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The Adventures of Narumi Misuhara
Then and Now
Whoa! been a while ride the past few months. XD Thought I'd give a project update to the projects I announced at the beginning of the year. You can see that entry here. This biggest change between then and now is that all projects going forward must earn their production cost. This is nothing new in the world of business but is new to Gaia. This does not mean you won't be able to do anything without gcash, it does mean that you should expect most projects to have some gcash element to them.

Games
The update, as I intended it, is still on hold, especially since Alchemy still needs to be figured out. In it's stead we have an update coming using the game you can find in labs and some new ones we have created to release a new game system on Gaia. I don't want to steal thunder away from the dev who's idea this was so I'll leave it to them to say more on it if they wish.

Guilds
At the beginning of the year I had hoped to start production on it in Q3, which is around now, unfortunately because of the amount of time production would take (about 3 months) and because it needs to make back it's cost. I can't justify the project. Here is where I could use the communities help. If you have ideas on cool features that guilds could have that you would be willing to pay some gcash to use please post about them in SF, or send me a PM or reply to this journal. Remember these would need to be sustainable ideas so something like a kick-starter would not be an option. Otherwise, feel free to pass your ideas along!

Alchemy
My original intention with this was to re-design the system to require more site interaction and game play to actually craft an item. My original hope and intent was to have this out in Q1 of the year, unfortunately we weren't able to get to it. Due to the amount of time required for it we will see if there is anything more short term we can do so people can progress with the existing system.

Towns 2 & Pets
Little updates to this are ongoing, but it may be a while before more Town maps can be drawn out due to shortage in resources.

The devs working on pets are also working on the Halloween event so we needed to stop production on this to start on Halloween. We'll get back to it afterwards. Pets has come along nicely and we're currently looking at launching around February. We've had a lot of ideas and changes that we wanted to get into the system and we want to make sure that when we launch it the system is solid and as cool as we can get it!

Events
As always these are still going strong. Halloween I hear should be quite a amazing!

Inventory Arranger
This is currently in QA, we want to do rigorous testing on it to make sure the new system is solid before launch.

Alright that's it for then and now, I'll post another entry with more details on the future. smilies/icon_smile.gif

Until next time...
Narumi Misuhara
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bluecherry
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commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 08:06pm
"The update [to games] is still on hold . . . In it's stead we have . . . new ones . . . new game system . . ."
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Combine that with this too "you should expect most projects to have some gcash element to them" = emotion_smilies/icon_facepalm.gifemotion_smilies/icon_facepalm.gif
Existing games? Not updated. Instead, expect even more games to further thinly spread staff over, games which will involve more GC.

"Guilds . . . unfortunately because of the amount of time production would take (about 3 months) and because it needs to make back it's cost. I can't justify the project."
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"Towns 2 . . . it may be a while before more Town maps can be drawn out due to shortage in resources.
Fired a bunch of staff, now can't get a move on to the towns update. *sigh*

At least the inventory arranger update is coming along.


commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 08:22pm
Thanks for the honesty Narumi. I feel like at least, we as users, know what is happening and that we're all on the same page now.smilies/icon_heart.gif

I'm happy to hear that inventory is coming along nicely, but I do wonder what kind of GC spin has been put on it though.

I'm still holding out for alchemy at the moment, I hope you guys get a chance to work on it at some point.



As for guilds... I have an idea but I don't know if anyone would pay for it. What about the ability to change the guild colours inside, so that the topic borders can be colour customed., or the background (like with event forums)? The ability to upload your own guild shield? Just some ideas, maybe a poll could be done to see interest?



Sand Dancer Shaka
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commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 08:34pm
Regarding ways to help Alchemy's existing system along: some people, I have not the slightest bit of data suggesting how many, lost an easy road to Alchemy when the level-1 Formula for the Golden Magical Giftbox was discontinued. These people were mostly Booty Grab tank owners with fish that generate Pink Magical Giftboxes, and they got so many of those Pink Giftboxes that turning fifty of them into a Golden Giftbox and then using those Golden Giftboxes to craft Caches and Cases was actually a feasible route for them to take. Might you consider re-instating the GGB formula just in case it helps?

...I don't know what else you could do that wouldn't take a noticable amount of dev and maybe artist time...the idea of selling Caches/Cases for GC has met with some strong negative backlash in the Alchemy forum, so that probably wouldn't be a smart PR move.


commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 08:43pm
Cash isn't the problem. It's all the emphasis on it, and the balance between users who can pay and those who can't has been greatly put out of whack. And that's one of the main reasons why people are so against it. That and it's just plain annoying. (And a lot of the people who buy it frequently are too, just sayin')

Cash should provide bonuses, boosts. It shouldn't be a cheat code.



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commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 08:48pm
Thank you for your honesty.


Though I would prefer you guys got to doing the current games rather than making more.
However, I must say that keeping the games simple would go a long way. But I also have no idea what kind of games you guys have in mind, so I cannot give much.
Still emotion_smilies/icon_facepalm.gif
And holding up Alchemy more? Can you guys at least get to it next year?


Guilds:
Monetizing... I have no idea how that would even work.


commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 09:03pm
I love how we were promised updates to guilds what...1-2 years ago? Spring cleaning! So fun, so interactive! Users pick!

