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Noora's Ark
Answer to Luciferian Fail
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Christ refused to help those not of his own race -Matthew 7:6, 10:5-6, 15:24, 15:26, Mark 7:26-7
Christ disrespected his mother -John 2:4, 19:26
Christ demanded that you call noone father, as that is God's title only -Matthew 23:9
Christ implored you become pushy and demanding towards your friends, as it is easier to get things from them Luke 11:5-10
Christ said that if you are owed money, it's okay to sell them and their family into slavery to get it back -matthew 18:23-35
Christ was a glutton -Matthew 11:19, Luke 7:34



These are the scriptures that I am going to research and expand upon. There is one I can answer right away, the rest I am going to have to look up because the Luciferian spin on them doesn't ring any bells. The one about Mary is frequently made by Protestants, thus I am aware of it.

Jesus was never disrespectful to his mother, however he did use her requests of him to make points for the furthering of the kingdom of heaven. I am supposing that John 2:4 is when she asked him to perform his first public miracle of changing the water into wine.

He called her "woman" which harkens us back to the woman Eve. Mary is the second Eve, she is the one foretold in Genesis who will raise up seed (Jesus) to crush the Serpant's head (Satan) via his atoning sacrafice.

I think the second verse from John 19 without looking probably refers to the time when Mary and Jesus cousins come to call Him away, fearing the rumours that He is "crazy;" their purpose is to protect Jesus, but he rebukes them because he does not require their protection, well meaning though it surely was. Then he turns to the crowd and says: "Who are my brothers, cousins, family? Those who obey my Father in Heaven." This is his teaching that we are all one family as joint heirs with Christ; royal sons and daughters of our Father in Heaven.

To understand Matthew 7:6 as in most cases, it requires us to either back up a way to read from earlier passages;

Quote:
Judging Others
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.


Part of not condemning people is not harping and preaching to them about those ideas, we ourselves hold sacred but which they do not. They don't want to hear us bugging them. So if you must persist in preaching to people who have asked you to stop (such as on a creationist thread) be prepared to have them make sacrilegious sport of your most preciously held beliefs.


Matthew 10:5-6 is quickly cleared up by reading past the scripture to the rest of the context:


Jesus Sends Out the Twelve
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1He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil[a] spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
2These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; 3Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; 4Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.

5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' 8Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. 9Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.

11"Whatever town or village you enter, search for some worthy person there and stay at his house until you leave. 12As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. 16I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

17"Be on your guard against men; they will hand you over to the local councils and flog you in their synagogues. 18On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.


He has not left the Gentiles out of the equation at all as we see in verse 18. I have already given background on this. Jesus comes first to the Jews. They were the chosen out of which YHVH culled his priestly royal bloodlines in which to be born. He has come for the whole world, but the ministry of those twelve originally called by Jesus is to go among their own people FIRST. This is only stage one of his ministry, and even it has a plan in it for the gentile nations as evidenced by the bolded in the quoted passage above.


As before, to understand Matthew 15:24 and 15:26 all it really takes is to look at the entire story:

Matthew 15:21-28 (New International Version)
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21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."

23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."

24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.

26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.




We have already discussed above how the first portion of Jesus earthly ministry was for the Jews as he is "King of the Jews." However, as I commented before on these particular scriptures even before they were given me. This exchange is not unlike one we might here in a Shakespearean comedy. He is not being bigoted, but they are having sport with each other. They love each other and he gives her what she requests. She displays uncommon faith, and this is put on display for the Jews who are watching him looking for anything for which they might condemn him. (See Matthew 15:1-20 for proof).

Jesus also heals the servant (slave) of a Roman Centurian via is faith in his authority, even thought the servant is not present for Jesus. Jesus also visits the Samaritan woman at the well and tells his disciples the parable of the Good Samaritan. Samaritans were like the Mormons of the Jewish world. They had their own odd teachings. But Jesus loved them as much as he did the Jews. He cared only for people's hearts, not for their hypocritcal outward shows of propriety when inward the were seething.

