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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:31 am
Christ knows your heart and he doesn't want you to start praying to him "just to be on the safe side". You either accept his forgiveness or you don't. As for sitting on the fence until you have enough proof be warned that Christ said "You are like luke warm water you are neither hot nor cold and since you are like luke warm water I will spit you out of my mouth".
I plead with you to seek Christ in your heart and give up your prideful rebellion. I have seen so many atheists claim that if the rapture happened tomorrow then they would just as soon line up to take the mark of the beast before they believed that Christ is the Risen Son of God. What arrogance! You guys just have no idea what you are playing around with.
When the rapture happens God will only spend seven years after the signing of the peace treaty between AntiChrist and Israel trying to get peoples attention. The Great Tribulation will have begun and you will have a short time to choose Christ before the choice is made for you.
I know that you will chalk this up to me being arrogant but I promise you that I am coming to you in the spirit of love and concern. Christ has put this on my heart to preach this and to reach out to as many people as possible before he comes again. You don't have to join a church or start giving ten percent of your money to all these phoney people on t.v.
God loves everyone and doesn't want to see anyone perish but come to everlasting life through his Son, Christ Jesus.  
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:45 pm
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Christ knows your heart and he doesn't want you to start praying to him "just to be on the safe side". You either accept his forgiveness or you don't. As for sitting on the fence until you have enough proof be warned that Christ said "You are like luke warm water you are neither hot nor cold and since you are like luke warm water I will spit you out of my mouth".
I plead with you to seek Christ in your heart and give up your prideful rebellion. I have seen so many atheists claim that if the rapture happened tomorrow then they would just as soon line up to take the mark of the beast before they believed that Christ is the Risen Son of God. What arrogance! You guys just have no idea what you are playing around with.
When the rapture happens God will only spend seven years after the signing of the peace treaty between AntiChrist and Israel trying to get peoples attention. The Great Tribulation will have begun and you will have a short time to choose Christ before the choice is made for you.
I know that you will chalk this up to me being arrogant but I promise you that I am coming to you in the spirit of love and concern. Christ has put this on my heart to preach this and to reach out to as many people as possible before he comes again. You don't have to join a church or start giving ten percent of your money to all these phoney people on t.v.
God loves everyone and doesn't want to see anyone perish but come to everlasting life through his Son, Christ Jesus.

Those words only really mean anything if you believe already.  

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:54 pm
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If Christ appeared before you and showed you his wounds would you believe then or would you just rationalize him away?

If some dude with dripping wounds told me he was Jesus, I'd call the cops.
As would you, if you're honest with yourself.  
PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:51 pm
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If Christ appeared before you and showed you his wounds would you believe then or would you just rationalize him away?
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If he like appeared out of no where, I would believe. XD

But if someone just walked up to me saying that I wouldn't believe him because it says in the bible that many will claim to be the Christ, but all are wolves in sheeps clothing. smilies/icon_3nodding.gif

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:06 pm
Redem Wrote:
nightshade213126 Wrote:
If Christ appeared before you and showed you his wounds would you believe then or would you just rationalize him away?

If some dude with dripping wounds told me he was Jesus, I'd call the cops.
As would you, if you're honest with yourself.
Pretty much.

And honestly, the "believe just to be safe" argument has always really bothered me. Whether you're atheist or a person of faith, you should be seeking the truth, not a way to have a nice eternity. I believe what I believe because I'm conviced that it's true, not because it's safe. I'd rather someone be an atheist and truly believe what they profess rather than being a half-arsed Christian who just wants to make sure they don't go to hell if hell exists.  
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:10 pm
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Since there is NO consequence for not being an atheist when you die, what is the point of being one anyway other than to argue your point?

Being atheist isn't soemthing you CHOOSE to be. It's a belief. Could I simply ask you to stop believing in God, and in an instant, you would no longer believe in Him because you decided not to? No. It's the same way with atheists. Even if I wanted to believe in God, I would not be able to, no matter how hard I tried. Atheism is not something that you become just for the sake of arguing about it--it's what you BELIEVE and it's something you cannot change. There is not supposed to be a 'big point' to atheism. Atheists are what they are because that's what they see as right and correct. Atheism is not about living for some afterlife, but for living for today, and making the best of your life.
Saying that you don't choose your beliefs is a little silly. You don't choose your skin colour or eye colour, but you're not born believing or not believing in God.

