Top Reasons Why You’ll Get Your a** Kicked in the WF

[Special Agent Nishin]

Nightmare1

[Nishin

No, it must be love. A girl and a boy who seem to be way too foward with or close to each other must be in love. I swear, it's the hormones.

Like Lock and Shock (*veinpop*), Ron and Hermione (oh, wait...), etc.

Stupid fangirls. And stupid "if you hug, you are a couple" people. I am sure it is the hormones.

Terrible things, aren't they?

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Speaking of which...

Reason number Poison Ivy:

Hormones do not drive your story. No one wants to see your horny little fourteen-year-old teenagers go at it like rabbits and marry and have kids and live happily ever after with their TRUE LOVE! (tm) in your annoying little wish fulfillment because you cannot get a date in real life. While it is possible in real life to date one person and decide s/he is "the one," (I seriously have met one person who never dated her husband, and they have been happily married for six years at the time), even those relationships have bumps, complications, and rocky moments. Your readers are sadists. They want to see your lovers suffer; none of this "everything works out perfectly" crud.

And unless you are going to take the time to explore the relationship, work on the lovers' flaws and complications, and make a few speedbumps, and actually take a chance to hurt your characters, do your reader a favor and use romance only as a sideplot.

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[Nematri]

[Nishin

Nightmare1

[Nishin

No, it must be love. A girl and a boy who seem to be way too foward with or close to each other must be in love. I swear, it's the hormones.

Like Lock and Shock (*veinpop*), Ron and Hermione (oh, wait...), etc.

Stupid fangirls. And stupid "if you hug, you are a couple" people. I am sure it is the hormones.

Terrible things, aren't they?

Urggggggggggg *shudders* Yeah.

Or just as bad: people who think you should pair up your characters based on...their physical appearance.

I've got two characters. They have been friends since childhood, and work together as adults; they're both straight men; one of them is happily married, the other one likes cruising bars and picking up women. Just a brief overview. ^_^ No potential for romance there, without going SERIOUSLY OOC.

Anyways...I get fangirls telling me I should yaoi them, based on the way they look confused Because one of them is a tall, muscular, tattooed badass biker-looking guy, and the other is comparatively small, skinny and mildly androgynous, said dumb fangirls go "OMG KAWAII UKE/SEME!"

I die a little inside.

[Nightmare1]

Nematri

Mm. Maybe I have a realistic outlook on relationships, or maybe (as teenagers often tell me) I'm just cynical...but I have my serious doubts about any couple (either real or in a novel) whose relationship never has a single bad day. It just doesn't ring true.

I have friends who I have seriously never argued with or gotten mad at (some of them, for years and still going strong. Friendly debates do not count), so I can see the possibility of a couple making it without an argument for a day in their lives. However, I have had days with those same friends where I did not want to be around them, talk to them, etc. or got into a "mood" that places a barrier that says "Keep away," (and I have had it happen the other way around), so we have had some "rough spots." We also do not agree on everything, which means we are not perfect, and neither is our relationship. Even "perfect" couples will have their "down" days (either that, or the "perfect" couple is a facade when behind the scenes, they cannot stand each other).

[Nematri]

Nightmare1

Nematri

Mm. Maybe I have a realistic outlook on relationships, or maybe (as teenagers often tell me) I'm just cynical...but I have my serious doubts about any couple (either real or in a novel) whose relationship never has a single bad day. It just doesn't ring true.

I have friends who I have seriously never argued with or gotten mad at (some of them, for years and still going strong. Friendly debates do not count), so I can see the possibility of a couple making it without an argument for a day in their lives. However, I have had days with those same friends where I did not want to be around them, talk to them, etc. or got into a "mood" that places a barrier that says "Keep away," (and I have had it happen the other way around), so we have had some "rough spots." We also do not agree on everything, which means we are not perfect, and neither is our relationship. Even "perfect" couples will have their "down" days (either that, or the "perfect" couple is a facade when behind the scenes, they cannot stand each other).

