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I find imprinting most disturbing because it basically removes the werewolf's free will. They have to be this devoted manic for the other person, for no good reason at all.

I'm now thinking of writing a fanfiction where a guy imprints on someone they hate and goes mad because it, resulting in his body forming a seperate personaity, driving his to a corner of his mind, and then he basically is a prisoner, watching his own body serve someone he detests.
The idea is that they imprint on someone who's 100% perfect for them no matter what, so it would be factually inaccurate.
Doesn't meathey know they are 100% perfect for them. They may be the perfect couple in theory, doesn't mean they have to like each other.
I believe this was sort of touched on. I mean, Jacob was super protective of Bella's baby without knowing or understanding why. He was just compelled to save it because he'd imprint on it once it was born, but at the time didn't know that.

The wolfpack leader, Sam, dropped his girl like a sack of rocks once he imprinted, even though he didn't know the girl at all and was quite keen on his girlfriend. The author basically makes them madly in love (or super platonically in love, for the kids) once they imprint.
So it's basically just another poor plot device verging on the level of Deus ex Machina to get Jacob out of the picture. I see.

I still wonder what happens when they hate each other beforehand though.

But I generally have a problem with the idea of soulmates, considering how human nature isn't set and all...
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So it's basically just another poor plot device verging on the level of Deus ex Machina to get Jacob out of the picture. I see.

I still wonder what happens when they hate each other beforehand though.

But I generally have a problem with the idea of soulmates, considering how human nature isn't set and all...
Bascially, yes. Meyer actually made Jacob more of a d-bag when Edward came back, because she's done such a good job making him seem awesome that Bella going back to Edward wouldn't make sense. Extremely obvious stuff like that.

They'd probably just auto-love each other, since it's Twilight.
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So it's basically just another poor plot device verging on the level of Deus ex Machina to get Jacob out of the picture. I see.

I still wonder what happens when they hate each other beforehand though.

But I generally have a problem with the idea of soulmates, considering how human nature isn't set and all...
Bascially, yes. Meyer actually made Jacob more of a d-bag when Edward came back, because she's done such a good job making him seem awesome that Bella going back to Edward wouldn't make sense. Extremely obvious stuff like that.

They'd probably just auto-love each other, since it's Twilight.
My idea for the fanfic was to have someone go mad from the pressure of fighting this basic law of their world, basically.

I was actually on Team Edward untill Edward came back, on the grounds that Jacob was too nice a guy to be paired with Bella. Then he came back and it all went to pot.
And I still think Alice has more subtext for her relationship with Bella, but I see lesbians everywhere. It's what happens when your major fandom is Azumanga Daioh.
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So it's basically just another poor plot device verging on the level of Deus ex Machina to get Jacob out of the picture. I see.

I still wonder what happens when they hate each other beforehand though.

But I generally have a problem with the idea of soulmates, considering how human nature isn't set and all...
Bascially, yes. Meyer actually made Jacob more of a d-bag when Edward came back, because she's done such a good job making him seem awesome that Bella going back to Edward wouldn't make sense. Extremely obvious stuff like that.

They'd probably just auto-love each other, since it's Twilight.
My idea for the fanfic was to have someone go mad from the pressure of fighting this basic law of their world, basically.

I was actually on Team Edward untill Edward came back, on the grounds that Jacob was too nice a guy to be paired with Bella. Then he came back and it all went to pot.
And I still think Alice has more subtext for her relationship with Bella, but I see lesbians everywhere. It's what happens when your major fandom is Azumanga Daioh.
I'm not a Twilight fan, so I think the whole thing is ridiculous. Rosalie was my favorite, since she was just a self-centered b***h who liked cars, until she decided to SAAAVE BELLA'S BAAABYYYY because that's all women want in life obv.

And idk, anyone who had a relationship ever was MEANT TO BE TRUE LOOOOVE. Blah.
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So it's basically just another poor plot device verging on the level of Deus ex Machina to get Jacob out of the picture. I see.

I still wonder what happens when they hate each other beforehand though.

But I generally have a problem with the idea of soulmates, considering how human nature isn't set and all...
Bascially, yes. Meyer actually made Jacob more of a d-bag when Edward came back, because she's done such a good job making him seem awesome that Bella going back to Edward wouldn't make sense. Extremely obvious stuff like that.

They'd probably just auto-love each other, since it's Twilight.
My idea for the fanfic was to have someone go mad from the pressure of fighting this basic law of their world, basically.