Now it's all gotten spit in our faces all this time later because it isn't lucrative to keep one of the most used parts of the site simply up to date.



dakki-dono
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commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 09:14pm
As others have already said, thanks for your candor.
Not sure that I'm pleased with anything else from your update though as it sounds to me like the Gaia many of us fondly remember, the one that people could play, chat, and just be on for free is now a thing of the past.
I fully realize that Gaia is a business, but I can't help but wonder how Gaia lasted as long as it did with the old model if said model was so horrendously broken as to require the sea-change that seems to be taking place.
I also can't help but wonder how shifting to a "pay as you play" model is going to effect the site as a whole.
I'm a fully employed adult with disposable income to spend on my entertainment, yet to be honest, there hasn't been much on Gaia of late, despite the constant Sales, that has inspired me to spend much of that income, and really, and no offense intended, there's very little currently on the site that I would spend it on either.
Short of something amazing coming on-line to incent us to spend, I'm not sure how the model of every feature having to pay for itself is going to play out.
If old, free features continue to be relegated to the back-burner in deference to new, profit making ventures, I can see the population who simply don't have disposable income becoming disenfranchised, while Gaia casts about for things that will appeal to those who do.
Based on your recent track record with new ventures, that seems like a very fine tight-rope you are about to set out upon.

Racking my brain on ways to monetize existing features, or add things to them that I might be willing to pay for...
Perhaps some things like Guild Chat Spaces could be migrated from Gold purchases to GC. Heck, perhaps if the outstanding issues surrounding Guilds were addressed, the Guilds themselves could become a cash feature.

Also, and this one's pretty out there, but as someone who has been lobbying for a sub-forum for a particular passion of mine and getting no traction on it, I wonder if there's some way that a sub could be purchased.......


commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 09:23pm
I'm glad this is in a journal as I don't think a lot of people will be keen on the cash aspects of games. I understand it's necessary to support features but after the onslaught of item sales, which isn't on the dev team but people will look at the whole company's approach to cash and not just one department, it might be a good idea to wait before revealing the cash features. Otherwise I can see many people quitting over something like this. ESPECIALLY seeing that monetizing guilds might be the only way to see it updated, even though the overall system has been in desperate need of updating for years.
Ultimately, I'm not huge on the games on this site, aside from BG, since there seems to be an increasingly common trend of devs having great idea for games and features, only to have them get put on the back burner after they become too much to handle. At this point I just want to see (in order of priority): a permanent gold sink that will actually entice users to dump their gold into it, and the inventory arranger and guilds updated.
However, I like the idea someone above had for customizing guilds. I can see some people really going for that. Heck, maybe even a promote-my-guild feature.
In the end, I think a message needs to be sent to whichever team is in charge of site sales that people are getting worn out from all of the sales over the Summer. While there are plenty of people who have been happy and buying, there are many others who feel overwhelmed by the focus on expensive items bought through cash and inundating the economy with gold (which, again, is bought for cash). While there are loyalty perks for non-cash spenders on the way, people are growing increasingly more pessimistic about the site, and there seems to be a growing concern that it will become extremely difficult to enjoy the site for those who don't buy GC. At least that seems to be the case in the GCD and SF. I just think that if people are losing interest from all the cash focus, adding that into games after all these sales might not go over so well.



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commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 10:35pm
Hey Narumi,

thanks for the update.

I've made suggestions towards some games in regards to having GC options. Check this, and this. Heck, there's even a thread about us buying ad space here. And I do believe that is super cool considering there is a good number of us who are grown and have our own business. Understanding that Gaians are not just 18 - 24, but are people 13 - 17 or much higher helps this site out. Not a single one of these is "out there." I do believe they're well within your realm to do.

GC potential for Guilds?

Wouldn't it be better to send out a Staff Notice that links to a thread or is it possible to send a mass email to guild owners about what they would like to see? I don't own one, but if I had to take a guess...

GC to advertise their guild in an actual ad space?

GC to customize the look and feel of their guild: changing color, adding background images, ability to save a layout backup file, ability to add media/flash to the home page?

I really don't know. So you should just ask a guild owner what they'll be willing to pay for.


As for Alchemy, I sincerely believe this can wait. To me, this is going to take a while to get in order and during that time it's not going to help anyone. Even though there are cash items involved with Alchemy...I just don't believe it holds that much relevance truthfully. I believe Games has more potential for revenue than this. Not to mention it holds more sentimentality with the users. So it's your best bet. smilies/icon_neutral.gif


commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 11:00pm
As far as monetising Guilds, it might be neat to offer something similar to Friends Chat. I know a lot of Guilds hold Towns Meets, but having someplace private seems worth spending GCash on.



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commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 11:15pm
Not all good news ... But i'm super thankful that you're being up front with us.


commentCommented on: Tue Sep 03, 2013 @ 11:53pm
Really disappointed to hear about guilds considering until very recently we've been assured and reassured that an update was on the "to do" list. There's not a single update to guilds, that I was hoping for, that should be a cash feature. Basic updates like tipping, or better organization tools just...shouldn't be cash oriented and I really can't think of way that guilds can become a premium feature (and, really, I don't think they should).

