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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:49 am
“On this home by horror haunted--tell me truly, I implore:"

Voting in the US elections ends tomorrow. (Tuesday) I'm so happy!! I get so irritated with all the campaigning BS and just want it to stop! Of course it won't because the talking heads are going to be analyzing why candidate 'X' won and what candidate 'Y' did wrong, what can we expect for the next few years, I'll be overhearing random people rejoicing and random people b***h-moaning, blah blah blah... but at least the ads will be over and done with.

So... did anyone vote early? My wife voted early and waited 30+ minutes. I've never waited that long at the polling place on election day so I've decided to wait until Tuesday.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:41 am
This is the first year since I've been old enough to vote that I won't be, mainly because I haven't been able to get an Illinois ID and register, but also because I simply don't care. Granted, of the two choices being shoved on us for president, Obama is the one less likely to blatantly run the executive branch as a clearing house for the greed of the already unreasonably rich, but it really doesn't matter who's in the White House when the whole damn system is corrupt, especially congress (both house and senate).

The right wing vote rigging machine is in overdrive this year, and every time I load up any of the news sites I frequent (which isn't often these last few months), there's at least one article about some state official or state house or governor or whatever actively purging voter rolls or illegally changing or restricting voting times or methods or being outed as being related to or working for some campaign or another or whatever, so with as close as most of the important races are this year (most of the tea party morons who were voted in in 2010 are barely holding even in the polls this year, btw), I fully expect there's going to be more vote fraud, rigging, and outright theft this year than has been seen for quite some time. Most of the ensuing lawsuits and contestations in these close races will likely either result in the right wing extremist/republican candidate being deemed the winner or the "left" wing/democrat candidate conceding.

The political structure of the US is basically dead and people are starting to realize this, even if they have no understanding of how or even why it is. I used to say it needs to be fixed, but a broken system that has been intentionally structured to prevent, thwart, slow, and generally block most or all input from the people can not be fixed by using that same system. It needs reformation at the very least, and there are methods for self-correction built-in (most notably the ability of the states to call a constitutional convention), but 1) all of the self-correcting methods rely on other parts or levels of the government that have likewise been captured by moneyed interests and are therefore just as ineffectual at getting done what needs to be done, and 2) there's not enough momentum right now to get them moving, and by the time they reach critical mass to enforce reformation, it'll be too little too late.

And yes, I am deeply cynical and pessimistic about the political theater that passes for substance in this country.  

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:29 pm
Endrael Wrote:
This is the first year since I've been old enough to vote that I won't be, mainly because I haven't been able to get an Illinois ID and register, but also because I simply don't care. Granted, of the two choices being shoved on us for president, Obama is the one less likely to blatantly run the executive branch as a clearing house for the greed of the already unreasonably rich, but it really doesn't matter who's in the White House when the whole damn system is corrupt, especially congress (both house and senate).

The right wing vote rigging machine is in overdrive this year, and every time I load up any of the news sites I frequent (which isn't often these last few months), there's at least one article about some state official or state house or governor or whatever actively purging voter rolls or illegally changing or restricting voting times or methods or being outed as being related to or working for some campaign or another or whatever, so with as close as most of the important races are this year (most of the tea party morons who were voted in in 2010 are barely holding even in the polls this year, btw), I fully expect there's going to be more vote fraud, rigging, and outright theft this year than has been seen for quite some time. Most of the ensuing lawsuits and contestations in these close races will likely either result in the right wing extremist/republican candidate being deemed the winner or the "left" wing/democrat candidate conceding.

The political structure of the US is basically dead and people are starting to realize this, even if they have no understanding of how or even why it is. I used to say it needs to be fixed, but a broken system that has been intentionally structured to prevent, thwart, slow, and generally block most or all input from the people can not be fixed by using that same system. It needs reformation at the very least, and there are methods for self-correction built-in (most notably the ability of the states to call a constitutional convention), but 1) all of the self-correcting methods rely on other parts or levels of the government that have likewise been captured by moneyed interests and are therefore just as ineffectual at getting done what needs to be done, and 2) there's not enough momentum right now to get them moving, and by the time they reach critical mass to enforce reformation, it'll be too little too late.