I was actually on Team Edward untill Edward came back, on the grounds that Jacob was too nice a guy to be paired with Bella. Then he came back and it all went to pot.
And I still think Alice has more subtext for her relationship with Bella, but I see lesbians everywhere. It's what happens when your major fandom is Azumanga Daioh.
I'm not a Twilight fan, so I think the whole thing is ridiculous. Rosalie was my favorite, since she was just a self-centered b***h who liked cars, until she decided to SAAAVE BELLA'S BAAABYYYY because that's all women want in life obv.

And idk, anyone who had a relationship ever was MEANT TO BE TRUE LOOOOVE. Blah.
They really are stupid books.
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The way you put down men most of the time,


Example? I spend equal if not more time arguing with misandrist prudes.

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and pull your 'waah we womens gotta do XYZ jsut cuz you mens put us down'


Again, example?



All anyone has to do is look through your posting history GS. Your 'I'm a big, bad b***h with a gun because I have to be because men will just keep me down otherwise with their sexism' is WELL KNOWN to almost everyone in the ED. The only ones who don't know about it are those who are new to Gaia or new to the ED itself. But if I must go through your post history to provide proof of your own words, so be it.


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The Beauty series is well written, better than some of the garbage out there, but then like I said, the book consists mainly of males dominating females so I'm not surprised by your dislike of it.


The orientation has nothing to do with it (by the way, the third book of the series was LOADED with lesbianism and I still hated it). Annie's poor writing, rather curious theories on how sexual organs work, and complete rejection of logic turned me off.

By the way, if I was such a womyn advocate feminazi b***h, why would I enjoy The Secretary?



Reading comprehension isn't quite your forte anymore is it hun?

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I've actually heard this before. I think there was a facebook group on it or something... Who knows. Cool deal, but I'm just really sick of Twilight.
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http://screencrave.com/2009-11-11/twilights-bella-swan-is-a-feminists-nightmare/

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Plenty of vampire-werewolf angst will be hitting the big screen later this month when The Twilight Saga: New Moon debuts in theaters across the country. The stories, penned by author Stephenie Meyer, have resonated with teen girls everywhere who affectionately call themselves, Twihards. This article is written from the perspective of someone who wasn’t familiar with the books, but decided to give the film a chance, and was thoroughly turned off by everything it had to offer.

The protagonist Bella Swan, isn’t a positive representation of what any young girl should aspire to be. She has no identity of her own and is under the constant influence of the male figures in her life. That type of nonchalant attitude towards her manipulation isn’t something that should be projected, especially to women in her age group who are starting to date for the first time.

Here’s the problem with Twilight…

Bella Constantly Needs a Male Figure in Her Life.

First Bella lives with her dad, then she becomes immediately infatuated with Edward and from then on, the vampire occupies her thoughts. In New Moon when he takes a leave of absence what’s a girl to do? Find something in them self? NO! Find another man! Enter Jacob, another troubled male figure who helps her cope with her loss and then leaves her hanging. Whatever happened to sitting down and having some me time?

Bella and Edward’s Double Standard

In Twilight, Edward is pretty much a stalker. He lurks in the shadows and follows Bella’s every move and even goes as far as watching her sleep. For some odd reason that’s considered sexy and dangerous, but in a good way. If the roles were reversed and a woman did that, she would immediately be labeled as a psycho, and the men in the white coats would come after her, but for some odd reason when Edward does it, it’s “romantic.”

Bella is a Shell of a Human Being.

She has no identity of her own, and literally loses her mind without the constant influence of vampire boy. At the end of Twilight, when Edward attempts to leave her in the hospital, she almost gives herself a stroke. Again in New Moon, when he tells her he has to go (because he’s a danger to her), she’s shown on the ground in the fetal position, looking a junkie whose about to kill herself. I get that they have a chemical bond, but they both exhibit actions towards one another that looks more like a drug addiction not a relationship. Hell, they can’t even have sex because of it, it sounds like they truly just need a fix. What kind of role model is that for 13-year-old girls who think that their crush on Johnny is exactly the same? It’s not okay!

Twilight Objectifies Women

Typically when you think of women being objectified in film it has to do with sex or nudity. In this case it has to do with both Edward and Jacob’s constant coddling of Bella. It’s as if she’s a fragile flower who always has to be protected. Both men make it their life’s work to keep her safe, even more than her own father does. Where’s her brain? Where’s her own sense of self?

