The Abortion Debate

[Hotaru-Neko]

Are you serious wolfqueen? first having sex KNOWING you don't want a child, then KILLING it before it even has a chance to live, then having the disrespect of pretending it never exsisted? wow..

And I respect human life at ALL its levels. a fertilized egg is not the same as a sperm cell or an egg cell.. it IS alive. Even if it is dependant on the mother inside of her, when the child is born into teh world, it continues to be dependant on it's mother.

Silver: no acutally, That would be a silly reason to change my view, especially since I could have to deal with this one day, though I doubt I will. it's because I have morals and like I said before I have respect for human life. surprised I also belive the "right to choose"... doesn't, under most circumstances, supersede a human's right to life.

And I read a few of the stories and people are acting like babies are the end of their life and abortion is the only option.

My mom had me when she was 16. She knew her life wouldn't go well and even though she knew everyone would be mad, she KEPT me. and her own mom took care of me. I'm very happy and living a very great life, she's very happy, and nobody had to die because of bad circimstances. I understand not everyone is willing to take in a child, but their is ALWAYS someone out their willing to take a child if the situation for it isn't ideal.

[ShadowIce]

Hotaru-Neko

Seeing posts after posts like these make me lose faith in mankind. -_-

It makes you lose faith in mankind to see people with different views than your's, views that you previously held?

That's not very nice. neutral

Hotaru-Neko

Anywho, I'm pro-life and very proud of it. I've been that way for only a year, and before that i was very much pro-choice untill I started to go out with my b/f...

Then you should understand what it is to be pro-choice and why people are pro-choice.

Hotaru-Neko

I leared a lot of things that made me very inbetween because I couldnt' exactly say I was pro-life.. about a month later I did a 6 minute speech on abortion. I picked up this little book that gave both sides of the fight.. and thats when I truely relized how terrible it was. These where the raw facts from both sides and some of those stories made me cry for days.

All right then, how about you give us these facts? Show us what made you change your mind. Don't just bash us for being what you admitted you once where.

Hotaru-Neko

I couldn't belive I ever supported pro-choice, especially after seeing stuff on gaia.. everyone seems so proud about being able to killing their own children.. it's sick.

There are no children in legal abortion (in my opinion and in the eyes of the law). There are merely bunches of cells that may one day grow into a person.

[albino_butterfly1212]

I think that abortion is bad, but is the teenager or whoever is raped then they should have a choice.

[ShadowIce]

albino_butterfly1212

I think that abortion is bad, but is the teenager or whoever is raped then they should have a choice.

Just teenagers or people who are raped? No one else? Care to elaborate on why?

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Hotaru-Neko

Are you serious wolfqueen? first having sex KNOWING you don't want a child, then KILLING it before it even has a chance to live, then having the disrespect of pretending it never exsisted? wow..

Disrespect?

I'm sorry but many people want women to look down on the abortions they get. Maybe that is why she pretended it never happened?

Besides, the purpose of an abortion is to terminate the pregnancy. The fetus dying because of it is what happens because the fetus can't survive with a host!

Hotaru-Neko

And I respect human life at ALL its levels. a fertilized egg is not the same as a sperm cell or an egg cell.. it IS alive. Even if it is dependant on the mother inside of her, when the child is born into teh world, it continues to be dependant on it's mother.

After it's born, the child isn't dependent on it's mother. It's dependent on anyone that will be willing to take care of it.

Hotaru-Neko

Silver: no acutally, That would be a silly reason to change my view, especially since I could have to deal with this one day, though I doubt I will. it's because I have morals and like I said before I have respect for human life. surprised

Are you saying that just because some of us are pro-choice we don't have morals and we don't respect human life?

Morals is a subjective thing. Your morals are not my morals and my morals are not yours. Only the person can decide what they are.

Hotaru-Neko

I also belive the "right to choose"... doesn't, under most circumstances, supersede a human's right to life.

Explain this to me?

Hotaru-Neko

And I read a few of the stories and people are acting like babies are the end of their life and abortion is the only option.

Not everyone likes kids.

Not everyone wants kids.

Not everyone is going to have kids.

Hotaru-Neko

My mom had me when she was 16. She knew her life wouldn't go well and even though she knew everyone would be mad, she KEPT me. and her own mom took care of me. I'm very happy and living a very great life, she's very happy, and nobody had to die because of bad circimstances. I understand not everyone is willing to take in a child, but their is ALWAYS someone out their willing to take a child if the situation for it isn't ideal.

If they want a child so bad, then they can adopt one from those adoption centers. I hope you know that there are many children that never get adopted out.