And yes, I am deeply cynical and pessimistic about the political theater that passes for substance in this country.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:38 pm
Apparently Puerto Rico is voting to become a state. In the unlikely event this is ratified by congress, it's going to have a serious impact on the senate, adding two people from a dominantly non-white (culturally and historically) region.  

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:05 am
“On this home by horror haunted--tell me truly, I implore:"

It took me 45 minutes door-to-door to cast my ballot. So, about 35 minutes for the voting process itself. Given the two main choices. I'm glad the president was re-elected. As I live in a country with a 2-party state I have to work within that system, even tho I realize there are better, much better, systems. So for the next four years I won't have to deal with the stress of Romney in the White House.

On another front, Maine, Maryland and Washington are now added to the (small) list of states that protect same-sex marriages. Yay!! I'm particularly happy about Maryland because my religiously fundamentalist sister lives there and I know it will irritate her. And now I have to move to Colorado: 'Amendment 64 Passes: Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use'. That is music to my ears.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:59 pm
From what I'm able to find out so far, virtually all of the tea party extremists were roundly defeated without any room for contestation, so on the senate side, we now have:

Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts (and I'm especially pleased with this result, because she's proven to be soundly progressive and works tirelessly against the abuse of the system by the rich)

Sherrod Brown in Ohio

Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin

Chris Murphy in Connecticut

And one other I can't seem to find right now.

Which is a pick up of five seats for the senate democrats. It still doesn't give them a filibuster proof majority, so the senate is going to remain just as deadlocked as it has been the last two years.

There's also a growing number of senators hell bent on reforming (hopefully just outright abolishing) the senate filibuster, so that's something else to watch for. The republicans will block this, of course, because it will put a kabosh on their ability to deadlock doing anything productive.

On the house side, all of the republicans who made amazingly asinine pro-rape comments were defeated or booted out. Unfortunately, we still have idiots like Michele Bachmann (who barely won) and John Boehner in there, and the republicans still hold a majority, which, like the senate, means more deadlock. They did lose a lot of seats, though, which is a good thing.

State side:

Maine, Maryland, and Washington legalized gay marriage.

Colorado, as mentioned, legalized marijuana. The feds will counter this by saying federal law criminalizing marijuana supersedes state law (as they've done to all the other states that have done this), but with so many states now having legalized it in some way or another and more likely to follow suit now that a "red" state has done so, the fed level is going to give out pretty soon.

Prop 37 failed rather miserably in California, which isn't that much of a surprise. It would have required all foods containing GMO ingredients (basically everything not explicitly labeled organic) to be labeled as such, so all of the giant corporations (from biotech giants like Monsanto and Bayer to agriproduction like PepsiCo and Kraft) that effectively control the food supply came out against it, since requiring labeling in California would 1) add an unnecessary layer of complexity to labeling for a single market vs the rest of the country, and 2) ultimately mean people would stop buying products from them because, simply, people don't want to eat things that aren't natural. Before the corporate ad blitz hit, though, it had overwhelming support, which serves as a perfect case study that massive corporate spending can kill intelligent legislation.  

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:17 pm
re: Puerto Rico\'s statehood vote

Not quite as clear cut as it would seem on the surface.  
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:28 pm
First Hindu in congress is from Hawaii. She's got a lot of firsts on her resume.  

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:19 pm
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First Hindu in congress is from Hawaii. She's got a lot of firsts on her resume.


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Hawaii did great. A Hindu, a Buddhist and a Jew (sounds like the beginning of a bad joke) all elected to high positions. And the first black president was born there, and re-elected. Yay Hawaii!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:48 pm
Idly wandering around the interwebs and watching the reactions to, interpretations of, and commentaries on the election, a number of things strike me:

