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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:19 am
sorry for that..but i tell you that's not my main intention..again sorry. hope i didn't offend the guild forum..ciao  
PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:32 am


REP. Prospero Pichays basketball analogy of Philippine elections, with candidates as players and the Commission on Elections as referee, is interesting in that it is apt, inasmuch as it is an indictment of the enduring political culture and the backwardness of our electoral system over which the credibility-challenged poll body continues to preside.

The constitutional framers may have been right in making the Comelec an independent, constitutional body to insulate it and the electoral process from political interference. But they nonetheless instituted a defect in vesting the Comelec with both administrative and quasi-judicial powers that, electoral reform advocates say, has made the exercise of its functions as an independent body merely pro forma or only in name.

The Comelec is primarily mandated to administer all elections, plebiscites and referendums, and to inquire into and resolve electoral disputes and controversies. Such very broad powers, particularly in deciding who wins and who loses in the elections, thus gives the Comelec a big say in deciding the political leadership of the country.

Kaya very tempting target ito na pakialaman ng mga pulitiko (Thats why its a very tempting target for meddling by politicians, says Ramon Casiple, executive director of the Institute for Political and Electoral Reforms (IPER).

The way electoral disputes are handled by tribunals, with Congress acting as canvassing body for the presidential and vice presidential tally, also casts serious doubts on the Comelecs independence and impartiality. Politicians (elected as members of the House of Representatives and Senate) sit in these tribunals that render judgment on the cases of political allies or opponents.

There are also neither criteria nor safeguards in the selection process of commissioners similar to the system followed in appointing members of the judiciary. Here, its arbitrary. Anybody can make a recommendation and the president is not bound to follow it, says Casiple.

It is no wonder that the composition of the Comelec over the years has become vulnerable to political patronage. But its an issue worth another post. Suffice it to say, the whole process has not actually been shielded from politics. In fact, claims Casiple, it delivered the Comelec and the whole electoral system at the laps of politicians.

For this reason, the Consortium for Elections and Political Process Strengthening (CEPPS) mission that monitored the 2004 elections has made the following recommendations:

* make the Comelec a purely administrative entity,
* do away with the congressional canvass of presidential and vice presidential votes, since the counting and tabulation is the responsibility of the election administration,
* return to the judiciary Comelecs quasi-judicial function of deciding on electoral protests through the creation of special electoral tribunals, and
* restructure the composition of the electoral tribunals (House and Senate) so it will not expose the process to bias, real or perceived.

Since these measures address the poll bodys legal framework and hence will require amending the constitution, the international mission sees in a charter change initiative the vehicle for introducing broad, meaningful electoral reforms in the country. The final CEPPS mission report is available here.

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1.
ph_perkypeach said,

July 4, 2005 @ 6:44 pm

For the love of God - if not for the country, can you make this happen? Or is this going to be one of those pitiful efforts of political charades that we (the people) should watch in anticipation?

The question is - not what, but WHEN.

Enough of the talks and views, do something about it? With all due respect - so what if the intellegent, thinking few of UP comes up with this message? What next?

In case you havent noticed - the majority of the upper class is **not** listening. They have their own businesses, assets, to protect. The foreign investors will **not** cooperate - too much IS at stake for them!

So what now? The people has to decide. I am **not** a fanatic of People Power Movement - but (hell) - the country has proven that only the people (and dont say the masses - WE are the people, the MASSES (better known as the MASA) is part of the PEOPLE. If you call for the PEOPLE to act and de-throne GMA, Ill be part of that.

Then you ask - so after that, what next? The public asks who will lead the country? Let the Constitution do its part, for a change. Put the VP. If the VP dies, put the Senate President. If he dies - put the guy next in line.

[Pardon my ignorance for hierarchy.]

Bottomline is - lets deal with this issue NOW. Its NOW or NEVER. Another day, another week - another month. For petes sake or my dead grandfather in heaven , may he rest soul for OUR sake, dammit. Lets DO something NOW.
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jay cynikho said,

July 5, 2005 @ 8:22 am

sa mga taga CEPPS

saan po ninyo pinulot ang inyong rekomendasyon?

wala po kayong rekomendasyon sa mga criminal na yumurak sa COMELEC at sa saligang batas. sa mga LUMABAG SA BATAS?

baka marining kayo ni Capt (Navy 1st Lt) Trillanes III, baka sabihin niya YAKKING, NG YAKKING lang kayo. SAYANG daming aso sasyon BULAG. Baguhin ang batas, palitan ang opisyales, ilipat sa Cebu, TULOY ANG LIGAYA NG MGA KRIMINAL.

ANG COMELEC PUEDE NYONG ISANGKUTSA, IPRITO OR IAH-ADOBO, PERO PAG WALA KAYONG GINAWA SA MGA TARANTADO, KAWA AWA PA RIN ANG FILIPINO.

Hindi po para sa inyo mga taga CEPPS ayaw kong sabihin sa kunting kilala ko pero para sa bayan palaging naririnig ko.
mabuti daw yung loko-loko may gamot na wasto pero ang tanga, tanga hanggang nitso.
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indio_lawless said,

July 5, 2005 @ 11:21 am

Whether CEPPS like it or not, its motives will always be under suspicion by Filipino electorate.

Check the final report, particularly on page 4, and you will find that among their contacts is no other than Manong Garci!

Whether Manong Garci actively participated in the final report is another thing worth investigating.

But as always, Manong Garci can always resort to denial.
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annie said,

July 5, 2005 @ 1:34 pm

Loko naman pala tumakbo utak nitong si Pechay, ang SIMPLE lang pala tuktok niyan!. Pasahan lang ng bola ang alam, para nga naman pag natiklo sila pasa nila bola sa COMELEC, na sila lang ang nagmanipula sa pandaraya hindi si Gloria na NAGMAKAAWA, NAGPAKONSYENSYA, NAGPARAMADAM kay tandnag Garcillano na sa simpleng pakikipag usap lang niya, dapat lumamang siya kay DA KING ng 1M! Pero di naman sinabi ni GMA na mandaya ka para sa akin ha GARCI! PUTEK!!!Utak iyon ng mga mangmang, tanga at manhid kung paniniwalaan mo tropa nila Gloria sa rason nilang pinoprotektahan lang daw niya boto niya. My gulay Pechay, Mike bingot Defensor and Tandang Raul G, at mga huklubang congressman na gumagamit pa ng pamadang tancho at VETO sa kili kili-Pano kayo napadpad diyan sa pwesto ninyo????Para kayong me mga pigsa sa kili-kili na pag pabor ke Gloria ang batas at patataubin ang taumbayan taas kamay agad kayo. Subalit pag ang batas ay patataubin si Gloria, para kayong mga baklang pusa at dalahirang panay ang ngiyaw at angal with matching kwentong kutsero para ma-delay at barilin ang batas sa plenaryo.

Salamat na lang me mga batang congressman pa kaming maaasahang magsiwalat ng katotohanan at may maliwanag na pananaw na nasa minorya sa pangunguna ni Cong.Escudero, Cayetano, Guingona, Villanueva, etc. Hindi ba kayang tularan ng mga matatandang congressmen ang mag batang ito sa kanilang paninindigan. Huwag kayong magsilbing huwaran sa PANDARAYA sa pamamagitan ng pagbaligtad sa katotohanan sa tulong lamang ng dami ng bilang ng MAYORYA tuwing botohan. Suka na kami sa mga gurang diyan sa Congress!!!Sa totoo lang kaya lang kami nagtitiyagang manood sa Congress dahil sa mga pananaw ng mga tulad nila Cong CHIZ, and the other young brilliant and dynamic lawmakers who have the potential to lead this nation.Nasisira ang mood namin pag si Pechay, Libanan, Antonino, Baterina, Umali, Datumanong at Dy (ang tatanda di ba!!!) na ang hahawak ng mikropono! Parang dapat regaluhan na lang sila ng mikropono at pauwiin na lang kasi dapat nagbabakasyon daw sila sabi ni Dy.

Petchay konti na lang MANGMANG sa Pinoy, wag kaming mangmangin dahil mas mangmang ang tingin namin sa tropa ninyo.

Wala bang magaling-galing man lang na maipepresenta si GMA na tagapagtanggol niya? Bukod sa kulang laman ng mga tuktok, ang YAYABANG pang maghaharap sa TV at magpainterview, di sila nakakaaliw, NAKAKABUGNOT sila. Para bang nabili nila Pilipinas at sila na may ari ng bayan.

Wag asarin ang mamayang Pilipino, Pechay! Nagsisismula na ang KARMA ng rehimeng ito, di man mapaalis si Gloria sa lalong madaling panahon, daig pa niya ang namumuno sa impiyerno sa kunsumisyong ibibigay ng taumbayan sa kanya!

Kung ayaw niyang mag-resign, pwede siyang magharakiri, uminom ng baygon, magpasagasa sa LRT/MRT, tumalon sa mataas na building sa Makati,or sumama na lang ke Mike Arroyo sa Amerika. Maraming paraan for a graceful exit!But please bring your tutas GMA!
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Bullet said,

July 5, 2005 @ 1:43 pm

After the hello garci scam, no one respect the COMELEC anymore, wala na silang credibility, at dapat hindi ang Pangulo ng Pilipinas ang nag-aapoint sa mga members ng Comelec, kundi isang independent body. Nagiging bias sila sa personal interest ng iba.. kawawa ang bayan.
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matamlay said,

July 5, 2005 @ 3:54 pm

Tama yong analogy ni pichay.
Kaya lang binayaran yong referee para matalo yong kalaban.
Yong puntos ng iba napupunta sa kanila.
Kaso nga lang tiklo naman.
Nakakahiya!!!!
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ally said,

July 6, 2005 @ 10:29 am

Tuesday, 07 05, 2005

Dear Luli:

I thought of writing you this letter, after all the issues about your mother have cropped up. I sympathize how you are feeling right now, and remembering what Mikey (your brother) has quoted where he was featured in another newspaper, heaping praises on your level-headedness, I deemed it but fair to write you this.

Being such, since your mother has been so stubborn insisting that she ?won fair and square;? that she has the right to govern the Philippines. I believe your duty is to remind your mother that all lies cannot be hidden, nor can she stay in denial forever. If she is really a devout Catholic as she proclaims she is, then by the grace of the Almighty, please do something.for her to regain her sanity, and not be insane with power that she has grabbed!

It might be a good feeling to be a daughter and granddaughter of two Presidents, but deep inside the inner recesses of your heart and conscience, do you really believe all these lies propagated by your mother and her lapdogs? Parang awa mo na, pansinin nyo naman ang mga mahihirap at naghihirap sa Pilipinas. You dont know how it is to be poor, do you? Truth hurts, but it is what your mother should face, and not hide from. The fact that she does not even confirm nor deny her voice on the tape (which by the way has already reached overseas!), it is high time you do something, as a daughter.

Please, please, please, tell your mom and brother and uncle, also your father, to leave the country and the citizens alone. They are already rich anyway. Enough of government corruption, please.

And should you fail to do something, will you be brave enough to tell your children where you have failed?

Thank you for whatever good you will do to the citizens!

Myrna Contreras
Auckland, New Zealand
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ally said,

July 6, 2005 @ 10:36 am

Gloria alisin mo kaya ang nunal mo baka iyon ang nagpapamalas sa iyo. Nakaka awa ka. Mga reptiles kasi ang nakapaligid sa iyo.
ang aSAWA mo, ang ANAK konda mo, ang BAYAW wak mo. At ano ang kinakain ng reptiles kundi and pechay mo. HA! Ha! nakakatulog pa ba kayo? Marami na ang hindi kumakain na pinoy, pero ano?? Ang aSAWA mo, ang ANAk konda mo, at ang BAYAW wak mo nagpapakasasa sa dapat para sa tao. Di tama sina Trillanes at Lacson at lahat ng mga nagbulgar ng baho ng pekeng first Family. Magsalamin ka para makita mo ang mga taong bayan. Please lang! Sorry sa mga nasabi ko, lets move on.
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tobebs said,

July 6, 2005 @ 6:20 pm

Ang pinakamatinding dahilan marahil bakit hindi umaangat ang Piluipino ay dahil ang mga namumuno sa atin ay pansariling kapakanan lang at ng mga nakapaligid sa kanila ang nasa isip. As the saying goes IF MONEY TALKS EVERYBODY LISTENS.
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brulyo said,

July 6, 2005 @ 9:45 pm

THE NEW ORDER

RESTORING DECMOCRACY IN THE PHILIPPINES

Present political system forestalls the growth of the nation and its people. Poor economic condition is a resultant of political incompetence, amateurism and misadventure of elected and appointed govt officials.

A crisis of extra ordinary proportions now confronts the Filipino nation. The constitutional order and the rule of law are gone; the political institutions destroyed; the economy in disaster; the peoples basic needs unmet; and above all, our country is marching towards uncertainty.

The status quo can no longer be maintained. The Constitution must be amended, the political system must be restructured, a credible reform agenda and a morally upright and effective leadership put in place.

The Filipino peoples sovereign will, which we soldiers and concerned citizens swore to protect, must reassert itself, and set in motion the necessary change that will ultimately restore the moral and constitutional order and the rule of law.

We are launching our own operation to save and rehabilitate the Filipino nation. We are laying down our Vision to be adhered upon and must be done. We are enjoining all sectors of the society to be aware of the our vision and help disseminate it to our people. We must take an active part in pursuing real change. This is Operation Para sa Bayan.

We declare and strongly believed that the direction and future of our country rest on the institutionalized Political Party and its platform. Stable and strong political system is the focal point of all developments. Hence, more effort should first focus on the establishment of a desired political system and climate.

1. On straightening the Political system:

A THOROUGH CONSTITUTIONAL AND POLITICAL REFORM.

Institutionalize Political party.

a. There shall only be two Political Parties. No party list. Membership is onetime. Membership age shall be from 21 yrs old and up to 65 yrs old. Each member must be a college graduate, natural-born Filipino, and a resident of the Philippines for at least ten (10) consecutive years and non-holder of any other citizenship. No two or more persons related up to 3rd degree of consanguinity shall become members of the same Party.

b. Only Party members selected thru Party Convention can run for public office from Local to National levels.

c. Any member who volunteers to quit or whose membership is terminated by the Party shall no longer be eligible to run for public office in his lifetime.

d. Anyone whose profession is in the media shall be automatically disqualified to party membership unless he/she resigns from his/her profession three (3) years prior elections when he/she intends to run subject to party rules and the preceding paragraph.

2. On Suffrage.

The right of suffrage shall be exercised by all Filipinos who are at least twenty one (21) years of age up to sixty five (65) years old.

Absentee voting is prohibited.

3. On Govt structure.

Executive headed by the President

President - eight-year term, one term only for a lifetime.
V-Pres - co-terminus with the President. Running mate of the President shall be automatically becomes the Vice President. Will assume presidency when the President resigns, impeached, or dies. Will finish the term of the President and cannot run for Presidency for a lifetime.
Governors and Mayors maximum of two five- year term for a lifetime in the same office. Vice Gov- running mate of the governor.

Board Members and Councilors five year (5) term but can serve for a maximum of three (3) terms, consecutive or not, subject to party rules.

Appointed Officials - co terminus with the President. If the president resigns, impeached or dies before his term ends, VP (now the Pres) may replace them.
Appointed officials who are non-party members can only join any of the two political party three (3) years after the end of the term of the appointing authority.
Appointed officials need no confirmation from the Congress.
Appointed officials cannot be impeached.
Appointing authority is the President.

Legislative Branch headed by a Speaker.

Congress shall be merged into one legislative body. Representation shall be limited to one (1) per province and one (1) per highly urbanized city. Congress is headed by a Speaker elected by majority vote of the Congress.

Members of the Congress are elected for one five-year full term. No reelection. If he resigns, impeached or dies, special elections will be held.

Judiciary headed by a Chief Justice.

Justices must not be a member of any political party. Justices will be selected by majority vote by the Congress thru the recommendation of JBC. Justices will serve until they reach the age of retirement of sixty five (65) years old.

Justices may be impeached by the congress.

Constitutional Commissions and Independent bodies:

Chairmen of constitutional commissions and independent bodies shall be selected by majority vote by the Congress thru the recommendation of the President. Must not be a member of any political party. Twelve (12) years fixed term.

4. On government and people in the government.

Appointed officials may or may not be members of a political party.

Government employees shall not participate in any activity against the government. Hence, Labor unions are outlawed in all government agencies and institutions.

Priests, imams, pastors and those who are directly involved in any religious groups and services are prohibited to hold in any government posts in any capacity.

The bureaucracy should be downsized and depoliticized, and government must make it sure that its workers are as highly qualified, motivated, and compensated as their counterparts in the private sector.
All government records shall be computerized, and implement the National ID system.

Except for military properties, all structures, vehicles and other properties built, procured by, or donated to the Phil government shall be appropriately marked PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. There shall be no printed or painted names of a Public or Private individuals on the said government properties.

5. On Executive Authority.

Department Heads shall have the authority to suspend or dismiss any appointed employee under his department. His authority for civil service eligible and career officials shall be limited to suspension for a maximum of six (6) months without pay.

For the AFP members, military law applies.

6. On the police force.

The police force shall be absorbed back to the AFP as a major branch of service.

Hence, CPNP, and all RDs, PDs and chiefs of police, shall be appointed by the AFP.

7. On AFP.

Unify all armed forces under AFP whose principal task is to enforce the law and maintain the peace. Hence, a Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) shall be established.

The CSAFP shall be appointed by the President among the members of the JCS and will serve a straight four (4) year fixed term. Members of the JCS shall serve for a three (3) year fixed term. The Joint Chiefs of Staff shall be composed of the Chiefs of Army, Navy, Airforce, Police, VCSAFP and TDCSAFP.

All officers shall have a mandatory retirement age of 56 years old except for the CSAFP whose term is fixed to four (4) years and members of the JCS whose term is fixed to three (3) year unless appointed by the President as CSAFP.

All AFP officers who wished to join a Political Party shall resign their commissionships before reaching the rank of Colonel. Otherwise, they shall not be eligible to join any Political Party for life.

Promotions and designations of AFP officers require no congressional confirmation.

8. On Peace and Order.

No peace negotiations with the rebels.

Intensify the physical development and rehabilitation of the old theatres of conflict, while shifting the focus of military activity from combat, to development. More engineering and civic action units should be created.

Enlist the support and cooperation of former enemies of the state in combating criminality and lawlessness, especially in their respective localities.

9. On Media

Members of the press should have no affiliation in any political party.

Media releases should be limited to responsible news reporting and positive commentaries.

Opinionated news, speculative reporting and trial by publicity are considered crime. All accusations should be referred to courts of law. There should be no media coverage for any allegations.

Newscasting should not draw speculation that will create confusion among the people. It must be a plain reporting for the people to decide.
10. On Justice system.

The best 24-hour free legal aid should be made available to all who cannot afford to hire a lawyer, whether to bring a case against another or to defend oneself in court.

Abolish all fees arbitrarily imposed by the courts for the filing of criminal complaints.

Strengthen the Public Attorneys Office. Help post bail for indigent respondents in criminal cases, through a Special Fund specifically set up for that purpose. .

Parties of a case are only given three (3) times to postpone hearings.

Appeals and petitions for review shall be limited to three (3) times for finality of judgment.

11. On Crimes.

Capital punishment shall be in the form of Firing squad. Executions shall be covered by all TV stations in the country. Members of the firing squad should come from the AFP.

Capital offenses include murder, rape, drug trafficking, kidnapping, smuggling and illegal logging.

No pardons for death convicts.

National Bilibid Prison shall be transferred to Iwahig, Palawan.

Whenever crime is committed, the AFP has the power to physically produce uncooperative witnesses present within 1km radius from the scene of the crime for immediate investigation and filing of the case.

12. On Economy.

Make the economy globally competitive.

Upgrade the infrastructure to include at least one cross-country railroad, new national and regional road networks, ports and airports, irrigation dams land power plants, hi tech communications and high grade tourism facilities.

Maximize use of foreign assistance/grants to support high-impact infrastructure projects.

Target a yearly GDP growth of at least ten (10) percent, through higher productivity, more favorable terms of trade, and more efficient and effective economic management.

Revisit the BOT law, notably its take or pay provision, and review all contracts entered into under that law, and all turnkey arrangements, and reaffirm incentives to foreign firms that invest in major infrastructure projects, without however requiring government to exempt them from financial risks or to guarantee their return on investment.

Accelerate the development of the countrys energy resources oil, natural gas, geothermal, deuterium, etc.; revoke the costly political decision to prohibit the use of nuclear power and mothball the Bataan nuclear power plant.

Initiate and intensify serious research on alternative sources of energy, including fuel-free self-powering energy from the vacuum (EFTV) systems, and reduce immediately the price of electricity by reviewing the operations of independent power producers and removing all unnecessary charges being passed on to consumers by the utility firms.

Liberalize all land, sea and air transport policies and guarantee full interconnectivity of all communication carriers and service providers, and the highest efficiencies in transport and communication services.

Target selected industries such as mining, agribusiness, electronics, tourism, higher education, medical care, care-giving, and retirement support services as a primary focus of development, and provide incentives to investments in these industries equal, if not superior, to those offered by other countries.

Utilize the nations diplomatic service to enlarge the countrys external markets, secure more foreign direct investments, economic grants and aid, and debt relief, protect Filipino workers, products and services, and recover monies that have been salted abroad by rich and corrupt Filipinos;

Help Filipino producers and exporters produce and export more, by teaching them exactly what to produce and export for optimum profits;

Make local government, from the Barangay up, the spearhead of economic development.

Make available land for agriculture.

Commerce and businesses shall be given more freedom provided that it will not jeopardize and render disadvantage to the Filipinos.

Major airports and port areas will be designated in manner that it discourages conglomeration of people.

Federalism shall be instituted. Provinces shall be given economic autonomy.

13. On Foreign Debts and Deficit.

The National Debts should be cut.

There must be a cap on foreign borrowing.

Borrow from local sources only to avoid undue foreign exchange risks, except when foreign borrowing cannot be avoided, to finance the foreign exchange cost of public expenditures.

Tap the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas to undertake the foreign borrowing, so as to make sure the foreign exchange and external debt are well-managed, and the stability of the peso is maintained.

Work for meaningful debt relief, beginning with a reduction of the yearly debt service, and finally including the possible forgiveness of a portion of the external debt.

The Deficit must be brought under control.

Determine the exact magnitude of the deficit, and decide how much will be reduced.

Observe the strictest standards of austerity, in order to realize savings, teach people to live within their means, and institutionalize a new lifestyle in government.

Properly classify the outstanding public sector debt. Determine the quality of all the components of the national debt so the they could be provided for in future NG budgets.

Adopt utmost transparency and consistency in the accounting treatment of all relevant transactions.

Increase the tax base, effort and efficiency, by eliminating the smuggling syndicates, removing all unjustified tax exemptions, raising the excise tax on tobacco, liquor and gasoline, and finally abolishing the tax on income from labor and taxing consumption and net worth instead.

Redirect to the General Fund, PAGCORs and PCSOs contributions to the Presidents Social Fund, so they could be used more wisely to support public spending under the General Appropriations Act.

Amend the formula for determining the IRA so that it will be distributed equitably among the rich and poor LGUs; and create a nationwide mechanism to ensure utmost transparency in the utilization of the IRA by all LGUs.

Eliminate all bureaucratic waste by downsizing government and professionalizing the civil service; privatizing every agency or activity that can be privatized, shutting down all windows of graft, such as the unusually large intelligence fund of various officials and offices, and arbitrarily priced licenses and permits, etc., streamlining procurement procedures, and abolishing all political confidential positions.

Dispose of all non-performing and only non-performing assets, in highly transparent, corruption-free and profitable auctions.

Conclude a just and satisfactory settlement of the various wealth recovery cases that have not moved forward in court since 1986, and get the most money out of it.

14. On educational system.

Promote free education.

All dependents of government officials and employees are required to study and finish primary and secondary levels in public schools.

Every child must be given basic education. Those who are likely to drop out of school for reasons of poverty should be paid a small sum to compensate for the time they take out of the farm or their house chores in order to go to school. They should be fed in school.

Make full use of distance learning and transform every home into a learning center, through the home schooling program.

Propagate the dual training program (for various technical skills) and the family farm school program (for agriculture) nationwide, with full state support.

Thoroughly upgrade teachers education and offer appropriate incentives to attract the best possible materials to join and stay profession.

Encourage as many world-renowned universities as possible to open local campuses in the Philippines, in order to make the country a major educational center in this part of the world.

15. On military service.

All men at the age of 21 shall be enlisted into the regular force of the AFP as combatants for two (2) years.

16. On agrarian reform.

All Filipinos are allowed to own a parcel of land not to exceed ten (10) hectares each. All excess lands shall become a public property.

Corporations may own up to 1000 hectares provided the land is used for agricultural production or energy exploration.

17. On Labor.

Protect the interest of the workers in private firms or corporation. Promote and make enough jobs locally and protect workers abroad.

Create a world-class English-speaking, computer-literate work force, providing the most highly competitive education and training for its workers.

Create jobs that raise productivity and living standards and encourage Filipinos to seek employment in the private sector at home rather than in government or abroad.

Protect the rights of those who choose to work abroad. It should sign labor agreements with as many labor-importing countries as possible to enlarge the external jobs market and secure maximum benefits and protection for Filipino workers

Work for the lifting of all immigration barriers that prevent the free movement of migrant Filipino workers and their dependents.

18. On Revenue Collection

Bureau of Customs, BIR, and other revenue collecting agencies shall be absorbed by Dept of Treasury. Legislate measures to help facilitate fast and efficient collection of taxes and prosecute tax evaders.

19. On Elections.

Commission on Elections shall be headed by a Chairman.

Decision of the Commission shall be final. All Courts of Justice have no Jurisdiction over electoral questions.

Replace the entire Commission on Electionsbefore holding new elections.

20. On Government Services.

Basic services like Water, Electricity/Power generation and Petroleum shall be nationalized and be controlled by the Government.

THE POOR MUST BE MADE PART-OWNERS OF THE ECONOMY

They must be protected from the shock of unsustainable price increases.

They must have immediate access to government assistance and support during natural calamities and man-man emergencies.

They must be taught various technical and managerial skills, encouraged to save and to become small producers and entrepreneurs.

MAKE OUR CITIES AND COUNTRYSIDE MORE LIVABLE.

A comprehensive zoning and land use law should once and for all put order to the countrys landscape.

Plan for a comprehensive urban development.

Prohibit the establishment of commercial centers within a radius of one kilometer from the entry and exit points of major thoroughfares and highways, and require shopping malls and similar establishments to build their own access roads to such thoroughfares and highways.

Integrate a Mass transport facilities.

Relocate factories, production sites and informal communities away from the crowded cities into new townships.

Invited foreign investors to develop these new townships and transport systems on a turnkey basis.

MORE PARKS, FOREST AND OPEN SPACES MUST BE BUILT.

Involve the citizens in maintaining the environment from the daily collection and disposal of garbage, to the maintenance of public infrastructure and facilities, to the nurture of the air, water, land, flora and fauna, etc.

Make communal reforestation/tree-planting a round-the-year citizens project and target at least a couple of million hectares each year for the next ten years.

Set up and enforce public standards for sanitation, hygiene and aesthetics, making sure that public buildings and facilities are properly maintained, that no condemned structures remain standing and inhabited, that consumerist advertising does not create anywhere jungles of unsightly billboards and signage that offend public morals and good taste.

Maintain all open spaces, parks and other public facilities and put them back to their original use where they had been arbitrarily converted into commercial areas in highly questionable, if not corrupt, LGU proceedings.

BUILD MORE ROADS AND SIDEWALKS, ENFORCE TRAFFIC LAWS, REGULATE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES INDIVIDUALS CAN OWN, INSTALL MASS TRANSPORT SYSTEMS.

Enforce strict road, air and sea traffic rules and regulations all over the archipelago.

Only one vehicle per individual for the personal use will be registered.

The state should lead the private sector in investing good money in scientific research, and task the scientific community to develop appropriate solutions to the most common problems like pollution, ecological destruction, water, fuel and food shortages, waste disposal, and traffic. Appropriate incentives for research and development should be developed.

21. On Food Security

No Filipino should starve.

Bring down the cost of food, and ensure enough supply for everybody at prices the poor can afford

Young children, the aged and the sick should get adequate and proper nourishment, free of any disease or vitamin deficiencies.

Upgrade investments in agricultural and food production, extend to farmers the necessary training, credit assistance, and associated services to help them shift from traditional to high-value crops, among other things.

Help the beneficiaries of land reform modernize their farms and combine their small landholdings into large compact farms to give them economies of scale and scope.

Provide micro financing for livelihood projects in the cities and countryside.

22. On Health Care

Design primary health care that the health services should be seeking the population instead of the population seeking the services. Satellite clinics should be available at barangay level.

Devote more time, effort and money to preventing and curing the leading killer diseases, which continue to kill the most number of Filipinos

Ensure 100% coverage of health insurance of the population.

Bring down the cost of medicine to what the poor can afford.

Develop the health delivery system beyond responding to the needs of the population. Promote the country as a center of quality medical services.

23. On International Relations.

Stand by all our treaty commitments.

Encourage and assist all Filipinos abroad to organize themselves into coherent and viable communities. This is the only way our national culture would be respected, our political presence felt, and our moral, intellectual and economic contributions appreciated by the host-countries.

24. On Countryside Development and Population Control.

Control urban migration by developing outer regions and educate couples on family planning.

Persuade donor governments and institutions to spend their money on honest-to-goodness human development.

25. On Graft and Corruption

Absolute non-tolerance of corruption and crime demands a total crackdown on all known criminal elements particularly those engaged in economic sabotage and plunder, money-laundering and counterfeiting, gun-running, illegal drugs traffic, illegal logging, illegal gambling, prostitution, kidnap-for-ransom, smuggling, tax evasion, racketeering, theft of intellectual property and other trans-national crimes.

Bring to justice the unpunished and untouchable crime lords.

Thieving officials and their cohorts should be made to return their loot, and have their ill-gotten properties confiscated, in addition to other grave penalties for their crimes.

Fully disclose all contracts entered into and open to public scrutiny.

Rate periodically all offices, agencies, departments, and their personnel not only in terms of efficiency but above all in terms of personal integrity.

Abolish Pork Barrel and Congress to act simply as an oversight body, to make sure that all public appropriations are spent as intended, and that every peso goes to the project for which it was appropriated.

This oversight function should extend to local governments, particularly in the use of their Internal Revenue Allotment (IRA), which is seen as the LGUs own pork.

Adopt the highest moral standards, reject all false distinctions between private morality, and operate as one big anti-corruption unit, instead of tasking one small, inept agency to do the job.

The Commission on Audit should be more proactive in causing the prosecution and punishment of those involved in graft. Like all others tasked to go after the corrupt elements in government, and COA personnel found guilty of covering up for any one who has committed graft shall suffer double the normal penalty for the offence.

Government officials, beginning with those at the very top, should live modest, austere and morally transparent lives. They should be held accountable for the unearned and unexplained influence or affluence of their close relatives and cronies.
The war on corruption must not exempt big businesses, civil society, and the media.

26. On Filipino Identity and Culture..

Bring back the highest standards of morality in our national life. No genuine progress is possible unless based on the correct social values and ethical principles.

Obliged the mass media and the entertainment arts to put moral, cultural and intellectual excellence.

Promote unconditional support to freedom of religion and the public practice of religious belief.

Our vision of man and society is beyond the purely material and economic order.

PARA SA BAYAN!
11.
emer said,

July 11, 2005 @ 6:56 pm

yang grupo ni pitchay petchay na kamukhang kamukha ng boxer ko yaksss nakakadiri na talaga at yang si mike defensor mukhang ungas na .. ang galing magsinungaling ng mga CHAKANG yan.. hoy mga pulpol na congressman nograles, antonino, pichay, fuentebella at yung mga guragis na kulang na lang ay itaol, nakakabuwisit na kayoito namang congresita namin sa pasay na mukhang may sayad sino fa e di si cinnie Dy . hoy Dy d ka bagay dyan no mukhang kang multong bakla!!!! at eto pa si LULI arroyo puede ba epal ka din.. nakakaalibadbad kang tignan.. puede ba sabihan mo sa nanay mo at tatay mo na ibalik na sa pilipinas yung ninakaw nila maawa naamn kayo sa mga pilipino hindi nyo madadala yan sa hukaymakonsensya naman kayo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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FORMER president Fidel Ramos rushed to President Gloria Arroyos side this afternoon, arriving unannounced at the Palace at around 5 p.m. He held an impromptu press conference in the presence of pro-administration lawmakers gathered at the Palaces Rizal Hall, among them Speaker Jose de Venecia and other members of the administration parties Lakas and KAMPI.

Ramos said he was calling for "sacrifice" but unlike other speeches made today, the call for a sacrifice was directed at elective officials.

"Everybody must sacrifice a piece of his or her office," said Ramos, referring to the possibility the terms of office of elective officials will be cut short under his proposed shift to a parliamentary form of government.

The shift to a parliamentary form via a constitutional convention was floated by Ramos last night as a way out of the political crisis. Under his proposal, change will come in a year while President Arroyo stays in power. A ConCon will immediately be convened to overhaul the constitution as a prelude to a shift in form of government. By May 2006, Ramos says, the country could have new elections and a new set of officials.

Ramoss hurried visit to Malacaang came a few hours after another former president, Cory Aquino, held her own press conference urging President Arroyo to make the "ultimate sacrifice" of resigning.

Shortly after Ramos spoke to the media and administration lawmakers, President Arroyo herself showed up at the Rizal Hall, shook hands with Ramos and posed for a photo opp. Though there seemed to be frantic meetings by Lakas officials at the Palace all day today, these didnt seem enough. Shorty before 6 pm, TV reports said the President was heading for the Sulo Hotel in Quezon City for more meetings with Ramos, de Venecia and administration lawmakers and supporters.

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1.
INSIDE PCIJ: Stories behind our stories End Game said,

July 8, 2005 @ 6:53 pm

[] They are also fending off other options, such as former President Fidel Ramoss proposal for a constitutional assembly and a presidential election to be scheduled next year. At the same time, they are seizing the initiative from the opposition and stalling extraconstitutional moves toward regime change. []
2.
Wilson said,

July 8, 2005 @ 11:28 pm

Be it known that today, 8 July 2005, there was a team of three persons who betrayed the people and country most insidiously, in order to advance their own personal agenda on the pretext of national interest.
3.
bukolitos said,

July 8, 2005 @ 11:59 pm

This proponents of this solution have a hidden agenda. Venencia wants to lead the country and the only he can do is for the Philippines to shift to parliamentary form of government. He can then use his resources like his influence toward his fellow congressman and the peoples money for his personal gain. If he likes to lead the country, he should run for the position. I say, let the Vice President run the country. He is the next person in line.
4.
marubdob said,

July 9, 2005 @ 12:19 am

ramos and de venecia are the best proofs why the system is no longer working. for all their political life they have peddled their own agenda and nothing else. the noise that they are trying to create should make us realize that we need to overhaul the entire system without the help from such personalities. this is another reason that we the people should take the initiative to exorcise our society of the trapos that these 2 represent.
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Pinoy OFW said,

July 9, 2005 @ 12:47 am

Excerpts from the SPEECH of SPEAKER JOSE DE VENECIA
during the 3RD YOUNG ECONOMISTS CONVENTION
January 24, 2004; Angelo King International Center

We are pushing for a unicameral, parliamentary, federal system of government with elections once every 5 years which is the tradition in all the parliamentary governments of the world, instead of the Philippines elections once every 3 years; very divisive, very expensive, very graft prone & if you include the barangay elections we have elections once every 2 years. No wonder, so expensive, so divisive, so tension-prone and tension-ridden throughout the Philippines including all the barangays.

And to illustrate my point very rapidly, let me say that all across Europe from England in the north to Ireland in the north across Scandinavia, going south to Italy, to Spain, Portugal, to Greece, to Malta, to Cyprus in the Mediterranean, all of these nations, without exemption, all of them do not like the presidential system, all of them are parliamentary governments.