Yeah, I know what you mean. I had a friend who constantly prattled about how her boyfriend was perfect and amazing and they never argued or disagreed ever, and nothing ever went wrong for them, and I just remember thinking to myself "what are you trying to hide?"

[Special Agent Nishin]

Nematri

[Nishin

Nightmare1

[Nishin

No, it must be love. A girl and a boy who seem to be way too foward with or close to each other must be in love. I swear, it's the hormones.

Like Lock and Shock (*veinpop*), Ron and Hermione (oh, wait...), etc.

Stupid fangirls. And stupid "if you hug, you are a couple" people. I am sure it is the hormones.

Terrible things, aren't they?

Urggggggggggg *shudders* Yeah.

Or just as bad: people who think you should pair up your characters based on...their physical appearance.

I've got two characters. They have been friends since childhood, and work together as adults; they're both straight men; one of them is happily married, the other one likes cruising bars and picking up women. Just a brief overview. ^_^ No potential for romance there, without going SERIOUSLY OOC.

Anyways...I get fangirls telling me I should yaoi them, based on the way they look confused Because one of them is a tall, muscular, tattooed badass biker-looking guy, and the other is comparatively small, skinny and mildly androgynous, said dumb fangirls go "OMG KAWAII UKE/SEME!"

I die a little inside.

Y'know, I love people who say, "Add yaoi/yuri." My usual response: "I'm not writing literotica for you to wank off on." Peoples, there are distinct differences between yaoi/yuri and shonen/shojo-ai. Damn, the former is pron; the latter is just the love without the pornographic sex.

@Nightmare1: Yes, every relationship has at least one bad day. John, the uncle I adore and love even in death, and I have always gotten along. We were like that ideal father and daughter duo, if he were my father--adoptive or otherwise. We've had a few tiffs. I've had two exes, and I'll admit that I've gotten into many arguements with them, none of them leading to my breakup with them. I've not talked for a few weeks to my best friend (incidentally, my bff is NOT Jill) over something really stupid; it was so stupid, we both forgot what it was about.

[Nightmare1]

[Nishin

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Nematri: I have one character who knows he has only a few years to live, and swears never to fall in love because he does not want to hurt anyone when his time comes. He also dies a virgin. I can just imagine so many hormonal nitwits wanting to pair him with someone and have him lose said virginity (he is such a prude; that will never happen).

I also have a bunch of characters who really hate each other, and I can see the whole, "I hate you so much that I love you" thing coming into play in a sick, demented fangirl mind, especially if they are related. Which brings me to the next reason:

Reason number Fred and George:

Incest is not cool. Would you, as a person, look at your brother or sister, or mother or father, and decide that you love them oh-so-much-that-you-want-marry (or not)-and-have-babies-and-live-happily-ever-after? Chances are, no. So chances are (especially for you idiot fangirls) your characters do not either, and neither do canon siblings/parents/children/etc. Twincest is not cool either, so leave Fred and George alone.

Ixnay this if it is a cultural thing, i.e. the Egyptians often had rulers who were a married brother and sister.

[Special Agent Nishin]

Nightmare1

Reason number Fred and George:

Incest is not cool. Would you, as a person, look at your brother or sister, or mother or father, and decide that you love them oh-so-much-that-you-want-marry (or not)-and have babies-and-live-happily-ever-after? Chances are, no. So chances are (especially for you idiot fangirls) your characters do not either, and neither do canon siblings/parents/children/etc. Twincest is not cool either, so leave Fred and George alone.

Ixnay this if it is a cultural thing, i.e. the Egyptians often had rulers who were a married brother and sister.

Poor Fred and George...

Yes, back in the day, many a royal family members married each other to keep the bloodline pure.

[Nematri]

Nightmare1

[Nishin

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Nematri: I have one character who knows he has only a few years to live, and swears never to fall in love because he does not want to hurt anyone when his time comes. He also dies a virgin. I can just imagine so many hormonal nitwits wanting to pair him with someone and have him lose said virginity (he is such a prude; that will never happen).

