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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 6:45 pm
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Up until a few weeks ago, one of my nieces was going to a Christian church with her best friend. She liked the feeling of comraderie and enjoyed going. Until she noticed the topics of Hell, homosexuality, and Adam and Eve kept coming up. At this church, they taught that homosexuality is a choice and a major sin and that Hell is where everyone who is not a Christian goes. They also taught that Adam and Eve were the first and that there were no others until, I guess, the story of Noah or some such thing. No mention of the Land of Nod. So, she completely disagreed with the homosexuality thing and knowing me and my families religion, could not get her head around Hell. The Adam thing just didnt make any literal sense to her. But at this church, she was not allowed to contradict anyone, especially the Reverend. So she has stopped going and her supposed best friend doesnt talk to her as much.

So, my point is is maybe this church is doing too much indoctrination techniques without any actual or factual education. If they are making him afraid for his soul, I would be wondering what they were telling him. Has he asked you if you thought you were going to Hell? I've been asked that before by kids who are in churches that preach about Hell more than Heaven.

Whats your family's religion?


Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't ignoring the question. I was more so ignoring Gaia. Too many liars about their lives and them selves in the forums I post in.

Anyways, I am a Spiritualist. If you want more, I can pm you a link of the actual religion and not just some stupid wikipedia article.

Heh, sure, send it me it.  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:24 pm
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Up until a few weeks ago, one of my nieces was going to a Christian church with her best friend. She liked the feeling of comraderie and enjoyed going. Until she noticed the topics of Hell, homosexuality, and Adam and Eve kept coming up. At this church, they taught that homosexuality is a choice and a major sin and that Hell is where everyone who is not a Christian goes. They also taught that Adam and Eve were the first and that there were no others until, I guess, the story of Noah or some such thing. No mention of the Land of Nod. So, she completely disagreed with the homosexuality thing and knowing me and my families religion, could not get her head around Hell. The Adam thing just didnt make any literal sense to her. But at this church, she was not allowed to contradict anyone, especially the Reverend. So she has stopped going and her supposed best friend doesnt talk to her as much.

So, my point is is maybe this church is doing too much indoctrination techniques without any actual or factual education. If they are making him afraid for his soul, I would be wondering what they were telling him. Has he asked you if you thought you were going to Hell? I've been asked that before by kids who are in churches that preach about Hell more than Heaven.

Whats your family's religion?


Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't ignoring the question. I was more so ignoring Gaia. Too many liars about their lives and them selves in the forums I post in.

Anyways, I am a Spiritualist. If you want more, I can pm you a link of the actual religion and not just some stupid wikipedia article.

Heh, sure, send it me it.


www.nsac.org  

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:13 pm
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Up until a few weeks ago, one of my nieces was going to a Christian church with her best friend. She liked the feeling of comraderie and enjoyed going. Until she noticed the topics of Hell, homosexuality, and Adam and Eve kept coming up. At this church, they taught that homosexuality is a choice and a major sin and that Hell is where everyone who is not a Christian goes. They also taught that Adam and Eve were the first and that there were no others until, I guess, the story of Noah or some such thing. No mention of the Land of Nod. So, she completely disagreed with the homosexuality thing and knowing me and my families religion, could not get her head around Hell. The Adam thing just didnt make any literal sense to her. But at this church, she was not allowed to contradict anyone, especially the Reverend. So she has stopped going and her supposed best friend doesnt talk to her as much.

So, my point is is maybe this church is doing too much indoctrination techniques without any actual or factual education. If they are making him afraid for his soul, I would be wondering what they were telling him. Has he asked you if you thought you were going to Hell? I've been asked that before by kids who are in churches that preach about Hell more than Heaven.

Whats your family's religion?


Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't ignoring the question. I was more so ignoring Gaia. Too many liars about their lives and them selves in the forums I post in.

Anyways, I am a Spiritualist. If you want more, I can pm you a link of the actual religion and not just some stupid wikipedia article.