If you go to Asia, if you look at the three economic and political powers in Asia - China, Japan, India - all of them are parliamentary governments. If you go to the successful economic tigers in Southeast Asia - Singapore, Malaysia & Thailand - all of them are parliamentary governments. In the case of Malaysia, it has a unicameral, federal parliamentary system. If you go further in South Pacific, Australia and New Zealand, all of them are parliamentary governments. If you look at the political landscape from Eastern Europe to Western Europe, from the nations that emerged as democracies with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the emergence of a Democratic Russia, the emergence Democratic Eastern and Western Europe, all of these nations without exception, ayaw nila ng presidential system, all of them are parliamentary governments. If you look at the Baltic Republics at the Baltic Sea, the three of them, all of them are parliamentary governments. If you look at all the govts that emerged in Central Asia and seceded from the old Soviet Union Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, etc. etc - all of them, with the exception of Tajikistan, are parliamentary governments.

So, the record is overwhelming. I cannot understand why 13 senators of the Filipino people continue to oppose parliamentary federal system. People in Mindanao Muslim Mindanao, Christian Mindanao, Lumad Mindanao they are jubilant every time Pres. Arroyo and we spouse a federal system, a parliament, unicameral system. The people in the Visayas, the people in the outer regions, the distant regions, the people in the Bicol regions, in the Cordilleras, in the Cagayan Valley, those distant from Manila, they will be the single biggest beneficiaries of a federal system of government against an overly central government in Manila.

So the due political experience of all these nations is very clear. The only outstanding exception is the United States of America. USA presidential system of govt, a very strong central govt, a federal system of government, but in the USA they can afford a presidential system and a 2 house parliament because they have more than 2(00) years of experience in presidential democracy. They have a very strong middle class and they have a major safety net. They have a federal system. Kaya maski na crisis sa Washington DC in America, it is OK. Remember when they did not pass the budget in America and the US Embassy close down here because they dont have a budget 4 years ago during the Clinton presidency? It was ok, why, because Texas is strong, California is strong, New York is strong. Why is it ok? All of these states are federal states and therefore not dependent on the central government in Washington. Whereas, here in the Philippines if there is a crisis in Manila, it affects the 79 provinces, it affects the 115 cities; it affects the 42,000 barangays through out the Philippines.

So the Americans exported to the Philippines in good faith and in all sincerity a presidential system of government and 2 houses, a bicameral system. But they did not export to us a federal system of government whereas in America they have a presidential system and they have a bicameral legislature but they have a federal system, which we do not have in the Philippines. The US, because of the Monroe doctrine, because of the Pan-American system, exported presidential democracy and a bicameral legislature to all their states, neighbor states just like in Central America and South America. So anong nagyari? Nag-away ng nag-away ang mga senador at congresista - katulad dito hindi lang sila nag-away, kaaway din nila ang presidente nila . Sa Latin America, what happen? You have seen all these chaos, paralysis, tension and conflict in the civil governments of South America. What happen? They took over power in Central America - from Mexico to Montevideo to Uruguay all of them became banana republics and became dictatorships - which is what is happening in the Philippines. Eight coup attempts during the presidency of Cory Aquino, now several coup attempts because of this structure of government, this constant battle, gridlock between the Senate & the House and the President of the Philippines. So that in the Philippines there are 3 programs - that of the Senate, of the House, and of the President of the Philippines. What happens if you are a President of a corporation, what happens if you have 2 board of directors? Thats exactly the problem of Pres. Arroyo. Shes got two boards of directors the House of Representatives & the Senate. How can a businessman, a President of a company propel his company forward if hes got two boards of directors? Mas mabuti pa yung mga barangay system sa Pilipinas, they only have 1 barangay councils, not 2 barangay councils. Mabuti pa ang mga provincial governments, at city governments at municipal governments, they have only one barangay council or provincial council or city council. But no, the President of the Philippines, by the very structure of government we inherited, we have two boards of directors, the Senate & the House.

Right now, I will share to you my experience. We have passed in the House of Representatives, as Speaker of the House, 1 thousand bills, approved in the House of Representatives, all pending in the Senate. One thousand bills, imagine the incredible cost that the Filipino people, that your father and mother and yourselves spent to pass 1 thousand bills in the House of Representatives still pending in the Senate & our Congress ends in February 6, a few days from now. Well go to the campaign, we will return on June 7 to proclaim the newly elected President but no Congress for law making. What happens to those bills that we approved in the House of Representatives pending in the Senate? We have to start all over again and file them again from day 1, all over again as if they were never filed at all.

Of these one thousand bills, 850 are local bills. These local bills may not be important to the Senators but its important to you because a local bill for example says an Act to build a high school in Brgy. so and so in Butuan; an Act to create a small rural health clinic in Brgy. so and so in Sulu. So for the senators, bale wala yan, nothing. But for the people living in the rural slumps of these neglected regions of the nation, these are very important bills. Out of these 150 bills, national bills that are pending of the 1 thousand bills, these are major bills: the Housing bill, the national railways bill, the securitization bill, and the Hernandez-Sotto bill in order to enable our 30,000 farmers to mortgage their land reform land in the commercial banks of the Philippines. The Transco bill that would have enabled the National Power Corporation to build power plants in Mindanao & the Visayas that will be in crisis two years from now, we will be in need in the Visayas & Mindanao. Well have blackouts and brownouts in the Visayas & Mindanao two years from now.

Imagine if we have a parliamentary system, if we have a 1 House parliament & a federal system like Malaysia, it will take us 15 to 30 days to make a bill and make it into law. Now, it takes three years. Three years at wala pa. Because we started in 2001 in May, we will expire in May 2004, these one thousand bills almost three years old, no chance of seeing the light of day. They have died and we have to re-file them all over again from day one as if they were never filed at all. Thats why Gloria Macapagal Arroyo - brilliant, capable, hard working, courageous, matapang - how it so difficult for her to move forward because of this gridlock, this paralysis, this stalemate, this Mexican stand off between the House & the Senate. And this is not only the paralysis of the House and the Senate, the stalemate of the legislative and the executive, whereas, under the parliamentary system, the executive & the legislative are one. In parliamentary system, the President and the Congress are one.

In the unicameral system, the Senate & the House of Representatives, the senators have P200 million of pork barrel each a year. The congressmen have P65 million pork barrel each a year. But it is ok because you see the congressmen are putting the roads, bridges, and schools in your cities and in your towns. But the senators, where are they putting their P200 million?

I propose that we abolish the Senate and the House of Representatives, our House, and we merge them into one house and it will be called the House of Parliament so that we will have a one unicameral house. We save about 10 to 15 billion pesos. We avoid paralysis, we avoid tension, we avoid conflict, we avoid the Mexican standoff and it propels the nation forward. Imagine the bills, the economics actions, one of the reasons why these sin taxes were not approved because we dont want to approve anymore any bill in the House of Representatives because we know that we will go into the battlefield in the House but nothing will happen at the Senate. It will not become law. We will going to be attacked by the columnists left and right on these sin taxes but we know it will never pass the Senate, like the one thousand bills which did not pass the Senate.

So it is this structure, it is not just the leadership, not just the personalities, not just the individuals. Yes, we need a change in the personalities, in the individuals but most importantly, we need a change in the structure and the system of govt. We need to go from a presidential to a parliamentary system. They say, Jose De Venecia is pushing for the parliamentary system because he cannot run as President and he wants to run as Prime Minister. This is baloney. I have been fighting for a parliamentary system now for 12 years. This is a long drawn out protracted conflict. This is a marathon. But we have won the 1st round. Pres. Ramos tried to change the system but he only reached 1st base. Pres. Estrada tried to change the system but he only reached 1st base. I am happy to report to you that we have already reached almost 4th base now. It was approved by the House of Representatives overwhelmingly by more than 90% of all the congressmen. It has been approved by more than 90% of all the governors of the Philippines; more than 90% of all the barangay officials, of the municipal and city mayors. Religious groups who were once against it are now in favor. Pres. Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, who was once against it, is now a champion of the unicameral parliamentary federal system for Luzon, Visayas & Mindanao.

Romy Neri and I, three years ago, wrote this, the economic action plan called 747. We call it 747 so that its easy to remember. 7% economic growth for 7 years because our arithmetic tells us if we can grow for 7% for 7 years, on the 7th year going towards the 10th year the poor people of the Philippines start moving and crossing the threshold into the middle class. This is the only hope for the Philippines. This is the only chance but we cannot achieve this without changing the structure of government, without changing the structure of the House & the Senate, without changing the structure of the Presidency, without changing the structure from a unitary system to a federal system of government.

They say, Mr. Speaker, your 747 is too ambitious. It is not possible. It cannot be done. When I was Speaker for the 1st time in 1992 with Romy Neri as Director Geneal of the economic platform staff, our rate growth is of 1% - meaning to say 0.5%. Under Pres. Ramos and when we formed the rainbow coalition in the House and we brought about the 6 political parties of the House, it went up to 2% to 4%. And when the Asian financial crisis exploded upon us we were about to hit 6%. So it can be done.

Ah, Mr. Speaker, still very ambitious, how about China with 1 billion 300 million people? They were able to make rates of growth of 7, 8, 9. Last week, they declared 9.1% for China under a population 15 times bigger than the Philippines. And if you go to the eastern seaboard of China from Shamen in the South, Shen Jen all the way towards the Yang Tze River and towards Shanghai and beyond, they are doing 15, 17, 18, 19%.

Ah, but Mr. Speaker, youre talking about a dictatorship. True, China is a dictatorship. But what about India, the second largest nation on earth with 1 billion people, the largest democracy on this planet? How come theyre able to do 5, 6, 7, 8%?

Its that system. Its the political will. It is the change of structure. You need a parliamentary federal system of government backed by strong political will, and the work ethic and the discipline of the people. This goal for a major achievement (can be done) if we change the structure of government.

I am very ashamed to tell you that in 10 days Congress will close down. We had hoped that before Christmas this would have already been achieved the parliamentary system - and a constituent assembly could have been called already. By calling a constituent assembly the elections in May 10 would have already been parliamentary elections. You will still elect a President so dont worry. Kaugalian nating mga Filipino na dapat i-elect natin ang gating mga presidente. But at least the President with reduced powers would now powers would be going to the parliament, powers now going to the cabinet, powers now going to a strong political party, powers now going to a team.

Unfortunately, the Senate said no. Many of them were running for president. Many of them were running for Vice President. Many of them are running for reelection as senators. They are not willing to give up their perks. So I told Pres. Arroyo two weeks ago, you must promise me that in your 1st 100 days as reelected President of the Philippines, you will call immediately for a constitutional convention if thats the people want or call for a constituent assembly of the Senate & of the House to finally consider a unicameral parliamentary federal system of government including an amendment to the economic provisions and including elections in the Philippines only once every 5 years. She said yes. We will shift the country to a unicameral federal parliamentary system of government, something that would be appreciated by the people of the Visayas, by the people of Mindanao, by Southern Luzon and by Northern Luzon because we believe this is the final and last hope of the Filipino people. Then we can achieve rates of growth of 7%. Then we can move from a 3rd world society to a 2nd world society, to a 1st world society. Lee Kuan Yu, when I 1st visited Singapore 40 years ago, when I was minister of the embassy in Vietnam, Singapore was poorer than Cebu. When I went to Malaysia for the first time during the days of Tungku Abdul Raman, founder of modern Malaysia, to the days of Mahathir Mohammad until his successor with whom we have lunch last week in Macaang. Badawi, now Singapore has graduated from a 3rd world society, to a 2nd world society, to a 1st world society. Malaysia has graduated from being a 3rd world society to a 2nd world society and is now targeting by the year 2020 when it will finally achieve 1st world status. This is the vision that I would like to share with you, the Young Economists of the nation. This is the challenge that Romy Neri and I are presenting to the Filipino people that this indeed is the true structure of change, the only hope and salvation to the Filipino people. Konrad Adenauer Foundation, one of the great social and economic foundations of Europe; Germany, federal system; parliamentary system in Germany. Going out of the ashes of war and now building one of the great economic miracles of modern time. Their organization is pushing for a shift to a parliamentary federal system of government n the Philippines.

Those who refuse to understand, those who are blind and deaf, those who refuse to recognize the due political realities in Europe and in Asia that the Philippines, the sick man of Asia, the only odd man out in Asia when all about us have shifted to a parliamentary, unicameral, federal system. Our own Pres Arroyo, an economist, an intellectual, have said yes. This is the only hope and the final hope for the Philippines & the Filipino people.

Let us join hands and together let us push for a unicameral, parliamentary, federal system so that the Filipino people can graduate from a 3rd world economy, to a 2nd world economy, and finally to a 1st world economy.
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PrAtTler said,

July 9, 2005 @ 2:27 am

After going through this recent scandal and (imminent) change of Malacanang resident & change in political landscape, the call to amend the constitution is not the answer to our most pressing and urgent problems. Let us first rise from this seething turbulence (and the immediate afterwards) before we embark on another political exercise.

If this is FVRs and JDVs attempt to make pogi points and thereby earn them the status of exulted statesmen. pleez naman mga fellow Panggalatoks.. Its the politicians, not politics, Sirs! Its the person, not so much on the system, Sirs!

Let us first restore the damaged presidency (whether GMA or somebody else), get to the bottom of these scandals before us and put normalcy to our political life. Tsaka na lang yang palit ng form of govt na yan.
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korab said,

July 9, 2005 @ 6:10 am

i think ramos plan is the best ideamas mukha silang mapagkakatiwalaan kesa sa oposisyonat sana rin wag ng pagamit ang mga leftist sa oposisyon
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marubdob said,

July 9, 2005 @ 6:31 am

do you honestly believe that ramos is proposing that without a hidden agenda??? doesnt sound like him. you must have forgotten how he projected the image that our economy was about to take off during our incumbency only to find out that it was all nothing but hot air. what was true however was the fact that he was responsible for the sale of our nations patrimony including camp john hay, reclamation area, fort bonifacio and the doh compound. he has yet to account where the proceeds of all those sales went. oh i almost forgot that he was very much involved with the centenial expo scam.
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juju said,

July 9, 2005 @ 7:00 am

Wait a second here,and think?
Ano ba ginawa ni Ramos sa PI (Philippines), e nag tour lang ng nag tour silang mag asawa, ng sya naka upo,tahimik nung nakaupo sya kasi mga takot ang mga alipores nya sa kanya.

marubdob is right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so right.
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marubdob said,

July 9, 2005 @ 7:32 am

salamat juju. panahon na upang ilantad kung sino talaga si ramos. kung tayo ay magiging mapanuri sa kasaysayan, iisang katotohanan ang ating makikita. siya ang may pakana ng mga kaguluhan na pinagdaanan at pinagdadaan ng bansa sa kasalukuyan. habang nabubuhay si ramos, di magkakaroon ng katahimikan ang ating bayan.
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Garcigwen said,

July 9, 2005 @ 7:40 am

now Singapore has graduated from a 3rd world society, to a 2nd world society, to a 1st world society. Malaysia has graduated from being a 3rd world society to a 2nd world society and is now targeting by the year 2020 when it will finally achieve 1st world status

Mr Speaker. First World are the democracies. Second World are the communist bloc countries now mostly gone. and Third World originally is the non-aligned bloc now used to refer to poorer countries.

therefore, it is stupid to say, you progress from third to second to first world.
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juju said,

July 9, 2005 @ 8:51 am

Sino ang nag patalsik kay Marcos sa Pinas? meron pang isang kasabay si Marcos na pinaalis sa Pinas,bakit ayaw nila kahit pabisittahin,kasi mabubuko sila ni Ponce.hahahahaha
13.
worrier said,

July 9, 2005 @ 9:15 am

i totally agree with marubdob and juju. Huwag tayong papalinlang kay Ramos. Dahil sa kanya nagsimula lahat ng kaguluhan.. Masyado siyang gahaman sa pera at power Sobra na siya.. Dapat pati siya paalisin na.. ang kapal ng mukhasiya ang nagpahirap sa ating bansa. kaya sana naman magising na tayong lahat huwag tayong padadala sa mga pinagsasabi ni tabako.. dahil im sure pag nagpalit ng form of government eepal na naman iyan GISING PILIPINAS !!!!
14.
penpen said,

July 9, 2005 @ 9:36 am

I agree.. its really not like ramos to propose something and not have an hidden agenda behind it. Though i agree with the proponents of constitutional change. I dont agree that our current stocks of trapos in government should lead said the said change. Especialy ramos. Mr tabako you still have a lot to accounting to do for past indescretions. Thats is why you helped topple estrada in the first place right? To prevent his people from digging and bringing to fore your past filths. Are you not tired yet mr. ramos of meddling in philippine politics?? You should retire and spare the younger generation your twisted and crooked views.
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concerned said,

July 9, 2005 @ 10:32 am

the words I AM SORRY is not the solution to forgive PRES. ARROYO. all i know is that we always impose the law that any leader commits a mistake shall face consequences. in her apology, i see that shes doing something wrong because of some deep words she said. whats the use of law if she would be given a second chance? its some kind of a FOOL
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juju said,

July 9, 2005 @ 12:31 pm

Sana mag resign na din si Ponce Enrile,pag bumalik wag nyo ng iboto,plsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss,I am begging you..huhuhuhuuhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu,,,,,,,,isa syang kawatan,,iisa lang sila ni Ramos,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hudaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17.
koj said,

July 9, 2005 @ 1:20 pm

concerned said,
July 9, 2005 @ 10:32 am

the words I AM SORRY is not the solution to forgive PRES. ARROYO. all i know is that we always impose the law that any leader commits a mistake shall face consequences. in her apology, i see that shes doing something wrong because of some deep words she said. whats the use of law if she would be given a second chance? its some kind of a FOOL

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mind you, she doesnt want to be spared with the law as shes willing to be impeached. it is us, by calling her to step down (which is also legal, as long as she concurs to it) who doesnt want her to use that route.

the sad thing however is that she has the tyranny of numbers in both the upper and lower house, thus it would just be an exercise in futility.
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neocypher said,

July 9, 2005 @ 2:45 pm

The proposal of former President Ramos is the best thing that the country needs at this hour. Our system of government is flawed from the very beginning. I agree with the former president to move into parliamentary-federal system of government.

Other suggestions:

Revert back to the two party system. Define the boundaries of investigation in aid of legislation and investigation in aid of congressional moro-moro in the new constitution that shall be drafted by a ConCon.

How many laws was passed by the Lower House and the Senate as a result of their so called investigations in aid of legislation? They have investigated jueteng last year but they didnt came up with any law that will curtail the existence of this illegal number game. They have investigated the Kuratong Baleleng case but Lacson is still in the Senate making so much noise. They have investigated the Bobby Dacer case but Lacson is still making fool of all of us.

Ban ageing politicians in seeking public office. We do not need senile politicians like the famous microphone stand Nene Pimentel. He now supports Noli De Castro because he is aching to be appointed the next vice president.

Put a provision in the constitution to ban non-tax payers from voting in an election or seek public office.

If we are in a parliamentary form of govenment, it will be easy to remove the head of government (Prime Minister) by just a simple vote of no confidence without resorting to the unconstitutional people power revolution. However in the present set-up nobody cant force GMA to resign except herself. All other means will be unconstitutional, including people power revolution.

Before we brand GMA or Noli as election cheaters, or election thieves as the actress Roces (I hope her brain is larger than Erap or her husband) has put it, they should be presume innocent until proven guilty. Whatever happen to the rule of law if politicians who are mostly lawyers have concluded, based on the illegaly wiretapped conversation, that the two highest officials have cheated their way to Malacanang Palace. These politicians must resign and the lawyers among them disbarred as they have already pre-judged the two highest officials of the land of election offence.
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mr. wilkins said,

July 9, 2005 @ 8:26 pm

Ramos is now acting as President. Siya na ang nagpapatakbo sa props ni GMA. Vulture in waiting si Ramos.

Tuso itong taong ito. Delikado. Linlangin niya tayo sa moves nya para maisalba si GMA upang ma save ang mga interes nya. Gusto kasi nila na kanilang partido pa rin ang may hawaK ng gobyerno.
20.
neocypher said,

July 10, 2005 @ 1:23 pm

in fairness to the former president fdr, he has been a very good president in the post-marcos philippines. he managed to turn around our countrys economy during his tenure, while most of our neighbors succumb to the asian crisis during that period.

between fdr and those noisy personalities of the opposition, i will choose fdr. those opposition has not done anything good for the country. the opposition today is a loose alliance of martial law tacticians,politicians and activists with common personal agenda, to take malacanang whatever it takes. among them are tatad (martial laws black propagandist) and maceda (remember the lines of former manila mayor arsenio lacson on maceda: so young and yet so corrupt. i remember somebody told me that he is also a pimp?), nene pimentel (jailed by marcos during martial law. he is the one making a lot of noice because gma has chosen guingona over him for the vice-presidency. a case of vendetta?), panfilo lacson (eraps former chief of police and henchman), the estrada family (jinggoy, jv, luisa, and the other women of the big tamale himself erap). Include the retired general fortunato abat, jejomar binay, rex cortes, susan roces and amay bisaya and we have a great big circus. Do you people want these personalities to lead us? If you do, you are out of your mind and I could safely say that mga bobo talaga mga Filipino.
21.
long71 said,

July 11, 2005 @ 12:42 am

fvr? parang junk food lang naman presidency nya. puro lang lasa wala namang sustansya.ikinalakal niya ang pilipinas sa mga dayuhan na parang prosti na pagkatapos magka aids, iniwan na lang basta basta.ang sagot ni fvr sa pinas? hindi mo kasi ibinuka ng todo ang hiyas mo e!
22.
long71 said,

July 11, 2005 @ 12:46 am

mr. wilkins said,
July 9, 2005 @ 8:26 pm

Ramos is now acting as President. Siya na ang nagpapatakbo sa props ni GMA. Vulture in waiting si Ramos.

Tuso itong taong ito. Delikado. Linlangin niya tayo sa moves nya para maisalba si GMA upang ma save ang mga interes nya. Gusto kasi nila na kanilang partido pa rin ang may hawaK ng gobyerno.
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baka magpabomba na naman yan ng lrt o bus para maalis ang atensyon kay gloria
23.
doctorT said,

July 11, 2005 @ 12:50 am

ang tuso pinsan ng sinungaling na asawa ng magnanakaw.
24.
long71 said,

July 11, 2005 @ 2:51 am

HEHEHE sama na sama na sila. hindi ko matatangap ang kanyang sorry.
25.
masha said,

July 11, 2005 @ 3:47 am

di ba si ramos yung nagpakalat sa text na namatay na yung pope dati. apparently, tinetesting ng grupo niya kung gaano kalawak ang pagkalat at ng message sa text sakaling gusto nilang ma impluwensiya ang pag-iisip ng tao. it worked di ba? nagpuntahan ang mga tao nun sa edsa 2 dahil sa tawag ng mga kaibigan sa text.

masamang damo yan si ramos. cant anybody get rid us of this menace?
26.
Leo said,

July 11, 2005 @ 4:58 am

Si Ramos talagang matindi yan, una sa lahat yung kayamanan ni Marcos na sinasabi nating pag-aari ng sambayanang Pilipino ay siya ang nakakuha, tanong nyo kay Gen. Fulgaran,, Limbones island pagitan ng Cavite, Batangas, sabi ni Ramos tanso daw,,, hmm talagang tuso yan, ingat lang kayo,,, sabi nila, bakit daw maimpluwensiya si Ramos sa militar, hindi po maimpluwensiya ,, may hawak po siyang 6 na batalyon ng sundalo na active sa serbisyo, hindi ko makalimutan, tinawag pa itong yellow army.. hulaan nyo kung sino ang commanding officer,,, Ramos ang apelyido nya,pero hindi si FVR, hmmm mag-isip tayo- noong 1995 alam ko kapitan ang ranggo niya,, 2005 na ngayon, mahirap paniwalaan, pero magsuri tayo.. Yan po si FVR .
27.
TotoMT said,

July 11, 2005 @ 5:29 am

Naging Presidente si Ramos sa daya at si GMA sa tulong ni Ramos ay naging Presidente. Dinaya ni Ramos ang election nuon at tinuruan si GMA, pero ika nga walang finesse si GMA, masyadong ginarapal at siniguro ang pagkapanalo kaya nagtatawag kay Garcillano. Ngayon eto na naman, humingi ng saklolo kay Ramos si GMA, para kalmahin ang militar, at kausapin ang mga kaalyado ni Ramos na may sinabi pa sa militar, para manatili pa sa puwesto.
Hindi na puwede ang galing ni Ramos, ika nga laos na, bayaran na ang pagtulong niya kay GMA, at malaki, daang milyon ang usapan, para bayaran ang mga dating kasamahang General, at mga kaalyado nito at bayad sa kanya.
malaking pera ang tumatakbo ngayon para lamang manatili sa puwesto si GMA, pera lahat ang katapat ng tao lalo na sa kahirapan ngayon.
Kapag hindi naalis si GMA sa puwesto, lahat ng taong di prinsipyo sa labanang ito ay nabayaran. malaking pera ang bayaran ngayon. kaya walang paki-alam si GMA sa mga umalis na gabinete niya, lahat sila ay replaceable
lahat ng kalaban ni GMA ay puwedeng ma-corrupt at mabayaran, if the price is right, yan ang totoo mga kabayan, isa isa ng binabayaran ng milyones na nakurakot at mind you in $U.S. na ang bayaran at either in secret bank account in Singapore or U.S.
Kaya walang takot si GMA lumakad na ang pera, ang kamay ng corruption ay lumaganap na kaya bakit siya matitinag, bayad na halos ang kalahati sa oposisyon marahil, kapag nag-ingay ka sa pagtuligsa kay GMA may lalapit at mag-offer, siyempre kailangan may malaki kang grupo para malaki rin ang offer.. it depends ika nga..
Pati yata simbahan ay nabayaran na, hindi pala nabayaran kundi naabuluyan na, kaya ang paninindigan ay ganoon na lang. Hindi dapat makialam ang simbahan sa problemang political ng bansa dahil kapag mayroon krisis ang simbahan dahil sa malilibog na pari ay hindi pinakikialaman ng gobyerno, ngayon sila ang isa sa pader ng bansa dahil marami raw ang katoliko na apektado.
Hay naku Pilipinas, gumising ka sa katotohanan, niloloko na lang ni GMA kayo, para sa kanyang ambisyong politikal at pera, hindi para sa anu pa mang prinsipyo, lalo lang kayong maghihirap sa darating na mga araw at buwan.
28.
Paul R. said,

July 11, 2005 @ 9:15 am

Puro kayabangan lang naman si FVR. Puro dada pero walang saysay ang sinasabi. di ba siya ang may pakulo ng Philippines 2000″ na naglalayon na gawin industrialized country ang Pilipinas by year 2000? E kahit turnilyo, ini-import pa natin, makagawa pa kaya tayo ng kotse? Ang Malaysia na mas maunlad sa atin, may National Car na (Proton), may mga semiconductors manufacturing sites, pero conservative sa forecast nila na maging industrialized by year 2020.

Malaysia 2020″ and Philippines 2000″. Kitang kita kung sino ang mayabang na puro salita lang. Wala namang nangyari.
29.
d_entrep said,

July 11, 2005 @ 1:00 pm

I love FVR isa ako sa mga nagmamahal sayo
kasi ang galing galing momagkano ba ang binayad mo para
mabansagan na TIGER ECONOMY of ASIA anf PILIPINAS noong araw
ang dami daming mong naloko buti na lang di ako kasama doonhheeheBASTA ANG PINOY MALILIMUTIN
mga KABATAAN lagi kayong mag balik tanaw sa kasaysayan para di kayo maligaw

5 Points ECONOMIC agenda ni FVR nung sya ay Presidente pa
1)Globalization-pagkalugi ng ating mallit na magsasaka at mamumuhunana
2)Contractualization-trabaho raw para sa mga Pinoy-every % months nga lang
3)Privatization-MWSS-PETRON
4)Oil Deregulation-sanhi
5)IPP-Independent Power Producers
Mga SCAMS noong kapanahunan niya
1)10 bilyon MEGA dike scam sa PAMPANGA ewan ko lang kung may cut sya pero balita ang mga heneral nya ang nagkamal ng PERA at GOV. este SENATOR
2)EXPO PILIPINO-white elephant
3)PEA-AMARI land deal
4)At ang mga sikat na sikat na mga IPP-independent power producer
5)Ang ipagbili ang PETRON na pag aari ng PILIPINAS

MABUHAY KA FVR the games the GENERALS has just begun
30.
blue_eagle said,

July 11, 2005 @ 6:18 pm

fvr at jdv nag ambition na naman!!
ito lang ang paraan para maging pinakamataas na pinuno (prime minister) si JDV o FVR kasi siguradong di sila iboboto ng mga tao pag presidential system.
Palitan muna si GMA bago pagusapan ang pagpalit ng systema.
Para sa akin.. masyadong delikado ang parliamentary dahil ang mga katulad lang ni JDV ang tyak na magiging prime minister at walang magagawa ang taong bayan dun!
31.
masha said,

July 12, 2005 @ 4:06 am

gma appoints ramos guy as customs chief. aaah kaya naman pala. pera lang po ang pinag-uusapan. sobra naman garapal nito. its sickening!
32.
Bullet said,

July 12, 2005 @ 10:48 am

FVR & JDV are both termites in our society. They are the prime movers of graft & corruption. You can not discern sincerity & honesty on their publicized speeeches. Wala ng tiwala ang taong bayan sa kanila. Patakbuhin mo sila sa national election for higher positions, di sila mananalo unless they do electoral cheating kung saan bihasa silang dalawa. So, tama na, sobra na, paalisin na silang lahat sa gobyerno, sumama na sila kay Mike Arroyo na magself-exile!!! Kakasawa na sila!!!

 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:06 pm
PRESIDENT Arroyos approval and trust ratings have slid further, with 68 percent of Metro Manilans expressing disapproval of her performance and 72 percent saying they distrust her.

The latest Pulse Asia survey showed Metro Manilans expressing even greater distrust toward First Gentleman Jose Mike" Miguel T. Arroyo (81 percent) and presidential son, Pampanga representative Juan Miguel Arroyo (74 percent). The Arroyo men have been accused of receiving payoffs from the illegal numbers game jueteng.

The poll was conducted from July 2 to 8, after the presidents June 27 public apology for her lapse in judgment for talking to an elections commissioner shortly after the May 2004 elections.

Other findings:

80 percent believe that Mrs. Arroyo was involved in manipulating the vote count.
58 percent think that the president should resign given that she admitted to having spoken to a Comelec official, 17 percent prefer that she focus more on state matters, 20 percent think she should let Congress address the issue, including impeachment, and 5 percent think she ought to take a leave to reflect on her mistake.
87 percent think members in the presidents family are involved in and benefit from jueteng.
Vice President Noli L. de Castros disapproval rating has climbed to 43 percent and distrust rating to 45 percent.
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Budhingtao said,
July 12, 2005 @ 11:33 pm

To be fare to all, surveys should not only be conducted in Metro Manila. People in the provinces cries foul. Like election, the survey should be conducted fare and square. Not paid up by politicians.

masha said,
July 13, 2005 @ 2:04 am

gma and ninoys sister lupita kashiwahara ( also ex wife of charo santos hubby), think they can counter gmas image problems with photo ops by the bay and cabinet members walking with gma.

all i can say is kahon! guinoo. ninoy must be turning in his grave.

isko2 said,
July 13, 2005 @ 3:38 am

Do Filipinos really care about the results of the survey, in the midst of the economic crisis and poverty, the human tendency is to make a living and make both ends meet for their families
If she made a lapse of judgement, and members of her family are tainted with corruption then resign out of respect for the position of presidency.
History will be kinder to her

bukbok said,
July 13, 2005 @ 3:58 am

a survey is only a survey. but it looks like mahilig ang noypi sa simplified version of searching for truth.
the sample population of the survey is so small that it can not give the pulse of the people.
nagpapabola kasi ang marami.

Global Voices Online Blog Archive Arroyos approval and trust ratings drop anew said,
July 13, 2005 @ 6:45 am

[] Inside PCIJ is reporting the perhaps predictable news that Philippine President Gloria Arroyos approval ratings are plummeting. Whats interesting is that the approval ratings of her family are even worse. []

junkadz said,
July 13, 2005 @ 8:20 am

As expected her approval ratings are going south. For me Luli arroyo made a very valid point when she said Matuto na tayo, ang kailangan natin yung taong magdedesisyon ng mahirap pero kailangan, hinde porket maganda ka at magaling na actress e puede ka na presidente. How does she expect the people to believe her Mom if she couldnt discern which is ethical and morally right by calling a comelec commisioner whom she appointed and who has a very tainted reputation, napaka simpleng desisyon lang naman wag mo tawagan di nya pa nagawa, ano pa kaya yung magdesisyon siya for 80million filipinos.

timawang_batas said,
July 13, 2005 @ 8:24 am

Kahit walang survey, the majority are tired of gloria including those in the provinces.Sa Visayas at Mindanao pa lang ang taas na ng unemployment rate, saan yung 1M at 6M jobs na pinangako nya? Di ba kasinungalingan? How much more this gloriagatescandal? lalo nya pang dinagdagan ang kanyang kasinungalingan.

Can we blame the masses of airing their sentiments? Some offer that they are manipulated by vested interest but i say its a crap. Will the masses survive with a minimum wage incorrectly paid against the increasing prices of commodities? Minimum fare at Php 7.50 ? A kilo of galonggong plays between Php 70 to 90 a kilo? A cup of cooked rice between Php 7 to 15? An internet rental of Php 25 an hour just to blog their sentiments against gloria?

gloria is suppressing the freedom of expression. No permit, no rally daw pero pag maka-gloria okey lang. Then you talk about AFP/PNP being neutral?

Its about time to leave the comforts of our electric fan-dominated offices and join the rally at Ayala.

If we need to walk, lets walk. If we get hungry then be it. May tubig pa namang pampamanhid ng sikmura.

benign0 said,
July 13, 2005 @ 8:30 am

S O W H A T ? ?

Popularity does not necessarily mean competence.

Erap was a popular president but he was the most utterly incompetent.

Popularity means something only during election time. The only reason why popularity has become such a continuous and ubiquitous concern among chattering Pinoys is because we have become a nation of FIESTA REVOLUTION, where presidents can be arbitrarily removed from office ANY TIME by lynch mobs and text messages.

In TRUE democracies, what matters IN BETWEEN ELECTIONS (where real democracy REALLY happens) is the quality of the services dished out by their INSTITUTIONS.

Just keep our vigilance FOCUSED on ensuring that GMA keeps to her word of submitting herself to the impeachment processs (a.k.a. DUE PROCESS in case Filipinos need to be reminded) to account for her transgressions.

If it is shortcuts and instant results that we want, then lets just revert back to a dictatorship so that we can go back to the more efficient practice of throwing people into jail without having to sit through DUE PROCESS.

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

Darren said,
July 13, 2005 @ 8:35 am

..History will be kinder to her

Yes. This is something she should at least give some consideration. Kundi magigi syang isa sa mga super villain sa history ng Philippines. ^_^

benign0 said,
July 13, 2005 @ 8:51 am

Sa mga mahilig tumambay sa kalye diyan:

Check out this news bit from the INQ7.net:

http://news.inq7.net/express/html_output/20050712-43231.xml.html

Politicians back track or move forward depending on public sentiment. It highlights the facts that:

(1) Nobody really knows what they are talking about; and,

(2) Actions are based on herd mentality rather than on issues and clear thinking.

Kaya yung mga pa-resign nang pa-resign diyan: MAG-ISIP-ISIP kayo. Maraming legal na tsanel diyan para patuparin ang inyong mga layunin. Wag tayong parang mga inutil na tatakbo na lang kung saang may malakas humirit.

Mag-ISIP tayo mga kabayan. GAMITIN ANG KOKOTE, dahil ang mga bagay na hindi ginagamit ay NAMUMULOK.

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

lavinia said,
July 13, 2005 @ 9:07 am

The people in the Visayas and Mindanao are fed up with what the people in Manila have been doing against the government. It seems that the people in Manila are the only ones dictating the future of the country without even considering the voices of the people in the rest of the country.

If the people in Manila cannot follow the Constitution, then there is no more reason for us in the provinces to follow this Constitution. It might be a wise move to form and draft our own Constitution.

Chihiro said,
July 13, 2005 @ 9:47 am

^ Bakit noong 2001 ay pumayag ang Visayas at Mindanao sa pagpapatalsik kay Erap ng Imperial Manila? Ang BUONG Visayas at Mindanao ba noon ay SUMANG-AYON sa EDSA II?

When Manila did not follow the Constitution in 2001, bakit di kayo nagalit? Dahil ba si ERAP kasi noon ang pintalsik (and I am assuming that you were ANTI-ERAP then) at samantalang ngayon e si GMA naman ang nasa bingit ng alanganin (and I am assuming also that you are PRO-GMA)?