I know you probably didn't make this decision personally so I'm not going to hate on you for it. But honestly, this is a pretty sore blow to my support for the site, I have to say. (Though I'll also admit I'm not exactly shocked or awed by this news, with the way things have been going.)

But if this is how it will be going forward, I really do need to consider if it's worth it to remain an active part of the greater Gaia community, and a financial supporter of the site..or if I'd rather retreat into my guild communities and just use the site as an avenue to maintain contact with the people I know there.

I find it disappointing that I feel I actually have to consider which road I want to take. But...it is what it is, I guess. 8(



StrawberryZ0mbie
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commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 12:27am
I'm glad to hear that the inventory arranger update is still going strong. New games... I'm curious as to what they are- hopefully there will be some simple ones that even my slow computer can handle. lol

GC wise, eh, as long as it doesn't get to the point where it's like games on Facebook- where you pretty much can't do squat without paying real money and/or bugging other people to help you, I won't be too bothered by it. I stopped playing games on there because it's aggravating to realize that you can't move on to the next level or complete a mission unless you shell out money or beg people for help.


commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 12:33am
Sad to hear Alchemy is still on the backburner, but smaller updates here and there would be amazing! Maybe throw in a few more formulas? I think we'd all appreciate it. Thank you for being honest!



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commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 12:38am
Hi Narumi -- thank you for being honest and open with us regarding the status of these projects. That being said, I'm very saddened to hear that Guilds have, once again, been put on the back-burner, especially since we were told that Guilds 2.0 was on the Development team's to-do list.

I am always quick to defend Gaia Online's decisions as a company that needs to make a profit in order to provide its employees with a paycheck. Club Verge, the re-release of the Angelic Halo -- I understand. I understand all of it. But those things are special, bonus features that are not by any means necessary to enjoy the site's core aspects: dressing up one's avatar, and posting in forums. They augment and complement a user's unique experience, but they are not the foundation of the Gaian user experience.

Forums, avatars, guilds, games -- these are things that should receive regular, basic maintenance without the promise of money. But here are some things that definitely need to be brought up to date before monetizing any aspect of Guilds:

  • On any other part of the site, I can report someone who violates the Terms of Service quickly and effectively; in Guilds, stolen graphics and code have sat in place for years, even after having been reported. There is no other place on Gaia as notorious as Guilds for being a safe haven for flamers, art thieves, or worse.

  • I can edit my posts, my profile, and my signature however I want -- but the coding of Guilds is so outdated that some BB-Code is simply impossible to use.

  • I can remove multiple people from my friends list at once, but the Crew in my guild, in an effort to save us money from the cost of Guild announcements, have to devote hours upon hours of their time to remove each inactive member manually. We have removed 25,000 inactive members over the course of a single year, and we have one more year to go.


In no way am I ungrateful for the things that the Dev team has accomplished, and I support all of you wholeheartedly, knowing that what you're working on is for the betterment of the overall Gaian experience. If you're having a tough time justifying the Guilds 2.0 project to your higher-ups, please remind them that no one is going to pay for a room in a sinking ship. In other words, if Guilds aren't up-to-date and functional, like the rest of the site, no one is going to want to invest money in them.


commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 12:39am
Oh. Boy.

Thankyou for this update.
Lots to think about.



gataka
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commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 03:07am
Thank you for the updates. smilies/icon_3nodding.gif


commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 03:51am
This is complete BS that every project has to make back it's own money. This is what RIGS, the Cash shop, and Verge are for. Not every project is for profit! It's to keep players loyal and playing, so that they do spend money on the site through the aforementioned ways.

Now I understand why Locke quit, stating that Gaia was moving in a direction he didn't want to be part of. This CASH EVERYTHING direction is called PAY TO WIN. Please report to your new CEO that he is destroying Gaia, strangling out every last breathe of fun on the site due to his strong grip on cash.



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commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 04:04am
dude it's not that hard to monetize new guild features. you guys must've been going through brain farts recently?

i've had fun watching gaia flounder with disappointing the community but since this has to do with one of the community's gems here's your hint:

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Now let Guildies buy their own Guild Home flash space for 8,000,000 gold or 1,000 Gaia Cash.

Guild-donated GC ideas - things bought with GC donated to the guild

Delete subforum - 10GC or 20k gold
Buy guild home/hall flash space - 1000GC - once you have this down you can make special GUILD-only flash space items that can only be placed in guild "halls" and that all cost ridiculous amounts of GC
Buy additional room for guild home - 1500GC
Advertise guild on Guilds homepage - 100GC
Enable tipping in Guilds (every member in your guild can tip posts)- 1000GC
Advertise guild in Towns 2 flash space (kind of like Recent Topics in Towns 1, except for Guilds but in Towns 2, and the topic leads to your guild home hangout) - 500GC
+1 Guild announcement (ability to send up to 2 guild announcements per day) - 1000GC
Enable subforum organizing - 500GC
Customize guild background/wallpaper - 200GC ea change
Buy a guild mini-pet mascot (Captain submits mini-pet idea to Gaia, Gaia makes item, everyone in the guild gets granted this pet when they are a member of or join the guild) - 50,000GC or 100,000GC
Buy a guild coat of arms banner for Towns 2 (Captain submits banner idea to Gaia, Gaia makes banner and places it in a public area in Towns 2, this is permanent and cannot be changed unless Captain buys another banner for 5,000GC to replace the other one, clicking on banner leads to the Guild's homepage) - 10,000GC or 20,000 GC
Create guild badge (Captain submits badge idea to Gaia, Gaia makes badge icon which can be placed under the avatar in the forums, under Achievements) - 5,000 to 10,000 GC (don't charge more than $100 for this one, or it won't catch on and no guilds will care to get one) (SEE CONT)
etc.

