I have put my angelic sash quest on hold. I have stripped down my avi, some people are questioning why, and I felt there was a good reason to answer those people.
I WILL Still complete the million token quest. Too many people are interested in it, and have put too much energy for me to not continue that.
My current quest is an angelic pendant. To replace Esclava's which she loaned to me. This is by far more important. The angelic pendant got lost because of gaia's banning an alternate account, truly my husband's accounts and my own alternates. The letter following is what I sent to gaiaonline hoping to potentially get the accounts unbanned (something seldom done, I've been informed)
I thank all the support my friends have shown me, and those that know I've worked for everything on any of my avi's and anything I have given away. There is no way to profit from botting as quickly as I profit from marketing. From my understanding of botting it takes over the computer, and you can't do what you would otherwise do. I use my computer for so much this truly is very much a inconceivable thing for me to have even engaged in. I am willing to answer questions via pm, and via aim for those of you that know my aim name. :shrugs: It's sad when you truly work toward goals you get hung for "cheating" especially since I've fought with many a scammer to turn them around to marketing, since it is so "easy" to gain most goals.
I guess there's too many people that prefer to cheat, and they can't tell that from those that would rather legally gain.. of course, if they reverse the ban, I'll be most happy to retract that statement.
The contact of the moderator, and the letter sent to firstname.lastname@example.org
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Your accounts were banned for botting/profitting from botting. If you haven't already, you can fill out the GaiaOnline Feedback Form.
This is totally confusing to me.. It's as well very upsetting.
I have engaged in nothing "illegal" or against TOS. I had asked one moderator (the pm is in the account [deleted] saved area) about a script I had done for a slot room, that I only used for RSI. I asked if that was acceptable and they said since I as well chatted in the slot room that it shouldn't be a problem (I used that program perhaps three times and then decided if it might appear like "botting" I didn't wish to use it even with the moderator stating that it didn't seem like what I had described was what fell under botting.
I had chosen to not accept gold at all because I felt it was too "dangerous" due to exactly this potential happening. Therefore I don't believe I had any trades that came with botted gold.
Other than that, everything I did with these accounts, and my husband did with his was done by us, thinking beings, making choices to bid on specific items or whatnot, it had nothing to do with botting at all, it was not a program, it was simply cycling bids so the system didn't get hampered by canceling which I personally felt was harder on the system, or the five minute buy nows, which generated pms to be mailed out etc.
Your definition of botting from the rights & use page is
" Botting. Using an automated script, macro, or refreshing feature to post or surf webpages in order to generate Gold (Botting) is forbidden. The use of any software or codes to generate gold without the need for you being in front of your computer is generally considered as botting. Anyone suspected of botting will have their account banned. "
If you look at bid histories and such there is no way (of course, I don't know how to generate a program.. so perhaps it's just my stupidity here) to make a program do what we were doing, especially when you take into consideration it was not always a single gold above, it wasn't always in the same order, there was no "pattern" truly that we chose. Most times I believe we would go down the friend list, but I know for a fact on occasion I switched that around. The time between bids couldn't have been in specific segments, but I can't "prove" that because I can't show the trade logs, nor can I take a screen capture of those times.
We did look up in TOS to insure that bidding on an item at 1 gp interval or 10gp or whatnot wasn't against tos, and there was nothing in tos that said you couldn't bid on your own items from a different account. This was not something only reserved for bids on our accounts either, we would bid on other peoples items as well (not as often granted). This was not to generate the small 1-3 gp for page refreshes. This was done to not do 5 minute bid cancels because you didn't like the way people were bidding. Or, five minute buy nows that constantly were being put up until an item sold. (once more, for consideration of gaia's resources to try and still have marketing be successful as well as to keep from overburdening the system as can sometimes happen when the market gets flooded.)
So, because of consideration we're considered to have run a script, which it never was.. and careful notice of times etc should be more than adequate to determine that. (often having been halted in mid process of a run due to phone calls, distractions whatnot.)
I have no problem being told that this attempt "to not constantly put up short term bids is not infact helpful to the server" or whatnot, I would simply stop. But, to be banned for botting, which by your own definition this could no where be considered (imo, I don't feel we could be as finite as a computer program) and given a warning or whatever, but to be told that we've broken tos (when in fact we haven't, nor have we broken the "rules and regulations" is once more stating the service is too big to truly take accounts into consideration and "real term" true use aspects. If the market page refreshed itself in a java fashion so you didn't have to keep refreshing, I would be pleased as peaches. You could watch it like a stock program, but you are penalizing us for trying to be considerate, to both the gaia server, as well as other gaians that get annoyed with bid cancelling.)
I would request you to please dig a bit deeper and realize that to write a program to at all generate what we did would for one be too time consuming for "fake" gold. As well to unban the accounts. If any account I would please beg you to consider unbanning, [deleted] or returning an angelic pendant from one account to a user that loaned it to me, because she knew I wasn't the type to abuse things, and watched me LEGALLY earn gold through buying and selling. (In the guild from [deleted] you can read about the general ideas behind this. Once more, I have no problem not doing it again, I was trying to be considerate of gaia server resources and buyers, now I wont bother, I'll put up five minute bids and cancel, or five minute buy now bids and just continue to put them out until they sell. )
I would appreciate hearing something back as well.