Why the double standards?

butsukoy said,
July 13, 2005 @ 9:49 am

Lavinia
Can you say the same thing if we go back to the events before Edsa 2? The case of Estrada fits your argument not Gloria .During the election of 2004 I was assigned in South Cotabato ( Tampakan Mining Area) and in the borders of Columbio, Sultan Kudarat and as far as the boundary od Davao del Norte coordinating with the locals. Majority of them the Christians, Moslems and the Lumads we talked to told our group that they would go for FPJ come election day. Then came the counting.zero votes for FPJ manipulated by the locals and corrupt elements of military. The question here is about morality and decency and not partisanship. The constitution is not also the problem, the problem is GMA

F1 said,
July 13, 2005 @ 9:49 am

lavinia, ull never scare us w/ ur secessionist card play. the same way the so called intelligence of pgmas top dogs are harping abt bombings in todays rallies. Luma na yan scare tactics nyo.
Want us to follow the constitution? Cge lets impeach her right now b4 the old trapos succeed in their cha-cha.
Noli who the hell are ur advisers? The trapos are pushing cha-cha already, EVEN UR PARTNERS DONT WANT YOU TO SIT AS PRESIDENT. You think they will vote you Prime Minister? Are u really stupid? Its JDVs chance to be on top, with his yoda appearance (sori master jedi) Jdv has no way of being voted to the top except thru his peers. Make a deal already to whoever you think will be friendly to you. ur ratings are dipping the more you stick out w pgma. Act before you become irrelevant.
See you all at ayala

indio_lawless said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:16 am

Just arrived from Mindanao and Visayas.

It is of no surprise that the sentiments of the people in those geographical areas against gloria were the same as that of Manila.

Their only problem : they cannot blog just like we do.

Sugarcane workers and dependents are slowly dying of hunger both in Negros and Iloilo. The Government at this very moment is still clueless where to find a market for the sugar produce.

But how about the ethanol thing that gloria thrumpeted a few weeks ago in San Carlos? Pure gimmick, I say. If one still remember the ALCO-GAS being marketed decades ago, then he/she will obviously know if there is a difference.

Ordinary wage earners in the said regions are still hoping that they will be paid right by their employers, who are also being made to face the prospect of bankruptcy.

Where is gloria then? where is her expertise? where is her promised reforms?

While I pay my taxes correctly at the national and local levels whether I am in Manila,or in Visayas or in Mindanao for official business or family functions. I also expect the National Government as well as the local ones to deliver the basic goods and services as mandated upon by law including proper accountability and disclosure.

gloria miserably failed in her governace. Worst, she violated the constitution not only once but twice.Does it make manilans, visayans and mindanaoans, violators too ? Of course not.

If the people of manila are exercising their constitutional right to free expression including the right to assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances, are they not following the organic law? Thus, It is not only erroneous too for some,if not sheer ignorance, to generalise that the people in Manila cannot comprehend the basic mandate of the organic law.

It is also preposterous for Duterte and Dominguez to generalise the sentiments of Mindanaoans in the same vain as what some politicians have done in behalf of the Visayan people.

To them I say : Hear the voices of your people first before you speak.

username said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:24 am

I think we have to point out that we have to explain to the people that of all the millions of Filipinos, more than 80 million, only 300 were interviewed. Tingnan po natin kung wasto po iyong pagkakapili dito po sa sample na ito (Let us see if this sample was chosen correctly), Bunye said. bakit nung nagsorry si GMA ginamit pa nya sa linya na pati sa survey panalo sya last election then now d na sila naniniwala sa survey???

lavinia said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:26 am

Galing sa isang ordinaryong manggawa sa Pilipinas
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Lagi na lang sinasabi ng mga pulitiko: Ipaglaban ang masa! Tulungan ang masa! Mahalin ang masa!

SINONG SILA? EH DI MGA MGA TAMBAY NA PILIPINO NA MALUSOG ang KATAWAN PERO HINDI NAMAN NAGTRATRABAHO AT HINDI NAGBABAYAD NG TAX, MGA MAYAYAMAN AT ARTISTANG TAX EVADERS, PATI MGA AKTIBISTA, NPA AT IBA PANG IDEOLOGICAL GROUPS NA HINDI NAGBABAYAD NG TAX PERO PANG-GULO!!!

Teka SINO BA TALAGA ANG BUMUBUHAY SA BANSANG TO?

SAAN BA GALING ANG PANGPAGAWA NG MGA TULAY AT KALYE? SAAN BA GALING ANG PORK BARREL?

KAMI NA MGA MANGGAGAWA AT MIDDLE CLASS NA BAGO PA MAKUHA ANG SWELDO BAWAS NA - KAMI ANG BUMUBUHAY SA BANSA NA TO!!!!!!!!!

BAKIT YANG BANG MGA MASANG YAN NA LAGI NA LANG SENTRO NG PLATAPORMA NG MGA PULITIKO EH NAGBABAYAD BA NG TAX ???!!!!

KAHIT ISA SA MGA NAG-RA-RALLYING MGA SQUATTER NA YAN, KAHIT SINGKO HINDI NAG-RE-REMIT YAN SA BIR! PERO PINAPAKINGGAN BA KAMI NG GOBYERNO?

LAGI NA LANG OPINYON NG MASA ANG INI-INTINDI NG GOBYERNO. KUNG SINO ANG NAG-RA-RALLY, SA EDSA, SILA ANG NASUSUNOD. KUNG SINO ANG MAS MALAKAS SUMIGAW PERO WALA NAMANG ECONOMIC CONTRIBUTION,
SILA LAGI ANG FOCUS PAG MAY PROBLEMA.

SILA LAGI ANG BIDA.

KAMING MGA ORDINARYONG OFFICE WORKERS, OFWS, LABORERS AT IBA PANG NAG-TRA-TRABAHO AT NAGBABAYAD NG TAX - KAMI ANG NAGPAPAKAHIRAP PARA BUHAYIN ANG PILIPINAS. KAMI ANG MGA TUNAY NA BAYANI NG BANSA!!!

Tuwing nakikita ko ang payslip ko, nag-iinit ang ulo ko at gusto kong maiyak sa inis. Napakalaki ng tax na binabawas sa akin pero ginagamit lang sa walang kwentang bagay ang perang pinaghirapan ko. Lahat ng pagtitipid ginagawa ko para suportahan ang sarili ko, pamilya ko at ang bansang to. Ni hindi ako makabili ng chicken and spaghetti meal sa Jollibee kahit gutom na gutom na ko. Nag-tya-tyaga ako sa waffle na tig-P10, o kaya pag may konting pera, junior bola-bola siopao sa Mini-Stop sa halangang P20.

Eh kung yung pera ko na pinapangbabayad sa tax sa kin na lang napunta, eh di sana nakakapanood pa ko ng sine at least 2 beses sa isang buwan. Nakabili na sana ako ng bagong rubber shoes. Nakapagpagawa na sana ako ng sarili kong
bahay.

Yung tax na binabayad ko, pinapangsuporta sa mga mahihirap. Saan ba galing ang pera pangpagawa ng housing at pagtulong sa mga mahihirap, di ba sa mga manggagawa na nagbabayad ng buwis! Pero karamihan ng mahihirap, kung umasta kala mo inaapi sila ng sobra.

SA TOTOO LANG NO, KAYA ANG MGA MAHIHIRAP LALONG NAGHIHIRAP KASI MGA TAMAD!

Ang daming mga tambay sa kalye na walang trabaho pero ang laki ng katawan. Eh kung sila ba nagkargador sa pier eh di sana may pera sila.

TAPOS WALA NA NGANG PERA, ANAK PA NG ANAK!
LALO NYO LANG PINAPADAMI ANG TAMAD AT TANGA SA MUNDO!!!!!

Naaawa ako sa mga batang pakalat-kalat sa kalye at namamalimos. Imbes na nag-aaral, dumadagdag lang sila sa bilang ng mga future criminals sa Pinas. Hindi ako magtataka na yung batang nakita kong namamalimos sa Cubao, pagkatapos ng ilang taon cellphone snatcher na.

YUNG MGA MAGULANG NAMAN DYAN, COMMON SENSE LANG! HIRAP NA HIRAP NA NGA KAYO SA BUHAY, MANGDADAMAY PA KAYO NG IBA?! PAPARAMIHAN NYO PA LAHI NYO!

Palibhasa walang mga trabaho at walang pinagkaka-abalahan, kaya nagkakalabitan at nagsusundutan na lang maghapon, magdamag. Sa totoo lang, nakakabilib. Kasi kahit sa ilalim ng tulay o sa kariton lang, nakakabuo pa rin ng bata! Ibig sabihin, maabilidad ang mga Pinoy. Kung gugustuhin, gagawan ng paraan. Kahit sa makipot, mabaho at maduming lugar - SOLVE!

Isa pang mga grupo ng tao na nakakainis, yung mga aktibista, NPA at kung ano-ano pang ideological political groups. Sabi nila, mahal na mahal nila ang Pilipinas kaya pinagpalalaban nila ang kanilang mga adhikain.

EH HINDI RIN KAYO NAGBABAYAD NG TAX! ANG KAKAPAL RIN NG MGA MUKHA NYO!

MGA HIPOKRITO! MAHAL DAW ANG PILIPINAS AYAW NAMAN MAGBAYAD NG BUWIS!

WALA DIN NAMAN KAYONG MGA TRABAHO! KUNG MAY TRABAHO TALAGA KAYO, HINDI KAYO MAG-RA-RALLY DAHIL SAYANG ANG SWELDO NYO PAG ABSENT KAYO!

PAANO NYO MAIPAPAKITA ANG PAGMAMAHAL NYO SA PILIPINAS KUNG WALA NA KAYONG GAWANG MATINO KUNDI MAG-RALLY AT MAMUNDOK??!!!

ISA PA YANG MGA MAYAYAMAN AT MGA ARTISTA, NA NANGDADAYA AT HINDI NAGBABAYAD NG BUWIS. ANG KAKAPAL NG MUKHA NYO! ANG DAMI NYO NA NGANG PERA NANGDADAYA PA KAYO SA TAX!!!! HINDI NYO NAMAN MADADALA SA IMPIERNO YANG MGA KAYAMAN NYO. MASUSUNOG LANG DUN YAN.

KAYA LALONG BUMABAGSAK ANG NEGOSYO DITO SA PILIPINAS, KASI MGA NEGOSYANTE MANDARAYA. PATI SHOWBIZ INDUSTRY, BAGSAK NA DIN. KARMA ANG TAWAG DYAN. MGA BALASUBAS KASI.

Sana magkaron ng POLITICAL AND NATIONAL CLEANSING.
At higit sa lahat, dapat tax payers lang ang pwedeng bumoto!

Kung kinakailangang magka-giyera para magtino ang mga Pilipino, ayos lang. Masyado na kasing matigas ang ulo ng mga tao dito. Gusto ng kalayaan, pero hindi naman handang panagutan ang responsibilidad ng pagiging malaya. Meron daw pinaglalaban na prinsipyo at adhikain pero takot namang mamatay para
dito.

Hanggat hindi nagkakaron ng radical change, patuloy na walang kwenta ang Pilipinas at patuloy na magiging tanga ang majority ng mga Pilipino.

Sa dami ng nag-mi-migrate na Pilipino sa ibang bansa, dadating ang panahon na minority na lang ng population sa Pilipinas ang may utak. Yung mga magagaling na Pilipino, mal amang maubos na. Sobra na kasi silang na-fru-frustrate at na-de-depress sa mga nakikita nila.

Alam ko marami pa ang umaasa at naniniwala sa pagbabago. Good luck and God bless! Sana tama kayo at mali ako.

masha said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:28 am

if people in the provinces have heard the tapes and still conclude that gma is not guilty of cheating then they should form their own airhead country.

butsukoy said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:47 am

And the same tax that we are paying to the government is the same money the government is using to steal elections, create scenarios ( like seccesion movements, bombing in the rallies? , pr money). How much money is being distributed everyday by the govt just to survive? Ang sulat ba na iyan ay naka address din sa simbahan na hindi nagbabayad ng tax pero nakikialam sa kalakaran ng gobyerno?

usda_gradeameat said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:48 am

ipagdasal na lang natin si lavinia (ang kontrabida sa Princess Sarah) na sanay maliwanagan sya.Ang nangyayaring ito sa ating bansa ay isang pagpapatunay lamang na ang hustisya ay para lamang sa mayayaman, matataas ang pinagaralan, at mataas ang estado sa buhayNASA SA ATIN NA ITOWag na nating alalahanin kung isang projected mangmang ang papalit sa isang Hoya..Walang problema kung isang milyong edsa ang mangyariang dapat manaig dito ay ang TAMAmas lalo tayong pagtatawanan ng buong mundo kung hahayaan natin ang isang mandaraya ang namumuno sa ating bansa.

benign0 said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:52 am

Just what we need. A whole bunch of airhead countries infesting Asia.

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

mundski said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:05 pm

ang sumisira sa bansang ito ay ang mga taong MAKASARILI, mga taong NAWALAN NA NANG PAG-ASA dahil sa kalooblooban nilay WALA NAMAN TALAGA silang pakialam ang mga taong nagtatago at ayaw makialam. na ayaw intindihin at wala nang oras para umintindi. sa mga taong di naniniwala na puede pa ang Pagbabago

di umuusad ang bansang ito dahil sa dami nang matatalino at WAIS di ganun kadaling utuhin na lang ang mga pilipino, kayat walang di tayo nag kakaisa. patay na rin ang nationalismo. at masyado nang hilo at lito ang IDENTITY natin bilang PILIPINO. ang ibang south east asian countries, sunudsunuran ang mga tao kayat mas angat na sila ngayon. matatalino ang mga pilipino, di nga lang nila maintindihan ang pagka pilipino.

you talk of due process and constitution pero ang presidente mo mismo ay ginawa na tong TRAPO.you show love for your country by feeling HOPELESS and getting SICK of your fellow filipino. you relate nationalism with abandonment and KILLING OF a nations pride because you decided were better off if we FORGIVE AND FORGET the most unethical and unconstitutional atrocity A FILIPINO president has ever commited..?.

kung may paki ka, eh ano ngayon? kahit anung solusyon pa meron ka, kung uupo ka lang. wala. (addressd to no one in particular po plz.)

JohnMc said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:06 pm

Kung mag sasarili ang mga probinsya matutuwa nyan si GOV CHAVIT tuloy na ang ILOCOS REPUBLIC eh di legal na ang JUETENG at SMUGGLING NG MGA MOTORBIKE sa Ilocos. At sa DABAO REPUBLIC legal din ang salvage diba MAYOR DUTERTE? Ang dapat lecturan ng CONSTITUTION si Gloria diba bawal mandaya sa election?

expilad said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:11 pm

GMAS FATHER MUST BE STIRRING IN HIS GRAVE FOR THE CHEATING CORRUPTION THAT SHE HAS DONE AGAINST THE INNOCENT AND POOR PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY.
iN SPITE OF ALL THIS, I BET SHE STILL SLEEPS SOUNDLY EACH NIGHT AS HER MAIN GOAL AS A PRESIDENT IS TO STAY ON EVEN IF HISTORY WILL AHOW THAT SHE IS THE WORST OF ALL OUR PRESIDENT WITH A LEGACY THAT NO ONE CAN BE PROU OF.

STAY ON GLORIA!

rexjayson said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:22 pm

ANYONE PLEASE!!!

Where can I buy PERSONALLY, the new i-report Queensgambit of PCIJ. National bookstore and magazine stalls in SM does not sell the said mag. BTW, I dont want to purchase it online.
Thanks.

masha said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:31 pm

saan ba nanggagaling talaga ang kayamanan ni chavit? balita ko he gambles in a private plane as it circles around. air casino ba. mahjong ata ang nilalaro. we dont need people like him. we can cut him off and we will be so much better for it.

kroschwitz said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:34 pm

Can you say the same thing if we go back to the events before Edsa 2? Yes, definitely!

First thing first, I am not pro-ERAP, I am not pro-GLORIA, and I am not pro-FPJ. I am one of the million Filipino who are working hard to earn money to fed themselves and their family, and who pay taxes so that our country might live another day.

I have to correct Lavinia. It is not the people of Manila but the so-called MASA, backed by the so-called HUMAN RIGHT ACTIVISTS. These people have nothing to do but creating chaos in our country. These people are not paying taxes because they do not have a job in the first place. Economically, they are not contributing but problems.

Majority of us Filipinos belong to this class. That is the reason why the like of ERAP won in the presidential election. They are the one who voted for ERAP. Ironically, they are the one also who stormed EDSA during the EDSA 2, to force ERAP to resign.

Awa? Yes, naaawa ako sa kanila. But please, do not let them dictate the future of this country.

rexjayson said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:44 pm

MASHA, nakabili ka na ba nung special issue ng i-report? wher can i buy one? thanks

penpenpen88 said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:47 pm

I agree 100 percent! Becoming federal as proposed by JDV and Tabako will only mean that lahat ng region natin magkakaroon ng warlord at jueteng lord and mas magiging powerful pa sila. Mas lalong lalakas ang patronage politics. Di ba kayo nagtataka na lahat ng mga trapo e sang ayon sa ganitong position???

kroschwitz said,
July 13, 2005 @ 12:56 pm

Can you say the same thing if we go back to the events before Edsa2? Yes definitely!

First thing first, I am not pro-ERAP, I am not pro-GLORIA, and I am not pro-FPJ. I am one of the million Filipino who are working hard to earn money to fed themselves and their family, and who pay taxes so that our country might live another day.

I am from Mindanao and I have to correct Lavinia. I think it is not the people of Manila but the so-called MASA backed by the so-called HUMAN RIGHT ACTIVISTS. These people have nothing to do but creating chaos in our country. These people are not paying taxes because they do ot have a job in the first place. Economically, they are not contributing but problems.

Majority of us Filipino belongs to this class. That is the reason why the like of ERAP won in the presidential election. They are the one who voted for ERAP. Ironically, they are the one also who stormed EDSA during the EDSA2, to force ERAP to resign.

Awa? Yes, naaawa ako sa kanila. But please, dont let them dictate the future of this country.

rexjayson said,
July 13, 2005 @ 1:01 pm

ANYONE? SAAN BA NAKAKABILI NG special issue ng i-report? rexjayson@yahoo.com thanks

rich___ong said,
July 13, 2005 @ 1:29 pm

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of the FILIPINO PEOPLE. LETS BATTLE THE TRADITIONAL POLITICIANS AND DECLARE OUR INDEPENDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Garcigwen said,
July 13, 2005 @ 1:30 pm

I searched in Avenida Rizal. Wala sa newstands. Calling PCIJ.
hinaharass ba ni meyor atienza? There are many popular newstands there. Thats where I usually get my magazines.

Even National Bookstore is shying away from carrying I-report.

D bale, Ill try and get it sa Popular timog. good luck guys.

Alecks Pabico said,
July 13, 2005 @ 1:30 pm

rexjayson, please refer to this post.

jonathan said,
July 13, 2005 @ 1:39 pm

masha, what do u mean cut him off? huwag at magagalit ang mga gf niya. maganda nga iyong panukala nyang ilocoslovakia. plano ni makoy yon noong edsa 1 ngunit dinaya cya ng mga kano at dinala sa hawaii. remember meron cyang malacanang ti amianan. si gloria me malacanang sa cebu - kaya alam nyo na kung saan cya dederetso kung successful ang people power ninyo. afterwards ang mga pro-gloria naman ang magkacutoff ke president rez cortez

jjc1384 said,
July 13, 2005 @ 1:39 pm

Diba yung survey random sampling lang yan ng mga tao and it could reflect the sentiments of the people Kasi may calculations naman yan kung ilang kelangan na respondents out of a certain population para magkaroon ng significance.

Ok lang na gumawa ng Republics yung mga TRAPO na leaders na yun Basta tingnan muna nila yung TOTOONG sentiments ng mga tao sa lugar nila bago sila pagawa-gawa ng Republics nila.

Si Duterte naman puro Talk s**t naman yung pinagsasabi niyanPro-GMA daw mga tao sa Mindanao Hello? 17 years ako nakatira sa Mindanao at alam ko na twuing elections, majority of the areas in Mindanao ay nilalampaso si GMA.. Kaya Duterte mag-sisp isp ka muna..tingnan mo yung KULAY moalam ko yung pinagagawa mo sa Davao Buti sana kung puro drug lords lang yung ginaganon mo, diba di naman???

Bago ka magsalita na sinusopportahan mo si GMA, tingnan mo muna yung skeletons sa closet mo!

tabz said,
July 13, 2005 @ 2:03 pm

these surveys dont mean nothing, dpba obvious na hinde na nga popular si glo? nung elections, pinangunahan nila un popularity vote, which in effect mightve had an effect on the vote or the rigging of it thereof, dahil napangunahan na nangunguna si glo sa pop vote. and now, obvious naman na dba? well duh.. is this just a save face to validate that their surveys are indeed accurate?

glo is going down, sa performance plng e, sa questionable political appointees, halata na wla sya puso to truly lead us out of this problem we have, if so she shldve done what she could during her first term, resluts are evrything, what she did during the elections was to give, land etc,, to ppl. is that her main perrogative. will that generate more jobs? its the worse ive seen of her, thats why i changed my opinion of her since then and didnt vote for her., she who swore to not run again for precidency. and later went back on her word.. wlng isang salita. wlng righteous will to lead, dahil kng meron man, why is taht that she couldnt pull the people together with her. they say u can see a persons sincerity in their eyes, but watching her ads and her apology, its all make do.. fake!! hinde natural un dating nya, the expressions restrained, the eyes look blank as if u cant see any soul in there.

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 13, 2005 @ 2:15 pm

Chihiro said,
July 13, 2005 @ 9:47 am

^ Bakit noong 2001 ay pumayag ang Visayas at Mindanao sa pagpapatalsik kay Erap ng Imperial Manila? Ang BUONG Visayas at Mindanao ba noon ay SUMANG-AYON sa EDSA II?

When Manila did not follow the Constitution in 2001, bakit di kayo nagalit? Dahil ba si ERAP kasi noon ang pintalsik (and I am assuming that you were ANTI-ERAP then) at samantalang ngayon e si GMA naman ang nasa bingit ng alanganin (and I am assuming also that you are PRO-GMA)?



CHIHIRO, lavinia is from CEBU. and she is just speaking her own sentiments. The problem of LAVINIA is dinadamay niya ang sentiments ng ibang tao sa VISAYAS and MINDANAO.

tao yata siya ng mga OSMENA.

the truth is people in VISAYAS and mindanao are already fed up with PGMA. that is the truth.

that is based on statistics. BASED on logic as derived from MATH. based on probabilities as expressed in statistical surveys.

kaya nga mga tao from VISAYAS and MINDANAO nag exodus sa manila to find jobs eh di ba. KC walang trabaho don.

ganoon lang yon.

and the truth is, sawang sawa na mga taga probinsya kay GMA. sa totoo lang taga VISAYAS ako at constant contact ako sa VISAYAS. although i am now in MANILA still i know whats going on in the visayas island.

HEllo lAVINIa. wake up gurl!!!

jonathan said,
July 13, 2005 @ 2:16 pm

kayo naman hindi na mabiro. sobrang seryoso nyo sa mga political posturings. of course hindi mangyayari yong pabrebreak-up ng republic. paano na lang yong mga asawa/gf/kabit nila na tagaibang isla? di kukuha pa cla ng passport para mabisita. too much hustle yon. at saka jjc1384 hindi po kasya sa closet nya ang skeletons na nakolekta nya.

kingboy said,
July 13, 2005 @ 2:25 pm

GMA will be doing all she can to survive her crisis. All she wanted was to keep intact the good name of her father, President Diosdado Macapagal, even to the point of sacrificing the very democratic existence of our country. She is now allied with trapos whose agenda is to perpetuate and augment their political power through a parliamentary government.If they succeed, we can throw all the gains our forefathers fought and died to have in order to attain a democratic republic - the first in Asia.

I call upon our dear president as I quote the words of U.S. Sen. Richard Lugar in 1986: Its time to cut and cut clean. Dont wait for the choppers to extricate you out of the palace. Resign while there is still a space for your successor to save the republic; before the military makes its move and expunge our nations institutions.

Garcigwen said,
July 13, 2005 @ 2:26 pm

pcij.

I have received the email from a friend many days ago. apparently it is making the rounds. I dont know if it qualifies as SPAM. but lavinia is
reposting that. mukhang pangpagulo lang. is that really allowed?
I think, it is just a nasty email to foment class hatred.

lawspeak_007 said,
July 13, 2005 @ 2:41 pm

A few weeks ago, Alecks reminded us of the Rules of this Blog.

Unfortunately, some bloggers are deliberately violating such rules.

It is apparent , then, that some advocates of the rule of law failed to grasp its entire concept and idea just like their idol, gloria.

Alecks Pabico said,
July 13, 2005 @ 2:41 pm

Yes, Garcigwen. This has been reposted several times already in the blog. Will continue monitoring and take the necessary action. Thanks.

pags said,
July 13, 2005 @ 3:04 pm

Hindi magreresign si GMA hanggang andoon pa ung mga ex-generals sa paligid niya. Hindi naman siguro magbackout ng supporta kay GMA yong mga ex-gererals kasi malaki ang pakinabang nila sa kanya. At si lomibao na head ng pnp ay sangkot ang pangalan sa garci tape. Hindi naman siguro gago si GMA na gustong matulad sa sinapit ni erap.
Kahit 99% na ang walang tiwala sa kanya at kahit ilang rally pa ang magaganap hindi pa rin yan magbibitiw.
Ewan ko lang kung uunsad ang impeachment sa kanya. Karamihan ng congressmen ay administrasyon.
Kawawa talaga ang mga Filipino.

tjmaxx said,
July 13, 2005 @ 9:31 pm

IIlan lang naman kayo na puro Resign ang laman ng bibig.
Kung magbibilangan tayo, aba eh mas marami pa ang tao
ngayon na nasa Megamall kaysa sa mga tao na nandoon
ngayon sa kanto ng Ayala at Paseo de Roxas.
Kaya huwag na huwag niyong sasabihin na kayo lang ang
nakaka-alam ng tama at kayo lang ang tama ang pag-unawa.
Mas nakararami ang mga tao na tahimik lang at tuloy pa
rin sa pag-tratrabaho dahil alam naman nating lahat na wala
tayong inaasahang pagbabago kahit sino man ang naka-upo
sa puwesto.

tabz said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:09 pm

if you really feel that way then why comment at all? do you want us all to not care about it anymore and go about our jobs na wlang pakialam? there are rallies because ppl who do care want change. if more ppl would not care anymore then that would be the end of this country. i think we are capable naman of learning from mistakes kya were wanting a lot of changes to be done. i may be an idealistic fool but better idealistic than a normal fool. sa mga tahimik laang, cge steady lng kyo, well do the work for you.

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:15 pm

smilies/icon_smile.gif again very witty tabz. But still I do hope the impeachment will now start. People will be more aware of whats happening through impeachment.

Indeed we will do the work for them.

pingkian said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:36 pm

Our laws and democratic institutions are only as good or as bad as those who dispense and man them. I believe benigO and lavinia know this.

masha said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:17 am

jonathan, to cut somebody off doesnt involve mutilation of body parts. its just an expression na hwag nang pansinin ang isang tao for whatever reason.

kung gusto ng mga taong magtanga-tangahan, thats their choice. pero ako, di ko palalagpasin at lagi kong kokontrahin ang tahasang pandaraya, pagsisinungaling at pagnanakaw lalo na ng mga taong sumumpang tayo ay paglilingkuran. ang tanggapin ang mga ito ay kawalan ng pagkatao.

gma is not concerned about the country. shes concerned with herself and her pride. her husband, eldest son and brother-in-law are out to make the most of her position. iggy is worth at least 200M$ and is one of the richest in congress. e ang balita ko dyan, he was down and out a few years ago. where did that money come from? the tuason-arroyos were not that rich anymore. with gma, their net worths are in the hundreds of millions. grabe. imagine staying in the mansion at the mgm grand? 15K (20k net) a day. the mgm wouldnt give that accommodation to a husband of a president of a 3rd world country. those are for high rollers (1M$ credit line) and celebrities in the frank sinatra level.

by the way, whats the official word on the property in SF in the name of the arroyos? ang mahal ng real estate property dun a. as in.

tanong ko pa. what happened to luli arroyo. kala ko ba siya ang matino one of the lot. di rin pala. pinaninindigan ang kasinungalingan at katiwalian. shes soooo cut off.

penpenpen88 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 10:22 am

si gloria me malacanang sa cebu - kaya alam nyo na kung saan cya dederetso kung successful ang people power ninyo. by jonathan

-if gusto po ng cebu si gloria bat po di nalang sya tumakbo ng mayor ng cebu, doon nlang po sya ayaw po namin sa kanya dito sa manila-

i totally disaggree about the league of municipal mayors, vice mayors, governors, ets that thier constituents stand for GMA. these local offials are standing only for themselves not thier constituents. hati naman ang sakop nila ah. hay buhay nalilito ako by agol

-I agree mga mayors, governors, etc etc lahat sila part ng kabulukan ng mga politicians natin. Kasi almost all of them sangkot sa jueteng. Isang utos lang ng boss nila na stop the jueteng biglang stop na. O di ba impressive?? Eh yung ibang presidents di mapatigil yung jueteng eh.Dyan ka bilib ke kingpin este gloria pla-

Kaya huwag na huwag niyong sasabihin na kayo lang ang
nakaka-alam ng tama at kayo lang ang tama ang pag-unawa. by tjmaxxx
-Were just excercising our right to voice our opinions. We are citizens of this republic. We we do care what happens to it. Most of us do work for a living and in this trying times we want to see that our hard earned money is used right and that person managing our money in trust use it to benefit us all and not just herself-
 

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:07 pm
TO THOSE WHO ARE INTELLIGENT ENOUGH - jueteng allegations and wiretap
conversations

Mag-imbestiga at Alamin ang KATOTOHANAN!

KILALANIN ANG MGA PERSONALIDAD NA NAGBABATO NG AKUSASYON SA ATING ADMINISTRASYON AT HUMIHILING NA BUMABA SA PWESTO SI PGMA:

1. Wilfredo Boy Mayor * Jueteng witness who admits to being a former
operator of jueteng in the Bicol Region.

* He claims to have given Monthly Jueteng Payola to bagmen of Congressman Mikey Arroyo.

* He was an opposition candidate for Mayor in Daraga, Albay in the 2004 elections. He lost the elections.

*Mayor admits that he has no evidence to show that the money he cl aims to have given these bagmen went to Congressman Mikey Arroyo

2. Richard Garcia

* Jueteng witness who is a self-confessed former
operator of the illegal numbers game in the Bicol Region.

* He claims to have given Monthly Jueteng Payola to bagmen of Congressman Mikey Arroyo. He admits that he has no evidence to show that the money he claims to have given these bagmen
went to Congressman Mikey Arroyo

* A former member of the PC-INP and a known asset of Ping Lacson

3. Sandra Cam
* She claims to have personally given Jueteng Payola to Congressman Mikey Arroyo and Congressman Iggy Arroyo at the Congress Session hall(while Congress was in session). She claims to have deposited Jueteng Payola for former Region 5 Regional Director Gen. Restituto Mosqueda.

* Ran for Mayor in Masbate under Reforma in the 2004 elections and lost.

* Has a pending illegal recruitment case and pending large-scale estafa cases.

* Known in Bicol to have engaged in all possible illegal activities and to be close to generals previously assigned in the Bicol region. The staff of known hotels in Bicol would know this.

* Reportedly a lover of Governor Tony Kho

* linked to several election-related incidents, including dynamiting houses of political opponents, kidnapping and murder.

* In her testimony before the Senate, Cam admitted to being a supporter of Governor Tony Kho, who has been charged with masterminding the killing of Representative Tito Espinosa. The case is still pending in court.

4. Archbishop Oscar Cruz

* Says that it is his personal advocacy to stop Jueteng

* His name never came out during the 2000 impeachment trial where jueteng was a key issue.
If it is the archbishops personal advocacy to stop jueteng,why is it only now that Archbishop Cruz is coming out with all these witnesses and accusations ?

* Previously hugged the headlines when he accused Pagcor chairman Efraim Genuino of using female employees of Pagcor as GROs or Guest Relations Officer during a birthday celebration of
First Gentleman Mike Arroyo. This was denied by the Pagcor chairman and the female employees themselves who apparently were with their families during the said birthday celebration. Archbisop Cruz made an apology to the families of the Pagcor female employees.

And thanks to the Catholic Church for realizing early that Ong was not a man with a word of honor. They kicked Ong out of the seminary for not keeping the gentlemans agreement for not giving interviews to press while in the seminary.

5. Alan Paguia
* He initially claimed to be the source of the audio tape

* Known to be a former lawyer of Erap and reportedly gets a monthly salary of 1 Million pesos a month from the detained former president.

* License as a lawyer was suspended by the Supreme Court

* His credibility and background was being questioned; and more critical, was his own admission that he made the annotation and thereby tampered with the original audio tape.

6. Samuel Ong

* Former NBI deputy director
* Came out on National TV on June 10 and claimed that he was the source of the original copy of the audio tape and that it was given to him by an Intelligence official (ISAFP) who was later
identified as Tech. Sgt. Vidal Doble. Doble claims that he was offered 2 Million pesos and his family was threatened by Ong.

* Ong had often organized mass actions to support his ambition to be director of the NBI.

* During the NBI investigation of the Dacer-Corbito murder case, the principal suspect Superintendent Teofilo Vina who could link Ping Lacson to the case was killed in Cavite in January 1993. It is known that Ong who was still influential then as deputy director
had a hand in this to get Lacson of the hook. During the 2004 elections, he was ordered by Lacson to join the FPJ camp to serve as Lacsons eyes and ears.

- AND AFTER ONG WAS BYPASSED BY ARROYO FOR THE TOP NBI POST and chose Wycoco instead.

* He said that he fears for his life. One would wonder how these words would come fro m a person who once aspired to be an NBI director. He chose a career in the National Bureau of Investigation that entails agents to confront death threats on a daily basis. Was the media
presentation, with Ong almost crying out of fear for his life and character actor Rez Cortez beside him a mere sarzuela.

WE SHOULD TAKE NOTE THAT SINCE PGMA BECAME PRESIDENT, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CASE OF AN EXECUTION OR PROLONGED INCARCERATION OF ANY OF HER CIVILIAN CRITICS INSPITE OF THE FACT THAT A LOT THESE CRITICS HAVE GONE OVERBOARD.

7. Jose Marie Gonzalez - voice expert

* Medias so called electronics and communications expert who initially said that the audio tapes were authentic and not tampered. What audio tape was he referring to when Paguias version was (according to Paguia himself) recorded with annotation and thus was tampered. The other so-called original version was only released by Ong on June 10, 2004.

* A former congressman and well-known Erap supporter

* He slapped the house sargeant-at-arms in front of national TV during the transmittal of the impeachment complaint against Erap in late 2000. How uneducated and barbaric!

* Was given a house in Subic and a brand new red Lincoln Navigator during Eraps presidency.

* Reportedly got 10 million from Mayor JV Ejercito for coming out with his expert opinion on the audio tape.

8. Senator Nene Pimentel

* Senate President during the Erap administration.

* resigned from then majority party when the envelope containing the Jose Velarde account was not allowed to be opened by majority of senate members.

* Held the Microphone during PGMAs oath taking at Edsa 2.

* Went back to criticizing PGMA when he was not chosen as Vice President after EDSA 2.

* His No. 1 soldier is his long time ally in PDP Laban - Mayor Jejomar Binay. During EDSA 2, Binay brought in the goons to intimidate protesters from the business community in Makati.
Since then, Makati has been the site of destabilization attempts against PGMA namely the Coup/Mutiny in Oakwood and their planned EDSA 4 in San Carlos last June 11. Binay was one of the first people seen in San Carlos Seminary.

* Still has ambitions to be president.

9. Senator Ping Lacson
* He once said that he despised and he never wants to be a politician.

* He is on his 2nd term as senator and he ran for president during the 2004 elections

* has always portrayed a clean, incorruptible image. he always says that he never took a single centavo from illegal means, jueteng included. He has also boasts of not utilizing his pork barrel.