Guild individual user GC ideas - things bought by the individual user for themselves
Create guild badge (CONT) - BUY guild badge (once your guild has a confirmed badge icon by Gaia artists, as a member of that guild you can then buy the badge to display under your avatar in the forums) - 5 to 50GC
Honey post style - 1GC ea post
Subscribe to thread -1GC ea subscription
Enable tipping in Guilds (in every guild you're a member of; account feature basis)- 100GC
Enable Promote My Post in guilds
And because people are superficial and this site is more and more about being superficial - have a 'highest GC guild donator' spotlight list on the main Guilds Home page.
etc.

Satisfy your new evil ways yet, Gaia?


commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 04:36am
Looks like GaiaOnline doesn't care anything about the guilds.

99,000 free moderators which GaiaOnline doesn't have to pay for. These are the guild captains and their crew doing jobs that GaiaOnline moderators would normally do, for free.

That saves GaiaOnline a lot of money. But they don't care about that information.

What do they do? They put more features and effort in to the regular forums, which increase their popularity, which means a huge increase in posts, necessitating hiring more moderators (which costs GaiaOnline more money....)

When, oh WHEN will GaiaOnline actually stop being pound foolish and penny smart?


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commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 08:17am
So you're being honest about the need to make money ... perhaps I am naive, but with Gaia online making $6,396 a day, surely there is a way to move some budget around to facilitate the promises you made two years ago in the whole "spring cleaning" event.

I know that Gaia is a business and making money for a business is essential. I also can see why it can be perceived that the guild upgrade won't make any /more/ money. That's wrong however ... seeing as though making customers happy makes them happy to support your business. You choose to screw over your customers and not hold to your promises instead. That's as shortsighted as it is spineless. Disturbingly disappointing. Again.

You just lost a customer. Might not mean much to you to have one person never donate again. And while hundreds of dollars is not the same as the thousands it would cost you to work on the guilds; it did cost you NOT to work on the Guilds and be true to your promises.


commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 09:26am
I'm trying to find a nice way to say this but instead I'll settle for stating out and out my disappointment with this site right now.



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commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 02:59pm
Guilds.

Firstly guild cost allot to make and maintain, they keep the Gaia Economy in check by people buying new ones and making new sub forums. Guilds are a key part to gaia and always have been. I have been on gaia for a long time and have only seen a few updates, and none that really matter.

Guilds need a complete update. Everything about them needs to be made modern, Gaia cannot be taken seriously as a companies if it does not intend to keep up with all the users needs. The only way i can think of it being able to make some money back is to simply make, making guilds more expensive and that is a cost i would pay. i am not however going to condone any use your Gcash when it comes to guilds. The idea that i would now have to pay real money to have any commodities in my guild, when we should of been having them over 2 years ago is just an insult to me and every guild owner. Seriously you need to get your acts together, update the guilds in any way possible.

Secondly the fact that it would take 3 months to update guilds in general as an excuse not to go ahead with it is just stupid. You spend more time on other parts of the development of gaia so why should you not sacrifice a little time. Just think that when it is done you will not need to worry about guilds for a long time, that very fact makes updating guilds completely worth while in the short run as well as the long run.

It is about time you stop screwing people around by making promises you fail to keep. You need to be proactive, and actually think about the users of this website. Updating the guilds would make a huge impact on the community of Gaia for the better and would restore allot of confidence back in to the people who run this website.

Thank you for reading.

Kane Solomon (Guild owner)


commentCommented on: Wed Sep 04, 2013 @ 03:02pm
I'll bite, only because I have the time... And because I'm not in the mood to grade papers... cat_smilies/icon_stare.gif

Then and Now

What exactly is the production cost of these projects (imagines random thermometer sign at a fundraiser drive telling people where the fundraiser is at and what its goal is) and what exactly is "earn their production cost" entail? Does it mean the feature has to generate profit or simply pay for itself, because you can easily get the community to pay for something on site, but they're not going to want to fund some profit-generating schemes that will only feeds into Gaia Interactive with no mutually visible benefit to Gaians.