Sound familiar? (This is also the same story as Mark 7 listed by the Luciferians.)


Quote:
Matthew 23:9 Call no one father.



This is also a question posed frequently by Protestants who think they can trip up Catholics for referring to their Holy Priests as Padre or Father. LAWL. blaugh So we cannot say, "Founding Fathers?" We cannot call our sperm donor "Father?"

Interestingly the entire passage is referring to hypocrits, so for those who wish to parse nonsense, please buy yourselves a clue:


Seven Woes
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1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"


Luciferians
Christ implored you become pushy and demanding towards your friends, as it is easier to get things from them Luke 11:5-10



No, this is a parable. Do Luciferians know what a parable is I wonder? Wow. This is just total mendacity most foul. Unbelievable misrepresentation. Jesus is telling people about how knocking at our neighbors door for something we want, even in the middle of the night, or a woman pestering a corrupt judge can result in her getting justice for her case to being persistant in prayer to God, who is not like the sleepy neighbor, for God never sleeps; and is not like the corrupt judge, for God judges righteously. We are his sons and daughters and he wishes to give all things to us that are good. Jesus is urging us to not give up when we don't get what we want immediately but to persist in prayer to seek unity with Him. Jesus is always One with the Father, except at the moment of His death on Calvary.


Luke 11
Jesus' Teaching on Prayer
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1One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples."
2He said to them, "When you pray, say:
" 'Father,[a]
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
3Give us each day our daily bread.
4Forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.[c]
And lead us not into temptation.[d]' "

5Then he said to them, "Suppose one of you has a friend, and he goes to him at midnight and says, 'Friend, lend me three loaves of bread, 6because a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have nothing to set before him.'

7"Then the one inside answers, 'Don't bother me. The door is already locked, and my children are with me in bed. I can't get up and give you anything.' 8I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness[e] he will get up and give him as much as he needs.

9"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

11"Which of you fathers, if your son asks for[f] a fish, will give him a snake instead? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"




Matthew 18:23-35. However this is a parable about Forgiveness and the Kingdom of Heaven. An wealthy man forgives an enormous debt of one of his high class servants (slaves). It is an amount which the commentaries tell us is more than a year's wages. However, after being forgiven his debt by his master, the slave then goes out and beats another more minor servant (slave) who is under his authority to pay back a pittance. When the master learns of this behavior, he is enraged and metes out justice which he has the right to do so, under the Pater Familias and sends him to work until he can pay back the very last penny.

This is related to the Our Father prayer: "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors." If we will not forgive, then our Heavenly Father cannot forgive. Why? Because Heaven is for Love alone. Unforgiveness, bitterness and anger cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.