Heh, sure, send it me it.


www.nsac.org

So... how much of this is based on Christianity? I gotta say, it seems to be a mix of Christianity and Buddhism... Some of it reminds me of Samsara...  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:53 am
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:
Up until a few weeks ago, one of my nieces was going to a Christian church with her best friend. She liked the feeling of comraderie and enjoyed going. Until she noticed the topics of Hell, homosexuality, and Adam and Eve kept coming up. At this church, they taught that homosexuality is a choice and a major sin and that Hell is where everyone who is not a Christian goes. They also taught that Adam and Eve were the first and that there were no others until, I guess, the story of Noah or some such thing. No mention of the Land of Nod. So, she completely disagreed with the homosexuality thing and knowing me and my families religion, could not get her head around Hell. The Adam thing just didnt make any literal sense to her. But at this church, she was not allowed to contradict anyone, especially the Reverend. So she has stopped going and her supposed best friend doesnt talk to her as much.

So, my point is is maybe this church is doing too much indoctrination techniques without any actual or factual education. If they are making him afraid for his soul, I would be wondering what they were telling him. Has he asked you if you thought you were going to Hell? I've been asked that before by kids who are in churches that preach about Hell more than Heaven.

Whats your family's religion?


Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't ignoring the question. I was more so ignoring Gaia. Too many liars about their lives and them selves in the forums I post in.

Anyways, I am a Spiritualist. If you want more, I can pm you a link of the actual religion and not just some stupid wikipedia article.

Heh, sure, send it me it.


www.nsac.org

So... how much of this is based on Christianity? I gotta say, it seems to be a mix of Christianity and Buddhism... Some of it reminds me of Samsara...


Originally, not much actually beyond vague understandings. The Golden Rule is considered to be one of those Universal Truths but it's easier to say Golden Rule than to say the Universal Truth of blah, I suppose. Some of the founders were atheists/deists. Others were Christians so there are paralels.

During the New Age Movement, a lot of ex-Christians came pouring in, like they did with other religions, and made changes to the belief structure. Having direct links to the founders, I am actually disappointed in a lot of the changes myself. I am also disappointed that several people now adays say that the term Infinite Intelligence means God, the Baptist/Protestant one as that is where many come from, and that we should get rid of the term. Explaining to them that it literally means progression of the spirit falls on deaf ears. And I mean Baptist/Protestant because they hate the other Christian faiths and say that God will judge those others to hell.

There are Spiritualist churches that actually tell you that you have to worship Jesus or you are going to hell. Which goes against the idea of the religion that states life and death are progressive, spirit is proof of that progression, and the doorway to reformation is never closes, here or here after. Of course, that means if you want to change your ways, its up to you.

I no longer attend the meetings or any such thing because of religious politics and the too open mindedness of members or the too closed mindedness of them. By too open, I mean that they are basically ecclectics who take from every culture or religion that they come across without doing good research. Having spent time with members of other faiths or cultures, I understand how important it is to preserve how things were actually done as opposed to doing whatever you want with them.

Then you have people who say you can take a 2 to 4 hour class and become a master medium. That reeks of bullshit. I call it the 100 dollar master medium program. Raymond Buckland who has not seen a religion he hasnt claimed to be some high muckity makes such a claim.

Sorry for my long rant. There are parallels to Christianity and sadly, there are becoming more and more obvious Christian doctrines being or trying to be thrown into the mix. Not the good doctrines, but the hell and damnation, judgemental ones. I myself do judge others, but it is more on the basis of do I want to deal with their idiocy or do I just want to avoid them, but correct them when i choose to do so.  

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:09 am
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Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't ignoring the question. I was more so ignoring Gaia. Too many liars about their lives and them selves in the forums I post in.

Anyways, I am a Spiritualist. If you want more, I can pm you a link of the actual religion and not just some stupid wikipedia article.

Heh, sure, send it me it.


www.nsac.org

So... how much of this is based on Christianity? I gotta say, it seems to be a mix of Christianity and Buddhism... Some of it reminds me of Samsara...


Originally, not much actually beyond vague understandings. The Golden Rule is considered to be one of those Universal Truths but it's easier to say Golden Rule than to say the Universal Truth of blah, I suppose. Some of the founders were atheists/deists. Others were Christians so there are paralels.

During the New Age Movement, a lot of ex-Christians came pouring in, like they did with other religions, and made changes to the belief structure. Having direct links to the founders, I am actually disappointed in a lot of the changes myself. I am also disappointed that several people now adays say that the term Infinite Intelligence means God, the Baptist/Protestant one as that is where many come from, and that we should get rid of the term. Explaining to them that it literally means progression of the spirit falls on deaf ears. And I mean Baptist/Protestant because they hate the other Christian faiths and say that God will judge those others to hell.