This is Not a Healthy Relationship

Edward gets Bella to leave her family and friends to appease him, which eventually leads to marriage and a half vampire baby (which shouldn’t be possible since he’s dead)! It’s not OK for anyone, let alone a teenage girl to toss everything to the wind at a boyfriend’s request. It’s also not healthy for you to be drawn to someone who constantly reminds you that he wants to eat you for dinner. Bella really only connects with Edward on a chemical level, and their connection causes her to nearly kill herself multiple times over – that sounds more like meth than love to me.

Overall…

These are just a few of the major feminist issues with Stephenie Meyer’s leading lady. For something created by a woman directed at young women it’s sad to see so many negative characteristics in a female driven story. Bella isn’t a strong character and shouldn’t be revered for her behavior in these films. She’s nothing more than a shadow for a man rather than a pillar for herself and not only is that dangerous but it’s a discouraging message to send to girls.

Do you think Bella Swan is a bad influence for young women?


To be fair, I suggest seeing Twilight for Guys, which I find absolutely nothing wrong with.

Anyways, to be serious, it's also pretty racist. The thing about the Native American being a wolf person is straight from the Curse God put on Native Americans in the Book of Mormon. Then there's the cultish "protect the family's secrets". This is obviously a metaphor for staying in the cult.

Stephenies Myer has also donated ten percent of her income to the Church of Mormon, which fund anti-gay, and anti-abortion lobbies.


Yes she is. As both a woman and a writer, I was deeply offended by the caricatures in the series. Bella is this jelly boned retard who can't make a choice and the men in her life are these infatuated, stalker queerdos who believe high school romance is FOREVER. I didn't believe that s**t when I was in high school. This is being written by a grown woman and what's even more galling is that the upcoming generation of ginger-kickers and emos are being shaped by this pustulent hemorrhoid on the arse-end of the literary community. Gawd.

And vampires ******** sparkle.

THEY ******** SPARKLE.

Stephenie Myer needs to get AIDS and die. Quickly. Quietly.


I'm really mad at how they first, cropped off the hair of the Native American. Pretty sick.

And then made him a second-rate child molester. First Bella leaves him for Edward, and then Jacob accepts a one-year old in an arranged marriage. That is pretty sick.

The thing that bothers me most about it, is how in the Book of Mormon Native Americans are made less attractive by God (them and the white mormons are called theses archane names). So Bella is supposed to, for Racist Reasons, reject Jacob, and she does, and Edward forbids talking. And Jacobs ends up a thoughtless scum bag who marries a new born baby.

Really sick insult to Native Americans and Mexicans. Hey Stephenie Meyer, what about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8cCzltPD6Y&has_verified=1

You suck.


It's nice to know the racism and fanaticism that constantly dog America are being propagated in one of the most popular series of our day, isn't it?

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All anyone has to do is look through your posting history GS. Your 'I'm a big, bad b***h with a gun because I have to be because men will just keep me down otherwise with their sexism' is WELL KNOWN to almost everyone in the ED
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Your interpretation skills are fail, young jedi.

If you're talking about the thread I think you're talking about, I said that society and hell, NATURE favors masculine traits over feminine. That's the way it works. No point in calling it sexist at this point.

I neve ronce said "Grrr, the males r gonna keep me down" or anything to that effect. The Christians, maybe, but not males.
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The only ones who don't know about it are those who are new to Gaia or new to the ED itself. But if I must go through your post history to provide proof of your own words, so be it.


Bring it on, toots.
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GunsmithKitten
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The way you put down men most of the time,


Example? I spend equal if not more time arguing with misandrist prudes.

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and pull your 'waah we womens gotta do XYZ jsut cuz you mens put us down'


Again, example?



All anyone has to do is look through your posting history GS. Your 'I'm a big, bad b***h with a gun because I have to be because men will just keep me down otherwise with their sexism' is WELL KNOWN to almost everyone in the ED. The only ones who don't know about it are those who are new to Gaia or new to the ED itself. But if I must go through your post history to provide proof of your own words, so be it.


GunsmithKitten
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The Beauty series is well written, better than some of the garbage out there, but then like I said, the book consists mainly of males dominating females so I'm not surprised by your dislike of it.


The orientation has nothing to do with it (by the way, the third book of the series was LOADED with lesbianism and I still hated it). Annie's poor writing, rather curious theories on how sexual organs work, and complete rejection of logic turned me off.

By the way, if I was such a womyn advocate feminazi b***h, why would I enjoy The Secretary?



Reading comprehension isn't quite your forte anymore is it hun?