www.rc.net/wcc/readings/matt1821.htm
Scripture: Matthew 18:21-35
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21 Then Peter came up and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?" 22 Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.23 "Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants. 24 When he began the reckoning, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents; 25 and as he could not pay, his lord ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant fell on his knees, imploring him, `Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.' 27 And out of pity for him the lord of that servant released him and forgave him the debt. 28 But that same servant, as he went out, came upon one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and seizing him by the throat he said, `Pay what you owe.' 29 So his fellow servant fell down and besought him, `Have patience with me, and I will pay you.' 30 He refused and went and put him in prison till he should pay the debt. 31 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their lord all that had taken place. 32 Then his lord summoned him and said to him, `You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me; 33 and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?' 34 And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart."
Meditation: How does mercy and justice go together? The prophet Amos speaks of God forgiving transgression three times, but warns that God may not revoke punishment for the fourth (see Amos 1:3-13; 2:1-6). When Peter posed the question of forgiveness, he characteristically offered an answer he thought Jesus would be pleased with. Why not forgive seven times! How unthinkable for Jesus to counter with the proposition that one must forgive seventy times that. Jesus made it clear that there is no reckonable limit to forgiveness. And he drove the lesson home with a parable about two very different kinds of debts. The first man owed an enormous sum of money -- millions in our currency. In Jesus' time this amount was greater than the total revenue of a province -- more than it would cost to ransom a king! The man who was forgiven such an incredible debt could not, however bring himself to forgive his neighbor a very small debt which was about one-hundred-thousandth of his own debt. The contrast could not have been greater! No offence our neighbor can do to us can compare with our debt to God! We have been forgiven a debt which is beyond all paying; to ransom our debt of sin God gave up his only begotten Son. If God has forgiven each of us our debt, which was very great, we, too must forgive others the debt they owe us. Jesus teaches that one must forgive in order to be forgiven. If we do not forgive our fellow man we cannot expect God to forgive us. James says that judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy (James 2:13). Mercy is truly a gift and it is offered in such a way that justice is not negated. Mercy "seasons" justice as "salt" seasons meat and gives it flavor. Mercy follows justice and perfects it. To pardon the unrepentant is not mercy but license. C.S. Lewis, a contemporary Christian author wrote: "Mercy will flower only when it grows in the crannies of the rock of Justice: transplanted to the marshlands of mere Humanitarianism, it becomes a man-eating weed, all the more dangerous because it is still called by the same name as the mountain variety." If we want mercy shown to us we must be ready to forgive others as God has forgiven us. Do you hold any grudge or resentment towards anyone?
"Lord, you have been kind and forgiving towards me. May I be merciful as you are merciful. Free me from all bitterness and resentment that I may truly forgive from the heart those who have caused me injury or grief."

The idiot Luciferians lie, and accuse Jesus of the sin gluttony by taking the scriptures totally out of context. Luciferians, as I have demonstrated repeatedly in this thread are liars, vipers and hypocrits. Protestants are not as bad as bad of liars as Luciferians.


Matthew 11:1-19
NIV
And as these went their way, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to behold? a reed shaken with the wind?

8 But what went ye out to see? a man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they that wear soft raiment are in king's houses.

9 But wherefore went ye out? to see a prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

10 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way before thee.

11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not arisen a greater than John the Baptist: yet he that is but little in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and men of violence take it by force.

13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

14 And if ye are willing to receive it, this is Elijah, that is to come.

15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

16 But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the marketplaces, who call unto their fellows

17 and say, We piped unto you, and ye did not dance; we wailed, and ye did not mourn.

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a demon.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold, a gluttonous man and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! And wisdom is justified by her works.



Luke 7:24-35
NIV
24 And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to behold? a reed shaken with the wind?

25 But what went ye out to see? a man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they that are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts.

26 But what went ye out to see? a prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.

27 This is he of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way before thee.

28 I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there is none greater than John: yet he that is but little in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

29 And all the people when they heard, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected for themselves the counsel of God, being not baptized of him.

31 Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation, and to what are they like?

32 They are like unto children that sit in the marketplace, and call one to another; who say, We piped unto you, and ye did not dance; we wailed, and ye did not weep.

33 For John the Baptist is come eating no bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a demon.

34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold, a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

35 And wisdom is justified of all her children.






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commentCommented on: Fri May 21, 2010 @ 09:25am
> Part of not condemning people is not harping and preaching to them about those ideas, we ourselves hold sacred but which they do not. They don't want to hear us bugging them. So if you must persist in preaching to people who have asked you to stop (such as on a creationist thread) be prepared to have them make sacrilegious sport of your most preciously held beliefs.

Huzzah, that was hit directly on the nose!

I haven't read through these all, but I'm working towards it. Even though my beliefs are completely different, I respect others, save for those who challenge mine(then a full out spirit war is brought upon), and must say that in my open mindedness, I've enjoyed reading what I have thus far.


commentCommented on: Mon Jul 19, 2010 @ 08:58am
Try to act more like him.



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