  1. The reaction of the right (of which there is pretty much no tract of it that is not off in the land of moon bat crazy in some way right now) was overtly and, in some cases, extremely prejudiced, if not racist. From Rush Limbaugh's "we've lost the country" comment (which he's since tried to walk back), which was mirrored to lesser degrees by the likes of Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity; Glenn Beck's utterly absurd bell ringing to buy guns and ammo and move somewhere with like minded people (on farm land you just bought, if at all possible), as if this wasn't already a standard call-to-action point from far right extremists, and as if the right weren't already actively in the process of purging people who aren't like minded; the explosion of racist comments on social network sites (an analysis done on twitter posts pointed to the deep South as the most racist, with Alabama being the worst, which shouldn't be surprising for anyone); the massive increase in death threats against Obama (death threats against the president being a federal crime), which triggers a mandatory investigation by the secret service whenever a threat is reported, which has led to the arrest of an innumerable number of unrepentant idiots; to the farce that is the petition page of the white house website, which has generated petitions from every state of people wanting to secede (I'll get to this later).

    All of this speaks of a flailing and petulantly child-like denial of the people most deeply seated in the mindset of white privilege that the world they grew up in was perfect and should never change is, in fact, changing, and never actually existed to begin with. Jon Stewart, of course, summed up this point rather nicely, but overlooked the fact that, despite a constantly growing minority population (one that is projected, in total, to finally surpass whites as the majority somewhere around 2050), practically all the people and all the families who have the wealth and influence, and thus the power, in the country are white. So while the talking heads and the every day Working Joe may lament and wail and mourn and try to rage quit, the establishment of white privilege is not going anywhere anytime soon, which is likely to lead to an increasing and systemic disconnect between the population at large and those with all the wealth and power.

  2. The secession movement. The vehemence and growing size of this desire is not unique to just the election of Obama (although it has brought out the rabidity of the right), since the same thing happened on the left with the appointment (and reappointment by election theft) of Bush Jr. Currently, Texas leads the charge for the call to secede as the state with the most signatures (which also isn't a surprise, since Texas has a habit of being loud about seceding anytime it thinks its toes are being stepped on). Calling for secession, of course, is technically an act of treason, and actually attempting it will be treated as such. This HuffPo article explains everything pretty clearly about the realities of secession, and I recommend giving it a read through at least once.

    This, I think, is a perfect demonstration of the blind hypocrisy and blatant ignorance of the right, where they project the sins of their own words and actions onto their political (or social or cultural) opponents. The democrats are blocking all progress in the house and senate! The left is inciting violence with their hate speech! Obama is a terrorist! The democrats and the left are unpatriotic! And it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and... They are worse than useless politically, and there's no possible way their willful obstructionism and regressive beliefs can be booted out soon enough.

  3. The left, specifically the mainstream left (primarily liberals). (No, my ire is not limited only to the idiocy of the republicans and the right, though they are the usual targets simply because they are so much more regressive and idiotic than the left.) They support Obama and cheer him on so blindly that they refuse absolutely to accept that he is not, regardless of his actions and beliefs prior to his political career, the liberal or the progressive that they believe him to be. Sure, he's the first black president, and I personally think it took this country too god damn long to catch up with the rest of the civilized world in having elected a non-white and/or non-male individual to the leadership post of the country, but he is not liberal or progressive in any way that will bring about a structural change to the system. Except when democrats held both the house and senate with filibuster proof majority, on every major piece of legislation and every major budget process, the democrats have ultimately given the right (the republicans) everything they were after. Obama says this is because the left doesn't push hard enough, but this isn't true. The left typically has little to zero effective representation in the process, and will therefore never have any affect on the outcome.

    Prime example #1: Single payer healthcare was immediately off the negotiation table before negotiations had even begun on the ACA, not because the left wasn't pushing hard enough (they were pushing with the weight of over half the country), but because they were never allowed to have a say in the matter.

    Prime example #2: Does anyone remember Mitt Romney's superbly asinine financial plan, that had no specifics other than slashing and burning everything? Yes, that plan. Know what? It's being considered as a viable option, which is on top of the already imminent across-the-board slash-and-burn cuts that were built into the bill that raised the debt ceiling in summer 2011 (which the republicans included as a sledgehammer to get what they wanted), said cuts coming due at the start of the year unless something is negotiated in the next month to prevent them.

    I don't see how this is liberal or progressive.