Also, if most projects are going to have an gCa$h element to them, how exactly is that an incentive to remain a AutoCa$h $ubscriber? I mean, you're basically telling the people who already regularly support the site that your actions, and contributions, have been in vain, because you don't spend enough cat_smilies/icon_neutral.gif

Games

I thought Games was already a defunct area of the site, given that we haven't had any updates to the on-site ones in forever (new Jigsaw puzzles using RIG art? new uses for credits from Word Bump, like maybe graduate robes featuring different colours, like for particular academic disciplines? How 'bout Lex being moved to the P&J? <---- That last one is the most important of all updates cat_smilies/icon_mad.gif ) and keep losing all the new ones cat_smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif As for Alchemy, you're putting it off so much you might as well at least make it more available/accessible to people in the community (increase in frequency of Philosopher's Cache/Alchemist's Case in DC?) in the version you have, because, at the very least, it is a gold sink and it will help to counter the aftermath of Flynn's Booty cat_smilies/icon_stressed.gif

I look forward to these new games you've mentioned, but... Will they too have a gCa$h component that we will need to be aware of (or will that steal too much of the Dev working on them's thunder)? cat_smilies/icon_sad.gif

Guilds

To be honest, I was excited, like most Gaians, at the beginning of the year too... But... With the release of CV, I don't want anything to do with Guilds, honestly cat_smilies/icon_confused.gif Call it being vindictive, soured, whatever, but I don't want to support a project that will ultimately support that cat_smilies/icon_neutral.gif If anything, all I ask is that you make the Honey Post Style visible again in guilds, which I imagine would be a nice quick fix, but otherwise I will live with the broken, decrepit guild feature as it is, especially since I wouldn't pay anything to have it updated, since these updates should have been done to begin with. Something that makes the guilds go beyond simply bringing them up to date is something worth paying for, but the feature has been left untouched for so long that I don't think we should have to figure out a way to make it sustainable in order to get the updates it needs to be truly functional and or on par with the rest of the site cat_smilies/icon_stare.gif

...'Course you could just milk the CVrs for the Guild 2.0 money, since they're donating to the site anyways... I mean, that method worked wonders for Habbo (and is quite sustainable as long as you pander to their egos) cat_smilies/icon_wink.gif

Alchemy

Honestly, you should probably start by eliminating components that are scare to begin with from formulas OR increase the supply of items that Alchemy has virtually wiped out of the system... Plus an increase in the frequency, or a remodeling along the lines of the Philosopher's Cache, of the Alchemist Case is probably a great place to start too cat_smilies/icon_confused.gif

Adding more achievements to crafting certain items is also a great idea as well cat_smilies/icon_nodding.gif

...And having zOMG recipes completed count towards Alchemy experience would probably also help get Gaians more involved as well cat_smilies/icon_nodding.gif

Towns 2 & Pets

Towns 2 is doing fine... And it is probably one of the only highlights all year 'round from Gaia (in fact, not just Towns 2, but Gaia Homes/Housing too has been great); Basically, what has been done so far is amazing and very much appreciated (although, I would like to see a more Animal Crossing-esque style house decorating system, because it kind of hard to manoeuvre stuff when decorating at times cat_smilies/icon_sweatdrop.gif ).

And, as such, I can happily wait for the rest to come cat_smilies/icon_nodding.gif ...But if there are any artists about not doing anything pressing at the moment (and, no, CV does not count in my book), we could use a housing update to the Faktori cat_smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif

As for the Pet system though, well... I mean, I like the concept, but... Well, I'll hold off on passing any further judgement, although... Ja.... Just a little concerned about the whole shop and who the NPC running it will be... cat_smilies/icon_neutral.gif

Events

Well, define amazing (and not just because everything above made it seem like IF a project doesn't get Gaians to throw IRL money at it, the project is shite and not worth doing cat_smilies/icon_emo.gif ), but because there is different levels of amazing on Gaia cat_smilies/icon_neutral.gif

I mean, H2k8 was amazing, but... To take another recent holiday event... Xmas2k12 was craptastic cat_smilies/icon_confused.gif (I still don't even get the point of that event... With the tree and the star... And the numbers... cat_smilies/icon_sweatdrop.gif )... But, then again, Xmas2k11 was astoundingly awesome! cat_smilies/icon_surprised.gif And it made use of practically every feature too (BTW, this event was one of Alchemy's shining moments in my book too cat_smilies/icon_nodding.gif ), aside from obviously ones like Rally and zOMGs... So... If, and when, you say amazing, remember that life, even on Gaia, is understood backwards, but lived forward... So... Just remember that the past is always going to be the haunting gauge for the community as far as what is, and is not, amazing cat_smilies/icon_neutral.gif

Inventory Arranger

Honestly, anything is better than the REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY OLD Inventory Arranger we have now cat_smilies/icon_sweatdrop.gif Still... I can't wait to see it cat_smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

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Hmm... Anything else... Oh ja! cat_smilies/icon_eek.gif Whatever happened to that events calendar? cat_smilies/icon_confused.gif Also ...FYI, your blog is really out of date... Just sayin'... cat_smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif


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commentCommented on: Thu Sep 05, 2013 @ 06:29am
Would definitely pay for guild upgrades ~ !
particularly:
- being able to browse past 25 pages <--- WOULD PAY A LOT
- adding sub-sub forums <--- WOULD PAY A LOT
- getting rid of announcement cooldowns
- ability to add banners or icons to subforums
- themes (such as the ones that we see in gaia event forums)


commentCommented on: Thu Sep 05, 2013 @ 03:42pm
It makes me wonder what exactly you guys are doing with all the money you are getting. I know that businesses can be expensive to run, and there's all the tech and the people that are needed to run one, but that said....


you have to wonder what exactly you guys are doing so differently that all of a sudden you have to make this site almost a 'pay-to-play' site.