[pidgezero_one]

Hotaru-Neko

Are you serious wolfqueen? first having sex KNOWING you don't want a child, then KILLING it before it even has a chance to live, then having the disrespect of pretending it never exsisted? wow..

Alright, so not everyone has the same morals as you. did you expect otherwise? o_o

Hotaru-Neko

And I respect human life at ALL its levels.

And I respect human life to the point where I do not believe it has to be pushed out of other unwilling human lives.

Hotaru-Neko

a fertilized egg is not the same as a sperm cell or an egg cell.. it IS alive.

Did you read the entire front page? x_x Sperm and egg cells ARE biologically human, they ARE alive. A fetus doesn't magically come alive from dead cells.

Hotaru-Neko

Even if it is dependant on the mother inside of her, when the child is born into teh world, it continues to be dependant on it's mother.

Not if it goes up for adoption. And even if not, it's dependent in a different way; one that doesn't infringe on any laws or anyone else's body.

Hotaru-Neko

it's because I have morals and like I said before I have respect for human life. surprised

We all have morals. They may not be the same as yours, but that does not dismiss them as a lack of morals at all.

Hotaru-Neko

I also belive the "right to choose"... doesn't, under most circumstances, supersede a human's right to life.

What about those people here that don't believe life is a 'right'? Does a fetus even have any rights? It doesn't in legal terms, since it's not even a person yet.

Hotaru-Neko

And I read a few of the stories and people are acting like babies are the end of their life and abortion is the only option.

Well, sometimes it is. Ectopic(sp?) pregnancies are life-threatening, and the mother msot likely will die if she doesn't get an abortion.

Hotaru-Neko

My mom had me when she was 16. She knew her life wouldn't go well and even though she knew everyone would be mad, she KEPT me. and her own mom took care of me.

Not everyone has people that would do that for them, though.

Hotaru-Neko

I'm very happy and living a very great life, she's very happy, and nobody had to die because of bad circimstances. I understand not everyone is willing to take in a child, but their is ALWAYS someone out their willing to take a child if the situation for it isn't ideal.

Not for the hundreds of thousands of kids waiting for a home.

[Mistress DragonFlame]

Hotaru-Neko

Are you serious wolfqueen? first having sex KNOWING you don't want a child, then KILLING it before it even has a chance to live, then having the disrespect of pretending it never exsisted? wow..

Disrespect? Disrespect for what? A clump of cells that were sucking my blood without my permission, causing bodily harm and threatining my very life?

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And I respect human life at ALL its levels. a fertilized egg is not the same as a sperm cell or an egg cell.. it IS alive. Even if it is dependant on the mother inside of her, when the child is born into teh world, it continues to be dependant on it's mother.

Ok. Good for you. Why should I be subjected to the same views as you?

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Silver: no acutally, That would be a silly reason to change my view, especially since I could have to deal with this one day, though I doubt I will. it's because I have morals and like I said before I have respect for human life. surprised I also belive the "right to choose"... doesn't, under most circumstances, supersede a human's right to life.

The right to life is only for born people, and even if the fetus got the same rights, its rights do NOT over-lap the mothers.

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And I read a few of the stories and people are acting like babies are the end of their life and abortion is the only option.

If having the fetus will kill me, it IS the end of my life.

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My mom had me when she was 16. She knew her life wouldn't go well and even though she knew everyone would be mad, she KEPT me. and her own mom took care of me. I'm very happy and living a very great life, she's very happy, and nobody had to die because of bad circimstances. I understand not everyone is willing to take in a child, but their is ALWAYS someone out their willing to take a child if the situation for it isn't ideal.

Good for you mother. My mom gave birth to my brother when she was 17. So what?

Actually, there is NOT always someone willing to take the child. What if it's a black/indian mix 8-year-old with down syndorm? You don't see many people willing to take those poor children.

[Nethilia]

albino_butterfly1212

I think that abortion is bad, but is the teenager or whoever is raped then they should have a choice.

Age doesn't make you capable of dealing with a pregnancy.

And there is no biological difference between a fetus conceived via rape and one concieved via consentual sex.

[Articlion]

Hotaru-Neko

Are you serious wolfqueen? first having sex KNOWING you don't want a child, then KILLING it before it even has a chance to live, then having the disrespect of pretending it never exsisted? wow..

And I respect human life at ALL its levels. a fertilized egg is not the same as a sperm cell or an egg cell.. it IS alive. Even if it is dependant on the mother inside of her, when the child is born into teh world, it continues to be dependant on it's mother.

Silver: no acutally, That would be a silly reason to change my view, especially since I could have to deal with this one day, though I doubt I will. it's because I have morals and like I said before I have respect for human life. surprised I also belive the "right to choose"... doesn't, under most circumstances, supersede a human's right to life.

