MikarusGirl
Curiosity often grabs me by the tail so I went and did a little homework. I discovered that it is believed that King Arthur (mythological figure) was related to the Trojan Brutus, who was a slave (not Julius Caesar's cousin). That he sailed to Albion (England) and founded a line there. I also read that he fought a race of giants--the Firbolg--and vanquished them. Either way, we have a myth cycle that may have as its basis Greek and Roman legends.
If Arthur had Scandinavian blood, that would not have been surprising considering the fact that Norsemen had landed and even conquered parts of England and once there were hard to move.
Again, the historical Arthur might have been an Iron Age warlord, or the composite of several in fact. This does not diminish who he was or what he may have accomplished, because oral tradition (at least the way I see it) has its foundation in truth. Not to take away the craft of storytelling, because that's what I do in RL, but as a student of history, I cannot help but be cautious and even skeptical when the fantastic passes for scholarship.
Maybe it's me, but I'm far less interested in Arthur and his knights and far more interested in the women behind his throne (speaking from a fictional standpoint)--Guenivere (all three of them), Vivianne, Lady of the Lake; Morgause his aunt; and of course Morgaine, who tends to be viewed as the downfall of Camelot. I also have a soft spot for Mordred, the ultimate unwanted child/pawn. Was it really his destiny to slay his own father, or was he just a thread in a much larger tapestry?
One of my favorite novels based on the Arthurian legend is The Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley. Forget the wretched miniseries that broke my heart within the first ten minutes, the novel is much better and richer than any television series could be (though I do give it kudos for casting Anjelica Huston as Vivienne).
Fair enough, Mikarusgirl, but then again, there are a lot of secrets i figured that all 3 of the Immortal European Pantheons would mean to hide, even from the most well-researched and well-versed among us all, as for instance, i heard that if Aphrodite of Cyprus[Aeneas' immortal mum!] did end up traveling to France and England along with the Other Olympian Gods, i would be thinking that it was for more than just the reasons that would be listed in the Camp Half-Blood novels, themselves, as they may have something to do with the deeds of King Arthur Pendragon, who was said to be one of her descendants[if i heard right, Brutus of Britain was said to be a grandson or great-grandson of Aeneas of Troy, through one of Aeneas' Quatre-God children, either Ascanius himself or either one of the two Silvius' in question(It could be possible that both of them have existed!) but either way, it doesn't seem very clear to me on which of the two sons of Aeneas was Arthur descended from, through Brutus!] and i also heard that Artemis the Huntress may have even helped Brutus of Britain to settle there, which may go to explain further on how William Shakespeare may have mentioned such connections between the Immortal European Pantheons, before, because it turned out he was not the first person ever to connect all 3 of the pantheons[although his Plays showed that they have more common grounds than we give them credit for!] and i somehow even feel that they may have even given William Shakespeare Tri-Citizenship in their pantheons if he ever gained outright godhood[like it was said that King Arthur Pendragon wounded up as a Celtic God, but if so, considering his blood-line and how it had all 3 of the European Pantheons on it, he may have had gained the kind of honor most people may wind up killing for, as he would gain tri-pantheon citizenship, although i suspect that the leaders of all 3 pantheons may have had to get used to sharing King Arthur, if he did gain Godhood!]
Considering Arthur Pendragon's Scandinavian Blood, i believed that if i recalled what i mentioned about Arthur having to break up an argument between his 3 leading ancestors, the best-known rulers of all 3 of the European Immortal Pantheons, Lugh, Zeus[Aeneas was descended from Zeus, if i recalled right, through Dardanus, one of Hercules' half-brothers!] and Odin, it makes the outrightly impressive feat in helping to break up the kind of arguments the 3 may have on how to engage a common threat all the more impressive.
Considering how it was said that Arthur Pendragon may have been the name of several Warlords, i now wonder if years from now, we may hear of a fabled leader who may have been descended from an Olympian Demigod child of Poseidon who hailed from New York, except its more than just one person with such a claim and they still have to spill each other's blood or something like that, like in the case of all those Warlord Arthurs described.