* Most generous when it comes to envelopmental journalism. Lacson has a pool of media personnel on a monthly payola. Lacsons most effective media tool is mass-based publication
Abante where Ping Lacson writes in a regular column. Mr. Allen Macasaet, Owner of Abante, reportedly has been receiving 5 million pesos a month from Ping Lacson since 2003 . 37 year old Allen Macasaet, lives in posh Ayala Alabang and reportedly owns a Ferrari(worth 12 Million), a BMW 9 series (worth 11Million), a Porsche 911 (worth 10 Million), a Jaguar (worth 8 million), a Range Rover(worth 9 million), two Chevrolet Suburbans (worth 2.5 Million each), a Ford E150 Chateau Van, and a Honda Accord - all purchased brand new. Perhaps,his neighbors in Ayala Alabang can attest to Mr.Allen Macasaets ownership of these luxury vehicles. NO WONDER 95% OF ABANTE HEADLINES IS ANTI-PGMA. And what a good choice of newspaper masang masa could readily reach millions of ordinary filipinos.

* Now comes the Million Dollar Question ???? Where does Senator Ping Lacson (who boasts that he does not get his PhP 200 Million a year pork barrel fund) get funding to finance a successful
senate campaign, a decent but unsuccessful presidential campaign, and still afford a very generous media payola ???

* He has been linked to kidnap-for-ransom of rich Fil-Chinese nationals, illegal drug trafficking, Kuratong-Baleleng massacre, Dacer-Corbito slay.

* In 1993, Ping Lacson reportedly was getting the biggest monthly payola from jueteng lord and convicted rapist-murderer Mayor Antonio Sanchez of Calauan, Laguna. Thus, the attempt to cover-up Mayor Sanchezs crime by initially pointing to Kit Alqueza, son of general Dictador Alqueza, as the mastermind of the celebrated rape-slay of Aileen Sarmenta and boyfriend Allan Gomez. Ping Lacson was then head of PACC who presented the young Kit Alqueza to then vice-president Erap Estrada and media.

* Ping Lacson has had access to suppliers of wire-tapping devices as early as his PACC days. During a raid of the CIDG after EDSA 2, wire-tapping devices purchased during Ping Lacsons term as PNP chief were confiscated from camp crame and stored in CIDGs warehouse. Said confiscated devices remain stored in the CIDG warehouse until this day.

* With his seemingly infinite monetary resources and political clout as 2nd termer senator, it is highly probable that Ping Lacson himself owns the latest model of wire-tapping/ bugging devices.

* Even with the exposure of his links to people behind the audio tape, he was still the one who had the tape authenticated by a private australian firm.

* He came out with the results from the Australian firm on the night Friday, June 10. How could he have gotten a copy of the original when Sammy Ong (who claims to be acting on his own and says he does not know Ping Lacson)only surfaced with the so-called original copy on the afternoon of June 10? The previously claimed original was the annotated and tampered version
of Alan Paguia.

* Ping Lacsons former men in the PACC that could implicate him in his criminal activities are either dead (Supt. John Campos, Supt. Teofilo Vina, Kit Mateo) or hiding in the US ( Michael Ray Aquino and Cesar Mancao). Lacson quickly points to his enemies as behind the execution of his
former trusted aides. If this allegation were true, why would Lacsons enemies target his men instead of killing him (Lacson). Who ordered the execution and hiding of his former men before the May 2004 elections to make sure that no one could directly implicate Lacson in his criminal
activities. Perhaps Samuel Ong should fear Lacson as Ong is also a person who could implicate Lacson in the present destabilization moves.

* After the 2004 elections, Ping Lacson became supportive of PGMAs government and even did not join the oppositions protest actions during FPJs wake. He believed then that if he behaved this way, he would be a sure bet for President come 2010. However, he again started to be PGMAs biggest critic recently. Perhaps PGMAs illegal drugs campaign which has closed down the most number of Shabu Laboratories in recent years and anti-kidnapping campaign is already affecting Lacsons treasure chest and he fears that by 2010, his funds would not be enough to run a successful presidential campaign against a popular Mar Roxas.

10. Erap, Jinggoy, Loi and JV Ejercito
* They clearly want one thing : to exact revenge on PGMA

* This is very evident at how Senator Jinggoy and Loi have been grandstanding during the senate inquiry on jueteng.

* Senator Jinggoy and San Juan Mayor JV Ejercito were one of the first people to join Sammy Ong ( who said that he was acting on his own and the he was calling on Ms. Susan Roces to join him) in San Jose Seminary. They were interviewed over ANC and both Jinggoy and JV
attacked PGMA and repeatedly said that the opposition had an executive committee, with ERAP as ex-officio chairman, that was ready to replace the administration in case we are miraculously swept into power..

- Boracay mansion?, Rest house in Rizal? Laarni Estate?, Couple thousand pesos worth of wine consumed by Erap daily?, extravagant and lavish lifestyle of Estradas? Luxury cars, Vans, Resorts, owned by them? Ganon ba kaguapo at kaganda ang katawan para maging action star si Jinggoy para kumita ng milyon milyon sa pelikula? Eraps endless womanizing, morals, gambling, whose only legit earnings mostly came from showbiz? against an already known rich
family of the Tuasons and Arroyos? - Whos probably more corrupt? Why not attack PGMA directly? Coz they cant see any reason to attack? So they go attacking PGMAs family coz they dont know how to attack PGMA.

We Filipinos should investigate further why key people coming out with all these accusations and calls on PGMA to step down have in one way or the other been linked to leaders in the opposition like Ping Lacson or Erap. We should not take everything that media comes out with as absolute truths since it is already our countrys future that is being threatened by these people. During the wake of FPJ last year, it was already reported that the opposition was hatching a plan to bring down the Arroyo administration.

The opposition clearly wanted to use FPJs death to bring down PGMA. Susan Roces herself mentioned to a confidant during the wake that some opposition leaders then were convincing her to lead them in bringing down PGMA. If indeed the opposition had in its possession the audio tape that they claim to be a phone conversation made immediately after the May 2004
elections between PGMA and Comelec Commissioner Garcilliano, why did they not come out with the audio tape during the wake or burial of FPJ when millions of FPJ mourners were out on the streets ?

It could have easily resulted to an early end to the Arroyo administration. Perhaps they were still working on the tape with their expert engineers during that time.

The people behind the efforts to bring down PGMA have not succeeded in spite of the desperate moves they have made primarily because they have never been united. They have several leaders who all want to be acknowledged as the legitimate and the unanimous opposition leader.
There is Erap and his families who want to regain lost glory and power; there is a Ping Lacson who despises politicians and yet desperately aims to be president; and there is Nene Pimentel who still dreams of becoming president which he hopes would happen before his eye bags cover his face. All these destabilization moves is a result of the individual aspirations of these people to grab power.

Susan Roces has experienced this when the opposition could not even unite behind a strong FPJ during the 2004 elections. She experienced this during her husbands wake and burial when public sympathy was there but again the opposition was not united. She experienced this
during the oppositions planned call for an EDSA 4 last June 11 when according to her confidant, the opposition were still fighting among themselves even during the early hours of June 11 on what moves to take. At around 2:30 am of June 11, Senator Ping Lacson, Senator
Jinggoy Estrada, Senator Serge Osme؟a, Senator Jamby Madrigal and Mayor Binay were in Manila Peninsula Hotel in Makati discussing their next steps but still arguing on the details as well as to who would be their leader when they succeed in bringing down PGMA. Susan Roces
was supposed to call for their supporters to March to the streets. According to her confidant, Susan Roces just decided to call for sobriety and just manifest her moral support for Sammy Ong out of disgust over the oppositions squabbling. The oppositions plan for another EDSA did not and will not succeed because the people know the oppositions motives. Of the many witnesses paraded in the Senate Inquiry and media, not a single person would pass as a credible witness.

And why even calls for NOLI to resign also? Is Loren, who was teary eyed over the siding of Pimentel to the then opposition more popular to the masses, considering she was even rejected by the masses and even the opposition themselves when she decided to run as FPJs running mate (since GMA could not really choose another woman as running mate?)? Do you honestly think also that Noli cheated Loren? Oh, Cmon!

Who is their alternative? Who should lead us then? Angara and Lacson cant unify Pimentel and Enrile are also at odds Abat? Lumbao? Bayan Muna? and other left wing party groups
who were present during toppling of ERAP? It seems like they are against every president. Just recently, they went on a presscon with the ESTRADAS joined hands? Is that what you
call unity?

According to the UP College of Psychology, the typical characteristics of a CREDIBLE WITNESS are :

1) The witness is close to the person being accused

* A good example given by the UP College of Psychology is Governor Chavit Singson who was part of Eraps inner circle or midnight cabinet. He was very close to the Erap and practically knew the day-to-day activities of the former president which made him a credible witness in the impeachment trial.

2) The witness has an untainted moral background

* A good example given by the UP College of Psychology was Clarissa Ocampo who testified that Erap signed the name Jose Velarde in front of her. Clarissa Ocampo was then Vice President of Equitable-PCI Bank with an unblemished record of integrity and professionalism.

Now, lets say for instance that it is infact PGMA in the tapes, and it is Garcillano that she was talking to, MERON BA SIYANG SINABING MANDAYA!?! MERON BA SIYANG SINABING IBAHIN ANG RESULTA?

MERON BA SIYANG SINABING DAGDAGAN ANG BOTO NIYA? MERON BA SIYANG SINABING SIGURUHIN ANG PAGKAPANALO NIYA? It is very clear SHE WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ANY POLITICIAN WOULD. And do you honestly think that none of the opposition candidates talked to commissioners, regional directors of the COMELEC to ask their standing? or to assess what was happening? PGMA merely asked if she was gonna still lead a million if so and so and that if Biazon loses in an area, so and so They we questions. NOT DIRECTIVES.

MAYBE IF THE OPPOSITION ARE NOT SO HUNGRY FOR POWER AND UNITED. MAYBE IF PING BRO EDDIE ETC ALL GAVE WAY TO FPJ MANINIWALA PA TAYONG NANDAYA NGA SI PGMAMAYBE IF ALL AND I SAY ALL OF THE SURVEYS PRIOR TO ELECTION TIME DID NOT
SAY PGMA WOULD DEFINITELY WIN, close but statistically significant lead.

MANINIWALA PA TAYONG NANDAYA SI PGMA

MAYBE IF FPJ ANSWERED ALL INTERVIEW QUESTIONS DURING THE CAMPAIGN, ATTENDED DEBATES, ETC SO FILIPINOS WOULD KNOW HIS PLATFORM

BUT EVEN IF YOU PUT ALL VOTES TO FPJ FOR ALL THE PRECINTS ELECTION RETURNS THE OPPOSITION WANTED TO BE OPENED DURING THE CANVASSING AND ZERO TO PGMA, PGMA WOULD STILL WIN BY 600T. AND NOW THEYRE SAYING DI SILA PINAGBIGYAN NA MABUKSAN ANG MGA BALOTA. Coz all they wanted was for congress NOT TO BE ABLE TO PROCLAIM a PRESIDENT by the 30th of JUNE when it should have so that everything would be in limbo since congress was already adjourned SINE DIE.

SO WHO REALLY WON? BRO. EDDIE WHO SAYS there were 2MILLION during his preelection rally? Roco who did not have a machinery? Lacson and FPJ whose votes were divided? OR GMA who was consistently top in the surveys, won in exit polls by GMA7 and ABS-CBN, DAILY INQUIRER, in an election that was pronounced GENERALLY PEACEFUL AND CLEAN elections by the CBCP, foreign governments, diplomats, international observers?

WHO LOST? NO ONE DID Coz nadaya silang lahat And which election in the philippines was 100% fraud free? It was the opposition led by ENRILE who started DAGDAG BAWAS thats why Pimentel is at odds with him because he lost in previous senatorial elections

DOES PGMA REALLY HAVE TO CONFIRM IS SHE WAS THE ONE IN THE TAPES? ITS REALLY UP TO HER. WHATS MORE IMPORTANT NOW? DEAL WITH WHAT SEEMS TO BE AN OBVIOUS DESTABILIZATION ATTEMPT (IN A TIME WHERE THEY KNOW PGMA WOULD BE VERY
VULNERABLE AND WEAK DUE TO VERY LOW RATINGS BROUGHT ABOUT BY HER UNPOPULAR BUT NEEDED PASSING OF VAT? INCREASE IN FUEL? ETC?) OR FOCUS ON THE COUNTRYS ECONOMIC RECOVERY AND PROBLEMS ON POVERTY???

THEY SAY THAT PGMAS ADMINISTRATION IS SUPPRESSING BASIC RIGHTS Yes its true that DOJ, NBI, LTFRB issued warnings against these tapes, BUT HAS ANY SINGLE PERSON BEEN ARRESTED FOR POSSESSING IT? Lima singko nga sa quiapo, internet. Pinamumudmod pa ng opposition. Halos lahat ng tv at radio stations, lahat ng news. NARINIG NA NG LAHAT.
So bakit pa kailangang pakinggan sa congress? This is DEFINITELY NOT A CASE LIKE THE SECOND ENVELOPE. The contents of the envelope were NOT known to ordinary people, NOT known even to the senators, NO ONE until just recently BUT THE TAPES everyone knows SO MAYBE LETS JUST USE THESE TAPES (which do not really prove fraud to begin with), TO USE AND PROVOKE THE POOR FILIPINOS ULTIMATELY UNSEAT PGMA SO THAT THE DISUNITED OPPOSITION WITH NO DIRECTION COULD ONCE AGAIN BE IN POWER??

MAG-IMBESTIGA AT ALAMIN NATIN ANG KATOTOHANAN !!!GAMITIN ANG TALINO WAG ANG DAMDAMING PAMPELIKULA LANG! TAMA NA ANG MGA EXPERTO SA PANLILINLANG AT PAGARTE PARANG SA PELIKULA! WHAT THESE DESTABLIZERS ARE STAGING IS REALLY AN EXCELLENT SCRIPT THAT WOULD REALLY HURT ANY POOR FILIPINOS HEART. TAMA NA ANG PAG-GAMIT SA MASANG PILIPINO.
PLEASE SURIIN MABUTI ANG MGA NANGYAYARIMAG IBESTIGA AT ALAMIN ANG TUNAY NA KATOTOHANAN.

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 9:00 pm

smilies/icon_smile.gif TaroyCayetano1. mahaba-habang paliwanag ah nag imbestiga ako at napag-alaman ko na

1. 7.50 na pamasahe sa jeep
2. simula noong maupo si GMA pinakababa na budget sa eduk
3. ang kapatid kong top notcher sa board exam ay sinuwelduhan lang ng gobyerno ng P1800 kada quincina
4. ang mga guro sa aming bayan simula noong maupo si GMA ay hindi na nakatikim pa ng increase sa sahod
5. number one ang pilipinas sa pinakamaraming journalist ang pinapatay
6. number one na ang pilipinas sa pinakakurakot sa mundo
7. narinig ko si GMA sa tape na nag hahanap ng 1milliong boto mula kay garcillano
8. at si CHAVIT singson ay isang gambling LORD
9. at napakahaba ng iyong isinulat na nasabi kong
8. aba nagsimula na ang taktika ni PGMA na pinamagatang: SAVE THE SINGKING SHIP

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 9:04 pm

eto pa hindi ko makakalimutang GMA kept mum for almost 15 days regarding the tape issue only to say IM SORRY it was my voice on the tape

TaroyCayetano1 narining mo ba ang sinabi niyang YUNG DAGDAG, YUNG DAGDAG.

the GLORIAGATE tape is just the bomb that caused the explosion. pero sa totoo lang

naku TaroyCayetano1 kung nakasalamuha mo lang sana ang mga nagbebenta ng mani at mineral water sa kalye kung nakasalamuha mo lang sana ang mga jeepney driver at kung nakakausap mo lang sana ang mga sikyu

kung nakausap mo lang sana ang mga GURO.

At sana, wish ko lang, di ka kasama ng pekeng pangulo.

sayang yong boto ko sayang

enlightened_pinay said,
July 14, 2005 @ 9:07 pm

Im glad that I finally found a group where most people share the same sentiments that I have. Junkadz, Timawang_batas, Chichiro, F1, Butsukoy, Masha, saludo ako sa inyo, you speak your minds very well. You were able to express the things that have been bothering me all along. Most of the people i get to talk to kasi eh mga pasosyal (ayaw kunwari maki side sa gusto ng masa) or nagbubulag bulagan/walang saring pag iisip (ang pinapakinggan lang ang sinasabi ng nanay nila or ng pari sa parish nila).

But Im just a but disappointed that one person in this site took time to cut & paste a forwarded email thats been spreading like wildfire for 2 weeks already, ayaw ko sanang makisama sa kuyug but thats you Lavinia.

Masha, youre asking about where Chavit gets all his wealth. Alam mo ba na right after Edsa 2 may binigay na lupa sa Pasig yang si Gloria kay Chavit, a sequestered property originally owned by the Ortigases. Pinapa lease nya yung lupa sa mga building owners, kumikita sya ng malaki out of doing nothing. And thats just one of the many reasons why he is that filthy rich.

TJmaxx, i work at the enterprise center, the twin towers in ayala cor paseo de roxas. You dont know what youre saying when you compared the number of strollers in airconditioned megamall versus the number of people in the makati rally yesterday.

Everyone, lets continue to be vigilant, lets keep our eyes & ears open. Wag basta basta maniniwala sa mga politiko (i mean both na nasa administrasyon & opposition) dahil pare pareho lang silang may mga pang sariling interes. If more Filipinos will be as free-thinking and idealistic as you are, then theres still a flicker of HOPE for our country.

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 9:10 pm

TaroyCayetano1 GMA never was a consistent survey topper not until her own NAMFREL and her own COMELEC started the magic. not until her own NAMFREL started counting her votes in her bailiwicksbut not counting FPJs vote (in his bailiwicks).

hello magising sa katotohanan. tulungan na ang bayan.. at huwag na pagamit sa mapanlinlang na pamahalaang hindi naman makatotohanan.

of course you know all of these of course

kaya nga YUNG DAGDAG YUNG DAGDAG

enlightened_pinay said,
July 14, 2005 @ 9:22 pm

TaroyCayetano1 = Mike Defensor????
just a theory

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 9:25 pm

enlightened_pinay said,
TaroyCayetano1 = Mike Defensor????
just a theory



puede pero Im more inclined to equate:

TaroyCayetano1 = iGNACIO BUNYE????

masha said,
July 14, 2005 @ 10:08 pm

taroy cayetano 1, umiikot yan sa email bakit ni re recycle pa dito? pr ka rin ba ni ate glo?

ako pagnaglista, number one pa lang tapos na ang boxing.

for gma

1) mike arroyo - no description needed.

at kahit sino pa yang mga inilista mo di mo maikakaila yung tapes. pasensya na lang at ang amo mo ay nagpahuling nandaraya.

enlightened_pinay, kailangan kasi linisin ang cobwebs ng pag-iisip ng mga tao. lets go back to the essence of the issue. totoo ba yung tapes? ang sagot, undeniably, yes. susunod na tanong , meron bang sinabi si gma na nagsasabing nandaya siya? claro. sa ginawa niya, karapat dapat ba siyang maging presidente? hindi. yun lang.

pinagugulo ang usapan ng marami sa mga options. i go for the consittutional successor. tiis tayo muna. pero ang tanggapin ang garapalang pandaraya, di ko kaya.

Salvatore said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:11 am

TaroyCayetano= MIKE ARROYO!

Kase wala lang siya magawa sa Tate kaya ayun ke haba ng sinulat.

zorros said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:55 am

TaroyCayetano1.
Hinde mo yata nabanggit sina;
1. Rosebud
2. Col. Corpuz
3. Ador Mawanay (this is a good one)
4. Sgt. Doble
5. Yung messenger na witness sa Pidal expose ni FGMA sa LTA
6. Jose Pidal
7. Mr. Noted (very popular during the canvassing sa congress)
8. William Gatchalian (plastic king)
9. Bong Pineda
10. Iggy Arroyo
..etc..
1000. And the best of all is Chavit Singson.

carping pinoy said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:28 am

(Share ko lang po, sa lahat ng mga PINOY)

Ang Malungkot na OFW

Akoy isang hamak na OFW lamang.
Boses koy ayaw pakikinggan.
Marahil sguroy kaliwat kanang iringan,
Walang humpay na batikusan.

Dapat sana ako ay masaya
Dahil ang pera kong ipapadala,
Lumalaking parang dambuhala.
Dahil sa pesoy bumaba na.

Sige, sige! Mag-rally pa tayo!
Nang lalong sumadsad ang Peso.
Nakararaming Pilipinoy
Itoy namay gusto.

Hingi ko lang wag nyo po
Kaming kalilimutan
Dahil remittance namin
Ay bumubuhay sa Inang Bayan

Ilang beses na naming napatunayan,
Asian Financial Crisis
Ang Pinas ang di masyadong naapektuhan.
Kami bayani na dapat tatandaan.

Akoy nalulungkot at nagdalamhati
Sa Pinas ayaw ng employer kung puti.
Pag-hire nila ditoy masamat
Walang ikakabuti.

Tanong ko kung bakit?
Hindi naman nila sinabing dahil sa Gloriagate
At lalong hindi sa jueteng na ginigiit.
Sagot nilay gulo ay laging nang-aakit.

Sayang ang Pinoy ang ambisyoy makalabas,
Biktima sila sa gulong dinadanas.
Sabagay matagal na tayong bagsak.
Ikinalulungkot koy Pinoy rin ang nagpapa-unlak.

Malaking boses o hindi, itoy di basehan,
Matalino mat mangmang ay wala sa usapan.
Ang malaking tanong koy ating pag-isipan.
Pinoy ano bang naitutulong mo sa ekonomiya
ng ating BAYAN?

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:01 am

ano ba yan. SPAMMING na nga FLOODING pa.

carping pinoy said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:53 am

Hehehe! Sorry! Lapse in judgement lang po na na-spam at na-flood ko pa ang hinaing ko. I love you CHIHIRO!

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:21 am

i love you too carping pinoy!

carping pinoy said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:37 am

Hi! Good evening po sa lahat! More power sa blog na ito! Lumalabas na ang dami pala nating matatalino sa bansang ito na nakibahagi sa kanilang mga pananaw.

Isa lang po ang tanong ko: Bat hindi tayo umaasenso?

I love you all!

zorros said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:59 am

On an economic standpoint the Masa (including the farm sector) has an equal weight and importance as to those needs of the middle class. In fact addressing the needs of the majority poor should be the primodal objective of the government and while doing that it would spur economic activity.

The economic growth of this country would greatly depend on the improvement of the living standard of the popular mass. The business elite and those in the Middle class sector are wrong to assume that they are the economic savor of this country. If we follow the argument and mentality of the few taxpayers-middleclass then that would be a hindrance to our economic growth (i.e. the middle-class would normally sneer to a pro-poor, pro-masa president).

Economic (journal) research concludes that the poor (including farm sector) are Rational when it comes to consumption and investments. Yes, my dear yuppies, the poor are rational investors just like the guy in barong or suits in Makati.

A mid-management guy who participate in the stock market (but would pretend that he understand the market itself and thus qualifying him a non-gambler and prefer to be called as speculator c** long-term investor) is no more risk averse (or risk taker) than a guy that would bet in Jueteng.

In terms of consumption and expenditure - look at CHINA for crying out loud. Do I have to explain that also to those educated / taxpayer who dont want to participate in the GLORIA resign rally kasi panay jologs daw ang nanduon. Well baka nga kailangan explain sa kanila kasi yung; Hello!! Garci! and yung, dagdag,yung dagdag eh hinde nila ma-gets.

enlightened_pinay said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:26 am

Lumalabas na ang dami pala nating matatalino sa bansang ito na nakibahagi sa kanilang mga pananaw.

Isa lang po ang tanong ko: Bat hindi tayo umaasenso?


Simple lang carping pinoy, kasi hindi lang naman talino ang sagot para umaasenso, but moral integrity. Deans lister ka nga sa Georgetown, wala ka namang alam kungdi mandaya at manlamang ng kapwa pano ka aasenso.

Ang dapat eh mabago ang kulturang pinoy na katulad ng katamadan, mahilig sa lagay at palakasan.

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:34 am

^ hear hear!

masha said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:39 am

tingin ko naman kaya wala tayong asenso ay dahil walang respeto sa batas at mga patakaran ang mga tao at nangunguna na ang mga maykaya at mga nasa poder. this gives a bad precedent to everybody that the laws can be flouted. the result is walang disiplina. everybody thinks they can be an exception to the rule. pag nahuli puro pakiusap at kamot ulo. pag may ginawang mali, panindigan dapat. also, itong mga cabinet secretaries na pinangungunahan ni angelo reyes at raul gonzales, ay gumagamit ng wangwang para mauna sa mga tao sa daan. kahit si davide na 5 ang plaka ay di gumagamit nun. ang ginagawa nya ay umaalis siya ng maaga kaya 6:30am pa lang ay nasa office na siya.

ang pinoy na naninirahan abroad ay usually umaasenso dahil sa pagrespeto sa patakaran ng at nirerespeto ang mga patakaran sa bansang kanyang tinitirahan.

sa pilipinas, semi-anarchy.

koj said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:51 am

zorros, oks na sana yung diskurso mo, kaso sinamahan mo ng hello garci, jologs at yung dagdag nawala ang essence

the reason why the poor are rational consumers is that they buy only the things they need for survival as those are the things they can afford. when your take is just enough to meet things ends, chances are youll make it a point that everything you buy will be worth the price youll pay

china is like that and mind you, the laborers there are paid below what is perceived as minimum wagethey cannot complain (or they do it in private) because of the scarcity of jobs and the availability of new warm bodies who could easily take their place in case they fall shortthe cheap labor they have attracts investors the most

whats ironic is that they are not as free as we are, they cannot send govt hitting blogs like we do and yet they prosper, at least to the news we readnews of human rights violations is quite high as well, though

while im not advocating their form of govt, their discipline, hardwork and survival instincts did wonders for them

minsan masyadong malaya ang pinoy, tumatanda tayong paurong

ef612 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:32 am

If GMA has image-maker in the person of Lupita Kashiwahara, she has also a lot of image-destroyer in the persons of Raul Gonzales, Mike Defensor, Ignacio Bunye and Chavit Singson, Mike,Mikey and Iggy Arroyo to name a few.

If she is really sincere to purge her surrounding of undesirable individuals, then it is about time for her to
kick these people out of her sight.

And one of them as I mentioned is this guy Raul. He doesnt help the president to survive. In fact he contibutes a lot to make her image not so very nice. He contributes a lot to her downfall. He is one of the reasons why GMAs rating is very very low. He is one of the most undesirable if not the most undesirable persons that surround her.

If I were Gloria, Ill kick him out before he gives a lot of damage on her credibility. And Ill kick all these people I mentioned to show to the people that she is really serious to implement reforms.

d_entrep said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:16 pm

TaroyCayetano1HiIdol na kita ang husay mo
bilib sana ako sayo kasi mukhang
pinag aralan at pinag isipang maigi(mukhang hindi scripted)
bakit di mo isinama sa mga sinaliksik mo(sa mga script)
Pls next time try to add this guys below:
1)FVR
2)JDV
3)Nani Perez
4)Montano Boys
5)at iba pa

believe me after Glorias presidency
no more Macapagal will have a chance to enter into politics
love them or hate them ESTRADAS are here to stay
and still Filipinos will continue to believe in them and will continue to support them.

huwag ka sana magagalit kasi you are undermining the credibility
of the persons in your blog we respect your column
but the issue is the cheating president not them
lets us not confuse ourselves and our own moral standards.

You sound like a PR man from Malacanang much lesser than that of Sec. of Justice Raul Gonzales.Malamang isa sa mga Idol mo
Ok lang sa akin kung sabihin mo na pakwala ako ng Opposition
peace bro.sana maliwanagan na tayo

zorros said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:01 pm

Medyo, napagod ako mag-type, kaya need to end it with the Hello! Garci

Anyway, on top of what you said about China, China is a humungous whopping nation of consumer. The money / investment is there not only of the cheap labor but also their appetite to consume (translated in numbers). Sa Pilipinas, a majority of our population which they called the Masa are in some retrospect a huge consumer base. By Improving their life by giving job, infrastrcuture, finance, and education we create a new set of middle class. But even if they dont achieve middle class status yet they are still consumers. Kaya nauso yung mga tingi, like cigarillo and the sachet na shampoo.

I think by summarily dismissing their ideals and voices we end up ignoring their importance and tend to downplay their relevance in our political system. We always hear from the business sector and from the white collar workers make fun of them the Masa during rallies, during election (for voting Erap and FPJ), and for even making opinion. On the ethical ground, kaya siguro GMA thought that she can get away by a mere sorry to the current audio tape scandal. Mukhang minaliit nya ang kakayahan ng mga mahihirap. The point is we need leaders who can address the broad spectrum of our society address the needs of the middle class by addressing the needs of the poor (paano kaya iyun?).

In any case, if GMA argues that she should remain indignant and should not resign because the country needs her (economic expertise, I would presume but definitely not moral guidance) then she is in a losing proposition.

With or Without GMA, Filipnos will still CONSUME food (lucky me, pan de sal, rc cola, diet coke, C2, rice, ludys peanut butter, fried chicken, balut, ice cream, tuyo, banana cue, tanduay etc); BUY Consumer items (happee toothpaste, papaya soap, detergent, shampoo, trust, biogesic etc..); ACQUIRE the help of Professional / personal Services (physician, albularyo, barbers, beautician, banking, insurance, atm, cellphone repairman, massage etc..); Make USE of Infrastructure (telecom, cell phone, tv / internet cable, NLEX, SLEX, electricity, water, airport, housing etc); AVAIL of Government Services (permits, SSS, birth certificate, etc.), all these translate to money. Hence, even though the Poor or the Masa does not pay taxes they are a major participant in the general dynamics of our economy.

jemasan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:30 pm

Kung hindi lang takot na makulong si pandak,baka payag na siyang mag-resign.Kaya takot na takot siyang bumaba dahil sa bigat ng kasong haharapin pag hindi na siya presidente,kaya suma tutal ayaw niyang umalis sa pwesto niya di ba mga kabayan.
From: Jesse M. Sanchez

jemasan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:38 pm

Bukas yata tuloy ang rally ng mga pro GMA sa grandstand,kaya ating abangan ang bagong pakulo ng gobyernong Arroyo.Sana maging maganda ang buhos ng tao para malaman natin ang mga perang ipapamudmod nila bukas.Kaya mga pare punta kayo at malaki yata ang bigayan ng mga pupunta doon sa rally bukas.Sayang ang makukuha nating kopnting barya para makatulong namanntutal lahat galing naman sa ninakaw ng mga sipsip na official ni Gloria at ang pamilia niya,lalo na si Mike at Mikey,Igi lahat sila yumaman at tayo naman ay naghirap sa buhay.

bukolitos said,
July 16, 2005 @ 12:40 am

GMAs trust rating have no way to go but down. She is blaming everybody for her trust rating except herself. Her cronies doesnt want to hear the meaning of what Garcillano was telling GMA. Even if she is impeach which I doubt, she wont be found guilty. She is willing to spend the peoples money to make sure that she survives this crisis. She has already release or due to release 600M for his cronies constituents. I wonder if this funds will really go to the poor people in the province who might not be aware of it or to the governors who will make sure that the people - except their cronies - will not hear about it.
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:09 pm
Election has already ended. Congress says that we have the newly elected President and Vice President. Last July, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, and Noli de Castro was proclaimed to be our new sets of people who will govern our country, but do we all agree to these decision? Do people of the Philippines unite from this outcome?

Well it’s for you to decide. Everyday news channel has only one common topic. One that is very familiar to us is the traffic due to

the number of people who went outside the street, shouting for the name of Fernando Poe Jr. the candidate whom they want to win and is said to be victim. Victim of the power and money that newly elected president had. Rallies are everywhere in Manila. Noise barrage is being heard wherever we go. People unites by bringing placards saying “GLORIA, GLORIA, MANDARAYA”, some are “KUNGRESO BUKSAN NA! PARA KATOTOHANAN LUMABAS NA!” these are only few of the quotes that people want to convey.

But if it is true that Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo did cheat on the said election, why do still a lot of the people in congress don’t give a bid support to the camp of Poe? Is it because he has no educational background? Or it’s just a fact that Filipino people still believe and hope for the leadership of Arroyo?

Whatever the reasons are we should always think wise. It is hard to accuse somebody without collecting even some facts. But to these, we must keep our honesty and remember that liars and cheaters survive but the truth shall prevail.
 

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:09 pm
IT was a showbiz extravaganza. Alma Moreno and Lorna Tolentino were there. So were director Joel Lamangan, who served as fiery emcee, and several other members of filmdom�s glitterati. But the biggest star was of course, Susan Roces, who was mobbed by the crowd when she arrived on Ayala Avenue. At 6:45 p.m., before a raucous crowd she finally spoke. It was vintage Susan: a combination of homespun wisdom and this time, perceptibly more subtle digs at President Arroyo. (Mrs. Poe this evening was a much kinder, calmer and gentler version of the fiery Susan we last saw at Club Filiipino on June 29, two days after the presidential apology.)

Addressing the youth this evening, Roces said, "Ang pandaraya ay mali at di dapat tularan. (Cheating is bad and should not be followed.)" She also deplored what she said was the Arroyo administration�s various ways of "evading" the issues and "confusing" the public with calls for charter change. She stressed the need to use peaceful means to resolve the crisis. "Wag tayong basta magtitiwala o maniniwala. Kailangang suriin nating mabuti kung �yan ba ay makabubuti sa atin. Kung �yan ba ay mabibiyayaan ang nakararami. Ang kinabukasan ninyo ang mahalaga para sa amin (Let us not trust what they say. We have to study whether the options being presented will do us good, whether these will benefit the majority. Our future is important.)

Many hours before Roces finally spoke the crowd had already warmed up. There was singing and dancing, as popular tunes whose words were customized for the occasion blared from sound systems atop jeeps on various corners of the avenue. The banners were present, so were Garci effigies, and monochrome umbrellas painted with letters spelling out OUST GLORIA.

The crowd was made up of followers of organized political groups, ranging from opposition parties (pro-FPJ, pro-Erap and pro-Lacson), NGOs and political movements (all the various Left groups were here). The banners were obviously well prepared. There was even a stage with a dressing room behind it. While the mood was upbeat, it did not quite have the spontaneity of Edsa 1 and Edsa 2.

Here are some of the photos taken earlier:







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johnmarzan said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:11 pm

While the mood was upbeat, it did not quite have the spontaneity of Edsa 1 and Edsa 2.

of course not. because it was a scheduled rally and not meant to be a �people power� type gathering ala Edsa.

We�re not there� yet.

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:13 pm

your correct john. it wasn�t meant to be like EDSA 1 and 2. It was a scheduled rally. Although I am at work at that time, i did went out to join the rally during my 1 hour break.

DocGo said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:28 pm

If I were in RP, I would�ve joined you guys. I am with you in spirit�GMA must resign!

pingkian said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:42 pm

Hello DocGo,

You dont have to be hear. You just have to help us to advance our cause to our fellow filipinos and friends from where you are, by being active in this blog and other chat rooms. God bless you.

Mang Kyabeli said,
July 13, 2005 @ 10:45 pm

Naisip niyo na ba kung ano ang mangyayari kung mag-resign si Gloria? Kutob naman natin lahat na nandaya siya pero hindi natin pinansin dahil ayaw natin kay FPJ. Bakit ngayon na lumabas ang baho, bigla tayong nagpapataasan ng ihi? Sige tingnan natin kung gaano katagal nakaupo si Noli bago magka-coup.

Askal said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:35 pm

hindi yan rally para sa pagbabago� yan ay isang fiesta!!!

walang kabuluhan�

does not represent the sentiments of the whole nation�

sa manila lang ang gulo� sa probinsiya tuloy ang buhay�
wala ng makikibaka sa kanila�

sana kayo diyan sa manila� mag trabaho na kayo!� magsikap huwag maging tamad!� traffic lang idinidulot ninyo�

may pag-asa pa tayo� magsimula tayo sa sarili natin�
disiplina lang ang kailangan�.

kaya� sundin ang saligang batas� kung may pagkakasala man dapat dalhin sa tamang lugar� huwag diyan sa daan para kayong mga Askal�!!!

pagod na ako!!! pero pilit kung tinatanggap ang lahat dahil ako ay isang pinoy� Astig ito!!!

