The Abortion Debate

[Articlion]

[I am teh Haruka]

Articlion

Thankyou, If you can't handle having a child, then why not give it up for adoption.

And you think you can trust a woman being forced to have a baby?

She'd probably consume a ton of alcohol while pregnant messing that baby up.

Articlion

If people are so hell bent on saving the world by not having kids, why don't they themselves adopt.

What does abortion have to do with adopting kids?

Maybe at present time they don't want a kid but in the future they might want one?

Articlion

If killing isn't murder,

That contradicts itself.

Articlion

fine, but its still very much unnatural. Humans weren't given the natural ability to abort babies, even still, when animals do it, its strictly for survival. Its not killing it because of irresponsibiliy.

Miscarriages?

It doesnt contradict itself, because they pointed out earlier, having abortion isn't murder, but agreed that it is still killing.

[Nethilia]

Articlion

Thankyou, If you can't handle having a child, then why not give it up for adoption.

Because I don't want to be pregnant. Tell you what. I'll take the fetus out, put it in a baby food jar, and adopt it out. First, lets take it out and...oh, snap. It died. so much for that.

I really wish you and those like you would realize that adoption does nothing for a woman who does not want to be pregnant at all.

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If people are so hell bent on saving the world by not having kids, why don't they themselves adopt.

...Because they don't want children AT ALL. Many people never want to have any offspring, regardless of if they'll raise them or not.

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If killing isn't murder, fine, but its still very much unnatural.

So are eyeglasses and typing on a computer to send messages. Meanwhile, cancer and infanticide is pretty natural.

Abortion has been around ever since someone figured out that a certain combination of herbs caused abortion. The medical term for a "miscarriage"? spontaneous abortion.

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Humans weren't given the natural ability to abort babies, even still, when animals do it, its strictly for survival. Its not killing it because of irresponsibiliy.

Actually, they were. Herbs, an overdose of vitamin C--all that can cause an abortion. You can do it with teas. Many spontaneous abortions occur before the woman even knows she's pregnant; the zygote does not sucessfully stop her cycle and is flushed out with the menstrual blood. I've probably killed...oh...10 "babies" that way, when I had a few late periods.

Resonsibility, contrary to your belief, is not defined as "What I think you should do because I know better than you about your life."It is looking at everything and deciding what is best. And in many cases, what is best is abortion.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Articlion

If she didn't want to be pregnant, she should have taken the nessacary percautions.

Condoms break and pills may not work.

Every birth control can fail.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Articlion

It doesnt contradict itself, because they pointed out earlier, having abortion isn't murder, but agreed that it is still killing.

The main point of pregnancy is to end it. The fetus dies because it can't survive on it's own.

EDIT: So I don't see it as killing, just ending a pregnancy. It's not our fault that the fetus can't survive without it's host.

[Nethilia]

Articlion

If she didn't want to be pregnant, she should have taken the nessacary percautions.

If you didn't want to get cancer, you should have taken the necessary precautions. No chemo for you.

If you didn't want to need heart surgery, you should have taken the necessary precautions. No open heart surgery for you.

If you didn't want to bleed out and die on the sidewalk after a car accident, you should have taken the necessary precautions. No emergency accident care for you.

If you didn't want your wife and fetus to die giving birth, you should have taken the necessary precautions. No caesarian for you.

Medicine is not given out to people based on if they took all the necessary precautions.

[pidgezero_one]

Articlion

Not all fetuses are going to kill you. You don't even let that chance occur, you kill them immediatly. There are special cases where women have their life in an immediate threat. At that time, then I think most, even biblical people will say yes, it is okay with the women to abort the child to specifcally save the mothers life. To say that all fetusis are putting your life at risk, well, everything you do puts your life at risk.

I bet at least one of you who has used this arguement, Smokes. Drinks. Has open sex with multiple potentially diseased people. You can't hold arguements with one thing and not the other. Im sure more people have died from Cigarettes, poor eating diets and alchohol, then they have from bearing children.

I'm still a virgin who has never smoked and hasn't tasted a lick of alcohol since she was 3 years old and took a tiny sip of beer to decide she didn't like it. (Aside from the watered-down Communion wine.)

But guess what? I'm also 100% supportive of rehabilitation for smokers and drinkers. Even if they got themselves into it, they might as well have a way out. Just like with abortion.

[TPauSilver]

Articlion

Thankyou, If you can't handle having a child, then why not give it up for adoption.

BEcause the adoption system is already crowded with children, every fresh white baby I provide is a potentiall for some kid who needs a home who now won't get one because they have my baby instead, adoption depending on the mental state of the child and how they're raised can be very troublesom to a child and on a more selfish note I don't want some confused kid turning up on my doorstep 18 years later wanting to call me mummy. I would tell them to ******** of, which isn't nice. I had a friend who was adopted, got in touch with her biological mother and her mother told her neither she nor her father ever wanted her, it's not fun.

Articlion

If people are so hell bent on saving the world by not having kids, why don't they themselves adopt.

Because I'd be a ******** awful mother. If people are to hell bent on saving the world by making me give birth to every fetus that catches the inside of my uterus why don't they adopt?

Articlion

If killing isn't murder, fine, but its still very much unnatural. Humans weren't given the natural ability to abort babies, even still, when animals do it, its strictly for survival. Its not killing it because of irresponsibiliy.