Considering how the Riordans theorized that the flame of Olympus moves west[that theory may have been grounded in mystical fact, i feel, considering the Romans!] then if the flame moved to Britain and France, i figured that the Pendragon Blood-line may have had something to do with it, but still, i don't know how did the fact that the Celts were aware of Helen of Sparta managed to add up, because word could not just come around to the Celts just like that, so quickly, unless the Celtic Pantheon's factions were suddenly aware of it, so from what i figured, some of the descendants of the Trojan survivors must have not only came with Brutus of Britain[who was said to have Aeneas of Troy's blood in his veins, somewhere!] but were also trained by people who may have learned various arts and fighting talent and craft from Helen of Sparta[the scenario of Helen of Sparta able to fend for herself properly, of course, would come from a theory considered by Esther Friesner, the lady who wrote
Nobody's Princess and Nobody's Prize, which goes to explore Helen of Sparta's past, in-depth, during the time when finding out who would be half-mortal or not was a lot less easier than it is today, and even today, its still hard, but in the two novels done by Friesner, the novels would show Helen of Sparta learning to fight alongside her two brothers, Castor and Pollux(He's called Polydeuces in the two novels, though!) and i figured that once Helen wounded up in Troy, she had to help train some Trojan females to learn how to fend for themselves, as well as to learn more about the arts!] and these lessons Helen may have given the students who wounded up training their descendants must have passed on to the Celtic females along with females from Arthur's time, as i would suspect that they may have even been brought to Guinevere[maybe all 3 of them!] along with the various other females in Arthur's time, like Iseult of Ireland[it was either Ireland or Cornwall!] or the likes of Igraine, and other such females, as i suspected even the lady of Shallot may have learned such lessons, as well.
Who knows?
Maybe Morganna and Hecate may have been allied with each other, and so as a result, Morgan Le Fay may have trained under their lessons, and maybe King Arthur's family may have pondered matters of their lineage when it comes to how they may have been descended from the European Immortals of all the Pantheons, and maybe Merlin may have known more about the Pendragon blood-line's ancestry than what the original tales must have lead us to believe, and that the ridiculousness within the
Merlin t.v series is more justified than just by the fact that Arthur may have had Olympian Blood flowing in his veins[which makes it almost unreal, if it weren't for the fact that the Trojan Survivors did settle in more than just Italy, Sicily, Malta, and Sardinia, as they may have came to France and Britain, as well, which would explain the artwork that would often show Helen of Sparta in some of them!]
Either way, one thing i know for sure, is this:
By admitting the truth that King Arthur is meant to be Harry James Potter's spiritual ancestor, Old-Owl J.K Rowling[she looks like an owl, to me, either figuratively or literally, i wouldn't know which one!] essentially placed the Harry Potter Septimology under the risk of more scrutiny than i give it credit for, because some of us may believe that she is out to misuse such knowledge, which may or may not be the case, considering how Arthur and Merlin connected more than just the Potter-World and Camp Half-Blood, through in-direct means, mainly[plus Blood-lines when it comes to Camp Half-Blood!] through their deeds.
Susan Cooper wrote
The Dark Is Rising series, in which the first effort to make a decent movie out of the second novel in the series was just an insult not only to the Arthurian tales, but also to the Olympian tales of which King Arthur's ancestors hailed from, as well[in worse ways than
The Lightning Thief movie may ever do, if one must ask my instincts!] and i believe that from there, if
The Dark Is Rising series is meant to be half-canon at best, then the scenario of Bran Davies coming from the past, the exact kind of method wounded up repeated in
The Camp Half-Blood novels by Rick Riordan when it came to the Di Angelo Siblings, but i will not describe the exact method, because its in novels 3-5[
The Titan's Curse-The Last Olympian] and considering how their immortal parent would give a $hit as to what would happen to his two only known surviving half-mortal children, i suspect that King Arthur Pendragon did likewise with Bran Davies(spoilers for
The Dark Is Rising series[
he may also care about Mordred, in his own way, but he failed to protect either himself or Mordred, in any rate, which means that if T.D.I.R is even half-canon, Bran would be the last surviving child Arthur may ever expect to have, and it gets even worse, when you consider that Arthur may have decided to die with a Viking's funeral, but didn't make like the Olympian Gods among whom were some of his ancestors, which makes it more agonizing with the scenario, really!]
In any rate, when i go and re-read the
Percy Jackson And The Olympians novels, by Rick Riordan, not only would i never expect to look at the Olympian Gods the same way again[i got more awe-inspired by both Aphrodite and Artemis, and even more with Poseidon than i gave myself original credit for, after finding out about King Arthur!] especially when all of Percy's front-line induced moments against armies of monsters and other foes may be nearly reminiscent of King Arthur's front-line deeds, but also i would probably go to try to keep this sort of secret about King Arthur as safe as possible[and try to hope that Aphrodite's latter-day half-mortal children can fend for themselves somewhat better!] while also trying to calculate the scenario of what would be the next best thing to imagining if King Arthur was descended from Hades instead of Zeus.
Mikarusgirl, i feel that we are the only ones considering such scenarios, which is just bad on my part, because i failed to invite more people to this sort of thread.