I also have a bunch of characters who really hate each other, and I can see the whole, "I hate you so much that I love you" thing coming into play in a sick, demented fangirl mind, especially if they are related. Which brings me to the next reason:

Reason number Fred and George:

Incest is not cool. Would you, as a person, look at your brother or sister, or mother or father, and decide that you love them oh-so-much-that-you-want-marry (or not)-and have babies-and-live-happily-ever-after? Chances are, no. So chances are (especially for you idiot fangirls) your characters do not either, and neither do canon siblings/parents/children/etc. Twincest is not cool either, so leave Fred and George alone.

Ixnay this if it is a cultural thing, i.e. the Egyptians often had rulers who were a married brother and sister.

Warg yeah. I know what you mean. The objection I have to most of the pairings I get suggested are that the characters are of the wrong sexual orientation to pair up with each other (Veldrin is straight. He's married. Why would he want to date his male best friend from school, who is also straight, and rather distracted by that hot chick at the bar?) Sometimes, though, it's OOC even if the characters are of the right orientation. For example, my character Tsafein is actually gay, but he would be unlikely to enter into any of the silly fangirly-type pairings because 1) he's a bit pissed off at the notion of relationships at the moment (it's been a bad year for him) and 2) he's a rather dignified gentleman and wouldn't be seen dead acting all cutesy and silly in front of ANYONE.

And on the subject of Fred and George...
Ewwwww.
Fangirls find the ODDEST things "cute". When I was at school, I had a Harry Potter slash-fangirl friend. I actually heard things coming out of her mouth like "oh my God, incest is so adorable" and worse. O_o Like "wouldn't it be adorable if Snape slept with Harry?" (back at the time when Harry was only about 13 years old).
I hope...HOPE...that fangirls don't think this applies to real life. But one can never be sure...

[Special Agent Nishin]

Nematri

Nightmare1

[Nishin

Yay, enlightenment! We need confetti!

Whooo, started another page!!

*gives confetti and throws some herself*

Nematri: I have one character who knows he has only a few years to live, and swears never to fall in love because he does not want to hurt anyone when his time comes. He also dies a virgin. I can just imagine so many hormonal nitwits wanting to pair him with someone and have him lose said virginity (he is such a prude; that will never happen).

I also have a bunch of characters who really hate each other, and I can see the whole, "I hate you so much that I love you" thing coming into play in a sick, demented fangirl mind, especially if they are related. Which brings me to the next reason:

Reason number Fred and George:

Incest is not cool. Would you, as a person, look at your brother or sister, or mother or father, and decide that you love them oh-so-much-that-you-want-marry (or not)-and have babies-and-live-happily-ever-after? Chances are, no. So chances are (especially for you idiot fangirls) your characters do not either, and neither do canon siblings/parents/children/etc. Twincest is not cool either, so leave Fred and George alone.

Ixnay this if it is a cultural thing, i.e. the Egyptians often had rulers who were a married brother and sister.

Warg yeah. I know what you mean. The objection I have to most of the pairings I get suggested are that the characters are of the wrong sexual orientation to pair up with each other (Veldrin is straight. He's married. Why would he want to date his male best friend from school, who is also straight, and rather distracted by that hot chick at the bar?) Sometimes, though, it's OOC even if the characters are of the right orientation. For example, my character Tsafein is actually gay, but he would be unlikely to enter into any of the silly fangirly-type pairings because 1) he's a bit pissed off at the notion of relationships at the moment (it's been a bad year for him) and 2) he's a rather dignified gentleman and wouldn't be seen dead acting all cutesy and silly in front of ANYONE.

And on the subject of Fred and George...
Ewwwww.
Fangirls find the ODDEST things "cute". When I was at school, I had a Harry Potter slash-fangirl friend. I actually heard things coming out of her mouth like "oh my God, incest is so adorable" and worse. O_o Like "wouldn't it be adorable if Snape slept with Harry?" (back at the time when Harry was only about 13 years old).
I hope...HOPE...that fangirls don't think this applies to real life. But one can never be sure...

