The Abortion Debate

[Kata Samoes]

Drakmore the malice child

abortion is never resolvable so neither side will yeild

Sure it is. The woman gets a choice or not. We're debating that very concept with abortion.

[Aino Ailill]

chfbupers

I think abortion is a good thing, because it helps to keep the population growth rate down.

Even if that is true (which I'm not sure it is), it is hardly the most politic of reasons. This is a political issue, thus offending those who may be 'swing voters' (i.e. not strongly pulled towards either side) is unwise. In other words, your statement was crude.

As for how it keeps the population rate down, how many abortions are there compared to the amount of births?

[clearlyblind]

hello all... I came to check out the conversation

[Willypeet]

IfItWereOnlyThatSimple

Phrynia

IfItWereOnlyThatSimple

FogSage

IfItWereOnlyThatSimple

FogSage

Jesus effing Christ. I keep seeing the same damn thing and it's idiotic and sickening.

FETUSES ARE NOT CHILDREN, GODDAMMIT.

For you to say that the two are equal is like saying a marble is equal to a kitten. It's not ******** possible, not one bit.

How can something that is not aware of itself at all be equal to something that is? It's essentially comparing rocks to animals.

Except, animals have the capacity to learn from not only their own mistakes, but those of others. If a dog sees another dog jump off a cliff and not survive, that dog isn't going to jump off a cliff. Rocks can't do that, but people can. And a fetus, however underdeveloped it may be, is still a separate organism with its own DNA and, depending on your religious beliefs, a human soul. Or are we going to make poor peoples' fetuses extinct?

Fetuses, like dogs, cats, horses, cows, sheep, fish, and most of the animals of the world, are easily replaced. Killing off unwanted ones isn't going to make a damn bit of difference.

People, too, are easily replaced. If I were to rip out your guts right now, someone else would step up to the plate to debate against me. Tell me, sir, what is stopping me from doing so? (Ruling out, of course, the presumably vast differences between our current locations)

He is not infringing upon your rights nor your bodily domain. He is of no threat to you, and causing no harm to you. One cannot say the same for an unwanted fetus occupying a woman's body and using it for sustenance against her will.

I could make up rights that he is infringing on, and mental health-related issues that I may suffer as a result of him. However, the latter is nonetheless my fault for coming here and reading his posts, and the former is frankly laughable as I am a grown person who can take care of him/herself in such a situation.

Then show me what rights he is infringing on, rather than making yet another purposeless sarcastic comment and thinly veiled insult in lieu of any actual arguement.

Is he infringing on your bodily domain? Is he using your body physically against your will? Is the only way to make him stop to kill him? Much like a rape victim has every right to kill her rapist in self defense if that is the only way to stop him from using her body against her will, a woman who finds herself pregnant against her will has every right to abort if that is the only way to stop the fetus from using her body against her will.

That comparison being said, I find this comment troubling: "However, the latter is nonetheless my fault for coming here and reading his posts", mostly because its a thinly veiled way of saying "well its your fault for getting pregnant because you had sex and the contraception failed, so you'll just have to give birth as punishment for daring to do so." To me, that reminds me frighteningly of the attitude some people have towards rape victims - "well, its your fault for wearing that outfit/walking down that street alone/going on a date with that guy/looking at that person the wrong way - you were asking to be raped, so its your fault!".

[clearlyblind]

I think that abortion should stay legal, stay a choice of the mother. If somebody is against abortion, that's their opinion, they can choose not to take part in it. But if others believe they should be able to have an abortion, it should be available.

[loveltstone]

i guess abortions can be good and bad in a way,but why is this thread so long?

[clearlyblind]

loveltstone

i guess abortions can be good and bad in a way,but why is this thread so long?

it's supposed to be, that's why it's called extended discussion

[RedRoseSpiral]

loveltstone

i guess abortions can be good and bad in a way,but why is this thread so long?

The thread is so long because not all people agree with your statement and many of those people want to force their morals onto others instead of letting them choose what is right for themselves.

[loveltstone]

clearlyblind

loveltstone

i guess abortions can be good and bad in a way,but why is this thread so long?

it's supposed to be, that's why it's called extended discussion

i know and i think that abortions are good thing to talk about, but don't we have other things to worry about other then abortions(that comment wasn' t mean was it, cause lots of time i say comments and people yell at me and i'm like "sorry didn't now that comment was offending)

[clearlyblind]

RedRoseSpiral

loveltstone

i guess abortions can be good and bad in a way,but why is this thread so long?

The thread is so long because not all people agree with your statement and many of those people want to force their morals onto others instead of letting them choose what is right for themselves.

well said, haha.

[loveltstone]

RedRoseSpiral

loveltstone

i guess abortions can be good and bad in a way,but why is this thread so long?

The thread is so long because not all people agree with your statement and many of those people want to force their morals onto others instead of letting them choose what is right for themselves.

hmm makes sense xP

[loveltstone]

clearlyblind

RedRoseSpiral

loveltstone

i guess abortions can be good and bad in a way,but why is this thread so long?

The thread is so long because not all people agree with your statement and many of those people want to force their morals onto others instead of letting them choose what is right for themselves.

well said, haha.

lol true

[loveltstone]

well still abortions can be good and can be bad in a way.

[clearlyblind]

Yeah, they're bad because people can use it as a way to just get rid of an unwanted pregnancy but then they can also help in the case of rape or health issues

[Aino Ailill]

loveltstone

clearlyblind

loveltstone

i guess abortions can be good and bad in a way,but why is this thread so long?

it's supposed to be, that's why it's called extended discussion

i know and i think that abortions are good thing to talk about, but don't we have other things to worry about other then abortions(that comment wasn' t mean was it, cause lots of time i say comments and people yell at me and i'm like "sorry didn't now that comment was offending)

Why yes, we do have other things to worry about. Thus why there are multiple other threads on various topics. You may discuss the legality of gun ownership to what you would do if a zombie cam to your area, whether Gnosticism should be considered a valid religion to the morality of incestuous relations.