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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:36 pm
Monogerism, what good is using bible verses if you don't put them in your own words? Do you know what they say or are you just regurgitating things your pastor told you.  
PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:43 pm
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Monogerism, what good is using bible verses if you don't put them in your own words? Do you know what they say or are you just regurgitating things your pastor told you.

You may not agree on my exegetical method but its clear for anyone who is willing to read and I don't "regurgitating" the words of my pastor.  

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:58 pm
Monergism Wrote:
Goddess of Wolves Rai Wrote:
Monogerism, what good is using bible verses if you don't put them in your own words? Do you know what they say or are you just regurgitating things your pastor told you.

You may not agree on my exegetical method but its clear for anyone who is willing to read and I don't "regurgitating" the words of my pastor.
Yes but I want to see if you truly know it or if you just repeat what the pastor tells you repeat.  
PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:41 pm
Goddess of Kitsune Rai Wrote:
Monergism Wrote:
Goddess of Wolves Rai Wrote:
Monogerism, what good is using bible verses if you don't put them in your own words? Do you know what they say or are you just regurgitating things your pastor told you.

You may not agree on my exegetical method but its clear for anyone who is willing to read and I don't "regurgitating" the words of my pastor.
Yes but I want to see if you truly know it or if you just repeat what the pastor tells you repeat.

I'm not sure why you keep asking me this. I said that I was not repeating my pastors words.  

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:02 am
Monergism Wrote:
Goddess of Kitsune Rai Wrote:
Monergism Wrote:
Goddess of Wolves Rai Wrote:
Monogerism, what good is using bible verses if you don't put them in your own words? Do you know what they say or are you just regurgitating things your pastor told you.

You may not agree on my exegetical method but its clear for anyone who is willing to read and I don't "regurgitating" the words of my pastor.
Yes but I want to see if you truly know it or if you just repeat what the pastor tells you repeat.

I'm not sure why you keep asking me this. I said that I was not repeating my pastors words.
Because I want to know what you think the verses mean in your own words. What good is quoting something when you can't put it in your own words?  
PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:45 pm
Back in November, we had a speaker at our chapel who talked about this. I've always had trouble figuring out how to deal with this question, but this speaker, his answer seemed to make sense.
Yes, a homosexual can be Christian, the main thing is abstinence. It would be the same for Christians not homosexual. Abstinence. Our body is the temple of God, so we must keep it pure for him right? Loving ourself we take care of God's temple, but there are temptations that can corrupt our body. So basically abstinence is one of the ways to keep our body pure.
(i hope it makese sense)  

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:20 am
Yes, I beleive homosexuals can be Christian.

However, I beleive homosexual acts is a sin. I do not beleive people are born gay. I beleive it has a lot to do with psychology and what not, I don't feel like getting into it. I don't beleive in gay marriage either~

And iceangile seems to have a very good point! :]
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:57 am
I agree with you mazuac.

People are not born gay. They have a choice. I heard/read something that homosexuality is like a tempation to some just as porn is a tempation to other. Have to resist the temptation.
 

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:46 pm
L.i.t.e.r.a.t.e Wrote:
I agree with you mazuac.

People are not born gay. They have a choice. I heard/read something that homosexuality is like a tempation to some just as porn is a tempation to other. Have to resist the temptation.

Is it a temptation to feel sexually attracted to a member of the opposite gender?
No, it's genetics.
Homosexuals (and just to clarify, I mean real homosexuals, not the lifestylers, are physically attracted to members of their own gender, and not physically attracted to members of the opposite gender.

Tell me with a straight ******** face that you think that's a choice, because I will call you a ******** idiot.
Do you want me to tear out my old Pysch textbook and cite all of the articles and studies and MRIs and gene therapy that has been conducted that has provenn that genuine homosexuals have about as much choice in sexual orientation as they do the color of their skin, or can you you just take the word of somebody who is going through ******** med school and has been studying this crap for three years?