It's true that most people woudln't be able to change their beliefs at the drop of a hat, but beliefs are generally, on some level, a conscious choice. They're often influenced by things in our lives or our personal proclivities, but there still is a great degree of choice involved.  

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:20 am
Medanite Wrote:
Eaten By Cheese Wrote:
Since there is NO consequence for not being an atheist when you die, what is the point of being one anyway other than to argue your point?

Being atheist isn't soemthing you CHOOSE to be. It's a belief. Could I simply ask you to stop believing in God, and in an instant, you would no longer believe in Him because you decided not to? No. It's the same way with atheists. Even if I wanted to believe in God, I would not be able to, no matter how hard I tried. Atheism is not something that you become just for the sake of arguing about it--it's what you BELIEVE and it's something you cannot change. There is not supposed to be a 'big point' to atheism. Atheists are what they are because that's what they see as right and correct. Atheism is not about living for some afterlife, but for living for today, and making the best of your life.
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Actually, It is a choice you make whenever you first go into your science class and listen to what they teach you and believe in it. One way or another you are persuaded to do it. If there was no outside source to give you this "information" the you wouldn't be an atheist, because you wouldn't know about a God to not believe in.

And Christianity isn't just about looking for the end. (Although I'm sure we all do) Its also about living for Jesus Day by Day.


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(This is also a reply to SinfulGuillotine)

Whether or not you believe in God is a subconscious choice, which I do not view on the same level as a conscious one--although other opinions may vary. When you first go into science class, you are subjected to someone persuading your opinion, yes, but does not the same thing happen when you first go into church?

Say you were exposed only to science, told it was correct and the right thing to believe in, or lived all your life being told there was no God, and not being given a reason to think otherwise. Would you still believe in God?

Say it was the opposite, and you were tought to believe in God, and God only. Would you still believe in science?

It all depends on the way you were brought up--either way, someone can be brainwashed. Of course, there are those who find their own way to atheism or theism, but then, there are still slight happenings that influence them, are there not?

If I had been brought up only to believe in theism, I can assure you I would be a theist. If you had been brought up to only believe in science, I find it highly unlikely that you would be a theist.

So if God exists, why doesn't he make it so that each person can choose faith or no faith, without influence that sways their decision one way or the other? Is an atheist a sinner if all they've been taught is atheism, and never had a chance to become a theist because they were never exposed to it as something they should believe in?

Beliefs are something that you decide because of what has influenced you. It's not one's choice, usually, what they will be influenced by, is it?

As for living for Jesus day by day: I think this is where atheism and theism differ very little. We're both trying to live life the best we can, are we not?
 
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:41 am
nightshade213126 Wrote:
I don't have a question as much as a comment to make. I went through a period of my life as an agnostic. I just had to have proof that God existed. You know what? He showed me he existed by laying his loving hands on my life. Christ has shown me so many times that he is with me and when my faith gets tested he makes his presence even more tangible. I can't say that I respect what you believe because I know that Christ is the living Son of God. I am not going to berate you or call you names or act nasty to you because Christ calls us to love everyone as much as we can, even those who don't believe. I feel a strong urge to pray that Christ will touch your life in such a way as to leave no doubt in your mind that he is the great lover of your soul. I am a firm believer that Christ is coming soon to rapture his church and then the Great Tribulation will begin. I am not saying this to try to scare you into coming to Christ because nothing we say on this page can do that. It is a personal chioce you will have to make. Just don't make the mistake that so many other athiests make in thinking that God is supposed to be love only. God is love! But God is also holy, holy, holy, and righteous. God loves justice and despises sin. God knew that man was seperated from him because of sin and that nothing we could do could reconcile that sin. That is why Christ came down, became human, and laid his life down for us.
It saddens me that you say that even if you wanted to believe that you would not. It says in scripture that in the last days God will harden the hearts of unbelievers to the point that they will know he is God but will be unable to change their minds. You may ask how is this fair and why would God do this if he is loving, but I ask you how many chances have you had to turn to him for forgiveness? I pray for your change of heart and ask Christ to intercede on your behalf.

I'm glad you're concerned, and thank you. And as for what it says in the scripture, if this is true, then how do you know? It says so? Words can be changed--does having them printed on paper make them true?