Leo said,
July 13, 2005 @ 11:47 pm

Ito pa lang ang simula ng wakas.. Maging maingat lang po tayo gaya ng lagi ko ng ipinaaalala� Hindi ganoon kadali, ang pagpapaalis kay GMA, nasa likuran niya si FVR at ang kanyang batalyon upang supilin ang sinomang haharang sa kanilang daan� Kaya ang simbahan ay hindi pumanig sa sambayanan na paalisin si GMA sapagkat alam nila na kapag sila ang nanawagan sa sambayanan na mag-aklas laban kay GMA� sila sila ang magkakaubusan..kaya minabuti na lang nila na manahimik sa unang pagkakataon�.(edsa 1, edsa 2 sila ang pasimuno) ngayon kay GMA � tameme sila� sus ginoo. Kaya umatras si Cory, sa isip niya, tama na ang isang Ninoy.. Tandaan natin.. ito ang simula ng walang hanggang wakas�.

noelet said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:04 am

That�s why Askal is not in Ayala. He doesn�t believe in pagbabago. Referring to a pinoy fiesta = walang kabuluhan? Demeaning surveys showing GMA negative trust rating? And ofcourse the geographic comment� simple its not the sentiments of the nation.

Ang baho kaso ng Malacanan mas malakas ang amoy sa Manila. Well, maybe its because Malacanan is in Manila. Kahit namn sa US ang mga tao pag me issue kay Bush sa Washington sila nagrarally, hindi sa probinsya.

San ba pinaguusapan ang jueteng-gate, hello-garci? Dba sa Tongreso? Saan ba ang tongreso? Sa Batasan Hills. Nasa QC. Ang Kongreso na nagiimbestiga ng mga iskandalong kinasasangkutan ni GMA ay nasa Maynila. Ang pangulong iniimbestigahan ay nasa Malacanan. San ba ang Malacanan. Ok take a guess�

The fact is we are far from the the crime scene which is Mindanao. But Manila is very much near from the criminal.

noelet said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:09 am

Manila is like a small Philippines. Overcrowded with the different ethnic groups. May Bisaya, may muslim, may kapampangan� etc.

Or we can isolate the anti-Arroyo Cebu rally.

jeralmo said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:36 am

if i am in our country now, count on me guys�. Gloria has to go. ano pa ba ang gusto nyang marating. yang pagtitipon na yan simboyo nga damdamin ng taong-bayan. of course, sabihin ng mga nasa probinsya na sa Emperial Manila lang ang langitngit at panawagan pero tinanong ba nila ang mga bahay-bahay.. di siguro.

see, sinabi halos ng lahat ng mga elected na kay gloria sila, of course, they have too dahil pareho lang silang gahaman ug hakog sa pwesto.

i think the lamed duck in malaca�ang has to go�..

Leo said,
July 14, 2005 @ 1:02 am

Askal, ano bang konstitusyon yung sinasabi mo, nakakain ba yon� Matagal ng patay ang konstitusyon ng Pilipinas, sino ang pumatay� e sino pa e di yung mga nag-edsa 1 and edsa 2 � maliwanag ba? o baka nalalabuan ka pa? Sabi natin sumunod sa konstitusyon, e sinuway nyo a, baka isa ka pa sa sumama sa edsa 1 at edsa 2,,, ngayon sasabihin mo sumunod sa konstitusyon�. Pag nasunod yung gusto mo, okey sa yo,, pag hindi ayon sa gusto mo labag sa konstitusyon.. sus ginoo� ako e graduate lang sa puno ng bayabas pero nag-eesep ako�. Sulong mga kababayan ,,, putulin natin ang sungay ng pitong demonyo�. Ito ang simula ng walang hanggang wakas�..

masha said,
July 14, 2005 @ 2:04 am

�Police block anti-Arroyo rallyists from provinces�

baka daw ma infiltrate ng �bad elements�. bad elements like who? those who want arroyo to resign? do more of that and you�ll anger the people all the more.

username said,
July 14, 2005 @ 3:22 am

patayin ang mga spammer nang blogs from Malacanang!!!

chicaronCdrilon said,
July 14, 2005 @ 3:43 am

Kung totot man na nandaya si GMA eh baka naman pumantay lang sya dahil artista ang kalaban nya hehehe mali pero kung iisipin parang ok lang minsan mas marami ang hindi naiisip kung sino ang tamang iboboto natin. LAhat damay damay na. But as always, rule of law should prevail. let us not jump to conclusion that �yun dagdag� na talaga. Let us give her a day in court, a chance to explain herself in the impeachment court. Kaya lang, wala rin akong tiwala sa mga senador natin, kahit walang kasalanan o me kasalanan si GMA, they will surely vote not because of their �konsensya� (kung meron pa) but to protect there interest. hehehe let us ask US to make the philippines part of their country nalang� kaya lang baka di din sila pumayag noh mahulo kasi tayo. Tayo mismo ang sumisira sa kinabukasan natin�

Garcigwen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:17 am

The rally got coverage on CNN. There was a shot from a high
vantage point. Very impressive looking.

koyobayashi said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:41 am

people are asking PGMA to resign on grounds of cheating the 2004 elections� the administration is consolidating its efforts in changing our system of government� like duh, they�re addressing the wrong issue!

kimosabe27 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:07 am

As the opposition blitz for the end game finally sputtered to a crawl, let us expect the onset of a war of attrition. It will be a long and ardous struggle with countless losses but damn if it won�t make life in Imperial Manila more colorful and interesting.

jonathan said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:25 am

sige na nga impress na ako sa rally ninyo. gusto ko na tuloy sumali kasama ng mga kapitbahay ko dito sa calumpit. pero bago ko masuyo si ka berting na aking barbero, dapat lang na masagot itong mga katanungan niya:
kung itong pinaglalaban natin ay tungkol sa isyung MORALIDAD sa gobyerno, hindi kaya nararapat na tanungin din natin si imee at ang mga dating alipores ni makoy na (1) ibalik ang lahat ng perang ninakaw nila sa bayan na siyang nagpapahirap sa ating bansa ngayon (2) humingi ng tawad sa lahat ng victims of human rights violations (3) sabihin na kung sino ang nagpatumba kay Ninoy Aquino. Gayon din kay Jinggoy at sa mga alipores ni Erap, na sabihin na nagsisisi na sila sa kanilang pagnanakaw ng pera ng gobyerno at sa pagkasangkot sa jueteng. Kung hindi man, kahit na humingi man lang siya ng tawad kay Sen. Loi sa kanyang �lapse of judgment� sa kanyang pagpapagawa ng �Boracay sa Tagaytay� kay Laarni.
Hindi day niya kaya ang makipagkapitbisig sa mga taong namumuno sa mga rally ngayon hanggat hindi pa nabigyan ng hustisya ang kanyang ipinaglaban noon. Hanggat hindi daw nabigyan ng kasagutan ang kanyang mga katanungan, itong people power rally daw na ito ay HUWAD at PEKE. AT WALANG BENDISYON NG POONG MAYKAPAL.

sai said,
July 14, 2005 @ 7:33 am

hay buhay..wala ng katapusan ang problema ng bayan natin..im with you guys out there n nagrally,nagpakahirap at nagaksaya ng panahon nila..GMA should resign�

benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 7:42 am

O ano kayo ngayon?

Naka-ilang comment na dito pero Wala ako makitang any numbers being quoted here a? What�s the matter? Skirting the reality of the dismal numbers that came to this fiesta rally?

If the numbers were truly impressive, one would expect everyone quoting impressive NUMBERS left and right. But what�s the best anyone can come up with? �Ito pa lang ang simula ng wakas�. lol.

Pati ba naman sa mga people power revolutions naging mediocre na rin tayo?

Magtabaho na lang kayo. Panay hakot at stariray lang ang makakasama niyo diyan sa kalye.

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 8:05 am

You guys want some facts? I collected the following in 15 minutes. I wonder why a whole team of �investigative journalists� couldn�t even come up with a summary like this in the last 12 hours:

�Organizers said the crowd would swell over the day to 40,000 or 50,000 � a big step up from recent rallies of 8,000 but far from the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets of Manila to overthrow presidents in 1986 and 2001�. Beefing up a rally is not difficult in the Philippines, with people often offered a fast-food meal and a small payout to march and chant. But crowds have been known to lose their unity when the food or money runs short.�
(http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2005/07/13/chants_snacks_at_anti_arroyo_rally_in_manila/)

�On both occasions, the Catholic Church and the powerful military withdrew their support from the presidents�but that hasn�t happened this time� Left-wing groups and supporters of Estrada�who has volunteered to serve as a transitional leader if Mrs. Arroyo is ousted�transported protesters by bus and jeeps from the provinces, police said�The crowd was a mix of leftist factory workers, students and star-struck supporters of Fernando Poe as well as of Estrada.�
(http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/topofthehour.aspx?StoryId=10396)

�There were no signs yet that Arroyo�s traditional foes - leftist, student and farmers� groups combined with supporters of deposed president Joseph Estrada - were being joined by the middle class, whose presence was crucial in past uprisings� The threat to reforms prompted Moody�s Investors Service on Wednesday to join the two other major ratings agencies in cutting a stable outlook for the Philippines to negative.�
(http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F50756CE-56F3-4759-B6A4-AC801595BB12.htm)

And check this out (the HAKOT BUDGET � so much for sponteinuty):
�Anti-Arroyo forces said they have 25 million pesos (HK$3.51 million) for protests due to run until Sunday.�
(http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/World/GG14Wd02.html)

ha ha ha:
�But the massive crowd�s mood was more festive than angry. It looked like a huge street party with an interesting mix of characters� Street vendors were out in full force, peddling corn on the cob, boiled bananas, fish balls, deep-fried chicken gizzards on a stick and scoops of ice cream on hamburger buns�. Music and entertainment were another crucial component, keeping the crowds from drifting away. Pop stars crooned on a huge stage and the �Sex Bomb� dancers�a group of young women in tight white tops and blue capri pants�did the classic bump and grind.�
(http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2005/07/13/politics.foodfest.people.watching.in.anti.arroyo.rally.(7.40.p.m.).html)

Even more pathetic (akala ko ba there are hundreds of thousands of Pinoys in San Francisco? ):
�Filipino-Americans in San Francisco, California, on Tuesday (Wednesday in Manila) staged a protest rally against President Arroyo� Thirty activists belonging to the US chapter of the left-wing Bayan Muna protested outside the Philippine consulate at about the same time that a similar demonstration was being held in Makati Wednesday afternoon.�

Pati ba naman sa �tate, hakot pa rin!
(http://news.balita.ph/html/public_html/article.php?story=20050713093528832)

And some indication of what the aftermath of fieStas like these could be:

�Moody�s Investors Service decided Wednesday to join the two other major credit ratings agencies in cutting a �stable outlook'� for the Philippines to �negative.'� And the Asian Development Bank said its lending to the country over the next three years could range from nothing to US$1.5 billion (HK$11.7 billion) - depending on the pace of reforms.�
(http://www.thestandard.com.hk/stdn/std/World/GG14Wd02.html)

�Meanwhile, the Asian Development Bank said on Wednesday it may cut off lending to the Philippines unless it speeds up reforms designed to shore up its fiscal position.�
(http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F50756CE-56F3-4759-B6A4-AC801595BB12.htm)

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

worrier said,
July 14, 2005 @ 10:28 am

Kayong mga ayaw ng pagbabago.Manahimik na lang kayo..palibhasa siguro hindi kayo nag nahihirapan sa takbo ng buhay ngayon. ang galing niyong magsalita. Para kayong mga pulitiko na sala sa init sala sa lamig. Bakit masasabi niyo ba na hindi kayo sumama sa mga rallies noon? ngayon ayaw niyong sumali kasi feeling niyo ang papalit , yung hindi niyo ka-uri.. Kayong mga MATATAAS, kayong MGA MAYAYAMAN, KAYONG MGA MAY PINAG_ARALAN. ANG KAPAL NG MGA MUKHA NINYO. KAAYONG MGA WALANG GINAGAWA PARA SA BAYANG ITO, KAYONG HANGGANG SALITA LAMANG, HANGGANG �TIIS LAMANG� NAG LALONG NAGPAPAHIRAP SA BANSANG ITO. GUMISING KAYO !

chac said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:26 am

I dont blame if people would take their stand on the streets kasi naman kahit daanin natin sa constitutional process ang lahat alam ng marami na madadaya pa rin ang resulta ng paglilitis�bakit kamo? aba�y bakit nagbibilangan na kung sinu sino pa ang mga kakampi ni GMA sa kongreso at senado�.bakit me lulutuin na naman ba kayo para maniwala pa ang mga tao sa inyo? Nagkakagulo na nga kung anu ano pa ang pinapasok na bagong issue like yung charter change? Hey FVR and JDV, kala nyo pa matatapalan ang issue ni GMA sa mga tao kya kung anu ano na naman ang kabalbalan ng inuumpisahan nyo? Manahimik na lang kayo at di kayo nakakatulong sa bayan. Lalu ka na JDV, di ka pa matakot sa karma ha.

exg2eis said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:40 am

I think ang na reveal ng tapes ay kung gaano kadumi ang pulitika. I think ginagawa na ito nun pa man even before GMA�s time. Buti na lang at na reveal but everyone�s guilty of cheating. Magugulo tayong lahat. Kung sino yung wala sa power gusto sila ang nasa power so rally sa daan. Pag nanalo ang opposition me namang contra so rally uli. The Philippines is a sinking ship. Konting kalabog na lang lahat tayo babagsak. Sige rally ng rally, in a couple of years me pilipinas pa kaya? Sige magsaya kayo ngayon isipin niyo ang bukas kung saan tayo lahat pupulutin.

jonathan said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:58 am

worrier, naiintindihan ko ang pag-iinit mo. ngunit huwag kang masyadong magalit sa mga taong iba ang pinanindigan sa iyo. katulad mo, nais ko rin ang pagbabago, kung guilty si gloria, nais ko pagbabayaran niya ang kanyang kasalanan. ngunit magkaiba lang ang paraan na itinataguyod natin. sa maniwala ka�t hindi taglay pa rin namin ang ideyalismo. kayod kalabaw ang ginagawa ko para lang makapagbigay ng trabaho sa kapuwa ko pilipino. ngunit sa paraang iniisip niyo pawang ang mga mahihirap ang lalong nagsasakripisyo. lalo na kung sumasanib kayo sa mga grupong iba ang motibo. hindi na panahon ngayon ng gulo, bigyan natin ang ating konstitusyon ng pagkakataon. ituloy natin ang pagtratrabaho sapagkat mahaba pa ang lalakarin natin. alam kong ang ating batas ay hindi perpekto. ngunit hindi nangangahulugan iyon na hindi natin ito sundin. at huwag kang mabahala, kung nasa panig ka ng katotohanan hindi ka pababayaan ng Poong Maykapal. mahirap ka man o mayaman, edukado o walang pinag-aralan, lahat tayo kapitbisig sa ikauunlad ng ating bayan!

benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:59 am

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hakot? bakit yung mga rally ba na nilunsad noon nina GMA, hindi ba hakot din yun?
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E yun naman pala e. Kung ang tingin niyo dito sa mga rally na ito e panay hakot lang pala, e bakit ang hilig niyo pa rin sumoporta sa mga rally na ito.

It�s all phoney. Phoney hobbies for a phoney nation.

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benign0, enuff with the sarcasm, get off ur high horse and just say that ur pro gma and be done with it, ill respect u more for that. ksi i dont know where ur going with ur comments
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Is that all you can say now? I raised the reality of these �rallies� for all to see and the best thing you can come up with is to ask YET AGAIN if I am for or against GMA? Are those the only kinds of questions Pinoys can ask? Kanino ka ba? Kanino ka sasama? Pro ka ba or against?

This behaviour is one of the root issues of our society � to most typical Pinoys, it�s about loyalty to a PERSONALITY rather than to a PRINCIPLE.

I am here not because of any loyalty to any particular moron. Pare-pareho lang sa akin ang mga asungot na yan. What I�ve been doing is articulating PRINCIPLES. And yet typical Pinoys always can�t seem to elevate the discussion above personal loyalties.

Truly pathetic.

It�s no longer a surprise why our country is the basket case among basket cases.

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

yanilasam said,
July 14, 2005 @ 11:59 am

nakasama ako sa rally kahapon at kapansinpasin na nangingibabaw sa damdamin ng mga taong naroon and sobrang paghihirap ng sambayanang pilipino. kabataan man na tulad ko, manggagawa, o ordinaryong mamamayan, pareparehong isinisigaw na ayaw na nila sa sinungaling at magnanakaw na administrasyong arroyo.

tama na, ayaw na, sobra ng pahirap, bumaba ka na gloria!

�To ask that an intelligent being remain aloof from the pertinent issues
of his society is to defeat the purpose of scholarships�� UP Sinag, 1981

tabz said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:34 pm

what exactly benign0? if ur neither pro or against what are u for? being in �neutral third person point of view�, what do u hope to accomplish here? ur talk of principle is nice.. but weighing the reality is different..what exact principles are you fighting for? is it the four way test? rule of law?

sorry bro, wla ksi akong makitang prinsipyo sa comments mo.. like calling ppl in the rally �jologs� or �hakot� discriminatley categorizing ppl. if ur about principle wag mo naman ibadmouth ang mga tau na nagrarally, true may halo na iba an element dun pero un mga tau pumupunta dahil may hinanaing. were not all well off ppl u know. everyone isnt the same as u so sorry for being a �typical pinoy�. what loyalities are u talking about theres a rally because of the issue of �cheating� pathetic talaga tyo at naging presidente natin c glo na nandaya. iba iba ang pananaw ng mga tau sa isyu respeto naman, dont dismiss us as pathetic beings.

benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 12:47 pm

So now it seems that the issue is to show some kind of �understanding� for the people who took to the streets. Now we try to paint them as �victims� whereas a couple of days ago they were supposed to be our warriors of truth and justics.

Talaga naman oo. Kaya tayo di nagkakaisa e.

See now how what a couple of days ago was a machistic battle cry to take to the streets is now a whimper of appeal to �understand� or even �respect� these pathetic people who chose to dance to the tune of the SexBomb dancers in Ayala.

True it is largely ignorance and lack of education plus an appreciation of a free meal that brought these people together. But who�s fault is that? Typical Filipinos (yes TYPICAL) will cite the usual suspects: Corrupt Government and our colonial past.

So what else is new.

Why should I be apologetic for my highhandedness? I don�t see any of these jologs apologising for their ignorance.

Last I heard, ignorance does not exempt one from compliance to the Law.

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

worrier said,
July 14, 2005 @ 1:36 pm

i agree with you tabz. grabe..jologs? phoney nation? san ka ba ngayon, benigno? aba kung nandito ka pa sa PINAS, umalis ka..phoney nation pala, jologs pala e� sensya na , bro ha� di ka namin ma-reach e

necromancer said,
July 14, 2005 @ 1:42 pm

ASKAL,

�kaya� sundin ang saligang batas� kung may pagkakasala man dapat dalhin sa tamang lugar� huwag diyan sa daan para kayong mga Askal�!!!

pagod na ako!!! pero pilit kung tinatanggap ang lahat dahil ako ay isang pinoy� Astig ito!!! �

Bro, That was only a scheduled rally.. If you do not want to come, fine.. Ang mga taong nandun sa rally ay may paninindigan at may hangaring mapabuti ang bansa natin khit sa maliit na paraang kaya nila. Bakit hndi kaya si Gloria ang pagbuntunan mo ng galit dahil sya naman ang may kagagwan nito. Gs2 mo pa bang maging presidente ang nangdaya sa eleksyon? Ewan ko lang.. As far as Im concern, people who do not have a stand on this big issue do not deserve a greater leader of this nation.

necromancer said,
July 14, 2005 @ 1:49 pm

benigno, hirap kasi sa iba kababayan natin masyado mataas ang tingin sa sarili.. you had your opinion and �Jologs� ay isang salitang kalye. : )

benign0 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 2:09 pm

Tsk tsk. Looks like people here have now stooped to a discussion on personalities.

So what kung �hindi ako ma-reach� according to one of these TYPICAL Pinoy hirits?

Hindi talaga. Kahit gumulong gulong kayo sa kalye.

Kaya nga kayo PERENIALLY nasa kalye at mga taong katulad ko ay naka taas ang paa sa loob ng airconditioned na opisina e.

That�s the reality, dudes. DEAL WITH IT.

Seems like the reason we are now discussing these petty details is because the tide has now turned at the ISSUES level of the discussion, now that we have seen who are really behind these calls to take to the streets. Even sadder is the inconsistency of these left-wing �cause oriented groups�. Anti Erap sila dati, ngayon kasama nila ang mga pro-Erap sa kalsada. Talaga naman oo.

If you find some problem with being classified as jologs and hakots then DEMONSTRATE that you are above discussing LIKE jologs and hakots. Face the reality of the situation. Discuss the ISSUES.

And the issue is squarely flat on the table here:

Yesterday�s rally was a disgrace to the cause of resignism. Deal with that.

http://www.getrealphilippines.com

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 3:30 pm

tsk tsk tsk� I wonder if you are for the Philippines. I wonder what will happen to the Philippines if everybody�s mind is just like yours benign0???

penpenpen88 said,
July 14, 2005 @ 3:59 pm

Hehehe in benigno�s world well all be classified as either ignorant, hakots, leftist or destabilizers eyes wide open. =) Ganun din naman classification nila ke rizal at bonifacio eh so fear not your in good company.Much better than being a liar a cheat and a robber di po ba??

tabz said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:09 pm

i still dont find any weight in ur words benign0, ur reality is different from a lot of ppl who face thse issues head on. seems ksi na some of us just sits around and look at facts thats written on or whats shown in the news and then just ses what they feel about it.

we need more ppl with geniune concern for the moral well being of this country, i cant stand to have a president who cheated the elections, what would that say about us as a nation to the world.. this is a different scandal than that of the US� Bill Clinton in terms of cheating.

dang said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:12 pm

To all,

Honestly, I fully respect everyone�s position at hand.
Ke maki-gloria or pro-resign! And, am happy to be educated day by day.
Alam naman natin di natatapos sa pagpapatalsik kay gloria ang solusyon ng mga problema.
Not until, all of us become �credible� to throw the first stone to a sinner!
This is probably a long shot, but together let�s give our best shot! Now!

Like it or not, history keeps on repeating itself. There are no coincidences!

Maybe friend is right when he said � There is an UNSEEN HAND that has set up all this events,
such that everything seems to fit well and is systematic. Go beyond the smokescreen�.

But, who would tell who could that be?

Whether all of us would be able to see it clearly or not, the agenda of the unseen hand (good or bad) will be exposed in proper time not by the eyes but by the hearts. Our open hearts courageously enough to accept the wind of change, without reservation, decide the final blow of change.

In every passage of times, we are all players (groups or individual)
with different lines, colors and shapes trying to outplay each
other for a better position viewing the future. And once again, we are now in the center stage of an unfolding history of our time. Principled or not, known or unknown, there is a need to be sensitive what makes all people (not only the masses) move into one direction. Its not the one who can shout louder nor the one who can manipulate and control the rules. There is also a need to revisit the views of those who died in their times trying to make a radical or conservative image of change. The applicability and rightfulness of their �lines� then, no matter how simple or complicated, maybe, the best for now.

What should be exposed and prevented are those who liked to cling and maintain the status quo. For nothing substantial will happen if we will not evolve (physically, emotionally and spiritually) over time.

Old and young in us should be credible to effect a change for others
(no matter how basic or drastic) to have a clear view of the best to come. The path of cleansing process is not easy�but it is clearly emerging. We need to actively process and explore every ideas of times, objectively and positively. Hope we should never again allow ourselves to engage lengthily in negative discussions for it will just distract us from discerning better perspective. Sometimes, it force us to stop and missed a point.

As always, we need to accept that the chance of disagreement is very high in the process. We only need to respect each other. The big
challenge is when each and everyone of us keep on accusing each other of conspiring with evil. More than ever, we need to be sensitive to the flow of time to be able to engage correctly. We need not worry about the crooks and the wicked. Whether they like it or not, they will be exposed to death by each other. As dirty money will look for hidden wealth, their guns will look for guns. Sad to say too, good men and women will also die in the cleansing process, but their deaths will only amplify their voices. For one, remember our friend, Imo! He created something in me to have a simple lifestyle!

In 1986, most of us were all student, some were activists. In 2001, most of us have changed, some remained consistent (I salute them), and depending on one�s perspective, whether all are in agreement or not, we evolved to be better individual. Each having a different role to share in this new wave of change. For sure, some of you are better thinker than myself because of your experiences,
but more so, we need each other and other people of different lines, shapes and colors to give us a better
perspective of what future lies ahead of us.

Please correct me, but I simply believe that all the spectrum of our
political lines, shapes and colors (L, C, R, L-C, R-C) whatever we may call it, has something to share for our better future. For no one has the monopoly of righteousness, but yes, credibility makes it stronger. The call for constitutional turnover, truth commission, cha-cha, constitutional assembly, parliamentary, TRG, caretaker govt., etc. are all in the offering. I believe any of these options will only be meaningful, if and only if Gloria surrender her power. This is step one.The next step will only be envisioned to have a clear line, color and shape after the conclusion of the first step.
Logically speaking Gloria will not resign for fear she will end up sleeping with Erap in jail. Even the most trusted politicians, Jovy and Joker think its a political suicide to do so. But, again, who will conduct for the unseen hand to move? Is it FVR? JDV? CIA?, Military? Let us all remember they were all things of the past, our not-so-beautiful past. Nonetheless, together with them, the trapo and the masa, all of us once again, will be used as instrument, for another chance of change!
Whatever position of political lines, color and shapes, pro, anti and prayer rallies, all are collective segment and necessary ingredients of a meaningful change that is happening before us. Like it or not, political rallies will be called prayer rallies, only in the Philippines!

The unseen hand will force Gloria to resign eventually! And who could that be? Only GMA knows it. For she also as an instrument, her conscience will not sleep continuously not to understand reality.

Even if Gloria clings to power longer, the better for majority to be educated as more truths will uncover more lies in the government. As we have seen and other will start to see, Gloria is not only the problem.
More and more people in power and the corrupt system they are protecting will be exposed. Believe it or not, we will also start meaningful changes in ourselves. Again this maybe a long shot, but together let us all aim a bulleye in our heart.

More than ever, now is the proper time to correct the error of the past.
If this part of history will make us all witness to have 2 presidents in jail, so be it! And, let us work closely together to put into jail all corrupt government officials and businessmen! Others beware, for it will surely give the best education to our future leaders and children!

Again it is true that history keeps on repeating itself for us to correct what we did wrong and to change what is still needed to change.

Our challenge, I would say is how to continuously evolve as a better warrior of our times. Truly, the �unseen hand� is working for a better Philippines!

But again, who would tell us who could that exactly be? My answer will surely creates more questions! Like, Is impeachment being proposed by some well meaning individual could be an �unseen hand� doing?

Prayer is part of my answers!

GOD BLESS US ALL,

ELM

necromancer said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:19 pm

Kaya nga kayo PERENIALLY nasa kalye at mga taong katulad ko ay naka taas ang paa sa loob ng airconditioned na opisina e����tsk���tsk�. Wala ka pala kwentang kausap BENIGNO!!!!, nakataas pala ang paa mo at aircon ka pa� siguro kung walang aircon dyan mainit no�.. NAKAHIGA KA BA?

rdabadiano said,
July 14, 2005 @ 4:26 pm

tigas face GMA, wala na tyong pag-asa khit cno umupo pare parehas lang silang lahat mababaho, malalangsa, mandaraya, magnanakaw at higit sa lahat mga walang dios, kc PERA ang dios nila.

psencia na folks, kung ako�y naging pessimistic. But that is the real truth, my pag-asa paba tyo?

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:26 pm

Benigno is asking for MATH. here. do your math:

ASKDOC said: Did some quick calculation using your formula and a streetmap.

The stretch of Ayala from makati med(salcedo street) to makati ave(manila pen) is around 1000 meters more or less. The width of ayala ave (inc. sidewalks) is around 40 meters. (my house is 40 x 80 m so I know how wide 40 meters is) That means the area is 40,000 sq. m.

The stretch of Paseo from Ayala to Makati Ave is about 500 meters x around 30 m width would give 15,000 sq m. or 55,000 sq meters total. Your formula means the crowd should be between 55,000 to 110,000.

AT around 6pm. RG Cruz of ANC reported that the crowd had swelled and had reached one block beyond the Manila Peninsula while on Paseo it had reached Buendia. That added 12,000 sq m in Paseo and about 6000 sq m from Ayala for a grand total of 73,000 sq m. So if my map is correct, the estimates at peak should be between 73,000 people to 146,000 people.

The police has the right formula, its the numbers they plug in that is �defective�.
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AS USUAL, the police applied DAG-DAG BAWAS.

watda!

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:27 pm

check out some photos of the AYALA rally at BBC.

dang said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:33 pm

speak up ninoy este �benigno��..

claymore said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:39 pm

benigno�

nakataas ang paa sa mesa, naka erkon po�tsk, tsk, stsk,�.siguro nangunguyakoy kapa?�..napakasarap ng buhay�.
Pinag aaksayahan ko ng panahon ang iyong mga akda, pinipilit kung intindihin sa kadahilanang mahina ako sa ingles�..
Iyon pala�y aksaya lang ng panahon�..
Hindi mo maiintindihan ang mga tulad naming mahihirap�.sa kadahilanang di mo man lang nasubukan ang mabuhay ng tulad namin�di mo nasubukan kumalam ang tiyan�.ang di makapag-aral�..ang mabuhay sa lugar na mas nababagay lang sa mga hayop�
Ang ibig mo�y tumahimik lang kami, upang �wag mabulabog ang iyong mga �sariling interes���tsk,tsk,tsk�..
Mas mahihirapan kang paniwalain ang mga naririto sa iyong paninindigan (kung meron man)�.. sa kadahilanang ang kanilang kinamumuhian ay ang larawan na iyong ipinakikita�..katulad ka rin nila�.

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:46 pm

breaking news: lumabas na naman si CHAVIT. at ang sabi nya galing daw sa mother of all tapes� erap caught on tape discussing with a certain NAZARENO to topple �PANDAK� and to install a revolutionary government.

SABI pa ni CHAVIT, balak daw ng opposition na patayin si GMA.

GANOON??? Paano nangyaring galing sa mother of all tapes to eh bakit hindi kasama si GARCIllano sa usapan. as per transcript di ba laging BIDA si GARCIllano???

ba�t wala to sa transcript ng PCIJ???

nagpapapel lang ba si CHAVIT dahil napag-alamang hindi totoong he was stopped in a certain street to be ambushed by erap�s men when erap was president and turned out that he was stopped by the patrol because he beat the red light???

gannoon??

Leo said,
July 14, 2005 @ 7:05 pm

Talagang tayong mga Pilipino ay mahirap ng magkaintindihan pagdating diyan sa pagsasagawa ng rally, sa kadahilanang tayo ay kanya kanyang paninindigan pagdating sa lahat ng bagay.. Nung edsa 1, anong sabi natin, laban sa saligang batas, pero ng magtagumpay sila, labag pa ba sa saligang batas?� naulit kay erap,,, labag din sa saligang batas, pero nagtagumpay sila� Eto na ngayon, labag din sa saligang batas, hindi na raw kailangan ang isa pang edsa, daanin na lang daw sa dasal,, Noong una, dahil walang interes na masasaling , nagsama-sama sina Sin, Cory, FVR, � ngayon may masasaling, kaya umatras si Cory, natira na lang si FVR at CBCP.Noong una malaking factor ang panawagan ni Sin, natural mga panatikong Katoliko ay naglabasan sa kalye para saklolohan ang kanilang kaparian.. Ngayon ang mga taong nasa labas bagamat katoliko ay hindi naman panatiko, kaya konti lang ang bilang nila. Bagama�t labag sa salligang batas ang paraang ito ng pagpapaalis kay GMA, wala namang silang ibang pupuntahan, ika nga e, inumpisahan nyo na daanin sa kalye ang pagpapalayas sa namumuno sa gobyerno, e di tapusin natin sa kalye� at natural karamihan sa mga sumama sa rally ay mga isinakay ng mga taong pasimuno ng rally.. una, wala na nga akong pang-almusal mamasahe pa ako papunta sa rally, no ka sinusuwerte, ako nga gusto kong sumama sa rally, paano ko magagawa 3 araw na akong di kumakain, naiintindihan mo ba benigno? Paulit ulit ng mangyayari ang mga bagay na ito, wala ng katapusan yan� Pag ayaw mo sa nakaupo, maghakot ka ng tao, mag-rally ka� Yan ang itinuro ni Cardinal Sin ang inyong bayani, sa mga walang makaing Pilipino na nagugutom dahil sa mga tiwaling namumuno sa ting gobyerno� Sige , rally tayo,,, tinamaan ng asuwang na buhay ito� sus ginoo� Inumin natin ang dugo ng mga halimaw��
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:10 pm
Student Teaching: The Climax of Pres-Service

(Rosemarie Romano TTMIST)
All students taking up Education course are exposed to various ideas, forces and activities operating within the school, and is experienced from start up to student teaching period, the last phase of education course.

Student teaching is the culmination of professional education. This experience which is provided to students is the last year of pre-service education which serves as the transitional phase between the past role of a full-time student and the future role of the full time teacher. As student teacher, one will be playing a dual role that of the teacher and of a student. They will serve as an apprentice teacher who will first observe cooperating teachers, parti0ciopate a little in the routine teaching tasks and eventually begin to- teach on their own.



In view of the complexity of experiences in the total pattern of student teaching, it may not be possible to encounter everything in adjusting oneself to act like a teacher, dressed like a teacher, and guide and teach the pupils as what real teachers do.

Student teaching is generally composed of two areas of experiences observation and participation and actual teaching on campus and off-campus. These areas of experiences are designed to equip one for effective teaching.

The first day in classroom serves as an orientation period by way of observation. It is not easy to observe. You will simultaneously be observing children, individually and the deyai0ls of classroom procedures, mechanics of organization, discipline and etc. All of these details are so overwhelming that they will defeat you unless you plan them out very car fully. Ideally you should observe only one aspect of the classroom situation at a time.

Observation is the minor activity in this portion of student teaching program, since the bulk of the requirement would fall under actual teaching. Observation of classes and gradual participation in activities with cooperating school will serve as the experience of student teaching. Through directed observation, one is expected to profit vicariously from the experiences of teachers, experience which may take you years of trial and error to acquire first hand experiences. The period of directed observation is devised to initiate one gradually into teaching.

One has now reached the climax of preparation as a full-pledge teacher of youth and children. This phase of academic life will serve as an acid test through which they will discover how much one has really learned and assimilated from professional subjects including observation and participation. The apprentice teacher are afforded with opportu9nities to try out the theories and principles of teaching and learning and will be able to find out through first-hand experiences.

At this point, one must be feeling a bit nervous and apprehensive at the prospect o0f actually facing a class. This reaction is to be expected of most beginners. Do not be alarmed. The cooperating teacher will only be willing to help out. She will see to it that the apprentice teacher assumes responsibilities in the classroom gradually and that he is really ready before he takes over the class.

To profit most from student teaching, one should seek out as many experiences as possible, involving more on those areas where one feels his weakest points and most likely to encounter difficulty as a full time teacher later.  

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:13 pm
PRESIDENT Arroyo in the last week named new department secretaries to replace those who resigned on July 8.

1. Margarito �Gary� Teves - Department of Finance - Land Bank of the Philippines president and CEO, and former Rep., 3rd district Negros Oriental, 1992-1998;

2. Romulo Neri - Department of Budget and Management - Director-General of National Economic and Development Authority;

3. Augusto B. Santos - NEDA - Deputy director-general for regional development office;

4. Peter Favila - Department of Trade and Industry - Banker and Philippine Stock Exchange president; and,

5. Datu Zamzamin Ampatuan - National Anti-Poverty Commission - Executive Director of the Office on Muslim Affairs

Speaking yesterday before diplomats and Filipinos living in the United States, the President said of her new Cabinet officials, "It�s a good team. It�s the kind of team that I can leave the day-to-day affairs of the government with while I work on the more fundamental reforms." These were "reforms," including amending the Constitution, that she spoke of on July 7 when she announced over government radio that she was not resigning.