I smell a naturalistic falacy. Natural=/=good, unnatural=/=bad. You know what's unnatural, medican technology. You know what is natural, rape! So obviously we should throw away modern menicine and decriminalise rape.
Furthermore, in studies of tribes that remained isolated untill fairly recently it has been shown that women keep on averge a 4 year birth gap, they do this through the natural contraceptives given by breast feeding, infanticide and abortion. Yes, the most 'primative' and therefore 'natural' women in the world abort because they're not ready for another baby yet. If they tried, the probably could care for both, life would be fucing hard, but they could...but they don't.
Most women don't have abortions becasue pregnancy doesn't match their handbag, they have real genine reasons. Most women can give at least 3 reasons why they're choosing to abort. It isn't irresponsibility, in some cases it's the most responsible thing. I mean, what's more responsible, having a baby you have no capability or intention to care for and just expecting other people to take care of it or not having that baby. On the news in the UK last week a mother abandoned her baby in a garden less then 24 hours after it was born, it could easily have died in this weather, is that perfreable to abortion?

[Nethilia]

Articlion

It doesnt contradict itself, because they pointed out earlier, having abortion isn't murder, but agreed that it is still killing.

Washing your hands is killing millions of bacteria. Eating food is killing plants and animals. Breathing is destroying microbes in your immune system.

[Shadow__Dweller]

I'd say I fall into the category Pro-Choice buts.
Personally I would hate to have an abortion because I would feel very guilty at taking away a life but I think it depends on the circumstances...as mentioned in the first post, like rape etc...

I believe that abortions should take places BEFORE the baby has developed, within the first 6 weeks...

I believe that pregnancies should always be planned...everyone should have safe sex, it's a very simple thing to do and people are just too lazy and careless no matter how much they are warned...birth control can fail...and that's understandable, but there are too many people who don't even use condoms or pills.

[Articlion]

Beatrix the catgirl

Articlion

If she didn't want to be pregnant, she should have taken the nessacary percautions.

Guess what? I was on BIRTH CONTROL when I got pregnant. There is no 100% effective contraception against pregnancy.

Then you should have used a condom with birth control, along with spermacides, and a cervix wall. IF your going to use contraceptives, don't use them half assed.

Your still irresponsible.

[Beatrix the catgirl]

EndlessDark

I'd say I fall into the category Pro-Choice buts.
Personally I would hate to have an abortion because I would feel very guilty at taking away a life but I think it depends on the circumstances...as mentioned in the first post, like rape etc...

I believe that abortions should take places BEFORE the baby has developed, within the first 6 weeks...

I believe that pregnancies should always be planned...everyone should have safe sex, it's a very simple thing to do and people are just too lazy and careless no matter how much they are warned...birth control can fail...and that's understandable, but there are too many people who don't even use condoms or pills.

Many women do not know they are pregnant before the first six weeks. When I found out I was pregnant, I was already over two months along.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

EndlessDark

I'd say I fall into the category Pro-Choice buts.
Personally I would hate to have an abortion because I would feel very guilty at taking away a life but I think it depends on the circumstances...as mentioned in the first post, like rape etc...

I believe that abortions should take places BEFORE the baby has developed, within the first 6 weeks...

I believe that pregnancies should always be planned...everyone should have safe sex, it's a very simple thing to do and people are just too lazy and careless no matter how much they are warned...birth control can fail...and that's understandable, but there are too many people who don't even use condoms or pills.

Most people who abort did use some kind of birth control.

Abortions are legal in the first trimester when the fetus has no cerebral cortex.

[Articlion]

EndlessDark

I'd say I fall into the category Pro-Choice buts.
Personally I would hate to have an abortion because I would feel very guilty at taking away a life but I think it depends on the circumstances...as mentioned in the first post, like rape etc...

I believe that abortions should take places BEFORE the baby has developed, within the first 6 weeks...

I believe that pregnancies should always be planned...everyone should have safe sex, it's a very simple thing to do and people are just too lazy and careless no matter how much they are warned...birth control can fail...and that's understandable, but there are too many people who don't even use condoms or pills.

Thank you for the backing of the birthcontrol. However, I do disagree with you on rape to some degree. That child still has the right to live, he can still be a good wonderful child whome you could still love. Just because it's not with the man you had intended, doesn't mean you should damn the baby.

[Beatrix the catgirl]

Articlion

Beatrix the catgirl

Articlion

If she didn't want to be pregnant, she should have taken the nessacary percautions.

Guess what? I was on BIRTH CONTROL when I got pregnant. There is no 100% effective contraception against pregnancy.

Then you should have used a condom with birth control, along with spermacides, and a cervix wall. IF your going to use contraceptives, don't use them half assed.

Your still irresponsible.

That still does not add up too 100% effective.

And again, responsibility is not defined as to what YOU think is reponsible for others.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Articlion

Beatrix the catgirl

Articlion

If she didn't want to be pregnant, she should have taken the nessacary percautions.

Guess what? I was on BIRTH CONTROL when I got pregnant. There is no 100% effective contraception against pregnancy.

Then you should have used a condom with birth control, along with spermacides, and a cervix wall. IF your going to use contraceptives, don't use them half assed.

Your still irresponsible.

She wasn't irresponsible, stop ASSuming things about other people when you don't even know them.

What you think is "irresponsible" is just your opinion anyway.