I have had chances, but should the quantity of them be measured, or the 'quality'? If none of them have been strong enough to give me faith, or reason for it, then what is the point of them, as all they've done is made my atheism stronger?
 

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:57 am
SinfulGuillotine Wrote:
Redem Wrote:
nightshade213126 Wrote:
If Christ appeared before you and showed you his wounds would you believe then or would you just rationalize him away?

If some dude with dripping wounds told me he was Jesus, I'd call the cops.
As would you, if you're honest with yourself.
Pretty much.

And honestly, the "believe just to be safe" argument has always really bothered me. Whether you're atheist or a person of faith, you should be seeking the truth, not a way to have a nice eternity. I believe what I believe because I'm conviced that it's true, not because it's safe. I'd rather someone be an atheist and truly believe what they profess rather than being a half-arsed Christian who just wants to make sure they don't go to hell if hell exists.

Precisely.

Yari Ber-El is a psychiatrist who has treated 470 tourists in Jerusalem who, upon arriving there, suddenly become convinced that they are biblical figures reborn--including Moses, Jesus and Abraham. Do people they tell suddenly fall to their knees believing they are in the presence of one of the biblical figures? No. They send the people to a psychiatrist.
 
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:21 pm
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Eaten By Cheese Wrote:
Atheism is not about living for some afterlife, but for living for today, and making the best of your life.

I didn't realize that was part of the official credo, but maybe I missed a memo somewhere along the line. Still, that sounds more like Absurdism to me.

Your religion is what you interprete it as, is it not? If the point of theism is to live for Jesus, and atheists do not have this reason to live, then there must be SOMETHING they live for, or else they'd all be dead.

And so, if atheists have nothing to live for but life itself (this includes the people around them, ect.) then what other cause can you think of?

I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying this seems most rational to me.

(By the way, does anyone know how to spell interprete? It's been bugging me. xD I have no Miscosoft Word on this laptop--therefore, no spellcheck.)
 

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:47 pm
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And so, if atheists have nothing to live for but life itself (this includes the people around them, ect.) then what other cause can you think of?

The biological imperative to pass on one's genes? Probably too materialistic. My point, though, is that atheism is simply a lack of belief in God; anything beyond that is just personal interpretation. The logical consequences or your atheism are not the same as the consequences of my atheism, and nether set of consequences defines the general atheist principle.

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(By the way, does anyone know how to spell interprete? It's been bugging me. xD I have no Miscosoft Word on this laptop--therefore, no spellcheck.)[/color][/align]

Interpret. Get Firefox: the latest version has a Word-like spell checker built in.  
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:27 am
I must say thank you Cheese, you answered alot of my questions and I didnt have to ask them. smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
 

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:51 pm
If you're still accepting questions, what are your thoughts on the logical fallacy within atheism? Atheism is the belief in nothing, yet if you believe in nothing, you don't believe and thus can't believe. Yet, it maintains the belief that you believe in nothing. What are your thoughts?  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 5:06 pm
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If you're still accepting questions, what are your thoughts on the logical fallacy within atheism? Atheism is the belief in nothing, yet if you believe in nothing, you don't believe and thus can't believe. Yet, it maintains the belief that you believe in nothing. What are your thoughts?

I think you're confusing atheism with nihilism. Atheism is the lack of belief in God specifically; nihilism is the assertion that there are no objective truths in general. Some atheists are also nihilists to be sure, but atheism is not intrinsically nihilistic.  

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:36 pm
Tangled Up In Blue Wrote:
Eaten By Cheese Wrote:
And so, if atheists have nothing to live for but life itself (this includes the people around them, ect.) then what other cause can you think of?

The biological imperative to pass on one's genes? Probably too materialistic. My point, though, is that atheism is simply a lack of belief in God; anything beyond that is just personal interpretation. The logical consequences or your atheism are not the same as the consequences of my atheism, and nether set of consequences defines the general atheist principle.

True. I stand corrected--I should have said that it is my personal view on atheism.

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(By the way, does anyone know how to spell interprete? It's been bugging me. xD I have no Miscosoft Word on this laptop--therefore, no spellcheck.)[/color][/align]

Interpret. Get Firefox: the latest version has a Word-like spell checker built in.

Aha! Thanks. smilies/icon_sweatdrop.gif
 
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