In the same event yesterday in Malaca�ang the President also dared those who want her to step down, "Show me the plan." Just a day earlier Ayala Avenue and Paseo de Roxas in Makati were filled with protesters demanding for Arroyo to quit her office amid allegations of wholesale fraud in the 2004 elections.

OICs have also been named to these other offices until their new heads are appointed.

1. Ramon Bacani - Department of Education - DepEd undersecretary;

2. Jose Mario Bu�ag - Bureau of Internal Revenue - Deputy BIR Commissioner;

3. Datu Nasser Pangandaman, Al haj - Land Reform - Undersecretary for Mindanao Operations and Indigenous People;

4. Lualhati Pablo - Social Welfare and Development - Undersecretary;

5. Alexander M. Arevalo - Bureau of Customs - Deputy BoC Commissioner; and,

6. Rene Sarmiento - Office of Presidential Adviser for the Peace Process (OPAPP) - member of government negotiating panel with the National Democratic Front

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ricelander said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:49 pm

PCIJ reports: �the President also dared those who want her to step down, �Show me the plan.� Calling on the Opposition, show her your �plan� she might just consider stepping down if she finds it to her liking. She could go �hmm, this is good; Ok I will resign asap�.

lawspeak_007 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:10 pm

�Show me the plan� gloria was quoted as saying yesterday.

I thought what I have heard yesterday was � Show me the way out�.

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:18 pm

Does the opposition have a plan? Yes of course take her down. Then turn on each other afterwards.

You think she will be asking that if she knew there was a plan? It was a rhetorical question. If the opposition had a plan then she would be blasting away at their plan not asking if they had any.

The fact is, they can only agree to take her down. Afterwards each his own. You think the Leftists are going to allow the elite to stay? Hah! There will be a grand purge I tell you. First to go down will be Susan Roces. Then all the rich people with cars and western oriented menatlity. That means the Ayalas, the Legardas, etc. Maybe most if not all of the liberal democracy minded journalists of PCIJ.

You think Lacson will allow susan to lead? No way. He is PMA! He thinks he is a higher being! According to him �Ang superstar at supercop hindi pwede pagsamahin� or something to that effect. Im sure he was happy when FPJ died.

How about Erap? Hah! he wants his own council and abolish the supreme court and congress. Then send Gloria, Erap, Villar and Singson to jail or maybe let them have an �act of God� accident. Then he will remind you all of his �utang na loob� to Lucio Tan and his barkadas.

You think this is a good future? Now is that a good plan? We need a new opposition, free of the old politicians and extremists. But I doubt if that will happen. I put more hope in the martial law babies when they come of age. This current generation of leaders all suck!

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:29 pm

I relish the thought of the Opposition crumbling into fiefdoms with their own kings and queens. If this is what you call crab mentality then im a proud crab!

If the new administration takes power i can expect a grim political climate. ban on strikes and demonstrations. Charges against a lot of people like Gloria, Ramos, Reyes, etc. enforcement of responsible news writing. All the measures to make sure edsa dos will never happen again.

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:40 pm

All you oppositionist supporters will applaud and say there is a brighter future because your President can now be free from the threat of the bad guys taking him down. And make better lives for everybody.

Of course I can expect people to think that he will not cheat and steal because their President is a good hearted consciencious person. He will be so good that all criticism is not true.

P.N. Abinales said,
July 15, 2005 @ 5:38 pm

�It�s a good team. It�s the kind of team that I can leave the day-to-day affairs of the government with while I work on the more fundamental reforms.� GMA

�The [technocratic] movement gained tremendous momentum after Marcos declared Martial Law and abolished Congress. The technocrats had free rein and Marcos is quoted as saying that he would just lie back and let them run the government.� (Sixto Roxas, in Juetengate: The Parable of a Nation in Crisis, 2000, pp. 86-87.

Marcos messed up the Philippines 15 years later, GMA, well, in the span of four years!

Sheila Coronel said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:35 pm

Jojo, while it is true that most of the new Cabinet members can be described as �technocrats,� we should also not forget that some of them have connections with politicians and cannot be construed to be merely apolitical experts recruited for their skills rather than their connections. Romulo Neri, for example, was for a long time head of the Congressional Planning and Budget Officce during the extended speakership of Jose de Venecia. He is very much a JDV guy.

Peter Favila was head of the Philippine National Bank during the Ramos era, when it was still in government hands, and was responsible for, among other things giving a hefty $14-million �behest� loan to businessman-rocker Ramon �RJ� Jacinto so the latter could buy PNB-owned property on Buendia Ave. in the mid-1990s. The PCIJ wrote about this deal in 1998 (what happened was PNB lent money to RJ so he could buy the property at a recordbreaking price of P3.7 billion. Then RJ offset his loans to another of his company with payments made on the property. In other words, a clever manipulation of the books that got RJ off the hook.) Both Favila and RJ can be described as Ramos boys. Favila is also a nephew of Ramos-era Central Bank Gov. Gabriel Singson, also known to be close to FVR.

Ampatuan comes from a politically-influential(and very controversial) clan in Maguindanao, with strong links to the JDV faction of Lakas. Remember that one of the Ampatuans, Andal, is Maguindanao governor. As another Maguindanaoan politico revealed (the story is in the special edition of i magazine), President Arroyo defeated FPJ in 2004 with the statistically improbabale margin of 99.83 percent to 0.17 percent in seven Maguindanao towns where the mayors are all members of the Ampatuan clan.

It seems that the Ramos and JDV boys are coming to the President�s rescue, and if they are really running the day-to-day affairs of government, it�s something to be concerned about. Now that Neri is in charge of the public purse, it�s �happy days are here again�(I sometimes think of Philippine politics as a musical) for the JDV boys in Congress, particularly if a politically charged impeachment trial takes place and Malacanang wants to buy favors with the help of budget releases from the DBM.

jonathan said,
July 16, 2005 @ 12:42 am

Shiela, i agree real reforms will now take a back seat unless these guys will truly perform. the presidency is in a survival mode and she needs all the political capital that she can harness to consolidate her base. Just as the opposition has to share their bed with the reds, the cuckoos, and all sort of characters just so they can take her down. For her to do so otherwise is tantamount to political suicide. Unless you�ve noticed, this is war that�s being waged and you can�t hire potential judases to be in your side.

masha said,
July 16, 2005 @ 12:49 am

this is gma�s personal war and she�s bringing down the country with her. she�s still concerned in saving face. she doesnt even have a messianic complex. it�s all about her and her pride.

P.N. Abinales said,
July 16, 2005 @ 9:00 am

Sheila, thanks for the clarification (GMA doth lie like Marcos in proclaiming these folks� technocratic professionalism!). Will PCIJ come up with a full political bio of these people soon?

tobebs said,
July 16, 2005 @ 12:34 pm

Dapat mag-isip isip muna si Gloria sa paghahamon sa oposisyon na ipakita what is their plan, baka tumulad sya kay Defensor na nong pinatulan ng oposisyon ang kanyang hamon ay bumahag ang buntot at biglang nanahimik.

LadyL said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:12 pm

I hope that Mr. Zamzamin Ampatuan can truly change and make a difference in the lives of his fellow muslims. For a start, he can alleviate the lives of their constituents in Maguindanao who happen to be living in extreme poverty. Maguindanao as everybody knows is being ruled/ governed by the controversial Ampatuan clan which happens to be in one of the poorest regions of the country.

sensual said,
July 16, 2005 @ 5:02 pm

@ Gangster_Roger

You have sound and good arguments and I do not think that you blindly support PGMA, regardless of what her plan would be for the country, BUT�.yes there is always a BUT�� BUT what about the issue of her supposed phonecalls to Garci and the DagDag thing? Is this not the main issue and the ONLY issue what we should discuss about her right now? I know she is US-educated etc., etc., etc., and she is so very good for all of us, even though I almost collapse every month anew if I see the utility costs like power, gas and lpg go up and up and up ��just NORTH since we have HER in Malaca�ang.
To reiterate now, GANGSTER_ROGER, are we, the people of the Republic �allowed� to ask whether or not she did wrong and are we �please� allowed to ask for impeachment if there are grounds to do so?
Everybody is so damn proud to speak about Democracy and the basic bill of rights everybody enjoys but WE the people, who put our politicians into power on election-day, we the people are not allowed to question their actions? Do they become God-like once in office? My stomach turns and churns if I see people like Sec. Gonzales and Sec. Defensor how blindly they defend the indefensible.
Why do we have to bear with people like Raul Gonzales at all? Its PGMA who burdens us with a Justice Sec., who lost all link to reality since he sits in that office of his. He would not shy away of jailing EVERYONE who says anything bad about PGMA or criticize her style of governance. Its simply SCARY to watch what our current government is doing.
I personally HATE grandstanding and PGMA is grandstanding on a daily basis. Opposition for me doesn�t necessarily mean, that I am from the other side of the aisle, no, opposition means, that I simply oppose what any or all of the politicians are doing and how they are performing.
The POWER in a Democracy stems from the PEOPLE, not from a single person. And we, the People (or at least a great percentage of the people) find PGMA at this time unfit for her office, and we shall be damned if we can�t make our voices heard!!!!
Period.

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 17, 2005 @ 3:34 pm

that is correct sensual. DEMOCRACY means: of the people, by the people, for the people.

kung forgive and forget na lang dahil si GMA naman presidente eh at sabi ng mga pro-GMA walang puwedeng ipalit eh, kaya tama lang na icheat ang election.

watda. ano pa ang saysay ng democrasya?

fandong said,
July 17, 2005 @ 4:29 pm

sana pinalitan na rin sina bunye, gonzales, tiglao at defensor. hinde na nila ginagawa ang kaniulang mga trabaho, puros press conference na lang. nag aaway away ba sila lahat maging presidential spokesman o press secretary?

bayonic said,
July 17, 2005 @ 9:57 pm

akala ko ba sinabi ni GMA noong July 7 speech niya na she will ask her entire cabinet to tender their resignations ?
eh bakit wala pa ring nangyayare ? pinalitan lang ang mga nag resign ng kusa ?
talagang pre-emptive strike lang yun para hindi mapahiya .

koyobayashi said,
July 17, 2005 @ 10:47 pm

bayonic, my sentiments exactly (naunahan mo lang ako).

Bullet said,
July 19, 2005 @ 10:53 am

I have high regards to Mr. Teves. I just hope he will not be manipulated by GMA in doing illegal contracts w/c is for the sake of self-interest, and not for the love of country. On the other four new secretaries, I merely say they are really FVR/JDV boys. Filipinos could not count on them.

As the latest news, I applauded Cecil Guidote and Vicky Gatchitorena resignation. The reasons are valid - you can�t perform efficiently while the fake president is busy restoring/saving her political image. Public funds should be used in good projects, and not for PR image build-up of La Gloria. Kawawa naman tayong mga taxpayers!!!

masha said,
July 19, 2005 @ 11:01 am

defensor papalitan? fair-haired boy defensor? di ata posible yun. he not only serves as a cabinet secretary he also is a comedian of sorts. he makes the president laugh daw.
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:18 pm
CREBA Calls for Election Re-count

The Chamber of Real Estate and Builders Associations (CREBA) today appealed to administration and opposition leaders to immediately put an end to the political crisis gripping the country by agreeing on a re-count of election returns, through a tabulation of the statement of votes by municipalities and precincts in disputed areas. In a statement, CREBA said: This political turmoil spawned by questions as to the legitimacy of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyos election has once again brought our just-recovering economy down to its knees. Clearly, statesmanship of the highest order cannot be anymore compelling than now. For, the sooner the issue is resolved, the better it will be for our long-suffering people. Administration and Opposition leaders must immediately agree on the process by which to settle this issue once and for all. Voluntary resignation by the President appears out of the question, as the President insists she will not resign.

Impeachment also appears unlikely, as the House of Representatives whence the impeachment process should commence is controlled by the Administration. And even if it does get instituted, the process of determining whether there is indeed a ground for impeachment is a long-drawn out process So also if the matter were raised before the Supreme Court, or before a Truth Commission which would still have to be created by law. All these alternatives, time-consuming as they are, would only prolong the state of chaos ~ a state which our nation simply cannot withstand. And all these would still require getting at the truth as to whether or not there was cheating in the last elections. To our mind, an expedient shortcut to getting at the truth and crux of the issue exists. This is no other than an immediate re-count of the election returns, through a tabulation of the statement of votes by municipalities and by precincts in areas disputed by the opposition during the last canvassing, including those areas alluded to in the allegedly conspiratorial conversations between the President and a Comelec official. All it would take, with the conformity of both sides, is for the National Board of Canvassers (the Senate and House of Representatives) to reconvene and reopen the election returns in said areas. We see no reason why this process should be unacceptable to anyone. It will be inexpensive as it will be brief ~ it could resolve the issue no more than 10 days. It will be transparent and impartial when both sides, including the public, bear witness to the proceedings. And it will be effective in getting at crux of the issue ~ whether there was cheating or not ~ as long as both sides agree to respect and abide by the results. It goes without saying that the certificates of election canvass for President and Vice-President, supported by the statement of votes by municipalities and by precincts, must be opened in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives in a joint public session, and not by a mere committee. This should ensure a fair, speedy and impartial resolution of the dispute. The re-count of the election returns should cover both the President and the Vice-President. A covenant to respect and abide by the results should be signed by both President Arroyo and Vice-President de Castro on one hand, and the heads of the opposition group on the other. Such covenant could be witnessed by business organizations, NGOs and peoples organizations, and foreign observers, if need be.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:32 pm
Bill Requiring All Taxpayers to File Annual Financial Statements Slammed

In a recent Congressional hearing, the Chamber of Real Estate and Builders' Associations (CREBA) assailed as unconstitutional a requirement proposed under House Bill No. 2895 for all taxpayers ~ whether natural or juridical ~ to annually file with the BIR a statement of assets, liabilities and net worth.

CREBA said that the requirement, purportedly aimed at preventing tax evasion or fraud, would violate a person's Constitutional right to privacy, presumption of innocence and guarantee against self-incrimination.

Imposition of the requirement presumes that the taxpayer has already committed tax fraud. His declarations in these financial statements could be used against him by the BIR to support charges which may turn out to be false, or as a means for unscrupulous BIR personnel to harass taxpayers and make all sorts of nefarious demands, CREBA said.

Equally dangerous, CREBA said, is the very real possibility that innocent citizens may end up as kidnapping victims should their financial statements fall into the hands of criminal elements.

For the protection of citizens, CREBA said, the Constitution allows the veil of privacy to be pierced only when the State, subject to the due process guarantee, shows "probable cause" to charge a person for an illegal act.  
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:28 pm
THINGS are getting curiouser and curiouser.

First it was the battle of the press statements. Then it was the war of news conferences. Then they launched the battle of the rallies. Today, it was the war of the wiretapped conversations, the latest engagement in the battle of pirated CDs.

Ilocos Sur Gov. Luis “Chavit” Singson, a diehard supporter of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, yesterday released to the media what he said was a wiretapped conversation in which former President Joseph Estrada appears to have approved a plan to assassinate Mrs. Arroyo and do away with former President Fidel Ramos.

Singson said two persons he did not know had given him copies of the CDs containing a wiretapped phone call supposedly made by Estrada in May 2004 to former armed forces chief Joselin Nazareno. He told reporters that this was part of the unreleased segments of the “mother of all tapes” in the possession of former National Bureau of Investigation deputy director Samuel Ong, the same tape from which the “Hello, Garci” conversations came.

Reporters lapped up the handful of CDs Singson brought along for distribution to the press. The CDs were stamped with labels: they were entitled “The X-Tapes” and even had a caricature of President Joseph Estrada, as well as a playlist of the six cuts in the CD, the last of which was the wiretapped Estrada conversation.

The first five cuts of the CD included a call in which Estrada inquired from Nazareno, who seemed to be the one being tapped, about the results of the 2004 count. Another call had an Estrada aide talking to a politician or political operative in Mindanao. Senator Panfilo Lacson said in an interview with DZMM that these calls appeared to have been recorded by the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines with the cooperation of Smart, the mobile-phone company. (The Smart spokesman subsequently denied they had cooperated with ISAFP.)

The last cut, where Estrada supposedly plots the president’s assassination, sounds suspect, as the sound quality is noticeably clearer than those of the other cuts. Lacson insisted this was a manufactured conversation and so did Senator Jinggoy Estrada.

Over GMA Channel 7, the younger Estrada called Chavit’s revelations a "diversionary tactic meant to shift public attention to Erap." Jinggoy said that in his father’s long years of public service, had not heard of Erap plotting the murder of anyone. The same could not be said of the man who released the tape, Jinggoy said, referring to Singson.

In the alleged conversation, a voice, supposedly Nazareno’s, told his caller, supposedly Estrada, that Lacson had approved a plan to remove "pandak" (midget) and replace her with a "tanda" (crone) through a transition government.

The first voice then said "tanda" would get sick, leading the way for Estrada’s return to power. Tanda was apparently a reference to Ramos.

Beside Singson at the press conference was Ramon “RJ” Jacinto, former Lakas congressional candidate and owner of radio station DZRJ. In 2001,at the height of EDSA 2, Jacinto was also responsible for coming out with anti-Estrada CDs containing songs lampooning the former action star. He is also a staunch Arroyo supporter.

Early yesterday morning, text messages sent to journalists already announced that DZRJ would be playing wiretapped CDs implicating Estrada.

This latest release appears to be an attempt by the President’s supporters to muddy the trail and confuse the public mind. It was apparently released in an attempt to draw public attention away from the “Hello, Garci” tapes and a recent revelation that the president had talked to Garcilliano about padded votes or dagdag.

Meanwhile, in Malacanang earlier today, a feisty Mrs. Arroyo lashed back at her critics and accused them of having no plan of action, merely a “blueprint for obfuscation.”

“Even if people don’t like me right now, neither will they follow a road to nowhere,” she said in an uncharacteristically animated and forceful manner. In a meeting with some 500 Filipino-Americans gathered at Malacanang’s Rizal Hall, the president also announced her endorsement of constitutional change and a restructuring of the Cabinet to allow her, she said, to focus on the business of reforms. She named erstwhile NEDA chief Romulo Neri head of the budget department and banker Peter Favila secretary of trade and industry. She did not, however, announce a timetable for charter change and made no commitment to calling elections earlier than the end of her term in 2010.

She sidestepped these issues, instead promising more doleouts, in an apparent bid to win more public support. These included cheap rice to be sold in National Food Authority rolling stores, subsidies to local governments that would allow them to extend Philhealth cards for another year, and a road construction program to give jobs to the unemployed.

The measures did not include the demands the Cabinet members who resigned last week had made of the president, among them, a revamp of government to rid it of those associated with First Gentleman Mike Arroyo. The president’s speech was more like something she usually gave out while on the campaign stump. It was apparently intended to show she was in control and it was business as usual.

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Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:43 am

San yung tracks? We’d like to download and hear for ourselves.

Maria said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:37 am

I’m not pro Estrada nor GMA. The main problem here is rigging the election. The people that are involved in cheating the election itself and I ponder what got to do with Estrada plotting to kill GMA on present political crises in the Philippines? What I know the the crises started at “jueting payola” then ” the mother of all tapes” discussion of GMA and Garci rigging the elections. Then GMA admitted that she was the one on tape and say “sorry”. Even I listen to Estrada’s tape plotting a murder against GMA, I have to concieve the main essense of the case that connects to the destabilization of the Philippines. Singsong, can do anything he wanted but he had to connect the dots that points to the real culprits to the present crises of the country. Estrada’s tape would be just like any conversation planning to harm GMA but had not taken actions to murder her. As we all can see GMA is alive and kicking.

floyd said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:51 am

now they are shifting to a new court.
the advisers of Arroyo are tricky really tricky.
what they did is to question the authenticity of the motive behind the tapes and now place their bets on a new refurbished tape.
using DZRJ as a medium for it it doesnt play fair because estrada cant get them arrested for charges of sedition.
damn he cant even sue them for libel.
propaganda was used by hitler to demoralize his opponents and spread lies.
it has worked for him, and we dont know if it would work for GMA.
but one things for sure. when people hear that much against estrada and estrada is being rendered helpless he will have more supporters than opponents being the underdog that he already is.

the government oversimplified the situation resorted to badder more morbid tactics.

i think it will backfire.

their CDs will never sell or be better than the quadruple platinum sales of GMA and her hello garci tapes and ringtones hehehe

more power!

username said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:32 am

bakit wala na sa DNS ang quezon.ph ???? nakalimutan ba ni MLQ3 magbayad nang monthly nya? or binura ni Disini ang domain name nya sa nameserver nila?

Ganda talaga novela nila GMA meron nanaman bagong twist… pareho nang studio ang gumawa nang CD na ito at ung kay Sec Bunye kasi napakatanga parin at napaka obvious na ung last section ay patong patong lang as in HELLLO! nilagyan nyo man lang sana nang konting noise para convincing!

Dinagdagan lang nila ang pwede maisama sa impeachment case laban kay GMA. Maganda yan para sa bayan.

jt2k6 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:35 am

Another wiretapped conversation? More comedy act from this Zarzuela! Next scene please.

jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:05 am

the main issue here now is the WHOLE TRUTH. so please dear blogger dont dismiss this is as a muddling issue. sinimulan ninyo tatapusin natin. walang sinasanto. walang kulang walang dagdag. less than that is advancement of an ulterior motive na.

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:15 am

jonathan: pakinggan mo yung tapes ni Chavit na “authentic” daw and compare it with Toting Bawi’s “authentic” Ruado tape wherein Toting insisted that GMA was indeed talking to a “Gary” and it was not “Garci” but Bong “Gary” Ruado.

Then compare it with the Paguia tape and the 3 hour tape from the PCIJ.

You said you wanted the TRUTH right?

username said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:23 am

ang KATOTOHANAN dito ay ang MALACANANG ay gumagawa nang illegal.

Nakakatakot na ito kasi lahat pala nang kalaban sa pulitika ay nakawiretap…

tsk.. tsk.. tsk..

at sana naman ung magsasabi na hindi malacanang me kagagawan nito (wiretapping) eh magisip isip naman…

dami nang karapatan ang nilabag nang pamahalaang ito…

Xiarine said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:35 am

Whatever happened to the country that I truly love? Philippine politics is like a circus…Ano ba ang gusto nilang mangyari sa bansa natin? Pulutin tayo sa kangkungan? Kaya naman marami ang naghihirap dahil puro sakim at sugapa sa kapangyarihan ang mga nasa gobyerno!!! Puro na lang para sa kanila ang ginagawa nila!!! Hoy mahiya naman kayo sa mga balat nyo!!!!

jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:06 am

dont be naive guys there are dozens of tapes out there. what i want like everybody else is the mother of all tapes, not snippets of it.

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:59 am

^ yeah. I want to hear that mother of tapes too….kung intact pa at di pa nabubura ng mga kulugo ni GMA sa ISAFP.

tobebs said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:19 am

It seems malacanang is quiet about King Chavit Singsong’s tapes. I think they’re playing it safe this time baka MAKURYENTE nga naman uli.

juanbagwis said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:22 am

I have doubts if Ong is still alive especially when Chavit said yesterday that his remix cd is part of Ong’s mother of all tapes. Kahit malayo ako sa radyo napakalinaw nung huling part kumpara sa conversation ni Nazareno at Estrada. namumula na naman ang mga hasang ng mga pro-gma, alam nilang peke ito pero pinagpipilitan na totoo daw

Pinoy OFW said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:51 am

KINAKABAHAN NA YAN SI CHAVIT,kasi malapit lapit nang matapos ang JUETENG pag napaalis si GMA.
bat nga ba di nakasuhan yan nang JUETENG,considering confessed JUETENG operator sya during ERAP’s trial……

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:57 am

Is it real? Is it authentic?

Its only logical that there would be wiretapped material from everybody. Once some people get the equipment we can expect more wiretaps.

emer said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:59 am

sa aking sariling opinion parang dinoktor lang talaga yung usapan daw ni erap at yung isang hinde kilalang lalaki tungkol na pumayag daw si ping,, ang liwanag ng boses at yung background clear na clear, ay naku ano ba yan!!! gagawa lang ng kasinungalingan e hinde pa maayos,, palpak ang pagkakagawa. kanino bang studio ginawa nun kina rj jacinto.. e di ba bayaw ni mike arroyo si RJ ( yun katabi ni chavit sa presscon) kapatid ni mike arroyo yung asawa ni RJ… ang masasabi ko lang kay chavit,, hoy chavit mukhang kang engot sa ginwa mo.. di man lang nyo inayos para kapanipaniwala…gawa nalang ulit kayo ng ibang CD yung kapanipaniwala naman plzzzzzzzzzzz lang

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:00 am

I think I have to look for gsm scramblers. I have nothing to hide but i dont want people to “put words in my mouth”.

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:01 am

Ok to’. This is the ultimate in “transaprency”

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:03 am

We really need all of the recordings. wiretapped or not. somebody got a lot of them and they are keeping it to themselves. If somebody knows anything about it just post it on this blog.

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:07 am

actually it logical for a sympathetic engineer in one of the telcos to listen in to interesting people. what if the engineer is an Erap loyalist then in his frustration he will be willing to put his job and his employer at risk. I have an idea how the perceived injustices against Erap enrages a “loyalist”. my neighbour is one and its incredible how agitated he can get. and sometimes thats all he thinks about for several days. its worrisome because my mother is a vocal GMA supporter.

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:09 am

emer: ganyan din yung binida ni Bunye dati na “orig” na tape. pakinggan mo. makukuha mo yun dito sa PCIJ.

username said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:11 am

eto pa pinalitan na nang mas murang ticket at kahit malugi ang MRT para lang mawala ang mukha ni erap sa MRT ticket.

totoo nga ang sinabi nang mga 10 cabinet members na ginagawa lahat nang malacanang para lang mabuhay kahit ito ay sa kalulugi na nang gobyerno.

jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:11 am

chihiro, im glad you invited me to listen to those tapes. but let me ask you. do you have training in audio/voice analysis? i must admit i don’t. have you heard the song ‘Unforgettable” where Nat King Cole and her daughter Natalie Cole did a duet? To an untrained mind that duet was authentic.But now we know that the audio was spliced. In other words whatever i say does not have any bearing at all in any court of law. You know why not? Because i am not an EXPERT. To listen to those tapes and form an opinion, that is your right. To form a judgment on a person without expert opinion, that is another matter. Sadly, that’s what we have become. Metro Manila has become a city of fifteen million AUDIO/VIDEO EXPERT WANNABES when for most of these people their closest brush with the most sophisticated audio machine is probably their local videoke bar. That’s why, Chihiro, back to your invitation, i will listen to those tapes. But before i start marching in the streets and shouting RESIGN, i will always bear this in mind: I DON’T KNOW s**t!!

gangster_roger said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:13 am

Appealing to sense of decency never works. ITs only threats of violence or violence that will get their attention.

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:24 am

jonathan: you don’t need to BE an expert. maririnig mo naman yung consistency sa mga recordings and use your common sense. di ka ba nagtataka na tila yata PAREHAS ang consistency ng “orig” ni Bunye at ng tape ni Chavit? recall that Bunye had INSISTED that GMA NEVER spoke to Garci (samantalang inamin na ni GMA na nakipag-usap sya). And that instead, she spoke with GARY, a supposed member of her campaign team. At isa pa ginawa nilang EKSAKTO yung mga sinabi nitong GARY na ito sa mga sinabi ni Garci dun sa 3-hour tape and dun sa Paguia tape! Di man lang ginawan ng bagong imbento.

you do not need to be an expert to look for the truth and to know when it is there.

juanbagwis said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:41 am

Chavit’s tape should be labeled the NORTH DIVERSION TAPE. Si RJ Jacinto ng Radyo Bandido gusto na naman sigurong makabehest loan. Pakisingil nga po itong si RJ ng mga inutang nya sa gobyerno ng milyon milyon para sa mga negosyo nya na laging nalulugi

Darren said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:41 am

Bakit ba ang daming nagsasabing “there are dozens of version of the Hello Graci tape”? Para sakin naman dalawa lang ang versions e.. Ung kay Ong and Paguia kasi diba pareho lang yun? Excerpt lang nung kay Ong yung kay Paguia? Pero pareho naman ng contents.. Yung second version ay yung kay Bunye na obviously fabricated.

tobebs said,
July 15, 2005 @ 8:51 am

Sa dinamidami ng mga naglalabasang tapes ngayon di na natin alam kung alin ang original o alin ang naunang nai-tape. I think these developments would pose a challenge to those audio tape manufacturers to produce audio tapes or CD’s that would record the time and date of audio recordings just like in video recordings.

Partisanong Lagalag said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:06 am

Nagpapanik na si Chavit. Alam nyang reresbakan sya ng mga dati nyang kakosa kapag napataob si GMA. Kaya lahat ng milagrong pwedeng gawin para masalba lang si GMA gagawin ni Chavit.

At sinong gumawa ng CD ni Chavit? wala nang iba kundi yung katabi nya sa presscon -si RJ. Siempre sa studio ni RJ niluto ang mga CD’ng yan. Halata naman masyado na dinuktor lang yung kausap kuno ni ERAP ang isang di kilalang lalaki. Yung lalaki lang ang ang may story line habang si Erap puro Oo, Ah, at Ok lang ang sagot. Napakalinaw pa nang recording nung lalaki parang nakamicrophone lang at yung script na gamit nya (i.e. transitional government, etc.) ay mga terminong sa kasagsagan lang ng protesta laban kay GMA tumampok.Kulang na lang lagyan ni RJ ng background na nagigitara siya. Mas kikita pa sana yang CD’ng yan.

Kunsabagay para sa mga maka-GMA, si Chavit ay itinuturing nila na isang bayani. Kundi dahil sa kanyang pagpiyok dahil inonse siya nila Atong Ang at Erap sa hatian ng kita sa jueteng, hindi maluluklok sa poder si GMA.

Kung si Chavit na sagad-saring kriminal ay kinikilalang bayani ng gobyerno ni GMA, alam mo na kung anong klaseng gobyerno meron tayo ngayon.

masha said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:27 am

panggulo lang yang bagong tape. tactic yan ng mga heneral na kampon ni gma. they floated the new tape thru chavit ( who has a lot riding on gma). ayaw nilang ma associate with the tape baka mag backfire pero baka mag work rin kasi.

si chavit kasi napahiya yan dahil nabuking siya sa ruse niya na i-aambush siya ng mga tao ni erap. e talaga lang palang nag -run ng red light ang mokong.

whatever this tape is, it doesnt take away the fact that the person in malacanang right now is a cheat and doesnt deserve to be there and should resign posthaste.

GMA RESIGN!!!

koj said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:32 am

i disagree that the govt made a hero out of chavit…it’s us, pinoys (or should i say those at manila at that time) who were waiting for erap to make a blunder. the same pinoys who are trying to oust arroyo by the same method…

the only difference is that the middle class, who comprises most of those in edsa 1 and 2, aren’t buying such call yet…it might if they feel that the impeachment (the one i believe we’re leading to, because rallies won’t make gma step down) is rigged.

these new twists and turns, including chavit’s tape, whether true or not, fake or authentic would bring this nation further down…this is a lose-lose situation and we pinoys would end up as losers…

let’s get back to earth and face reality…

indio_lawless said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:50 am

Indeed, Malacanang spin-doctors and paid publicists never run-out of political gimmicks just to save the Queen.

The latest of which is putting Chavit “accusatory” antics into play.

While we, denizens, need not be experts to know the difference between Chavit’s and the gloriagate, the queen supporters posit a contrary view.

The funnier part is, they are heavily banking on the “expert witness rule” to discredit people who opines that Chavit’s tape is spurious, as if we are in a court of competent jurisdiction.

On the assumption that we are litigating this issue, then the concept of “expert witness rule” should be made clear.

Section 49, Rule 130 of the Revised Rules of Court, provides that “the opinion of a witness requiring special knowledge, skill, experience or training which he is shown to possess, may be received in evidence”. Thus, for the rule to apply the following requisites must concur: 1. The subject matter is contested and requires an expert to aid the court 2. The witness called must possess the knowledge, skill or experience needed to inform the court in the particular case under consideration 3. Expert testimony should relate to matter in issue.

Unfortunately, we are not in a court room but in a court of public opinion.

Verily, in a court of public opinion, aforesaid technicality is clearly irrelevant.

crd_web said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:56 am

I aggree @ koj, pinoy people are ending up as losers here. Especially the uneducated and the poor, but I think there is still hope as Einstein would say:

In the middle of the difficulty lies the opportunity.

I have seen my opportunities regarding our current situation and learned so much from it. I hope some people see it as I see it.

Once again,

let’s get back to earth and face reality…

tekiboy said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:56 am

hellooo..everybody..does any one here got the CD..bka pwede nyo upload link..so we can hear it..even if its look like fake..pagtyagaan narin..baka maging doble platinum pa yan..hehehe

Garcigwen said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:13 am

the chavit cd is good for one news cycle. nobody in the admin will want to push it. lalo silang mabubuking. i heard it on tv. the last tape
is obviously fake. there is no flow in the conversation.

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:21 am

^ gaya nung tape ni Ruado. ibinaon na nila sa limot.

Leo said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:36 am

Ang paglabas ng tape na ito na di umano ay boses daw ni erap ay isang maliwanag na indikasyon na ang mga nasa likuran GMA ay nagsisimula na sa kanilang ipakita sa sambayanan na hindi sila ganoon kadaling alisin sa kapangyarihan. Gaya na mga nauna ko ng pahayag, sila’y handang pumatay at magpakamatay huwag lamang maalis sa puwesto.. Bakit ngayon lang lumabas ang tape,,, inaayos pa ba, binubusisi pa ba? Kung si Prof. RANDY DAVID siguro ang naglabas ng tape, baka bumenta, pero si chavit kasama si RJ, ito’y isang desperadong hakbang ni Chavit para isalba ang kanyang sarili… siyempre sa dami ng kaso nya, baka hindi nya malusutan kung maaalis sa puwesto ang kanyang mga amo… Samakatwid, hindi na natin kailangan ang expert daw kuno,,, sabi ni JONATHAN,, para alamin pa kung tunay o hindi… ESEP LANG TAYO ESEP….

jemasan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:44 am

It seems that Chavit Singson is out of his mind again,it is very clear that they want to divert the issues with this new tape, with his cohort especially RJ Jacinto of channel 29 station.Alam kong pakawala ni Gloria si Singson kaya lang parang hindi kinakagat ng tao ang bagong propaganda nila sa administrations.
Sana pag naglabas ng wire tapped material ang sipsip na kakampi ni pandak yung kapanipaniwala para hindi bumalik sa kanilang mukha ang latay.
Jesse M. Sanchez

pags said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:46 am

Dapat ay imbistigahan yong cd ni chavit para malaman ng tao na pinagloloko tayo nito. Tapos huliin itong si chavit at buhusan ng barya galing sa jueteng. Para naman mabawasan ng isang salot sa ating bayan.

tobebs said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:51 am

Parang hindi pinatulan ng Malakanyang ang tape ni Chavit pati si Gonzales parang nabigla at di alam ang isasagot sa interview sa kanya tungkol sa tape. Maingat lang sila ngayon at baka 50.000 VOLTS na naman ang tumama sa kanila.

Leo said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:52 am

Marami pang mga susunod na hakbang ang kampo ni GMA, marami pang tape na lalabas, ang susunod naman ay ang tinig ni Fernando Poe Jr. na ipinapapatay si GMA dahil sa natalo siya sa eleksiyon,,, uunahan ko na dahil doon din naman pupunta yon,,, headline!!! boses ni FPJ ipinapapatay si GMA - sa halagang 5 milyon, abangan nyo… Kapag ang mga bagay na ito ay naganap na,,, ang maglalabas naman ay si bunye dahil babawi siya sa mga kahihiyan nya…. hehehe.. sus ginoo… Nagbalik na kaya sa kampo yung 6 na batalyon na missing … hehehe… andoon na raw sabi ni kabise,, nagpapahingalay,,,, mga utoy dahan dahan,,,

saluyot said,
July 15, 2005 @ 10:59 am

saan ba pwedeng madownload yung chavit tapes?

ilalagay ba ng pcij sa downloadables nila ang naturang recording?

tungaw02071974 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:03 am

Hope We can download and hear the X Tapes kumbaga the battle of wire tapes

Bensgr8 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:04 am

i hope it comes with transcript, too.

Bensgr8 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:10 am

jueteng, loteng, i think the next would be hello-teng. place your bets

noelet said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:24 am

What they want are media exposures, sensational headlines… that would for a moment divert attention. Pero it would be part of the defense once the impeachment trial kicks in as one of their delaying tactics.