And I read a few of the stories and people are acting like babies are the end of their life and abortion is the only option.

My mom had me when she was 16. She knew her life wouldn't go well and even though she knew everyone would be mad, she KEPT me. and her own mom took care of me. I'm very happy and living a very great life, she's very happy, and nobody had to die because of bad circimstances. I understand not everyone is willing to take in a child, but their is ALWAYS someone out their willing to take a child if the situation for it isn't ideal.

Thankyou, If you can't handle having a child, then why not give it up for adoption. If people are so hell bent on saving the world by not having kids, why don't they themselves adopt. If killing isn't murder, fine, but its still very much unnatural. Humans weren't given the natural ability to abort babies, even still, when animals do it, its strictly for survival. Its not killing it because of irresponsibiliy.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Articlion

Thankyou, If you can't handle having a child, then why not give it up for adoption.

And you think you can trust a woman being forced to have a baby?

She'd probably consume a ton of alcohol while pregnant messing that baby up.

Articlion

If people are so hell bent on saving the world by not having kids, why don't they themselves adopt.

What does abortion have to do with adopting kids?

Maybe at present time they don't want a kid but in the future they might want one?

Articlion

If killing isn't murder,

That contradicts itself.

Articlion

fine, but its still very much unnatural. Humans weren't given the natural ability to abort babies, even still, when animals do it, its strictly for survival. Its not killing it because of irresponsibiliy.

Miscarriages?

[Beatrix the catgirl]

Articlion

Hotaru-Neko

Are you serious wolfqueen? first having sex KNOWING you don't want a child, then KILLING it before it even has a chance to live, then having the disrespect of pretending it never exsisted? wow..

And I respect human life at ALL its levels. a fertilized egg is not the same as a sperm cell or an egg cell.. it IS alive. Even if it is dependant on the mother inside of her, when the child is born into teh world, it continues to be dependant on it's mother.

Silver: no acutally, That would be a silly reason to change my view, especially since I could have to deal with this one day, though I doubt I will. it's because I have morals and like I said before I have respect for human life. surprised I also belive the "right to choose"... doesn't, under most circumstances, supersede a human's right to life.

And I read a few of the stories and people are acting like babies are the end of their life and abortion is the only option.

My mom had me when she was 16. She knew her life wouldn't go well and even though she knew everyone would be mad, she KEPT me. and her own mom took care of me. I'm very happy and living a very great life, she's very happy, and nobody had to die because of bad circimstances. I understand not everyone is willing to take in a child, but their is ALWAYS someone out their willing to take a child if the situation for it isn't ideal.

Thankyou, If you can't handle having a child, then why not give it up for adoption. If people are so hell bent on saving the world by not having kids, why don't they themselves adopt. If killing isn't murder, fine, but its still very much unnatural. Humans weren't given the natural ability to abort babies, even still, when animals do it, its strictly for survival. Its not killing it because of irresponsibiliy.

Adoption solves unwanted PARENTING. It does nothing for the woman who does not want to be PREGNANT.

Do not confuse those two terms. They may look similar, but they arei n fact different.

And ever heard of miscarriage? It's a form of abortion. It's natural.

And irresponsibility is not defined by what YOU deem responsible.

Hi, let me introduce myself. I'm Beatrix, Moni mentioned me earlier. I'm pro-choice, and I'm a mother. I'm married, and I have a healthy sex life. And just because now that I have my child, and currently am not able to have anymore, that does not mean I will refrain from having sex.

If I have sex, and I get pregnant, I will abort. Why? Because I know I cannot support two children. That is me taking responsibility for my actions. It's just not the choice YOU would choose for me.

But, guess what? I decide for myself.

[Articlion]

Mistress DragonFlame

Hotaru-Neko

Are you serious wolfqueen? first having sex KNOWING you don't want a child, then KILLING it before it even has a chance to live, then having the disrespect of pretending it never exsisted? wow..

Disrespect? Disrespect for what? A clump of cells that were sucking my blood without my permission, causing bodily harm and threatining my very life?

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And I respect human life at ALL its levels. a fertilized egg is not the same as a sperm cell or an egg cell.. it IS alive. Even if it is dependant on the mother inside of her, when the child is born into teh world, it continues to be dependant on it's mother.

Ok. Good for you. Why should I be subjected to the same views as you?

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Silver: no acutally, That would be a silly reason to change my view, especially since I could have to deal with this one day, though I doubt I will. it's because I have morals and like I said before I have respect for human life. surprised I also belive the "right to choose"... doesn't, under most circumstances, supersede a human's right to life.

The right to life is only for born people, and even if the fetus got the same rights, its rights do NOT over-lap the mothers.