Weren't the MC's, then the RIG's, then the REI's all developed in order to allow you guys to make enough to actually put new features together and do the things you have PROMISED users over the years? Instead all we get are broken promises, features that are either discontinued or so old they are barely useable (inventory arranger anyone?), and the feeling that if you could you'd reach out and steal our wallets.

You're just going to hurt yourself in the end by killing what makes this site special in the first place, a great hangout for friends and to meet some fantastic people.


Shame on you, gaia, shame.



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commentCommented on: Thu Sep 05, 2013 @ 05:28pm
I think one thing that would help alchemy out immensely short term is if you tweaked the occurance rates of caches/cases, so that the pricier items are a bit more easier to pull (wing formulas, nsfw formula, gold/diamond/platinum caches)

Also add a new formula per level, that only uses gold shop ingredients, so that people looking to level wont have to fight over rare OP ingredients.

Aaand, it would help if you add the previous wing poses to higher tier wings. That way one person doesnt have to hog multiple wing formulas just because they want all 3 wing sizes.

I really love what you described for the new alchemy system btw. @-@


commentCommented on: Thu Sep 05, 2013 @ 07:17pm
Also I'm shocked by the guilds decision.

Isn't there some way you guys could recycle the forum coding to make it work in guilds? 3 months feels like way more than it should require. It may not be immediately profitability but from a long term perspective it would certainly help keep users around. Plus if it was same as forum coding it would be easier to implement cash features.

Btw. One way you could make cash off guilds is to allow them (guild captains) to buy site-wide announcements, to advertise their guild and gain new guild members. It'd have to be expensive though, like 50$, so that people do not spam it. >.<



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commentCommented on: Thu Sep 05, 2013 @ 11:40pm
At this point I would pay SO MUCH for a guild update. The guilds needs it.

Everything Lizbot suggested
+ In-guild search function. Having to go through pages and pages searching for one thing is awful.
+ View User's Posts for in-guild posts? Maybe?

It actually does break my heart to hear that guilds are being put on the back burner considering all the past promises OF the guilds getting updates. It's been so long that I would seriously just pay all kinds of amounts of cash for them to get some kind of update.


commentCommented on: Fri Sep 06, 2013 @ 06:15pm
My personal opinion about the guilds is complete and utter disappointment. While I thank you for the honesty, we shouldn't be made to pay for something that SHOULD of been updated along with the other parts of the site, nor should we be made to pay for promises not kept. I personally believe that the cost for updating the guilds should be eaten and an apology made for those of us who have been waiting YEARS for them to catch up with the rest of the site only to receive promises and no follow-through.smilies/icon_gonk.gif

I've been a member of this site for 10 years, and to be honest, I hate how EVERYTHING is becoming related to GCash in one way or another, and that's not how this site started out. One of the things I used to like, starting out, was there was no PRESSURE to buy things if you didn't want to, but the option was always there, and i've done quite a bit of donating to the site through the years, but now it's all "if you wanna do this, you gotta pay." This site started out fun, now it's just greedier than hell. "We have to make it worth the cost..." as a business, yes I completely understand that need, but somethings, if you wanna keep the older population who came onto the site for the pure fun of it, it's better to eat the cost and make it up elsewhere. smilies/icon_sweatdrop.gif

This site has lost alot of the fun it used to have, that made it so appealing. Every year that goes by, I'm more and more tempted to leave, the more disappointed I become in either the quality of stuff, or how certain things are being pushed down our throats. smilies/icon_mad.gif

Sorry for the rant, I'm just really upset about the guilds being, once more, pushed away and excuses made. Suck it up, eat the cost, and know that if you did that and updated the guilds, you will keep a HELL of alot more people than if you force us to start paying for stupid things that SHOULD of been added in the first place a LONG time ago. It's not fair to us. Why should we pay for something that is OWED TO US? smilies/icon_stressed.gif



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commentCommented on: Sat Sep 07, 2013 @ 05:00am
The part that confuses me the most out of this new statement is that before, when on the subject of Zomg, it was explained that all cash earned went into a pool that covered everything.

So...are the ads generating just enough cash to cover the cost of putting them on the site? The time it took an employee to get the ad contract and code it into the site?

Are Thank You letters and cash items and flash sales and RIGs just covering the cost of the artist who pixeled them, the person who coded them, and the person who updated the code to include them?

So if there is actually some money left over after covering the cost of these other "features" we're spending cash on, can't they go towards things that might need updating that are still the free part of the site?

What happens when the other free features need updating? There are plenty of other free ways to use message boards, chat rooms, or have a Neopet. At some point, we're not going to enjoy being nickled-and-dimed to use features that are available for free on other sites in the name of doing them on Gaia.


commentCommented on: Sun Sep 08, 2013 @ 03:49pm
GUILDS

Hello! I have a few ideas for Gcash spending in regards to guilds.

I can see guild users spending Gcash on items that only guild members would be able to buy. Say, if a guild has only a few members and/or low activity, their members would only be able to buy a few items, but then the items can get cooler and more expensive the larger and/or more active a guild is. This way it would be a purely optional feature; it isn't critical in running a guild, like, say, adding subforums would be. It's just 'hey, look, a shiny item that only I can buy.'