Should atleast one ally of Erap should really pursue this and authenticate the tape by expert either locally or abroad. Post a technical details of it in the newspaper to convince people how cruel Malacanan’s tactic are.

lavinia said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:24 am

Wow, I didn’t realize that this wiretapping controversy was going to be better than any novel produced by Robert Ludlum or any spy thriller written by famous authors.

I’m sure the x-tapes will not be the last wiretapped CDs coming out this year. Sino kaya ang palagi nagsusupply ng tapes for administration and opposition? At bakit nila gagawin yon for both opposing camps? Anong motive? Abangan ang susunod na kabanata!

agol_78 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:32 am

ako may tape na ilalabas.

scatch tape! lagyan ko ng tape bibig ni chavit. lalo pa yata ako naasar kay chavit. halata naman pagkakagawa na doctored ang tape. tapos sa first part wala naman dayaan don. pano makadaya si nazareno naman. resulta lng ng eleksyon ang pinaguusapan tapos napunta sa assasination.

niloloko pa yata ako. sus!

kng hindi magkakasakit si tanda pano yan? marami din ayaw kay erap baka gulo na naman. ang tanga naman ng oposisyon kng ganyan ang plano.

kng elikida si GMA ok lng d ako magagalit.

lawspeak_007 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 11:43 am

I concur with pañerong Indio_lawless and by putting Judge Salazar’s Compendium in Evidence in “e-motion”.

With his kind permission, it can be added that even a non-expert may also give his opinion regarding a) the identity of a person when he knows said person b) the handwriting of a person when he has knowledge of the latter’s handwriting c) the mental sanity of a person with whom he is sufficiently acquainted. The witness may also testify on his impressions of the emotion, behavior, condition or appearance of a person (Section 50,Rule 130,RRC).

In simple words, the opinion of an ordinary witness may be admissible per compliance with the requisites and as long as it is relevant to the case.

I further agree with indio_lawless that in a court of public opinion, the rules of admissibility may be disregarded, but a caveat : common sense is not that always “common” just like what some of gloria lackeys do : the boorish gonzales, compounded by another round of lies courtesy of chavit singson.

Which again bring us back to the question asked by Atty. Raul Pangalangan : Whether GMA is prepared to give the law the benefit of justice.

chac said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:01 pm

It’s a desperate move for the Malacanang to field in Chavit Singson to do another heroic instance just to save their last breath.Nobody wanted to earn the karma of it…not even mike defensor kaso wala ng maniniwala pa sa inyo…iba yung pinaka-original wiretapped tape kaya di nyo na kayang burahin yun sa utak ng mga tao kahit ilan pang pirated tapes ang ilabas nyo. It only shows kahit di aminin ni Mike Defensor na totoong nandaya si Arroyo. Huh! grabe naman talaga ang katinuan nyo dyan sa Malacanang at tinalo nyo pa si Lucifer sa kademonyohan sa pagbali-baligtad ng katotohanan.

jjc1384 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:10 pm

Comparing yung last part ng X-tape pati yung part ng “yung dagdag, yung dagdag” ni GMA at Garci, halatang PEKE yung sa X-tape…wala man lang background…parang recorded sa studio! Halatang fake….Chavit, sana di mo nalang nilabas….lalo to makakasira sa inyo…..wawa ka naman! Sira na talaga kredibilidad mo! Mag-sama nalang kayo ng kabit mo…..Ang kabit ni chavit ay nanggaling sa isang sikat na pamilya mula sa General Santos City…”T” and start ng family name ng kabit niya……

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 12:14 pm

engot si Chavit. pero wais si Ermita - dumistansya agad.

The Pageman said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:02 pm

I would like to re-echo Chihiro’s sentiments. Is there no copy of the tracks? Let the Filipino decide!

LadyL said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:06 pm

I only saw the news on TV here in L.A today courtesy of ABS-CBN. The whole thing is very comical to me. He is so pathetic. Desperate people do desperate things you know.

tobebs said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:15 pm

One point Chavit wants to emphasize regarding the X-tape is that GMA won in Mindanao. Yes I agree with Chavit that GMA has won the presidential election in Mindanao because of “yung dagdag, yung dagdag”.

CHAVIT’S X-TAPE A FLAK! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 1:31 pm

lawless said.”Unfortunately, we are not in a court room but in a court of public opinion.
Verily, in a court of public opinion, aforesaid technicality is clearly irrelevant.”
Look, expert opinion is supposed to give the parties an objective and scientific way to solve disputes. Don’t dismiss it as mere technicality because these tapes are being used to fan mob rule. What if in the end, the tapes are found to have been dubbed, spliced, and edited just to suit the evil malfeasance of a certain group? Who will pay for the billions of dollars worth of damages that has been done to our economy?
Unfortunately, too, your way is not the way civilized socities are governed.

pingkian said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:24 pm

There is no doubt in my mind that the x-tape of chavit is spliced, though i agree that the said tape should be investigated and authenticated by a credible audio experts. I heard that senators jinggoy, loi and lacson, are agreeable to have the said tape be authenticated. They are even wiling to resign if the said tape were proven to be authentic and not spliced.
The x-tape only reinforced the belief that the “hello garci tape” is genuine. I congratulate Cong. Cayetano, Cong. Villañueva and the rest of the congressmen and women who accepted the challenge of Sec. Defensor to resign if the hello garci tape is proven to fake. I hope GMA will also resign if the hello gaci tape is authentic.

johnmarzan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:29 pm

It’s interesting that the mainstream media had no problems playing the “wiretapped” chavit tape, even though chavit claims that he has not authenticated the tape yet. Ipinarinig yung tape sa GMA7 kahapon.

But pagdating naman sa Gloriagate tape, ayaw o reluctant ang mainstream media na i-play ito — making excuses re the tapes being wiretapped and “not verified” by experts.

Why the double standard, Mainstream media?

masha said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:34 pm

sagot: envelopmental journalism aka atm journalism
 

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eh ang kaya lang naman gawin ni sec. defensor eh manindak, siya kaya isalang din nya sarili nya na pag totoo yung tape eh magresign din siya kasama ng mga arroyo’s?

i havent heard of the x-tape, any links that i can download to verify how authentic it is? feeling ko kse pinagpachi pachi lang yan na mga boses sa radyo, o di kaya sa mga movies ni erap noon. hehe.

pingkian said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:43 pm

I agree with you johnmarzan. I’ve been monitoring radio and tv stations and even the broadsheets. In fact, GMA apologist is dominating the air waves. Of course, the mainstream media do some reportorial, editorial and critical commentaries on GMA, but only to have a semblance of credibility. Buti na lang may pcij blog. Thanks to pcij.

Alecks Pabico said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:46 pm

As soon as we get hold of a copy, we will be making the audio file of Chavit’s “X-Tapes” available for download on our blog.

crd_web said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:49 pm

ok that’s great, I am eagerly waiting for the tape, rumors said there are some songs of RJ and the Riots included.

chac said,
July 15, 2005 @ 2:54 pm

Yun din ang tanong ko sa sarili ko…why? bakit ang daling pnadinig sa mga tao sa TV news ang tape na galing ke Chavit gayung yung hello garci tape ay inabot pa ng ilang linggo at katakot takot na debate sa kongreso bago bigyan ng permiso na iparinig? dahil ba ang nakaupo ang me pakana at di ang opposisyon? Bakit walang memo na pinalabas ang National Telecommunication para ipagbawal ang pagpaparinig ng tape sa mga tao? Me naamoy akong mabaho ha!

indio_lawless said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:12 pm

Jonathan, thank you for taking time to comment on my earlier post
but if you have read it finely, the CLEAR DISTINCTION between a COURT ROOM and the COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION will not escape you.

For your enlightenment, the former is governed strictly by the rules of court whereas the latter, the exercise of which is protected by the organic law subject to a reasonable regulation of the government.

In layman’s word, all I am saying is: technical rules applies where it should be applied. However, in arena of opinion, such as this blog, your opinion is as good as other’s opinion. Respect is the keyword not the rules of admissibility.

As to your concern who will be ultimately culpable for the damages done, the Philippine legal system provides for a proper forum and venue for that. Consult a lawyer of your choice to discuss a prospective civil suit for that particular matter.

I’m equally amused when you finally remarked, “Unfortunately, too, your way is not the way civilized socities (sic) are governed. ” Tell us then YOUR WAY, hoping that will IT make us all CIVILIZED.

Chihiro said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:16 pm

Haay Supreme Court….

Do you see what you have done? If you had just abided by the Constitution in 2001 hindi sana mangyayari ang mga ito ngayon. We would still have the Constitution to rely on and we would still have respect and fear for the law.

Ngayon, wala na. Dahil kayong mga mahistrado na sumumpang ipagtatanggol ang Saligang Batas ay ang namuno sa pagsira dito.

tonyvn said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:28 pm

Hahaha!!!! Funny baga!! ano ba yan? Ayaw talagang tumigil ang mga salot na opisyales ng pinakamagaling nating gobyerno ng mga Mandurugas, Mandarambong, Mambubusabos, Magnanakaw, Mamamatay Tao at higit sa lahat Mandaraya!!!!! Hindi na ba talaga titigil ang mga kampon ni Satanas sa ating bayan!

Katakataka! ang mga naglalabasan na issue sa diyaryo, tv at radio para lang maibaling ang public sa mainit na isyu ng ” 2J (Jueteng at Jose Pidal)at GMA-Garci tape”. Pilit na pinapatay ang totoong isyu!… akala nila ay mga tanga at bobo ang lahat ng tao. Sino ang mga “tanga at mga bobo” na lumalabas, eh di silang mga nasa administrasyon dahil kahit sarili nila niloloko!… Mag-isip-isip naman kayo! Sino ba ang maniniwala kay Singson ngayon kundi ang mga kampon ni GMA na diehard at mga Obispong kakampi niya!…Pag bagsak ni GMA ay magharakiri na si Chavit!… Sino ang sasama sa kanya sa paghiwalay ng mga Ilocanos sa Pinas!… hahaha! ikaw na lang mag-isa mo ano? di naman tanga at bobo ang lahat ng Ilocano? mag-isa ka na lang! Kinamumuhian ka ng iyong mga kababayang Ilocanos!… Power greedy!…

ef612 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:36 pm

Hay naku, si Chavit humahabol ng tabla! Para bang, ” O iyan ha, meron din kayong wiretapped kaya tabla na tayo. Kaya tumigil na kayo.” Siguro nataranta siya sa dami ng taong dumalo sa Makati. Pagnatanggal kasi amo niyang si Gloria, PATAY KANG BATA KA si Chavit. Kaya lahat gagawin para manatili sa pwesto.

Mr. Chavit, tell it to the marines.

rich___ong said,
July 15, 2005 @ 3:43 pm

It’s PEOPLE’s money again being used to SAVE the QUEEN.
Its easy to figure out why we have all these BUDGET DEFICITS and CREDIT DOWNGRADES. I think S&P and Fitch knew that public money will be wasted to prop up GLoria. I think we should stop paying taxes. They can’t put us all in MUNTINLUPA

ginnylimbo said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:05 pm

hey, chavit! that’s really cheap! bad taste… if its really authentic as you claim it is, why only now? wala ka na ba talagang magawa sa buhay? you already have plenty of money (unfortunately, you cant buy your own salvation in heaven), enough!
i agree with you rich_ong, its our (taxpayer’s) money…if the admin is claiming that the people from anti-gma rally last were paid, so is tomorrow’s pro-gma rally… dont argue anybody coz its true! most govt employees are offered with P150 plus a t-shirt… the hell with the people from gma’s camp! they’re wasting our money just to save gma’s presidency.. i just hope nature will take its course and bring you back to your creators! enough is enough!

noelet said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:29 pm

This is regarding the House minority’s preparation for impeachment:

“Another office will also be put up for the official legal team and volunteer lawyers, who will be assisting in the impeachment process.

“Suplico said they would temporarily be using the Office of the Minority in the House of Representatives for their meetings.”

A word of warning… be careful your meeting room might be bugged or wiretapped.

jonathan said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:30 pm

indio_lawless,
i have no quarrel with you regarding the rules in the court of public opinion. all i am saying is that although it is not governed by the rules of the court, it would be prudent for an individual to subject his judgment on a certain matter through thorough objective analysis. Expert opinion although not a requirement is a prudent individuals way of arriving at a conclusion. What i am afraid of is the arrival of a conclusion based on a faulty premise. Thank you for your lawyerly advice on where to seek redress for those damages. unfortunately for me, i grieve on those damages.

longbow2 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:40 pm

i wouldnt be surprised is somebody comes out of the blue and have an affidavit signed na sya yung kausap ni erap sa tapes na ipabagsak si gam at gamitin sa tanda!! Just like Bong Rualo

If meron, para patunayan true, dapat mag lie detector test sya in front of 3rd party such as pare para magkaalaman

Which makes me wonder, it totoo yung tape, di ibig sabihin pumayag si TANDA (Former Pres FVR) na magpagamit na ibagsak si GMA at mag lead ng transition , bago ipapatumba ni erapa at ping!

Humm???? they need movie directors to make the story at least credible naman….

timawang_batas said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:49 pm

Dito ka bibilib kay Erap,
Pagtinanong kung s’ya ang boses sa tape
sagot agad immediately.
Kung hindi, di hindi.
Pagpinaratangan ka ba naman ng mali
then you have the right to correct it.
Otherwise, one’s papel in life
will result to estoppel na nakakagigil.

Unlike gloria, nagsinungaling muna
pagkatapos she will apologise to all
including the masa
enough said she said otherwise
she could set again the record straight

Malacanang is consolidating their ranks
including their respective banks.
Loyalty check para sa lahat na alipores
including all cabinet secretaries
Aba, parang Star Circle Quest
it’s either you are IN or OUT pala,
Tuloy,nakaka-bwesit!

Bukas,dapat may lakad kami ng mahal kong lola,
pero tumawag at nagpa-kansela.
sayang daw ang Php 2,000 na
ipamimigay ni Lito Atienza
na may kasamang T-shirt pa.

Okey talaga si Mayor, basta kay gloria
maski pundo ng
Clean and Green gagamitin
para laging labing-labing.

Bukas din pala, ninong kong pulis,
nagpapasabi ng tsismis
wala daw red alert, and of course, this is not ma-init
Sa pro-gloria rally sa Luneta,
ang mga binayarang tao ay mag-mi-meet!

Ang Intelligence nga naman po ano?

soledad t. tubay said,
July 15, 2005 @ 4:54 pm

Ang masasabi ko lang, ang pagsisnungaling walang ibinubungang mabuti. Pagdating ng oras, katulad ng Greek tragedy, ang tragic hero, will meet his or her doom. Kung gaano kataas ang lipad siyang lakas ng lagapak. It’s seems like all these politicians, particularly the arrogant allies of the present dispensation, have not learned their lessons. Or probably they did not read any of these tragedies in their literature classes.

I likewise wonder why GMA is said to be intelligent when right now she is not demonstrating such brilliance that she is supoposed to have. Or does power not only corrup but also renders one to be deaf and blind. ‘Di naririnig ang totoong sinsabi ng tapes ni Paguia at ‘di nakikita ang totoong resulta ng mga surveys at bilang ng mga dissatisfied sa mga nangyayari.

Our only saving grace as a people are the young leaders who are brave enough to show the trapos what it takes to be a real statesman. Hurrah to Allan Peter Cayetano, Chiz Escudero and their fellows who really should never get tired in digging into the truth. You are these country’s fair hope.

blue3 said,
July 15, 2005 @ 5:06 pm

mag-reresign ang mga estrada senators kapag napatunayang authentic yung tape ni chavit? sana nga authentic para mabawasan na ng clowns and senado.

indio_lawless said,
July 15, 2005 @ 5:07 pm

I commensurate with your plight, jonathan.

I have sustained damages too if not losses.

If not for THE FIRM, my modest office could have a good chance of surviving at this trying times.

Thanks but no thanks to gloria,

But for now life under the mango tree thrives on

until the day of her resignation.

claymore said,
July 15, 2005 @ 6:16 pm

WALANG KUMAGAT…….tsk…tsk….tsk…

Dahil ang tao “gutom”, hindi “tanga”…..malayo ang sikmura sa utak…..
Iyan ang napapala ng mga tao’ng “napakagagaling”, “matatalino”, at mataas daw ang pinag-aralan….
Gasgas na ang kuntador ng utak, di na alam ang gagawin…
Dito nga sa “looban”, natawa anak ni aling tacing….walong taon lang ang bata….. dahil kung si erap daw iyon di tatawagin “pandak” si ….,matangkad pa daw iyon…”unano” daw ang itatawag para walang “dagdag”…walang”dagdag”

el_aStiG said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:06 pm

nakakatawa!
kasi pag labas ng “hello garci” tape na yan, usap usapan d2 sa workplace ko, -”nakup, delikado gloria nito, tiyak, me mga plano na namang diversion tong lintek na malacanang…”

“…baka me bomba na naman. o, kaya, pang kontra sa tape na yan.”
BOOM! ayun, tumama!sakto! galing naman ng gobyernong eto! ngayun, si chavit, sino pa uli kaya ang magsilabasan? #&%!

huh, lurker lng ako d2, nagbabasa lng, and bloggers are right. nakakaawa ang pilipinas dahil sa mga namomonu d2.

soledad t. tubay said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:23 pm

According to GMA this is not a popularity contest. Owww?!!! Kaya pala dahil nag-hit ang tape na Hello, Garci, naglabas naman ng ibang tape ang kalabang recording studio. Kaso, di magaling yung singer at pangit yung composition. Launching pa lang nilangaw na (naalala ko tuloy yung premiere night ng isang pelikula sa isang bayang wala namang sinehan… sino kayang pilantropong producer ang magtatapon ng salapi para lamang makapanood ng isang makabuluhang pelikula ang mga mamayang walang pera?).
At… dahil flop daw ang July 13 fans day ng opposition for Ms. Susan Roces, may fans day din sa Luneta sa July ano ba yun? Di nga popularity contest.

Mrs. Arroyo, please lang. Ang hirap para sa mga teachers na turuan ng moral values ang mga estudyante kung katulad po ninyo ang leader na kilala nila. Paano ko sasabihin, “NO CHEATING?”

noelet said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:17 pm

(http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=43645)

THE “WEAPON” that the opposition has been using to unseat President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo has backfired on them, a Malacañang official said Friday.

Tiglao said it was the opposition that first introduced an “immoral weapon” by way of wiretapped tapes, which recorded Ms Arroyo’s conversations with an election official during the canvassing of votes in the 2004 election.

“Some other people who do not necessarily support the President but has something against [former president Joseph] Estrada will surely make moves using their own weapon. They will use the same dirty tactics being used by the opposition,” Tiglao said.

“This is not a monolithic administration where everything is controlled,” Tiglao said, adding that speculations that the Palace had a hand in the release of the tapes by Singson were “hogwash.”

“Malacañang or any government official in the entire executive department do not have anything to do with those alleged tapes,” Tiglao said.

End of excerpt.

Oh my God!

Yesterday Malacanan said they would reserve their comment after they hear the contents of the tape.

Now look at that statement. Its really an appeal to take all this wiretap evidence as immoral weapons? Talk about resigning ALL the cabinet where in fact Gloria only change faces those who have been prominently screwed trying to defend the president.

Instead of Bunye… its now Tiglao. And with Tiglao they changed strategy and put to Singson the responsibility of countering the tapes. Malacanan is so fearful of a repeat backfire with Bunye. Now the plot is so thick to put to the opposition the wrong merits of back-firing. So as to distance Malacanan from the shameful example of what a very conspired and eagerly so dirty retaliation made by them through Bunye.

SHAMEFUL, MR. TIGLAO.

SHAMEFUL, MR. BUNYE.

SHAMEFUL, MRS. ARROYO.

For even as you deny involvement, the people can see a lie through the eyes of the speaker. And be prepared to accept the next trust rating survey Mrs. president.

SO SHAMEFUL. MALACANAN OPERATES ON SHAMEFUL AND IMMORAL ACTS.

Do not hide you dirty stuff with your diplomatic manner, Mr. Tiglao. For you are now here ONLY because Mr. Bunye failed.

Or Mr. Bunye has been a victim of strategy that never really his.

And it points to ONLY ONE person — THE PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES. A very shamefull presidency.

noelet said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:22 pm

I really wanted to call Mrs. Arroyo the “Weak Republic” president. But that seem not enough.

SHAMEFUL.

el_aStiG said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:38 pm

well, let’s look ahead on our school values;

1. “Cheat, just don’t get caught!”
2. “If caught, simply say, I’m sorry!”

GMA’s problem - her head is full of lice, scientifically known as - “helogarcidayamu eleksyonis”.

huh, in election time, they’v shoutd, “VOTE WISELY!”
yun pala, it’s that easy to maneuvr the thing that made us all here very equal! ang boto natin. uhg!

el_aStiG said,
July 15, 2005 @ 9:42 pm

from noelet: SO SHAMEFUL. MALACANAN OPERATES ON SHAMEFUL AND IMMORAL ACTS.

*
well said.
shameful. very shameful.

lethal_pointofview said,
July 16, 2005 @ 5:15 am

Wake up call to all mobile phone subscribers…

WE ARE NOT SAFE…OUR PRIVACY IS IN DEEP DANGER…

Appeal to the Masses…

Let us all stop using Cellular Phones for 1 month..Let’s try who’s losing their business…(just an experiment)

SMART,GLOBE, and SUN CELLULAR might be cashing in from our conversations(they might allow some 3rd party company’s and detective investigators to prey on our privacy…..this is hilarious…SENATE should investigate this companies…

Malacañang and other allies of Manang GLO are very desperate to cover up their deeds…If Gloria will be pulled out in her rented palace…there will be an over haul of dark deeds in Malacañang..dark ghost and spirits will be swift away…. Why is it that everyone is afraid of Ramos, Chavit..and other sick people in power(on and off)…

I am dissappointed about some local newspaper who are bayaran…”As if they are non partisan…fearless…and the truth shall…when in fact…they all have some sorta paid advertisement and paid news…with all the faces and pictures in focus…

I am appealing to PCIJ if they could make a report about the ownership of some tabloids and bigtime newsmakers in broadsheet as well…if who owns this sheets…coz i find it bias to some articles that i’m reading…

My analysis…I dont want to read any newspapers…

the likes of Tigulang na Chavit…make your own script…dont copy a script… as if someone give the CD to you..Be UNIQUE…

To RJ Jacinto..

get real…

Did Gloria and Mike ask your assistance…no wonder you didnt won in any public office candidacy…because you are Not REAL…

masha said,
July 16, 2005 @ 5:33 am

hindi uubra ang boycott ng cell companies. naka kontrata ang marami. kapag di nila ginamit ang alloted minutes/text, matutuwa pa ng cell companies kasi kumikita sila kahit walang serbisyong binibigay.

tobebs said,
July 16, 2005 @ 7:34 am

Sa dinamidami nating mga cellphone subcribers why not form a COOPERATIVE and establish our own Cellphone company just like ELECTRIC COOPERATIVES. Anybody here who is an expert in Cooperatives if my suggestion is possible?

CGBacani said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:07 pm

Akala ni GMA, Bunye, Tiglao, Defensor (at mga alipores nila), mga bobo ang mga pinoy na katulad nila.

Alam na natin kung sino ang gumawa ng panloloko sa elelction and nowhere can we say that the opposition is in a position to cheat in the elections. The one who controls the machinery of cheating — Comelec, Namfrel and military is the government. Sinama ko dito ang Namfrel dahil talaga naman ayaw nilang manalo si FPJ dahil they are not sure of FPJ economic program. At least with GMA, alam nila na its business as usual for the business elite.

Sabi nila galing daw sa oposisyon ang wiretapping at kesyo gawa daw ni Ping Lacson. With the recent wiretapping of Erap, would that mean that Ping Lacson will allow the release of a wiretapping conversation where his name is mentioned as one of who are planning for an assassination of GMA and Ramos? Masyado naman crudo ang akusasyon na ito.

The fact is, the problem of GMA is she is self-destruction. Ang mga pinaggagawa niyang katarantaduhan during the elections at mga kapalpakan nina Bunye at mga alipores niya ay bumabalandra sa kanila.

Pwede ba galingan naman ninyo gumawa ng script!!!

lavinia said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:23 pm

Akala nang opposition at militanteng grupo (at mga alipores nila), mga bobo ang mga pinoy na katulad nila. Satsat nang satsat sila …wala naman silang nagawang tama para sa bansa….puro na lang rallies, hanap ng mali o contobersiya, reklamo at investigation. In fact, sila ang malaking dahilan na bagsak ang ating ekonomiya.

The fact is, the problem with the opposition is they are self-destructive. Ang mga pinaggagawa nilang katarantaduhan ngayon at mga kapalpakan ni Aquilino Pimentel at mga alipores niya ay bumabalandra sa kanila.

enjeng wapeng said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:45 pm

Lavinia my dear! You’re such a …. forget it! Hindi nga bobo ang mga pinoy kaya nagrereact sa ginawa ni Gloria eh… Ikaw hahayaan mo bang nakawan ng anumang gamit mo gayung alam mo kung sino ang magnanakaw? I’ just asking my dear… and please don’t ever say that mga bobo pinoy… ask yourself first before you make judgement to others… ok…

masha said,
July 16, 2005 @ 1:50 pm

naku! paglilihis lang yan sa isyu. kailangan natin laging ibalik sa tapes. nahuling nandaya si gma kaya kailangan na siyang mag resign. kung anu-anong palabok ang idinadagdag ng mga aso ni gloria para guluhin ang usapan at mawala ang focus sa pandarayang ginawa niya at sa pagkabiglang yaman ng mga kaanak niya (mikey a 50K in 1992 to 76M in 2005; iggy arroyo from 19K Income tax paid to 300M net worth).

enjeng wapeng said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:00 pm

I don’t consider myself as one of those who believes in nothing! Everytime Mrs. Pidal ooops. Arroyo pala spoke to the public she always says that It is for the sake of Filipino people that is why I have many plans to improve our economy. ” PLANS” where is the execution Mrs. Pidal, OOOPS …Mrs. Arroyo. You know I’m not fool like you so I dont want to call you as president. Why? coz since 2001, what kind of economy do we have right now. Are you economist? Ecopromise… New terminology Mrs. Pidal… ECOPROMISE KA… hindi ka economist.. pwee ka…. ANG SINUNGALING AY KALAGUYO NG MGA MAGNANAKAW…

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:13 pm

one more thing… CEBU leaders are planning and holding meetings to create a REPUBLIC of CEBU (and in fact a REPUBLIC of the VISAYAS) if GMA is ousted… Isn’t that inciting to sedition???

eto katotohanan lang… majority of people na nag EXODUS dito sa MANILA ay galing sa VISAYAS…

alam mo kung bakit LAVINIA????

walang trabaho sa CEBU!!! saan kaya patratrabahuin ni GARCIA at OSMENA ang mga kawawang CEBUANO???

MAG - ISIP naman sana mga lider natin sa CEBU no. intawn maluoy mo namong mga bisaya nga nianhi na lang sa MANILA kay wa trabaho sa ato!!!

yon lang yon.

Naz said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:17 pm

Lets not forget mindanao. Infatc they were the 1st once to announce an independent state of mindanao. Scary to think of it. My mind is like drawing all sortsa pictures. “Breaking news: Three new countries emerged from east-asia. Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao.” For me, thats the real destabilization. ill take it as threats.

Godbless!

eyesWIDEopen said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:19 pm

eto pa LAVINIA, kindly do youR math…

WHEN i was working in CEBU for almost the same JOB that i have now here in MANILA,,, I was only paid 2,500 gross per 15th…

now that I am here in MANILA I am now paid 10+++ net per 15th. GOOD LUCK na lang kung mobalik pa kog trabaho dinha.

My friends who are still in CEBU, kalooy pud,,, can only visit AYALA mall and SM mall per 15th… cada sueldo…

I wish you open up your eyes LAVINIA and I hope you won’t generalize all BISAYA or ALL CEBUANO with what you called… CEBUANOS love of GMA!!!

AND certainly, having joined the AYALA rally, I don’t consider myself bobo. BAGKUS i considered myself vigilant against the cheat and the gloriagate.

penpenpen88 said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:31 pm

The fact is, the problem with the opposition is they are self-destructive. Ang mga pinaggagawa nilang katarantaduhan ngayon at mga kapalpakan ni Aquilino Pimentel at mga alipores niya ay bumabalandra sa kanila
I beg to disagree lavinia ang me kasalanan lahat nyan ay si gloria. The mere fact na sinalo nya ung presidency when there is this attempt by Ayala inc to oust erap (who was if i were to recall elected then by a larger margin). then but hindi nya ginawa yung sinasabi nya ngayon na follow the constitution. Ahe could have sued for calm let the impeachment continue if she was indeed for the constitution?? In fact as was said by MIguel zubirri sa NBN day one plang ni erap sa office me plano na silang i oust sya. Now, is that constitutional?? Now she hides behind the veil of the constitution she violated?? anung klaseng tao yan?????
Tungkol naman sa tapes.. anything coming from Chavit “the criminal” singson wag dapat paniwalaan.. Nakapagtataka pa nga self confessed jueteng lord yan eh. But governor pa yan ng ilocos?? dahil ba sa backing ni gloria?? Ibig bang sabihin nun eh ung dating cut ni erap binibigay na nya ke gloria?? bat po wlang nagtatanung nun?? Naka focus lang po tayo sa tapes where in fact ang daming lapses of judgement nitong presidenteng ito.. Akin lang pantay pantay lang if si erap pwedeng i oust dahil sa jueteng. si gloria pwede ring i oust dahil sa cheating for condoning subersive statements by government officials (who i doubt are really speaking for the people) who are threatening to ceceed from the republic if she is ousted (sinu ba sila??). si FVR pwedeng i oust dahil sa PPA at sa centennial expo.

CGBacani said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:48 pm

Lavinia,

You are doing exactly what this government is doing, Tit for Tat. Remember that what is happening in our country now is the handiwork of the first family. Mike and his cohorts in government and business elite. Mikey and his Uncle on jueteng issues, Gloria, Mike, Garci, Barbers and the rest of the characters in the election cheating.

The opposition is not blind not to see and hear these shenanigans and it would be foolish for all of us if we just keep quiet and allow these cabal to rule the country with impunity and total disregard of our moral values.

If you choose to be with GMA, thats fine. Be with them til eternity.

tobebs said,
July 16, 2005 @ 2:50 pm

Tama ka diha eyesWIDEopen kami diri sa Mindanao nanimbawt among balahibo sa among mga lider nga bilib ra kaayo sa ilang sarili anaa si Mayor Rodrigo Duterte og Gov. Manny Pinol

agol_78 said,
July 16, 2005 @ 4:15 pm

not all cebuanos love GMA.

VLage said,
July 16, 2005 @ 6:34 pm

Lavinia’s statement can be construed to what? It’s either he/she wants to stick what she believed in or talagang tanga. I dont know but her or his statement proves something… stupidity is common everywhere.

Usage of common sense is free and we have to exercise it once in a while.

the opposition is the opposition, we cant do anything about it.

Gloria resign.

small_light said,
July 16, 2005 @ 8:15 pm

ang ganda ng mga drawing sa labels ng CDs.

Baka may comics version ng destabilization plot. Ilabas ninyo na rin.

jun_rivero said,
July 17, 2005 @ 4:26 am

Yung ki Garci wiretapped conversations, ang gamit nya ay mobile phone. Alam naman natin na wireless ang ganitong klase ng telepono. Pwede ba natin itong tawagin na “wiretapping”?

Ano kaya ang appropriate word??

Chihiro said,
July 17, 2005 @ 5:11 am

“wireless-tapping” o kaya “cell-tapping”

hee hee

usda_gradeameat said,
July 17, 2005 @ 11:43 am

Lavinia..pwede bang paki lagay dito ang mga nagawa ng pangulo mo sa loob ng kanyang pekeng panunungkulan?…
BOTTOM LINE ….WALA!

BAWAT PANGULO NG PILIPINAS MAY NAGAWANG MABUTI KAHIT ISA..NAMUMUKOD TANGI ATANG SI GLORIA LANG HANGGANG NGAYON E WALA PANG MAGANDANG NAIDUDULOT SA PINAS…

Ika nga ni Dolphy…..Dugay na sa Malacanang…..(paki dugtungan nga mga katoto…hindi kasi ako bisaya e…)

ben said,
July 18, 2005 @ 4:19 pm

hehe..galing mo tlaga chavit…And just if you think we’re that stupid to believe your so-called X-Tapes, think again…It wll NOT change the issue..your Gloria STOLE the sovereign will of the people..Its only a matter of time and you must now start rendering one of the more popular Sinatra piece..ehem..”And Now The End Is (HERE) Near and So I Face The Final Curtain…Hehe…

LCsiao said,
July 18, 2005 @ 9:01 pm

Dugay na sa Malakanyang, tonto pa gihapon

(not sure if spelling is correct)

doctorT said,
July 18, 2005 @ 10:53 pm

Uki ninam chavit. You are a disgrace to all Ilocanos. Dapat sayo ilagay sa Guinness Book of World Records kasama ng amo mo. THE BEST LIAR ON FACE OF THE PLANET. lahat ng lumabas sa bunganga mo kasinungalinan. Daig mo pa si satanas.

dong said,
July 19, 2005 @ 5:34 am

SATANAS BA KAMO DOCTOR T ?? Aba, teka muna isama mo na rin yung kandidato ko. siya yung pinaka batang bata sa cabinet officials ni GMA.. sabi nga ni tita swanny sayang, (dahil sa galing nyang magsinungaling) may potential pa namang maging pinuno sa impyerno balang araw… hak hak hak hak.

brulyo said,
July 19, 2005 @ 12:18 pm

Please tell everyone not to use Smart cellular phone anymore as manny V. Pangilinan gave a blanket authority to ISAFP to wiretap and intercept. Intelligence Service AFP is led by Brig. General. Marlou Quevedo whose cousin Atty Rogelio Quebvedo (a former agent of the Ver Led NISA) is the legal counsel of Smart. ISAFP could monitor any smart cellular phone in their offices a s they are given an E1 interface by Manuel V Pangilinan and Roger Quevedo.
 
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:33 pm
THE Liberal Party has voted to call for the resignation of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. If Arroyo does not step down voluntarily, the party said, they will support an impeachment move.

At a meeting at the Club Filipino, twenty members of the country’s second oldest political party voted to call for Arroyo to step down; eleven members wanted the President impeached, one voted for continuing support to the Chief Executive, and one to ask her to go on a leave of absence. The majority voted as well to demand for an overhaul of the Comelec.

The LP has among its members former Secretaries Florencio Abad and Rene Villa, two of those who announced this morning that they were leaving the Cabinet. Other party members are Secretaries Mike Defensor and Rigoberto Tiglao who are remaining with the President. Senate President Franklin Drilon is a member, as well as Senators Francisco Pangilinan, Mar Roxas and Rodolfo Biazon. The party counts 34 members in the House of Representatives, and in other local positions nationwide.

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jonathan said,
July 8, 2005 @ 1:59 pm

This is actually the moment i’ve been waiting for: a new group of oppositionists culled from the current ruling party. Hopefully, they grow in number and replace the old opposition, which unfortunately, has failed to play their role. To begin with, they are the relics of the Marcos and the Estrada regimes and have been fighting with each other. Their choice of FPJ as their Presidential standard bearer last election confirms their dearth of talent. The Liberal Party as the new opposition party is a good omen for the future of Philippine politics. With a long, dignified history, they can easily attract bright and idealistic members who can compete with the ruling party and give better choices to the electorate.

Rene said,
July 8, 2005 @ 2:04 pm

Would be interesting to hear to know how Defensor and Tiglao voted and what they will do now should GMA quit (if indeed she has balls, or the people have balls to make her quit).