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And I read a few of the stories and people are acting like babies are the end of their life and abortion is the only option.

If having the fetus will kill me, it IS the end of my life.

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My mom had me when she was 16. She knew her life wouldn't go well and even though she knew everyone would be mad, she KEPT me. and her own mom took care of me. I'm very happy and living a very great life, she's very happy, and nobody had to die because of bad circimstances. I understand not everyone is willing to take in a child, but their is ALWAYS someone out their willing to take a child if the situation for it isn't ideal.

Good for you mother. My mom gave birth to my brother when she was 17. So what?

Actually, there is NOT always someone willing to take the child. What if it's a black/indian mix 8-year-old with down syndorm? You don't see many people willing to take those poor children.

Not all fetuses are going to kill you. You don't even let that chance occur, you kill them immediatly. There are special cases where women have their life in an immediate threat. At that time, then I think most, even biblical people will say yes, it is okay with the women to abort the child to specifcally save the mothers life. To say that all fetusis are putting your life at risk, well, everything you do puts your life at risk.

I bet at least one of you who has used this arguement, Smokes. Drinks. Has open sex with multiple potentially diseased people. You can't hold arguements with one thing and not the other. Im sure more people have died from Cigarettes, poor eating diets and alchohol, then they have from bearing children.

[Articlion]

Beatrix the catgirl

Articlion

Hotaru-Neko

Are you serious wolfqueen? first having sex KNOWING you don't want a child, then KILLING it before it even has a chance to live, then having the disrespect of pretending it never exsisted? wow..

And I respect human life at ALL its levels. a fertilized egg is not the same as a sperm cell or an egg cell.. it IS alive. Even if it is dependant on the mother inside of her, when the child is born into teh world, it continues to be dependant on it's mother.

Silver: no acutally, That would be a silly reason to change my view, especially since I could have to deal with this one day, though I doubt I will. it's because I have morals and like I said before I have respect for human life. surprised I also belive the "right to choose"... doesn't, under most circumstances, supersede a human's right to life.

And I read a few of the stories and people are acting like babies are the end of their life and abortion is the only option.

My mom had me when she was 16. She knew her life wouldn't go well and even though she knew everyone would be mad, she KEPT me. and her own mom took care of me. I'm very happy and living a very great life, she's very happy, and nobody had to die because of bad circimstances. I understand not everyone is willing to take in a child, but their is ALWAYS someone out their willing to take a child if the situation for it isn't ideal.

Thankyou, If you can't handle having a child, then why not give it up for adoption. If people are so hell bent on saving the world by not having kids, why don't they themselves adopt. If killing isn't murder, fine, but its still very much unnatural. Humans weren't given the natural ability to abort babies, even still, when animals do it, its strictly for survival. Its not killing it because of irresponsibiliy.

Adoption solves unwanted PARENTING. It does nothing for the woman who does not want to be PREGNANT.

Do not confuse those two terms. They may look similar, but they arei n fact different.

And ever heard of miscarriage? It's a form of abortion. It's natural.

And irresponsibility is not defined by what YOU deem responsible.

Hi, let me introduce myself. I'm Beatrix, Moni mentioned me earlier. I'm pro-choice, and I'm a mother. I'm married, and I have a healthy sex life. And just because now that I have my child, and currently am not able to have anymore, that does not mean I will refrain from having sex.

If I have sex, and I get pregnant, I will abort. Why? Because I know I cannot support two children. That is me taking responsibility for my actions. It's just not the choice YOU would choose for me.

But, guess what? I decide for myself.

If she didn't want to be pregnant, she should have taken the nessacary percautions.

[Beatrix the catgirl]

Articlion

If she didn't want to be pregnant, she should have taken the nessacary percautions.

Guess what? I was on BIRTH CONTROL when I got pregnant. There is no 100% effective contraception against pregnancy.

[CAPTAIN Plixy[Stix]]

Articlion

Not all fetuses are going to kill you. You don't even let that chance occur, you kill them immediatly.

The point of abortion is to terminate a pregnancy. It's not our fault that the fetus dies because it can't survive without it's host.

Articlion

There are special cases where women have their life in an immediate threat. At that time, then I think most, even biblical people will say yes, it is okay with the women to abort the child to specifcally save the mothers life. To say that all fetusis are putting your life at risk, well, everything you do puts your life at risk.

Every pregnancy has a risk of death. Pregnancy is riskier than say... riding your bike.

Articlion

I bet at least one of you who has used this arguement, Smokes. Drinks. Has open sex with multiple potentially diseased people. You can't hold arguements with one thing and not the other. Im sure more people have died from Cigarettes, poor eating diets and alchohol, then they have from bearing children.

And smoking has nothing to do with giving birth. Use another analogy.