I'll do it, I will lay your candy-a** out in a real debate if you want.  
PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:08 am
Scripture provides a better reason why those who are homosexual.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."
~ Romans 1:18-32

God gave them up, in a way of righteous judgment, as the just punishment of their idolatry. Taking off the bridle of restraining grace and leaving them to themselves, letting them alone. Whether this giving up be a positive act of God or only privative we leave to the schools to dispute: but this we are sure of that it is no new thing for God to give men up to their own hearts' lusts, to send them strong delusions, to let Satan loose upon them or to lay stumbling-blocks before them.  

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:59 pm
Monergism Wrote:
Scripture provides a better reason why those who are homosexual.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."
~ Romans 1:18-32

God gave them up, in a way of righteous judgment, as the just punishment of their idolatry. Taking off the bridle of restraining grace and leaving them to themselves, letting them alone. Whether this giving up be a positive act of God or only privative we leave to the schools to dispute: but this we are sure of that it is no new thing for God to give men up to their own hearts' lusts, to send them strong delusions, to let Satan loose upon them or to lay stumbling-blocks before them.
Forgive me Mongerism, but whenever i see you and your posts the only thing that i see and I hear is "No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!" and then the little Inquisition song in History of the World Part 1.  
PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:29 pm
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION.  

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:24 am
Zahwomen Wrote:
L.i.t.e.r.a.t.e Wrote:
I agree with you mazuac.

People are not born gay. They have a choice. I heard/read something that homosexuality is like a tempation to some just as porn is a tempation to other. Have to resist the temptation.

Is it a temptation to feel sexually attracted to a member of the opposite gender?
No, it's genetics.
Homosexuals (and just to clarify, I mean real homosexuals, not the lifestylers, are physically attracted to members of their own gender, and not physically attracted to members of the opposite gender.

Tell me with a straight ******** face that you think that's a choice, because I will call you a ******** idiot.
Do you want me to tear out my old Pysch textbook and cite all of the articles and studies and MRIs and gene therapy that has been conducted that has provenn that genuine homosexuals have about as much choice in sexual orientation as they do the color of their skin, or can you you just take the word of somebody who is going through ******** med school and has been studying this crap for three years?

I'll do it, I will lay your candy-a** out in a real debate if you want.


So the examples of homosexuals who become heterosexuals would be "lifestylers" and are "fake" homosexuals?  
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:18 pm
I know plenty of gay Christians. They are all wonderful people. Many of them even feel bad about their sexuality, but it's not their choice.

If anyone wants a good documentary on Christianity and homosexuality, check out "For the Bible Tells Me So."

Gay people can do just as much work for the kingdom of God as any straight person.
 

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:17 am
OneWithDunamis Wrote:
Zahwomen Wrote:
L.i.t.e.r.a.t.e Wrote:
I agree with you mazuac.

People are not born gay. They have a choice. I heard/read something that homosexuality is like a tempation to some just as porn is a tempation to other. Have to resist the temptation.

Is it a temptation to feel sexually attracted to a member of the opposite gender?
No, it's genetics.
Homosexuals (and just to clarify, I mean real homosexuals, not the lifestylers, are physically attracted to members of their own gender, and not physically attracted to members of the opposite gender.

Tell me with a straight ******** face that you think that's a choice, because I will call you a ******** idiot.
Do you want me to tear out my old Pysch textbook and cite all of the articles and studies and MRIs and gene therapy that has been conducted that has provenn that genuine homosexuals have about as much choice in sexual orientation as they do the color of their skin, or can you you just take the word of somebody who is going through ******** med school and has been studying this crap for three years?

I'll do it, I will lay your candy-a** out in a real debate if you want.


So the examples of homosexuals who become heterosexuals would be "lifestylers" and are "fake" homosexuals?
In psychological terms they would be called repressors. As they repress those feelings, actions, memories, etc.  
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