Right? Right now they lack that right. Of course, the response I usually get is something along the lines of, "They have the same right I do -- they can marry a person of the opposite sex. Durr hurr." To which my response is usually, "In which case, giving them the right to marry a person to whom they're actually sexually attracted to isn't them getting an extra right because you now have the right to marry someone of the same sex, too." And that should make 'em shut up, but somehow it doesn't.
I haven't actually ever been on NOM, but I know what you're talking about. My dad is one of those types of people, and I've heard him talking favorably about NOM before. But, man, I have a serious issue with conservative religion in general. Christians, Muslims, whatever. At least a lot of Christianity seems to be moving away from the traditionalist mindset. Even some of the more conservative types can be decent about the issue. Like Tony Campolo -- he's a preacher (I think) who thinks homosexual sex (the act itself, not the attraction or desire) is wrong, but he doesn't condemn gay Christians, and he actually educates himself on the whole thing since he admits that homosexuality isn't a choice and thinks it's ridiculous to treat it like it is. He's also open to people who disagree with him. Like his wife.
But that's one of the major things that bugs me -- the amount of people who try to claim a person's sexual orientation (as long as it differs from the heterosexual "norm" ) is a choice. Because it totes makes sense that people would choose to be something that will get them ostracized and ridiculed and possibly even killed.
On a brighter note, the CAPTCHA on this post is "know your rights." That amuses me.
You didn't sound dumb at all. c: In fact, I think it did connect back to what I was saying about "straight pride" being ignorance at its best. Some people -- like you said -- just don't know what it implies, and that's usually because they don't understand what gay pride is or why it's important.
I will never understand the people who believe that allowing other people to marry somehow infringes on their rights. Especially when they frame it as an issue where gay people being allowed to marry is somehow them having extra rights. Have you ever come across people saying that? It's baffling to me.
By the way, I found an interesting post on tumblr (I think it was tumblr, anyway) a while back and saved it to my computer. I can't remember whose site it was, and for some reason I didn't post it with a link, but here it is regardless because it's semi-relevant to why "straight pride" is a freaking joke:
You know why saying, “I hate straight people,” isn’t the same thing as saying, “I hate queer people?”
Because no one who says they hate straight people is trying to legally take away the rights of straight people.
Because no straight youth end up homeless just because of someone hating their sexual orientation.
Because no straight person has been murdered for being straight by someone who says, “I hate straight people.” But queer people are routinely murdered by people who say, “I hate queer people” (and this has been and continues to be in some places, the legally mandated response to learning someone is queer).
Because when queer people say they hate straight people, they’re often saying they hate the people who have abused, assaulted, bullied, and harassed them. But when straight people say they hate queer people, they’re saying they think queer people deserve to be abused, assaulted, bullied, and harassed.
Because oppressed folks expressing their anger and exhaustion at dealing with their oppressors is not the same thing as oppressors expressing their hatred of those they oppress.
THIS IS FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS REBLOGGED THAT ******** “THE ANSWER TO OPPRESSION IS NOT MORE OPPRESSION” POST.
Hatred is not oppression. Hatred is only a part of oppression. Until you have everything else that makes up oppression (like, say, legal lack of rights), then you aren’t ******** oppressed.
Oh, are you asexual? Huh. Me, too. Anyway, I agree. I do see the difference between pansexuality and bisexuality, and it's a shame that some people feel the need to invalidate another person's sexuality (or romantic orientation) because they don't understand it or whatever the case may be. Probably some of the problem is born of frustration. It would be nice if there were a more open dialogue between everyone concerning these issues.
I think they misunderstand because that's what "straight pride" would be, and so they assume gay pride is the same thing. But I agree -- gay pride is a way of standing in the face of oppression and letting the world know that it isn't going change or destroy you, and right now we do need that.
Yeah, at its best, "straight pride" is just utter ignorance as to what gay pride is and what it stand for, and at its worse... definitely homophobia.
Random comment (hope you don't mind) because I don't feel like adding to the debate in the thread in which you brought this up (I'm trying to avoid arguing with people who will do nothing but piss me off), but I just wanted to let you know that when you said this:
Heterophobia is not a real thing.
You are totally and completely correct. I mean, there are gay people who may hate (or be incredibly angry with) straight people as a class, but that's a lot different from homophobia which shows up as hatred of LGBT people as individuals. Homophobes will attack and/or ridicule individual people for the sole reason of their "failure" to conform to heteronormative standards, whereas you may find a gay person say something like "I hate straight people," but for the most part they will treat all individuals with respect (assuming those individuals respect them). And even if they don't, there's a huge difference between an individual hating a person because of their orientation and a whole freaking society hating a person because of their orientation.
"Heterophobia" is used in a similar way that people use "misandry" or "reverse racism" -- like a few individuals presenting anger or hatred for a class that has routinely oppressed and persecuted them is at all comparable to that systematic oppression and persecution. All are myths (in the sense that they're in any way similar to homophobia and misogyny and racism directed against minorites), but people (usually homophobes and misogynists and racists) love to throw those words (or the idea of those words, even if they don't actually use them) into a debate in order to try to make the person they're arguing with look like a hypocrite.
Kinda like that guy did to you.
So, basically, that was just my long-winded way of telling you that you are not a hypocrite, and I completely agree with you. xD