There are Spiritualist churches that actually tell you that you have to worship Jesus or you are going to hell. Which goes against the idea of the religion that states life and death are progressive, spirit is proof of that progression, and the doorway to reformation is never closes, here or here after. Of course, that means if you want to change your ways, its up to you.

I no longer attend the meetings or any such thing because of religious politics and the too open mindedness of members or the too closed mindedness of them. By too open, I mean that they are basically ecclectics who take from every culture or religion that they come across without doing good research. Having spent time with members of other faiths or cultures, I understand how important it is to preserve how things were actually done as opposed to doing whatever you want with them.

Then you have people who say you can take a 2 to 4 hour class and become a master medium. That reeks of bullshit. I call it the 100 dollar master medium program. Raymond Buckland who has not seen a religion he hasnt claimed to be some high muckity makes such a claim.

Sorry for my long rant. There are parallels to Christianity and sadly, there are becoming more and more obvious Christian doctrines being or trying to be thrown into the mix. Not the good doctrines, but the hell and damnation, judgemental ones. I myself do judge others, but it is more on the basis of do I want to deal with their idiocy or do I just want to avoid them, but correct them when i choose to do so.

I do not mind the hell and damnation stuff, as long as it's not frequent, or at least consistently balanced out with the good stuff.

From what you have said, I have changed by mind... Spiritualism almost seems more like the American Indian's Great Spirit and all that stuff actually. The Buddhism is still there, because I know they are very spiritual people, the meditation and all that Enlightenment stuff, but, the whole one with nature, and all that kind of thing, seems to be very much like the American Indians'...religion? I am not even sure you can call it that.  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:24 am
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:


Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't ignoring the question. I was more so ignoring Gaia. Too many liars about their lives and them selves in the forums I post in.

Anyways, I am a Spiritualist. If you want more, I can pm you a link of the actual religion and not just some stupid wikipedia article.

Heh, sure, send it me it.


www.nsac.org

So... how much of this is based on Christianity? I gotta say, it seems to be a mix of Christianity and Buddhism... Some of it reminds me of Samsara...


Originally, not much actually beyond vague understandings. The Golden Rule is considered to be one of those Universal Truths but it's easier to say Golden Rule than to say the Universal Truth of blah, I suppose. Some of the founders were atheists/deists. Others were Christians so there are paralels.

During the New Age Movement, a lot of ex-Christians came pouring in, like they did with other religions, and made changes to the belief structure. Having direct links to the founders, I am actually disappointed in a lot of the changes myself. I am also disappointed that several people now adays say that the term Infinite Intelligence means God, the Baptist/Protestant one as that is where many come from, and that we should get rid of the term. Explaining to them that it literally means progression of the spirit falls on deaf ears. And I mean Baptist/Protestant because they hate the other Christian faiths and say that God will judge those others to hell.

There are Spiritualist churches that actually tell you that you have to worship Jesus or you are going to hell. Which goes against the idea of the religion that states life and death are progressive, spirit is proof of that progression, and the doorway to reformation is never closes, here or here after. Of course, that means if you want to change your ways, its up to you.

I no longer attend the meetings or any such thing because of religious politics and the too open mindedness of members or the too closed mindedness of them. By too open, I mean that they are basically ecclectics who take from every culture or religion that they come across without doing good research. Having spent time with members of other faiths or cultures, I understand how important it is to preserve how things were actually done as opposed to doing whatever you want with them.

Then you have people who say you can take a 2 to 4 hour class and become a master medium. That reeks of bullshit. I call it the 100 dollar master medium program. Raymond Buckland who has not seen a religion he hasnt claimed to be some high muckity makes such a claim.

Sorry for my long rant. There are parallels to Christianity and sadly, there are becoming more and more obvious Christian doctrines being or trying to be thrown into the mix. Not the good doctrines, but the hell and damnation, judgemental ones. I myself do judge others, but it is more on the basis of do I want to deal with their idiocy or do I just want to avoid them, but correct them when i choose to do so.

I do not mind the hell and damnation stuff, as long as it's not frequent, or at least consistently balanced out with the good stuff.

From what you have said, I have changed by mind... Spiritualism almost seems more like the American Indian's Great Spirit and all that stuff actually. The Buddhism is still there, because I know they are very spiritual people, the meditation and all that Enlightenment stuff, but, the whole one with nature, and all that kind of thing, seems to be very much like the American Indians'...religion? I am not even sure you can call it that.