The second idea I had is having a guild house in towns. I'm not sure how hard it would be for developers to add this, but having an actual guild building for members to run around in would rake in so much Gcash. Guild owners could have the option of buying a Guild Hall (Guild House, whatever you'd like to call it), and then there could be a special shop that has items for that Hall, all only available with Gcash. This feature could work regardless of how large/small, active/inactive a guild is.



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commentCommented on: Wed Sep 11, 2013 @ 05:04pm
I would be willing to pay small amounts of gcash for things like guild house features and guild decorations etc. Somewhere in the range of 10-50gcash for features.


commentCommented on: Wed Sep 11, 2013 @ 09:37pm
I just had another thought today, actually a few days ago, but it seems so small, and it was actually something I knew about guilds for years. I thought by now someone would mention it or realize it, but they did not. Here is a clue: Gaia is losing (losing? more like lost opportunity) hundreds of easy money each day/thousands each month by not utilizing and updating guilds in the same way forums exist. The fact that ya'll have yet to see it, and that it is worth going back into the guild code for, is mind-blowing to me. I feel like BBC Sherlock tsk'ing at the simple people around him who can't see the connections. It just blows my mind that Gaia hasn't realized this yet about guilds but whatever. If someone around Gaia takes more time to look at guilds maybe they will see the money they are missing. If Gaia desperately wants an answer I can give it but I'd rather the staff at Gaia use their brains to identify it first.

The answer to making money from guilds is so simple. So stupidly simple.



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commentCommented on: Thu Sep 12, 2013 @ 03:36pm
Another idea for guilds is to have to pay Gcash instead of 20,000 gold to own one.


commentCommented on: Thu Sep 19, 2013 @ 02:29am
Thanks for being honest. But sadly and being blunt in reference to the guilds. There's no way in hell or anything else I'd drop Gcash into them. Not for something that when I joined years ago was free.

Sorry guys, I might drop a bit into the Gcash from time to time but for guilds? Are you guys on glue? If it weren't for the guilds how many users would you have? The guilds are one of the reasons people stick here and acutally sink money into that golden sink drain called Gcash.

Pay for so called upgrades/updates for my guild... no. I don't give a leaping lizards t**t about colors or fonts, those in my guild just want to post and have fun on our days off or after work. We're not worried about what color the background is or even the font. We're here to have fun, laugh and relax.

I know other users ask for more in their guilds, so be it. That's their choice, all I've ever asked for was a way to sell back unused/no longer needed subforums. But I can deal without it, esp if I've got to end up paying out of my paycheck for it.

I can't speak for others, so this is only my opinion.

As to the other topics... new CEO same deal... lay off, start, put on hold to do X, return to halted project only to be layed off and project ax'ed... :::shakes her head::: Next project.

To think I used to say thank goodness for the guilds, a retreat from the BS. Now to think we could be charged out of pocket just to enjoy them. I'm not thrilled.

Tis the nature of the beast I suppose. The Romans failed to learn, let's see what happens here.

Man I feel for you mods/devs/staff... best of luck getting things done guys.

Now I'm going to go have some fun while I still can. :::grins evilly as she takes off while thinking evil thoughts:::



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commentCommented on: Fri Sep 20, 2013 @ 08:51pm
Um okay, great to know about it....


commentCommented on: Sun Sep 22, 2013 @ 08:21pm
thank you I felt a little offended, I havnt been on since a couple minutes but reading it makes me shiver smilies/icon_xp.gif


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commentCommented on: Sun Sep 22, 2013 @ 09:27pm
Honest question: If everything must individually make its cost back, why not just make Gaia pay-to-play? In the end, that will be the result of this direction anyhow. Just give up the facade and charge a monthly fee, then use the money to fund what users want to see.

Or you could go back to selling awesome pixels that folks will pay you for and using the money generated for the whole site, not just more GC offers.


commentCommented on: Thu Oct 10, 2013 @ 02:23am
I know this is a couple weeks after the rest of the comments, but I've only seen this journal entry today and couldn't resist adding my own comment.

I fully agree with previous comments about Guilds, especially Ebania. I think a lot of people would pay real money for various extras for Guilds - for example, people pay for the 'bump my post' feature despite it being completely optional, so I feel people would pay for similar or different optional features in Guilds - but before any cash options can be added, the Guild system needs to be updated. Quoting Ebania from above, no one is going to pay for a room in a sinking ship. Why would anyone pay cash for an optional feature in such an outdated part of the site? I certainly wouldn't - but if Guilds were brought up to date with the rest of the site, and depending on the various cash features added to Guilds, then I probably would do so for the benefit of the members of my guild.

Please, please reconsider updating Guilds. I know you weren't the person who made this decision, but it's my honest hope you can speak to the one (or group of people) who did. Guilds could easily be profitable with various cash features - they just need to be updated first. I'm quite confident that not many people would pay real money for features added to the current, outdated Guilds, but once updated, they'd be a much more appealing part of the site again, and would be much more appealing to spend money on.