Makes me glad to not be one of those fangirls.

Though the "Wouldn't it be cute if Dumbledore raped Harry in his office?" would almost be somewhat natural because we all know the valuable plot significance of Dumbledore's homosexuality. ***** happen. rolleyes [/sarcasm]

[Nightmare1]

[Nishin

Poor Fred and George...

Yes, back in the day, many a royal family members married each other to keep the bloodline pure.

And every royal family in Europe are at least cousins because of said marriages.

Nematri: I can imagine a father/son pairing because they hate each other. >< I think I might write an alongside book called, "For the Fangirls" and write in explicit detail what pairings will never happen and why. ...That actually might be fun to write. ^^

As a friend of mine said, "Harry Potter fans ship everything. Kind of liks UPS."

[Nightmare1]

[Nishin

Makes me glad to not be one of those fangirls.

Though the "Wouldn't it be cute if Dumbledore raped Harry in his office?" would almost be somewhat natural because we all know the valuable plot significance of Dumbledore's homosexuality. ***** happen. rolleyes [/sarcasm]

Me too. I only ever ship canon. The only time I stray is if a couple does have potential in canon and in character to be that way. An example would be Emily and Bonejangles from Corpse Bride. I could, realistically, see them get together, even if in a playful, not-really-serious, friendly-with-a-touch-of-romance relationship. And so far, they are the only couple out of my fandoms that I found that could work like that while still following canon rules, which probably means I need to get out more, but hey.

And on rape...

Reason number who cares:

***** is not cute. I am sure that you, in real life, would be terrified and have nightmares and trauma if you, as a minor, were forced to have relations with someone older than you. Children's bodies are not developed, and it hurts them a lot more than an adult.

Rape is not cute either. You go get attacked in alley or have someone in your family molest you, tell us if it is still "cute" then.

In regards to ***** and rape, it needs to be handled carefully. There is nothing romantic about being forced under your will, and chances are, you are not going to fall in love with your rapist. If anything, you will need therapy, support, and may still very well suffer from nightmares, trauma, the court issues and police involvement, and those other nasty after effects that you seem to "forget" to write in.

[PrincessNeko]

Must quibble with you on the 3rd and 6th items on your list and let me know if this has been discussed.

On the 3rd one, I find that there are many writing critics on this forum who do not necessarily reply for the sake of "helping" anybody, what more a struggling writer. While I don't think that criticism should be held back, at the same time, criticisms can be done tactfully without going overboard on the insults. I suspect actually that many of these critics come on here to feel better about themselves by verbally wailing on somebody else's creative work.

On the 6th, I don't understand why you don't consider writing anime and manga as being worthy of being on this forum. Just as movies have screenwriters, manga/anime writers still rely on the written word to be created. In fact, it's generally vital to a production. Of course, if there is a subforum for writing scripts, I guess I haven't been paying enough attention.

[Heroes March]

PrincessNeko

Must quibble with you on the 3rd and 6th items on your list and let me know if this has been discussed.

On the 3rd one, I find that there are many writing critics on this forum who do not necessarily reply for the sake of "helping" anybody, what more a struggling writer. While I don't think that criticism should be held back, at the same time, criticisms can be done tactfully without going overboard on the insults. I suspect actually that many of these critics come on here to feel better about themselves by verbally wailing on somebody else's creative work.

People who reply with things like "That was ******** stupid" instead of "Oh, it needs plot revision here, etc." aren't likely true denizens of the WF. They're more the type that thinks posting increases the size of their ego p***s and as a result are not contributing anything because they're too absorbed in trying to be a badass. People who add critique, as long as they are helpful, can be harsh, yeah. I know I am, but it's for the good of the fledgling writers; if someone had told me how dumb my stories sounded 5 years ago, I would have revised them and started thinking about better ideas quicker. I had no one to give me honest critique. I needed brutality, but with learning.