    But this a structural issue and is not, and should not be, encapsulated in the success or failure of a single individual to lead things in a given direction, especially when the only structural power that individual has is in directing how laws are enforced (which is what the executive branch does) and in using the bully pulpit to goad people to action to get congress off its a** to do the will of the people (which is always a rarity). Obama may be a damn good speaker, but he is a career politician, and that means he rarely means what you think he's saying, and being president means he's also the most heavily captured by the system of power.

    Beyond this, the president (any president) is also not responsible for the laws that get written, and if he does write them, it's a direct violation of the constitution, which specifically prohibits the executive branch from writing laws, because that is strictly the responsibility of the legislative branch (congress). Calling for the president to pass such-and-such legislation into law is the same as calling for the supreme court to do so. It is outside the jurisdiction of that branch of the government. The only extent to which the executive branch has any control over what legislation gets passed into law is by signing it or vetoing it, and this function was included in the constitution as a counterbalance to the power of congress, effectively serving the purpose of a final "This is a needed/unnecessary law for this country/state to have on the books," and even a veto can be overruled by congress with a two thirds majority (this is rare, however). All legislation, therefore, is dependent on the quality of what makes it through the bureaucratic nonsense and bullshit politicking in congress, and demanding the president write and pass the laws is both revealing of an ignorance of how the government is designed to work and an unintentional call for dictatorship.
 

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:17 pm
“On this home by horror haunted--tell me truly, I implore:"

I don't have a problem with secession as long as the states understand:
a) This is permanent. You cannot leave and re-enter as the tide ebbs and flows.
b) The United States is removing all government property before you go. It belongs to the federal government and not the individual states. Some things can be purchased to make things easier for everyone, but weapons/military stuff and anything classified goes.
c) There has to be a waiting period which allows for point 'B' to be completed and allowing residents who want to remain US citizens to move.
d) Understand you will no longer be citizens. No Social Security for you! Anything residents paid to the federal government for future benefits stays with the US. This includes the President's healthcare plan. You cannot come here as an alien and expect free healthcare.
e) You will not be able to freely cross borders. You have to put up with the same s**t as Canadians and Mexicans.
f) If you choose to make your own currency, it will not be honored here. Exchange it at the bank before you visit. If you choose to make the USD your currency that's fine.
g) If you leave, great. We're better off without you. Now we can legalize marijuana and gay marriage without your right-wing fundamentalist bullshit.

This is not a comprehensive plan, obviously, it's merely my musing on the subject. I'm sure all kinds of holes can be poked in my points. Again, just an opinion. I don't think states should be forced to stay if the residents are so extremely opposed to the federal government. Had I lived here at the time, I would have opposed the civil war and supported secession. I support the American revolution and so many other revolutions like it. This would be along the same principles without the bloodshed. I think it's an American ideal. (OK, I'm done. Tear away at it...)

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:48 pm
http://anticorruptionact.org/

URL says it all, and it's the core problem with the government, at all levels. As I posted on g+:

This should be a no-brainer issue that needs to be taken care of, but congress has so far done little to nothing to address it since the wtf stupidity of the supreme court handed down their decision in Citizen's United. If this can be solved, most of the other important issues (climate change, healthcare, environmental regulation, needless wars, energy, infrastructure, education, wages, worker safety, constitutional rights, and on and on) can be dealt with more easily and more effectively because the system won't tilt so heavily toward the benefit of the richest of the rich.  

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:22 am
Endrael Wrote:
http://anticorruptionact.org/

URL says it all, and it's the core problem with the government, at all levels. As I posted on g+:

This should be a no-brainer issue that needs to be taken care of, but congress has so far done little to nothing to address it since the wtf stupidity of the supreme court handed down their decision in Citizen's United. If this can be solved, most of the other important issues (climate change, healthcare, environmental regulation, needless wars, energy, infrastructure, education, wages, worker safety, constitutional rights, and on and on) can be dealt with more easily and more effectively because the system won't tilt so heavily toward the benefit of the richest of the rich.


“On this home by horror haunted--tell me truly, I implore:"

Signed and sent.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:00 am
Physicist Elected to Congress

We need more scientists, especially in government, and especially in congress, and especially on the scientific committees in congress. There are actually creationists on the scientific committees, ffs! Creationists! emotion_smilies/icon_facepalm.gif  

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