Well, part of it was based on the beliefs of the tribes that are in that part of New York. Again, culture misappropriation happened during the 60's +, but the original stuff was based in part on that.

You questioning of calling the Native American beliefs a religion is a good one as each tribe and each group of each tribe had different practices. For example, the Cherokee in the Carolinas worship differently than the ones in Arizona. They all had different totems and some of them did not have totems at all. Books like Animal Speak by Andrews are so full of crap because he homogonized popular misconceptions and pretty much said, "Every tribe believes this." So tell me, when would a tribe from Washington state see an Alligator or Crocodile? Or when would a tribe from Arizona see an Orca?

Mormonism started around the same time the Fox Sisters, alledgedly, contacted the peddlar's spirits. In the same county or just a county over. A few other religions kind of started the process in those same few counties, but I forget the other names. I just find it intersting.  

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:32 am
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Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:
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www.nsac.org

So... how much of this is based on Christianity? I gotta say, it seems to be a mix of Christianity and Buddhism... Some of it reminds me of Samsara...


Originally, not much actually beyond vague understandings. The Golden Rule is considered to be one of those Universal Truths but it's easier to say Golden Rule than to say the Universal Truth of blah, I suppose. Some of the founders were atheists/deists. Others were Christians so there are paralels.

During the New Age Movement, a lot of ex-Christians came pouring in, like they did with other religions, and made changes to the belief structure. Having direct links to the founders, I am actually disappointed in a lot of the changes myself. I am also disappointed that several people now adays say that the term Infinite Intelligence means God, the Baptist/Protestant one as that is where many come from, and that we should get rid of the term. Explaining to them that it literally means progression of the spirit falls on deaf ears. And I mean Baptist/Protestant because they hate the other Christian faiths and say that God will judge those others to hell.

There are Spiritualist churches that actually tell you that you have to worship Jesus or you are going to hell. Which goes against the idea of the religion that states life and death are progressive, spirit is proof of that progression, and the doorway to reformation is never closes, here or here after. Of course, that means if you want to change your ways, its up to you.

I no longer attend the meetings or any such thing because of religious politics and the too open mindedness of members or the too closed mindedness of them. By too open, I mean that they are basically ecclectics who take from every culture or religion that they come across without doing good research. Having spent time with members of other faiths or cultures, I understand how important it is to preserve how things were actually done as opposed to doing whatever you want with them.

Then you have people who say you can take a 2 to 4 hour class and become a master medium. That reeks of bullshit. I call it the 100 dollar master medium program. Raymond Buckland who has not seen a religion he hasnt claimed to be some high muckity makes such a claim.

Sorry for my long rant. There are parallels to Christianity and sadly, there are becoming more and more obvious Christian doctrines being or trying to be thrown into the mix. Not the good doctrines, but the hell and damnation, judgemental ones. I myself do judge others, but it is more on the basis of do I want to deal with their idiocy or do I just want to avoid them, but correct them when i choose to do so.

I do not mind the hell and damnation stuff, as long as it's not frequent, or at least consistently balanced out with the good stuff.

From what you have said, I have changed by mind... Spiritualism almost seems more like the American Indian's Great Spirit and all that stuff actually. The Buddhism is still there, because I know they are very spiritual people, the meditation and all that Enlightenment stuff, but, the whole one with nature, and all that kind of thing, seems to be very much like the American Indians'...religion? I am not even sure you can call it that.


Well, part of it was based on the beliefs of the tribes that are in that part of New York. Again, culture misappropriation happened during the 60's +, but the original stuff was based in part on that.

You questioning of calling the Native American beliefs a religion is a good one as each tribe and each group of each tribe had different practices. For example, the Cherokee in the Carolinas worship differently than the ones in Arizona. They all had different totems and some of them did not have totems at all. Books like Animal Speak by Andrews are so full of crap because he homogonized popular misconceptions and pretty much said, "Every tribe believes this." So tell me, when would a tribe from Washington state see an Alligator or Crocodile? Or when would a tribe from Arizona see an Orca?

Mormonism started around the same time the Fox Sisters, alledgedly, contacted the peddlar's spirits. In the same county or just a county over. A few other religions kind of started the process in those same few counties, but I forget the other names. I just find it intersting.