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On the 6th, I don't understand why you don't consider writing anime and manga as being worthy of being on this forum. Just as movies have screenwriters, manga/anime writers still rely on the written word to be created. In fact, it's generally vital to a production. Of course, if there is a subforum for writing scripts, I guess I haven't been paying enough attention.

Because anime/manga is not it's own genre. Anime is a cartoon. Cartoons have screenwriters. Screenwriting is writing, but it's done on a very limited basis, just like a script. Scripts are scripts, no matter if they're sci-fi, fantasy, real life drama, comedy or anime. They are all written in the same style (character name, character quote, short scene description, character name, character quote, etc.). Calling it an "anime" story is like saying "I'm going to write a book with words, but I'm making it my own category even though it's written exactly like any other book!"

As far as manga goes, that too is a comic, and is nothing but storyboarding. You write what happens, you give it to your illustrator, the panels are drawn and the dialogue is put in the word bubbles. The actual writing for the story is limited, condensed, and in a script format. It is not it's own genre.

If you want to get critic or help on a story you are writing, just say "I came up with this idea for a manga storyline I'm working on. Here is the script." Saying "this is my anime story lol!!!" is going to make people laugh at you and pick you to hell for being a moron.

Also, more often than not, people who say that they are working on something for "an anime" don't realize that what they're writing is super crappy. Their characters sound like something preexisting, the plot is flat, and to take the cake away completely, they're under 18 and firmly believing that Japan is suddenly going to come to them and say "OMG, we haven't seen this before! Let's make an anime out of it! *publish*" Sorry, weeaboos, but it doesn't work that way.

[Nematri]

Nightmare1

[Nishin

Makes me glad to not be one of those fangirls.

Though the "Wouldn't it be cute if Dumbledore raped Harry in his office?" would almost be somewhat natural because we all know the valuable plot significance of Dumbledore's homosexuality. ***** happen. rolleyes [/sarcasm]

Me too. I only ever ship canon. The only time I stray is if a couple does have potential in canon and in character to be that way. An example would be Emily and Bonejangles from Corpse Bride. I could, realistically, see them get together, even if in a playful, not-really-serious, friendly-with-a-touch-of-romance relationship. And so far, they are the only couple out of my fandoms that I found that could work like that while still following canon rules, which probably means I need to get out more, but hey.

And on rape...

Reason number who cares:

***** is not cute. I am sure that you, in real life, would be terrified and have nightmares and trauma if you, as a minor, were forced to have relations with someone older than you. Children's bodies are not developed, and it hurts them a lot more than an adult.

Rape is not cute either. You go get attacked in alley or have someone in your family molest you, tell us if it is still "cute" then.

In regards to ***** and rape, it needs to be handled carefully. There is nothing romantic about being forced under your will, and chances are, you are not going to fall in love with your rapist. If anything, you will need therapy, support, and may still very well suffer from nightmares, trauma, the court issues and police involvement, and those other nasty after effects that you seem to "forget" to write in.

And, to add to this, the fact that the rapist character is "hawt" (this is what makes me retch so much about the average abusive "pairing" in dumb fanfictions) does not excuse it, make it okay, or make the victim character want it. I'm sick of hearing stupid fangirls say something like "in my fanfic, Snape rapes Harry! But it's okay, because Snape is so, like, hawt!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Er...rape is always rape, kiddies, no matter what the rapist's physical appearance is. Being "hawt" does not get the b*****d off the hook.

And, on a related note, where exactly did Rowling ever describe Snape as being hot? Granted, I haven't read any of the books after the Goblet of Fire, but I remember Rowling describing Snape as being a rather sallow, unhealthy-looking individual with a big nose and greasy hair. Not this uber-smexy bishie that all the fangirls seem to be imagining.

[C e r u l e a n]

PrincessNeko

On the 6th, I don't understand why you don't consider writing anime and manga as being worthy of being on this forum. Just as movies have screenwriters, manga/anime writers still rely on the written word to be created. In fact, it's generally vital to a production. Of course, if there is a subforum for writing scripts, I guess I haven't been paying enough attention.

And if you want more reason, you may check out the posts that starts on page 10.