The Senator disproves of your actions to disprove GSK. You're putting yourself in the way of her /b/ tirade which is to both destroy 4chan and men. You are a valuable resource to Mars.
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Actually, female roles are valued. They are just not the roles you may want to be valued.


People know who Julius Caesar was. Does anyone even know the name, let alone see a statue in honor of the woman who raised him?

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Power and glory are overrated concepts.


Which is why history always forgets Julius Caesar, Alexander of Macedonia, William the Conquerer, Genghis Khan, JP Morgan, George S. Patton, Al Capone, Micheal Jordan, and others.

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They are both rarely accompanied by happiness.


Yea, all that money, control, power, influence, respect....absolutely heart wrenching. rolleyes

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Women may not always be in power, but they have traditionally lived lives full of more experience than men.


Get back to me when you've conquered the known world before the age of 30.





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Your claims that these things do not exist is in error. Men and women should be treated with respect as per their similar human conditions like feelings of pain, love, happiness, and their existence in society, but to claim they are the same in their roles in society is trying to make them the same.


Bu you forget that some roles are more valuable than others.

And guess which roles are more valued?

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Let women be female if they want to and respect them for those differences.


Again, if that's how they want to roll, fine, but they should at least know up front that the feminine roll is not the one that will lead to power and glory. If you want to be in the lesser role, go for it. Not all of us do.

You got a little something called society to convince first.


Indeed you do, which is why you emulate the values that they value. Hence why I'm sick of tired of being told to stop acting like a man WHEN ACTING LIKE A MAN IS HOW YOU FREAKING SUCCEED HERE!




GunsmithKitten
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Please stop trying to make women men.


******** THAT s**t! Masculine values are what's historically valued, so damn right we should act like them. Stop hamstringing!

You want to take the less appreciated road, fine, your call, but I have no intention to.



GunsmithKitten
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TL;DR, if women want to have rights that men have, then they should act like men to obtain those rights.


Said it better than I could.

And it's a final confirmation that humankind values masculinity far more than it values feminity, and similar for male/female roles.





Some mild examples of your 'Mens are ebils and trying to keep womens down, so I have to be a big, bad he-b***h to get anywhere and any woman who doesn't do this is beneath me' attitude.
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All anyone has to do is look through your posting history GS. Your 'I'm a big, bad b***h with a gun because I have to be because men will just keep me down otherwise with their sexism' is WELL KNOWN to almost everyone in the ED
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Your interpretation skills are fail, young jedi.

If you're talking about the thread I think you're talking about, I said that society and hell, NATURE favors masculine traits over feminine. That's the way it works. No point in calling it sexist at this point.

I neve ronce said "Grrr, the males r gonna keep me down" or anything to that effect. The Christians, maybe, but not males.
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The only ones who don't know about it are those who are new to Gaia or new to the ED itself. But if I must go through your post history to provide proof of your own words, so be it.


Bring it on, toots.



Gunsmith, you do it on a fairly regular basis. It's not a single thread. You go on about how you have to be like a man 'because men will put you down if you're not like them, and you put down women who are content to be feminine and submissive instead of he-bitches out to prove that they're big and bad. The way you come off when you start your rants, of which there have been many over the years, INCLUDING in the Lick my Boots threads before you left them, gives the impression that you have severe p***s envy, almost to the point where it comes off as a psychological issue.

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Some mild examples of your 'Mens are ebils and trying to keep womens down,


Yet in none of those examples do I say that.
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so I have to be a big, bad he-b***h to get anywhere and any woman who doesn't do this is beneath me' attitude.


Wow, I've seen cornfields with less strawmen than this.

You do have to be a bit of a big bad b***h, yes, but that's for success. That's nature. That's what society values RIGHT OR WRONG.

And the only women "beneath me" as you put it, are the ones who expect the same power and glory by NOT doing what's required or adopting the traits needed to attain it

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You go on about how you have to be like a man 'because men will put you down if you're not like them


Honey, nature it'self will do it. Not just males. Not just females for that matter.

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and you put down women who are content to be feminine and submissive instead of he-bitches out to prove that they're big and bad.


Only those who expect the same perks of being big and bad by not being big and bad.
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The way you come off when you start your rants, of which there have been many over the years, INCLUDING in the Lick my Boots threads before you left them, gives the impression that you have severe p***s envy, almost to the point where it comes off as a psychological issue.


Realizing that aggression and success drive works in human society is now a psychological issue?
Yeah. Shitty book is shitty. What do you want me to do about it?

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