Wasn't Mormonism just a product of Freemasons having a laugh? I mean come on! Reading golden plates out of a ******** hat... That had to be a joke by Joseph Smith.

And yeah, I actually I did see something on that Spiritualism website about mystery of the infinite knowledge(?) and all that stuff, and I looked up Great Spirit, and found that The Great Spirit, called Wakan Tanka, has a better translation; Great Mystery.  
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:45 am
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:
Qyp Wrote:
jaden kendam Wrote:


www.nsac.org

So... how much of this is based on Christianity? I gotta say, it seems to be a mix of Christianity and Buddhism... Some of it reminds me of Samsara...


Originally, not much actually beyond vague understandings. The Golden Rule is considered to be one of those Universal Truths but it's easier to say Golden Rule than to say the Universal Truth of blah, I suppose. Some of the founders were atheists/deists. Others were Christians so there are paralels.

During the New Age Movement, a lot of ex-Christians came pouring in, like they did with other religions, and made changes to the belief structure. Having direct links to the founders, I am actually disappointed in a lot of the changes myself. I am also disappointed that several people now adays say that the term Infinite Intelligence means God, the Baptist/Protestant one as that is where many come from, and that we should get rid of the term. Explaining to them that it literally means progression of the spirit falls on deaf ears. And I mean Baptist/Protestant because they hate the other Christian faiths and say that God will judge those others to hell.

There are Spiritualist churches that actually tell you that you have to worship Jesus or you are going to hell. Which goes against the idea of the religion that states life and death are progressive, spirit is proof of that progression, and the doorway to reformation is never closes, here or here after. Of course, that means if you want to change your ways, its up to you.

I no longer attend the meetings or any such thing because of religious politics and the too open mindedness of members or the too closed mindedness of them. By too open, I mean that they are basically ecclectics who take from every culture or religion that they come across without doing good research. Having spent time with members of other faiths or cultures, I understand how important it is to preserve how things were actually done as opposed to doing whatever you want with them.

Then you have people who say you can take a 2 to 4 hour class and become a master medium. That reeks of bullshit. I call it the 100 dollar master medium program. Raymond Buckland who has not seen a religion he hasnt claimed to be some high muckity makes such a claim.

Sorry for my long rant. There are parallels to Christianity and sadly, there are becoming more and more obvious Christian doctrines being or trying to be thrown into the mix. Not the good doctrines, but the hell and damnation, judgemental ones. I myself do judge others, but it is more on the basis of do I want to deal with their idiocy or do I just want to avoid them, but correct them when i choose to do so.

I do not mind the hell and damnation stuff, as long as it's not frequent, or at least consistently balanced out with the good stuff.

From what you have said, I have changed by mind... Spiritualism almost seems more like the American Indian's Great Spirit and all that stuff actually. The Buddhism is still there, because I know they are very spiritual people, the meditation and all that Enlightenment stuff, but, the whole one with nature, and all that kind of thing, seems to be very much like the American Indians'...religion? I am not even sure you can call it that.


Well, part of it was based on the beliefs of the tribes that are in that part of New York. Again, culture misappropriation happened during the 60's +, but the original stuff was based in part on that.

You questioning of calling the Native American beliefs a religion is a good one as each tribe and each group of each tribe had different practices. For example, the Cherokee in the Carolinas worship differently than the ones in Arizona. They all had different totems and some of them did not have totems at all. Books like Animal Speak by Andrews are so full of crap because he homogonized popular misconceptions and pretty much said, "Every tribe believes this." So tell me, when would a tribe from Washington state see an Alligator or Crocodile? Or when would a tribe from Arizona see an Orca?

Mormonism started around the same time the Fox Sisters, alledgedly, contacted the peddlar's spirits. In the same county or just a county over. A few other religions kind of started the process in those same few counties, but I forget the other names. I just find it intersting.

Wasn't Mormonism just a product of Freemasons having a laugh? I mean come on! Reading golden plates out of a ******** hat... That had to be a joke by Joseph Smith.

And yeah, I actually I did see something on that Spiritualism website about mystery of the infinite knowledge(?) and all that stuff, and I looked up Great Spirit, and found that The Great Spirit, called Wakan Tanka, has a better translation; Great Mystery.