Mabuhay and Pilipino…

masha said,
July 8, 2005 @ 2:28 pm

cuidao. pangilinan is mr noted who helped expedite the proclamation of gma. drilon has been wishy washy.

so far ok si mar except for his association with korina. puede na sanang maging presidente later kaso si korina ang partner. dehins puede.

goops said,
July 8, 2005 @ 2:40 pm

e di ba ilang weeks lang nagsabi sila drilon, atienza, et al. na sinusuportahan ng liberal party si gma? mukhang nagbago ang ihip ng hangin. at mukhang puro hangin lang ang laman ng utak nyo…
itong si drilon, pagkatapos mag-sorry ni gma e inabswelto nya agad si gma…
itong si atienza, kaka-presscon lang nito nung isang araw kasama ang mga mayors na sumusuporta kay gma…
tsk tsk tsk… panahon nanaman ng mga balimbing…
hoy mayor atienza! dati erap ka a! tapos naging gma! tapos balimbing ka nanaman?!?! pakiayos nga ang pag-’buhay mo sa maynila’. baka nakakalimutan mo, kasama sa maynila ang tundo. puro yung sa lugar mo lang ang inaayos mo e. kailangan ng maynila ay basic services para muling mabuhay ito, hindi yung mga proyekto na pang-PR lang…

gladiator said,
July 8, 2005 @ 5:13 pm

The goal ought to be to install more principled leaders in government. Leaders of courage, competence, and most specially, character. This is why most presidents failed in the past.. I do not think Kiko is the enemy. I hear he is chairman of the National Reform Council of the Liberal Party, attempting to recruit more principled leaders (government and private) into the party and into government. Same goal. This is what we need.

LP still has some cockroaches, as any group of humans, but name me a more pallatable party than the Liberal? With the likes of Butch Abad, Chito Gascon, Gov.Robredo of Naga, and so forth. They voted 20 Resign, 10 Impeach, and 1 status quo.

PrAtTler said,
July 8, 2005 @ 11:50 pm

We had the chance to know the truth during last year’s canvassing of votes, but Kiko Pangilinan et. al. chose to invoke ‘noted’. I hope he has the humility to acknowledge his obvious ‘lapse of judgment’. Did somebody say his breaking the gable was an omen of things to come?

Mike Defensor is Gloria and Mike Arroyo’s favorite errand boy, remember his rescue of Udong Mahusay? Wrong place at the wrong time. Sayang ang talent nitong si Mike D.

Drilon seems to have mastered his role as a ‘deserter’…. remember his breaking away from Erap in 2001.

Mar Roxas has been consistently quiet on this scandal (until this LP vote). Who blames him, he’s nurturing some ambition. Will he be (one of) our best bet for 2010? Or is 2010 still a possibility?

korab said,
July 9, 2005 @ 6:16 am

nakakaamoy na ng posisyon si Drilon, kaya bumalimbing na…di uunlad ang pinas kung ang mga pulitiko ay balimbing….walang mga ipinaglalabang prinsipyo, basta ang mahalaga ay ang kanilang personal interest…pinasok nyo ang public service, dapat bayan muna ang isipin nyo!

daluyong said,
July 9, 2005 @ 1:24 pm

As i’m writing this, Mayor Lito Atienza has just finished his press conference detailing how the Drilon-led faction railroaded the entire procedure.

Mas masahol pa pala sila Drilon kay Golez, the perennial balimbing. At least Golez had the courage and dignity to lay it all on the line when no clear advantage to him was apparent. Pero itong grupong ito, terible at nakakasuka. And to think just weeks earlier, these same guys had a photo session with GMA declaring their support. And even Drilon days earlier rabbleroused Iloilo with pro-GMA flattery.

Here is how i think what happened. These guys had themselves a deal with Noli de Castro in Hongkong, a very favorable political deal. They then networked with Cory and the Makati executives. The timing says it all. After the beakaway cabinet members’ presscon, they had their own presscon. Then the MBC press release and later, the Cory Aquino presscon. Noli even had a vague press release of sorts. It was planned to be a POLITICAL COUP intended to force GMA to step down.

But the problem was: the lady just dug in her heels.

Remember the names of these politicos who take positions only if there are clear possibilities of em taking power: DRILON, PANGILINAN, ABAD, ROXAS, BIAZON etc.

I knew something was afoot two nights ago when suddenly Mr. NOTED (Sen. Pangilinan) allowed himself to be interviewed on ANC. This guy who has been silent for several weeks suddenly was on TV testing the waters again. Pia Hontiveros could not hide her disgust at this Senator’s longwindedness so she abruptly cut him off the air.

Senator NOTED-PANGILINAN, please apologize first to all of us regarding your role in last year’s cheating cover-up before you have the temerity and gall to withdraw your support to PGMA. Cge ka, baka i-withdraw rin nya ang trophy ni Sharon Cuneta!

juanday said,
July 9, 2005 @ 1:30 pm

Here is for breaking the impasse, my personal suggestion and opinion.

1. What if we allow VP Noli to take the place of GMA and in exchange Noli will appoint Loren Legarda as the new VP.

This is not to allow Sen. Drilon to take ove the post of VP because this will surely not acceptable to opposition and their team will be highly doubted by many.

Appointing Legarda to VP position will stop the PET to open the COC’s and to erase Legarda’s insistent that she was cheated because she is now the VP.

2. Another option is for Noli to appoint Pimentel as VP if Legarda is not a good proposition. This is if Pimentel is acceptable to opposition and to stop Pimentel from sourgraping because he got the next highest position of the country which he is (in my mind) very much interested many years ago.

This will calm down the restive opposition (at least for now) and let us go back to normalcy.

This is open for comments.

daluyong said,
July 9, 2005 @ 1:36 pm

GLADIATOR, I just read your post and i have some questions because i presume youre a Liberal insider.

What were you guys thinking?

The Atienza narration of events (plus Roces’, Andaya’s, etc.) detailed how GARAPAL the maneuver was. Atienza was the LP chairman and you guys did not invite him?

Did the Drilon-faction really think that its gamble of presenting to the party a fait accompli (GMA stepping down, Noli in power, LP as the head party) would transpire at all?

Pinagtatawanan lang kayo ni Manong Johnny Enrile sa radio program nya, AMATEURS daw kayo.

gangster_roger said,
July 9, 2005 @ 2:15 pm

sila naman lahat bayan ang iniisip eh. may kanya kanya lang paniniwala paano gawin yun.

ngayon pipili ka kung sino papanigan mo.

gangster_roger said,
July 9, 2005 @ 2:17 pm

Its not about character at all. its about safeguards. and transparency and platform.

who is the perfect judge of character? and dont forget characters change.

leatherneck said,
July 9, 2005 @ 3:44 pm

Daluyong,

Just so that you will not speculate out of ignorance, allow me to disabuse you from what you just THINK what happened when the Liberal Party appelaed to the president to resign. I know because not only am I an insider, I hav first hand knowledge and participation in it.

The Liberal Party has been an ally of the president since 2001. In 2004, the party gave full support to GMA, and because Senator Drilon was instrumental in GMA’s overwhelming victory in Iloilo (compared to Manila where GMA lost miserably). The president’s legislative agenda was supported by Liberal Party members in both Houses, which enabled her to implement programs that were cornerstones of her administration.

But that support has its limitations. One cannot be forced to support a leader with whom confidence is already lost. Support is voluntary and the one giving it has the right and option to withdraw it. The principle is also applicable in the relationship between an appointing authority and an appointee, where the appointee serves only “at the pleasure” of the appointing authority. A simple justification of ‘loss of confidence” is sufficient for the appointee to be asked to resign. Cabinet secretaries serve at the pleasure of the President, and they can be asked to resign anytime. Just as they can resign anytime because of loss of confidence in their leader.

For weeks, the members of the Liberal Party, more particularly the legislators, have been disturbed by what’s going on in government, especially with what’s being revealed in the inquiries in both houses. Some began to have doubts on the party’s support to the president, especially when it was becoming clear that genuine reforms were long in coming.

Party members even met with the president to express their sentiments, unlike other political parties who blindly troop to Malacanang just to act as rah-rah boys to the president.

As a consequence, the party leadership decided to conduct consultation meetings with the membership to get a feel of what direction the party should go. As a dynamic party, the LP should always be pro-active and not simply be a bystander waiting for things to happen.

The consultations were decided to be held in batches in order to make facilitation easier. Meetings were initially held last week and for each scheduled day, a set of invitees were prepared. For Friday, July 8, the meeting was scheduled to be held at Club Filipino starting at 9:00 AM. Because of the president’s announcement the previous night (where she declared she will ask the cabinet to resign), the meeting took on an urgent and crucial character so additional personalities were invited in the last minute. Including Mayor Atienza. In fact, Senator Drilon himself personally invited the party chairman.

As a consultation meeting, it started with the members expressing their views on the current situation. Of course, different opinions came out but one thing is common—the party had to act in light of the sentiments of the members and the events that were happening. The question of what to do and when to it came up. In answer to those questions, the proposal to take a vote was adopted.

There were two votes taken in that meeting. The first one was whether to act now or act later. The general sentiment was that the party had to act with urgency considering the pace at which events were happening. The members did not want to become sideline spectators and wanted the party to take an active stance. So the viva voce vote resulted in an almost unanimous decision to act immediately.

The next issue was what to do. For that, the members gave proposals to be voted upon. The following were forwarded:

1. Maintain support for the president, but with the condition that genuine reforms will be implemented.
2. Ask the President to take Leave of Absence
3. Impeach the President
4. Ask the President to resign

Before taking the actual vote, the question on the nature of the vote was discussed. It was taken into consideration that the body meeting that day was not the whole membership. Upon advise of one of the longest serving party members, Gov. Raul Daza, it was resolved that the vote will be an advisory vote to the Executive Committee which was authorized by the party constitution to make decisions for the party if the National Executive Council (NECO) could not be convened under certain circumstances.

Proponents of each proposal were given the chance to defend the proposal with Sec. Mike Defensor defending the proposal to maintain support. The vote was by secret balloting, with the following results: Resign- 20 votes, Impeach-11 votes, LOA- 1 vote and Maintain Support-1 vote.

The vote was taken just before lunch, around 11:30 AM. The press conference after the vote was aired by delayed telecast around 2:00PM over ANC.

It is unfair for Mayor Atienza to claim that he was not invited to the meeting because as party chairman, he was extended the invitation by the LP secretariat and the president himself. Personalities known to be close associates of the mayor were also present, one them even casting his vote to impeach President Arroyo. Sufficient opportunity for discussion was given to everyone and the mayor’s close associates should have spoken in his behalf or at least express apprehension about the mayor’s absence in the meeting.

Some may see the LP’s action as being opportunistic. Some may see it as an act of patriotism. But actually, it was an act of conscience.

leatherneck said,
July 9, 2005 @ 3:56 pm

JPE calling LP amateurs? He and who else?

The old man is due for retirement. Maybe he is a pro…he was a chief architect of martial law, and trampled on the constitution to oust a president, continue plotting the ouster of another and win by dagdag bawas. Yup. He’s no amateur.

daluyong said,
July 9, 2005 @ 7:36 pm

Thanks for the clarification, leatherneck.

I’m just an ordinary citizen, by the way, and i’m not as privileged as you to be privy to anything. That said, allow me to continue.

Nowhere is the deafening cry that such was an act of patriotism. Maybe in your immediate circles. But outside them, i don’t think so. It was an act of world-class opportunism, if i may say. And if there are bloggers out there who feel the same way, please voice it out.

Allow me to be makulit. Please explain in details, just as you have above, how come Atienza indeed was invited but was not appraised of the importance of what you guys were about to do? Sabi ni Atienza, Drilon invited him casually to a CONSULTATIVE MEETING, not a meeting that would result to such an OFFICIAL PARTY STAND. Whatever your answer is, in any case, I think you guys are headed to a serious party split. I distinctly remember an LP-Fajardo wing in the 80s and I can’t help but contemplate a Drilon- or Atienza-wing in the coming days.

But more than all these, I think here is the implication of whatever you guys tried to pull-off: that series of acts, that attempt at a political coup, was meant to steal the thunder from the rising malcontent and outrage of the people. Just as history would instruct us, whenever the people would rise up and threaten to storm the corridors of power, elite groups of whatever persuasion would try to steal the show so that they could have the power for themselves.

Indeed it was an act of conscience, but only within your circles. I still distinctly remember Drilon’s words while in Iloilo: “Madam President, kung ayaw na sa inyo sa Manila, pwede kayong lumipat dito sa Iloilo!” or words to that effect.

And who could ever forget Senator Pangilinan’s righteous indignation when he was saying ‘NOTED!” alongside now-Secretary Gonzales.

Here’s my take: the Liberal Party, at least its top leadership, was party to the electoral fraud committed by GMA last year against FPJ and the Filipino people. And unless these accomplices present new and more damaging evidence of this electoral fraud, you guys can never hope to force GMA’s hand to relinquish power. Perhaps in a second press conference more dramatic than what happened yesterday?

Lastly, im not a fan of JPE. Neither am I a fan of the current Opposition. I just can’t stand acts of self-serving gestures whenever I see one.

leatherneck said,
July 9, 2005 @ 9:06 pm

Daluyong,

i believe my 7th paragraph explained your question about the nature and character of the meeting.

If you see anyone in government who you don’t see as acting self-serving gestures, just post it here. I’ll be glad to put him or her on a pedestal.

leatherneck said,
July 9, 2005 @ 9:19 pm

Daluyong,

Allow me to be makulit also. You are not just an ordinary citizen. i’m just privileged to have first hand access to information that’s why I refrain from making uninformed speculation.

Unlike the President’s economic adviser who asked Dan Songco of Pagbabago@Pilipinas on ANC “what is your importance compared to the governors who support GMA?”, I still believe that we are all equal under the eyes of God and the law. We just have different accesses to information. That’s why I also can’t stand people who make judgments, conclusions and accusations without having the right information.

The problem with the country now is that the poeple have become pessimistic, suspicious, skeptical and judgemental of ALL politicians. Of course, it’s the poltiicans themselves also who brought it upon themselves. But it’s just unfair to those who serve with sincerity and honesty (I doubt if you’ll believe that, but there still are some left). If the filipinos continue to think that way, who can we count on to serve in government? The decent ones will simply stay away and who will be left behind? Those who are thick-skinned enough to take all the crapo from the people and simply ingratiate themselves.

That’s exactly what happened to the cabinet. The decent ones are those who opted out, not being able to take the heat in Malacanang. These people sacrificed their lucrative careers and peaceful and productive civilian life to serve the people. Unlike those who choose to stay in position (such as the two retired policemen who occupy DOTC and DPWH, the retired general who had to move heaven and earth just to be confirmed as DILG) who need the position more than the position needs them.

daluyong said,
July 10, 2005 @ 8:16 am

Good morning, leatherneck.

Ive just read the Inquirer this morning. My guesswork is confirmed (all you bloggers turn to frontpage, July 10 issue)—Drilon indeed engineered it all. Though of course, he and his partymates vehemently deny everything.

Anyway, leatherneck, it was a GOOD plan and a BOLD one, if i may say. It was even WELL-EXECUTED. I doff my hat (or salakot) to all of you. Had you all succeeded, you would all have our sympathies and accolades. You would have sidelined the fractious Opposition and restored normalcy to the country, at least for the time being.

Now can we all get back to the real work on the real problem at hand? I trust that the debacle would have sobered you guys up so that you will work hand-in-hand with the People from now on. Not with you guys in front but alongside us.

Sorry for the alaska in previous blogs. You still have our respect but not in the amount you want it to be. So please, cut the crap from here on.

leatherneck said,
July 10, 2005 @ 9:08 am

Daluyong,

I just read the article. Ha ha ha! Of course Malacanang sources will say that. It’s now a war of words in the media. Didn’t you notice the mdeia blitz by malacanang yesterday? They hogged the airwaves both tv and radio! They even went on character assassination of the resigned cabinet officials. It’s malacanang going on the offensive. They want to lessen the impact of those calling for GMA’s resignation. And I can’t believe you’re taking it hook line and sinker!

And do you know why newspaper articles are not accepted as evidence? Because you can’t always rely on what is written in it. A journalist cannot be compelled to reveal their “sources”. SO how can you verify the veracity fo the report?

leatherneck said,
July 10, 2005 @ 9:43 am

Daluyong,

Just additional information as food for your thought:

1. VP Noli is in no way politically affiliated with LP.
2. VP Noli is acknowledged as a “pseudo-Nasyonalista”, as one NP member put it.
3. NP members chair the jueteng and wiretap hearings (Villar and Remulla) which despite attempts by admin lawmakers to put to a stop, continue to be heard
4. NP head honcho is Sen. Manny Villar (known in political circles as having a moist eye for the top post)
5. VP Noli is a member of the Wednesday Club, the group of senators who like to take the role of swing vote in the senate, with Villar usually taking the role of Direk
6. VP Noli statements about the situation and his stand echo that of the NP

Take these information and reflect on it (that’s the NP stand, REFLECT. LP is RESIGN, Lakas/Kampi/NPC, etc. REMAIN). Sometimes a left hook form out of the blue is what knocks down a boxer.

leatherneck said,
July 10, 2005 @ 9:52 am

Daluyong,

Allow me to point out to you some information as food for your thought:

1. VP Noli is in no way connected politically with LP.
2. VP Noli is referred to as a “Pseudo-Nasyonalista”, as one NP member put it.
3. VP Noli is identified with the Wednesday CLub, a group of senators who usually take a common stand in the senate, acting as a power block, with Senator Manny Villar usually acting as “DIrek”
4. Sen. Villar is the head honcho of NP, and is known in political circle as having a moist eye for the top post.
5. NP members chair the investigations into jueteng in the senate and wiretap in the house. Despite efforts of admin legislators to stop the hearings, they are still ongoing.
6. VP Noli’s position on the current situation echoes that of the NP (Lakas/Kampi/NPC etc is REMAIN, LP is RESIGN, NP is REFLECT)

Reflect on these, Daluyong, because sometimes the left hook from nowhere is what knocks out the boxer.

usda_gradeameat said,
July 10, 2005 @ 1:02 pm

Hindi po ako magmamarunong na alam ko ang kasagutan sa mga problema ng ating bansa, ngunit isa lang ang malinaw sa akin….WALA NG KARAPATAN PANG MAMUNO SA ATING BANSA SI GLORIA ARROYO. Kung mananatili si Arroyo sa kanyang pwesto, wala na akong nakikita pang dahilan upang sumunod sa batas. Ang ginawang pagtawag ni Arroyo sa isang “kumisyon-er” ng comelec, ay nagbigay sa akin ng karapatan upang magnakaw, manakit at pumatay ng tao. Kung ang pangulo ng bansa ay maaring gumawa ng mali, ng walang “repercussions”, siguro’y nararapat lamang na pakawalan na lahat ng mga kriminal na nakakulong sa ating mga piitan, at isa isang humingi ng dispensa.

estudyante said,
July 10, 2005 @ 6:37 pm

Ok, whatever you say, leatherneck.

But let me just point out some lessons we ought to learn from all these:

1. Cory Aquino did not invent People Power. Therefore as a political force, she might as well be considered as a SPENT one. As a moral force, perhaps. But even this is debatable considering the CBCP’s rather tame and middle-of-the-road position this afternoon.

2. The option of the Noli as VP-then-P has lost its potency, including the Resign scenario. The main obstacle here is GMA’s intransigence which as events would bear out is something no one can do anything about. The decisive hour has passed and has been found wanting. This option, leatherneck, is the “right cross.” Wouldn’t you agree?

3. The ball has shifted back once again to the Opposition. What it (or they?) would do amid all these is something to watch out for in the coming days.

4. The question of who would deliver the final blow is a question of who would hold the reins of power, or at least, the position of primus inter pares. I personally don’t discount the Ramos bloc as stepping in a Palace coup.

5. Hold on tight, everybody, the struggle has become a war of position instead. Just as my name would suggest, a terrible storm is upon all of us. It won’t be quickly ended and the strong winds may blow everybody’s plans to pieces.

May God help this country as we are all teetering on the brink of a civil war.
 

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THE ongoing House investigation on the “Hello, Garci” tape is so far generating not only more heat than light, but also more confusion than clarification.

Let’s get it straight. There is only one recording — a three-hour one made by agents of the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP) and leaked to members of the opposition in late March or early April. This is the “mother of all tapes” that former National Bureau of Investigation deputy director Samuel Ong presented to the media on June 10. The transcript of this recording is also available on this site.

Let’s not let Gen. Reynaldo Wycoco, the current NBI director, lead us astray with revelations that the NBI’s wiretapping equipment was once in Ong’s custody and that it was returned to the NBI with some equipment missing. That is neither here nor there. Our interviews with both opposition and intelligence sources confirm that Ong wasn’t aware of the existence of the wiretaps until earlier this year, when he heard about them from his driver, Lito Santiago, who happened to be a drinking buddy of ISAFP agent Vidal Doble. Apparently Doble had talked about the wiretaps in a drinking session with Santiago.

The confusion about the wiretaps arises from the fact that various versions of the recording have been released to the public. Copies of the original recording were sent to various members of the opposition, with whom Ong had links. Our sources say that among those who first heard the recording were members of the Estrada camp, including former Cabinet secetary Horacio “Boy” Morales. Copies of the three-hour recording were also sent to former Sen. Francisco “Kit” Tatad who gave a copy to Estrada lawyer Alan Paguia, who then proceeded to mint his own 35-minute version. The Paguia version includes only the most sensational phone conversations, with an overly dramatic narration made by the lawyer himself. Paguia had intended to release the tape himself, until prevailed upon by other members of the opposition, who wanted more credible and politically neutral persons to make the tapes public.

(There’s also a 70-minute version released by Sen. Panfilo Lacson, but that, too, was apparently copied from the original three-hour recording by the person who Fedexed it to Lacson in April as all the conversations in this version are also in the three-hour tape. You can download that version from this site.)

At first, the opposition thought of approaching Sen. Alfredo Lim, until they remembered that he was close to former Sen. Robert Barbers, whose voice is heard on the tape, pleading with Garcillano to get him more votes. Both Lim and Barbers were officers of the Manila police. Sen. Aquilino Pimentel was also approached, but he wanted an independent verification of the recording before speaking out. Even before the opposition could figure things out, however, Malacanang released yet more versions of the tape.

On June 6, Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye presented to the media two 16-minute versions of the recording (You can download those versions here.) Not only are those bootlegged versions, they have apparently been tampered with. To further confuse the issue: the version Bunye says is “original” is actually a fake, as it substitutes Comelec Commissioner Virgilio Garcillano’s voice with that of an Arroyo campaign operative, Edgardo Ruado, who is referred to there as “Gary.” Actually, Ruado’s nickname is Bong, not Gary. This was one of the things Malacañang got wrong: Gary was actually the code name of the ISAFP wiretappers for Garcillano, and they annotated their recording using this code name.

The version Bunye called “spliced” was actually more real than the “original” as it is cut from an abridged version of the master of all tapes (some oppositionists say that the version that got to Malacañang is the “Mentong” version, as it was put together by anti-Arroyo businessman Herman Tiu Laurel). But missing in Bunye’s tapes were references to Barbers, and the Palace conveniently made it appear that it was the President, not Garcillano, who had been bugged.

What makes us think that the “master of all tapes” version is authentic?

We validated the voices on the tape: former Comelec Chairman Christian Monsod and several other Comelec staff and officials identified Garcillano’s voice and validated the context of conversations. We spoke to six people, including four Comelec personnel, and they identified the other voices on the tape for us. Using them as our guide, we proceeded to identify most of the voices on the tape and we list them in “Cast of Characters.” The transcript that follows has the names we have identified.

In all, we identified 25 voices, but there are several other voices whose identity eludes us. Apart from the president, the First Gentleman, and Garcillano himself, the identified voices include those of six candidates who ran in 2004, 11 Comelec officials, three political party lawyers and supporters, as well as Garcillano’s wife Grace and secretary Ellen Peralta.

In addition, intelligence sources identified for us three of the five ISAFP agents who annotated the tape — that is, these agents, who were most likely the ones also tapping Garcilliano introduced eachof the calls by identifying who was in them and the time and date these took place. The sheer number of voices on the tape makes us believe in its authenticity. Who would go through the trouble of faking so many voices and making those voices sound so eerily authentic and recognizable?

The context of the conversations is so specific and name so many other individuals. We counted references to at least 49 other individuals, excluding those who actually spoke to Garcillano (these, too are listed in “Cast of Characters”). If the tape were faked, then it could only have been done by a group of people who had such intimate knowledge of what was going on day by day in Comelec and its field offices in Mindanao. Actually, the only one who could have probably faked it would be Garcillano himself.
There were “extraneous” conversations that had nothing to do with the voting or the count, including calls from the commissioner’s wife arranging meetings with her husband. Garcillano even called his maid Lyn, and a woman friend, who asked for a mobile-phone “load” and was always late for her appointments with the commissioner. There was even a call about the delayed delivery of congee to Garcillano, who complained that he was already very hungry. If the intent was merely to show election fraud, why bother with these “irrelevant” conversations?
Sociologist Randy David’s “ethnomethodological” approach to the conversations provide further validation. David argues that the structure of the conversations and their references to specific contexts tend to vouch for the spontaneity and authenticity of the conversations in the recording.
Independent verification confirming the authenticity of the recording was made by two internationally reputable voice experts, who identified the voices as those of the President and Garcillano by comparing the recordings and voice samples submitted to them. These experts also say the recording had not been spliced or tampered with. The problem was that these two verifications were commissioned by two oppositionists: Lacson and former senator Francisco Tatad. We checked these two agencies, however, and found that they were reputable in their countries.

Brian Lovell, whose company Uniquest Pty Limited was tapped by Lacson to examine the recording, is an associate professor at the University of Queensland, Australia and research director of the Intelligent Real-Time Imaging and Sensing Group. The Hong Kong and Australian police engage his services.

Tatad, meanwhile, had comissioned Ernst F. S. Alexanderson, president of Voice Identification Inc., a company based in New Jersey in the United States. A certified voiceprint examiner, Alexanderson, is said to have analyzed about 250 cases involving voiceprint comparison and trained about 100 law-enforcement personnel in voice identification. He is regularly tapped as a court witness in the District of Columbia, and is listed in expertpages.com, the leading Internet directory on expert witnesses and consultants.

More details about The Tapes are available in the special edition of the I Report. Check your newsstand. Downloadable PDF versions of the I Report will also soon be available on this site. But we will have to charge a modest amount for the downloads.

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gangster_roger said,
July 7, 2005 @ 6:53 pm

This must be abig operation. Who are involved and why are they doing the wiretapping? This is illegal isnt it?

Garcigwen said,
July 7, 2005 @ 7:21 pm

Our interviews with both opposition and intelligence sources confirm that Ong wasn’t aware of the existence of the wiretaps until earlier this year, when he heard about them from his driver, Lito Santiago, who happened to be a drinking buddy of ISAFP agent Vidal Doble. Apparently Doble had talked about the wiretaps in a drinking session with Santiago.

Another Scoop.
I believe the word to describe it serendepity, a word a friend of mine used to describe the origin of the tape.

noelet said,
July 7, 2005 @ 8:21 pm

Illegal ang magwiretap talaga. Me post dito tungkol dyan sa anti-wiretapping law. Pero its a bit technical.

Sa landline medjo madali magwiretap. Pero sa cellphone mahirap pero pede. Yung equipment na sinasabi ni Ong na pang wiretap ng cellphone meron daw sila. And sabi government-to-government ang pagbili ng ganyan equipment. So baket sila bumili kung bawal. Pede naman ang wiretapping kung me basbas ng korte.

Yung pagwiretap nila kay Garcilliano ay hindi authorised ng korte. so Illegal yan. pero pano naging illegal kung wala magko-complain na winiretap sila?

Ang pambihira sa garci-tapes eh wiretap information of National concern. kaya maaaring maibasura ang wiretapping law kapalit ng national concern - which is to prove that gloria has a real mandate to govern by having the wining votes last election.

floyd said,
July 7, 2005 @ 9:00 pm

PCIJ just proved in its most sublime manner the authenticity of the tapes.

mabuhay kayo!!!

mwah mwah mwah

swerty said,
July 7, 2005 @ 9:02 pm

Mister Chairman, Please issue a subpoena to these people namely, Lito Santiago, Horacio “Boy” Morales and Edgardo Ruado.

Naz said,
July 7, 2005 @ 9:11 pm

But what do you guys think abt the statement of MS.GMA awhile ago? She stated that SHE WONT BE RESIGNING HER OFFICE but ASKING THE RESIGNATION OF HER CABINET SO SHE CAN DO HER REFORMS CLEAR MINDEDLY. What do you guys think abt this? is this i a good thing?

Godbless..

username said,
July 7, 2005 @ 9:49 pm

It’s a bad thing kasi d parin sya pwedeng imbistigahan….

kawawang cabinet members d naman sila me kasalanan eh…

tsk..tsk.. tsk…

pancho said,
July 7, 2005 @ 10:53 pm

kampo ni GMA ang nag-order ng wiretap obviously. ang eengot! nabuking dahil sa isang inuman!

Chit said,
July 7, 2005 @ 10:53 pm

Gloria Said: shes working hard for the poor!
PNP/AFP : TO PROTECT THE RICH AND FAMOUS!!. FOR THE POOR?

jose roberto said,
July 7, 2005 @ 10:58 pm

huli na kasi, lumulusot pa.

sana mabasa ng karamihan ng pilipino ang mga nakasaad dito sa pcij.org para malinawagan ang mga isipan.

ipagpatuloy ang pagsasaliksik ng katotohanan.

noelet said,
July 7, 2005 @ 11:06 pm

Tingan nyo naman mga guys ha… rather than accounts herself to the ever growing question of cheating, eh ito ang sagot nya. Kahina-hinala dba?

TAONG BAYAN: Nandaya ka! Resign!

GMA: Im sorry it was a lapse in judgement.

TAONG BAYAN: Alis dyan!
DLSU: Resign!
BISHOP ROSALES: You must acount to the people.
OPPOSITION: Resign!
UP: Resign!
LEFTIST: Resign!

GMA: I did not cheat.

ALL: NANDAYA KA!

GMA: Para patunayang hindi ako nandaya ay papalitan ko ang Gabinete.

ALL: HUH?!?

And so the question remains po. Nandaya ba si GMA? Its difficult to prove kasi po wiretap ang ebidensya natin and it will not be accepted in any court. Tapos mahirap makakuha ng corroborative statement from person involved. Ika nga ni Garci himself na totong nakipagusap sya kay GMA pero hindi iyon ang kangyang sinabi na “PIPILITIN” makaabot ng 1 million ang lamang. Dinoctor lang daw yun probably ng oposisyon.

So kahit na ipa-authenticate natin ang tape at sabihin na si Gloria at Garci nga yun at walang pagdodoctor sa mga naturang tape… wala rin magagawa ang pinatatahimik na taong bayan dahil nagsisinungaling na rin lahat ng involved. Pati mga heneral.

Pag pumiyok si GMA na nandaya damay lahat ng nasa tape. Sama-sama sila. United they stand and they dont wana fall. Kaya nauwi tayo sa pagtanggal ng lahat ng gabinete.

Still without the president confirming na si Garcilliano nga ang tinawagan nya at ilan ulit at bakit sya humihiling ng 1 milyong lamang.

Pinoy OFW said,
July 8, 2005 @ 12:03 am

PATI KAYA SI BUNYE KASAMA SA MAG RERESIGN?SANA NGA!!!!

pancho said,
July 8, 2005 @ 12:05 am

tingin ko martial law na ang kasunod. desperado na e.

Bensgr8 said,
July 8, 2005 @ 3:33 am

Sa akin lang, dito sa Pinas pera-pera lang yan sa ating politics. May hakot crowd, may political favors. The oppositon got hold of such tapes because they were able to pay-off gov’t agents to sell wiretapped materials to them (done by the gov’t and with higher-ups’ blessings’) which incriminates the President. I’m sure the gov’t has incriminating evidence against the opposition likewise, but it would be illegal on their part to release these. Or, baka naman naunahan ang administration. The administration could not leak anything as the opposition may have already “purchased” said incriminating wiretapped materials against the opposition. And….there was only one tape.

habagat said,
July 8, 2005 @ 6:40 am

It is appalling to see how low the morality in the Philippines has become. Just to watch our congressman be interviewed on live TV and say that there’s nothing wrong about calling a Commissioner on Election right after election time, as what was said by Congressman Pichay. Like what Mr Ermita said when interviewed about the opposition also calling the said Commissioner,that every body is doing it. Where I am now if I call one of the interviewer just to ask how I did in the interview, and not really to ask for any favor, that would be ground for disqualification. You could call them after they have selected from the candidates and announce the appointment. In GMA’s case what could be the reason for calling Garci while the counting is going on. It may not be against the law because there is no law prohibiting such act. GMA said she called to ask Garci to protect her vote, How does a Commissioner protects a candidate’s vote? How could he possibly do that? But to make sure the lead is more than “1 M”, that is easy for an experienced operator like Garci. Whether GMA cheated or not in the last election, she lost her credebility and her moral ascendancy is the biggest issue. Even in her apology, you know that she was lying to save her skin, and to think that she is devout catholic. What had happened to the Philippines?

batong-buhay said,
July 8, 2005 @ 8:30 am

Walang ibang kalutasan sa kasalukuyang suliranin ng Pilipinas kundi ang kusang pagbibitiw ni GMA. Kahit itiwarik-tiwarik niya ang sanlibutan, wala na siyang lusot sa kaniyang malubhang pagkakasala sa sambayanang Pilipino. Ipinagkanulo niya ang kanyang tanggapan sa kagustuhang tumangang mahigpit sa kapangyarihan. Dapat niyang malaman na lahat ng bagay ay may katapusan.

AMPOG said,
July 8, 2005 @ 9:32 am

AUDIO IN AUDIO OUT! SA AUDIO NAG UMPISA ANG KONTROBERSYA BALAK DIN NILA NA DITO TAPUSIN! ANG PAGGAMIT S RADYO PARA SA “NATION ADDRESS” AY ISA NA NMANG PAGTATAGO NG KATUTUHANAN…PILIT KONG INALAM ANG KANYANG SINSERIDAD HABANG NAKADIKIT ANG TAINGA SA SPEAKER NG RADIO…ALA AKONG NAKITA…ANG MATA KASI NA SYANG SALAMIN NG KATUTUHANAN AY DI NASILAYAN…MALAMANG IKINUBLI…MAHIRAP KASING ITAGO ANG NATURAL SA TELIBISYON! MANLILINLANG…KAPATID DIN NG SINUNGALING…

cadex said,
July 8, 2005 @ 10:09 pm

isipin nyo ang logic nung wiretapped nila kay garci?bakit sa dinami dami ng taong pwede nila na iwire tapped eh siya pa?kasi siya ang kikilos sa loob ng comelec.pwede nating isipin na kasabwat ang malacanang sa pagwire tapped sa kanya at may posibilidad na may basbas ang palasyo diyan,kaya lang wala pa rin silang tiwala kaya wiretapped nila si garci.masubaybayan ang ginagawa ni garci,na baka bumaligtad si garci at magdoble kara para doble kita,pwede siyang makipagnegotiate in the middle of the canvassing sa oposisyon na iyun naman ang iniiwasan ng administrasyon.

In short posibleng inutusan ng malacanang ang ISAFP dun sa wiretapped….eh ang problema hindi si garci ang bumaligtad
ang tawag dun ay KARMA…..

jade said,
July 12, 2005 @ 10:08 pm

I was wondering why the conversations, especially the more damaging ones, are not being discussed on tv. and I mean local TV stations not just on ANC. A great majority of our people DO NOT have cable. I think a lot of people, the MASA, still have no clue as to tge gravity of the situation.
I hope someone will take the initiative to produce a special on TV that will focus mainly on the tapes and its substance.

juana said,
July 14, 2005 @ 5:22 am

i like this site…. sana hindi ito mabayaran ng jueteng money ni gma.

dugong pinoy said,
July 18, 2005 @ 2:11 pm

yes there is really one tape.and as what i commented before,it was not done for the purpose of the present situation .if my memory served me right.a week after election,coc’s coming from the south were being offered to the highest bidder.and it turned out that the present administration captured the majority of this coc’s.makunat nga kasi yun kabilang kampo.tumatawad pa eh nasa endgame situation na noon ang labanan.the wiretapped conversations were leaked out for obvious reasons that those involved in that business operations felt that there is an impending threat on them.kaya lumabas itong mga tape na ito.

dugong pinoy said,
July 18, 2005 @ 2:21 pm

tapping mobile phones can only be done through a multilink system which involves gprs.not the one that is commonly known to us.it can only be done by entities who has the capability and logistics to develop it.but at present this kind of techno is not known yet to exist commercially ,much more in our country.basta pagkakaperahan,lumalabas talaga ang pagiging improvisational nating mga Pinoy.yun crude nagagawang i customize.
 
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