Also, I agree on being able to see more than 25 pages worth of topics: Ours are still pushed off that 25 page limit so we can't see them, and moving them to a new, empty subforum still doesn't make new pages and renders the previously invisible threads still invisible.

Gaia dev team, thank you for all that you do, but please reconsider updating Guilds!



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commentCommented on: Tue Nov 05, 2013 @ 09:45pm
Not sure if this will get read here or not. Not really sure where to reach out not with the lack of the ata.

But I was wondering would you be able to share more about the change in position you took on recently, and what that actually means you now do?

Was someone brought in, or promoted to cover your old job title? (Dev lead/engineering manager?) Not asking for names, but just wondering if someone else was put there, or if devs are reporting to a different manager etc.

I am always interested in the internal staff structure at gaia, and who is doing what. Any info you could share on the changes in your title would be awesome, and Im sure would help to aid in us giving you more relevent questions to your current title.


commentCommented on: Thu Dec 05, 2013 @ 09:02pm
zOMG is incredibly glitchy even still.



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commentCommented on: Sun Feb 02, 2014 @ 09:37pm
I am sure you are getting a whole lot of all types of responses, but I wanted to thankyou for your honesty and candor.


commentCommented on: Thu Mar 20, 2014 @ 10:19am
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it needs to make back it's cost. I can't justify the project. If you have ideas on... features... that you would be willing to pay... gcash


Ahh, yes... at last, someone tells the truth around here. We know what you really mean by "it" in the quote above, don't we? Just come right out and say it: Gaia Online. Meaning that you and your fellow administrators are holding new features hostage until we shell out real money, and lots of it, hostage, correct? smilies/icon_stressed.gif

And I thought I was a villain... smilies/icon_evil.gif

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Games: The update, as I intended it, is still on hold...

Until we dump more money into your new CEO's already overflowing coffers? smilies/icon_confused.gif

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it may be a while before more Town maps can be drawn out due to shortage in resources


Resources? $$$smilies/icon_question.gif Hmmm...

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Inventory Arranger: This is currently in QA...


I would like to be able to believe that this is true, however, given the track record around here lately... smilies/icon_ninja.gif

And you administrators, or is that adminis-TRAITORS, wonder why threads like this, or this, or even THIS exist in the first place?

If you want this site to die a slow, lingering, ignominious death in obscurity, lamented by the people like myself who long for the "good old days when Gaia's staff actually listened to us", then by all means keep going down the route you're going on. You WILL eventually bankrupt this site by driving off all but the smallest of groupies, and then you will have no choice but to close it down.

Or, you can turn things around and fix these problems by removing excess gold from the economy, lowering the prices of your overpriced cash items back down to reasonable levels, actually listening to your userbase and giving your customers what they want, and running this business as it should be--driven by customer satisfaction and providing quality service instead of running a glorified Ponzi scheme for your upper management's enrichment.

The choice is yours. Either way, I did indeed tell you so.


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commentCommented on: Wed Mar 26, 2014 @ 10:47am
Thank you for the update!


commentCommented on: Fri May 30, 2014 @ 02:44am
Thanks for the update and pretty avi c:



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commentCommented on: Fri May 30, 2014 @ 07:10am
http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/petitions/stop-the-inflation-1400-signatures/t.88156263_recent/


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commentCommented on: Fri May 30, 2014 @ 05:01pm
I'm going to say this here and now if this site becomes a MMO that has to be payed just to login and use guilds I'm leaving I think everyone here will leave to I'm not even paying attention to all the updates only for free events do I give it the light of day I don't care about RIG's discounts, or even evolving items which is sad because I used to love those got a few my self but haven't bought any in like what 3 years?

Look I would forget rig's and keep a few evolving items not a a bunch that probably is what taking your money in the first place necessarily RIG's any many do you have in a month? that's a lot of items and artists to pay for I would put those in the back burner and work on normal shops more often I've bought from there more then in the market place!

And yeah the market is so down hill that if you don't have Gcash items to sell your screwed I can't buy anything even old items that now sense their so old and the weekly or monthly clean ups make sure that things are going to be over priced there's no point in looking there is bogus to see the prices there I assure you.

So here's the thing working on the community is your only bet to keep people from leaving I know cause everyone I knew here is gone on to facebook or some other free to chat place just cause of how gaia is handling everything so please stop just looking for more money outlet's I used to go here cause it was free I didn't have to pay any real money to get a cool avi and everyone was having fun now even the free to play event are lame just clicking for a items or posting 500 times or finding egg's that takes 25 pages or more? Oh and let's not forget how impossible it is to play the switch-em game without using Gcash.

This as all happened and I honestly don't like it I only come here to see if anything is going to get better and maybe fiddle with my avatar from time to time but really I don't do anything else here you have to change or else I can't say how many people will stay on gaia.

And Dev, Admins, and worker's of the like I know it's not your fault for this but seriously make sure the higher up's are hearing this and trying to get thing to be fun and not stressful to do anything here.



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commentCommented on: Wed Sep 24, 2014 @ 08:41pm
Over a year later and inventory arranger is still in QA??? I call bullshit. Give us an update in notices!!


commentCommented on: Wed Oct 22, 2014 @ 05:42am
Will there be any GoFusion items for this event?



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