I think Joseph was pulling the wool over peoples eyes by talking about golden plates. He may very well have been visited by an angel or spirit, but the rest of it had to be a laugh. Gold plates that only he could read or see really. Unless I am remembering too much from South Park and not enough of the other history I read on it. I think Joseph was a better person over all then Young though.

Did you know or could you see how during the New Age Movement, people interprated the Great Spirit to be YHWH?  

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:51 am
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Originally, not much actually beyond vague understandings. The Golden Rule is considered to be one of those Universal Truths but it's easier to say Golden Rule than to say the Universal Truth of blah, I suppose. Some of the founders were atheists/deists. Others were Christians so there are paralels.

During the New Age Movement, a lot of ex-Christians came pouring in, like they did with other religions, and made changes to the belief structure. Having direct links to the founders, I am actually disappointed in a lot of the changes myself. I am also disappointed that several people now adays say that the term Infinite Intelligence means God, the Baptist/Protestant one as that is where many come from, and that we should get rid of the term. Explaining to them that it literally means progression of the spirit falls on deaf ears. And I mean Baptist/Protestant because they hate the other Christian faiths and say that God will judge those others to hell.

There are Spiritualist churches that actually tell you that you have to worship Jesus or you are going to hell. Which goes against the idea of the religion that states life and death are progressive, spirit is proof of that progression, and the doorway to reformation is never closes, here or here after. Of course, that means if you want to change your ways, its up to you.

I no longer attend the meetings or any such thing because of religious politics and the too open mindedness of members or the too closed mindedness of them. By too open, I mean that they are basically ecclectics who take from every culture or religion that they come across without doing good research. Having spent time with members of other faiths or cultures, I understand how important it is to preserve how things were actually done as opposed to doing whatever you want with them.

Then you have people who say you can take a 2 to 4 hour class and become a master medium. That reeks of bullshit. I call it the 100 dollar master medium program. Raymond Buckland who has not seen a religion he hasnt claimed to be some high muckity makes such a claim.

Sorry for my long rant. There are parallels to Christianity and sadly, there are becoming more and more obvious Christian doctrines being or trying to be thrown into the mix. Not the good doctrines, but the hell and damnation, judgemental ones. I myself do judge others, but it is more on the basis of do I want to deal with their idiocy or do I just want to avoid them, but correct them when i choose to do so.

I do not mind the hell and damnation stuff, as long as it's not frequent, or at least consistently balanced out with the good stuff.

From what you have said, I have changed by mind... Spiritualism almost seems more like the American Indian's Great Spirit and all that stuff actually. The Buddhism is still there, because I know they are very spiritual people, the meditation and all that Enlightenment stuff, but, the whole one with nature, and all that kind of thing, seems to be very much like the American Indians'...religion? I am not even sure you can call it that.


Well, part of it was based on the beliefs of the tribes that are in that part of New York. Again, culture misappropriation happened during the 60's +, but the original stuff was based in part on that.

You questioning of calling the Native American beliefs a religion is a good one as each tribe and each group of each tribe had different practices. For example, the Cherokee in the Carolinas worship differently than the ones in Arizona. They all had different totems and some of them did not have totems at all. Books like Animal Speak by Andrews are so full of crap because he homogonized popular misconceptions and pretty much said, "Every tribe believes this." So tell me, when would a tribe from Washington state see an Alligator or Crocodile? Or when would a tribe from Arizona see an Orca?

Mormonism started around the same time the Fox Sisters, alledgedly, contacted the peddlar's spirits. In the same county or just a county over. A few other religions kind of started the process in those same few counties, but I forget the other names. I just find it intersting.

Wasn't Mormonism just a product of Freemasons having a laugh? I mean come on! Reading golden plates out of a ******** hat... That had to be a joke by Joseph Smith.

And yeah, I actually I did see something on that Spiritualism website about mystery of the infinite knowledge(?) and all that stuff, and I looked up Great Spirit, and found that The Great Spirit, called Wakan Tanka, has a better translation; Great Mystery.


I think Joseph was pulling the wool over peoples eyes by talking about golden plates. He may very well have been visited by an angel or spirit, but the rest of it had to be a laugh. Gold plates that only he could read or see really. Unless I am remembering too much from South Park and not enough of the other history I read on it. I think Joseph was a better person over all then Young though.

Did you know or could you see how during the New Age Movement, people interprated the Great Spirit to be YHWH?

Yes, since in some ways, there is similarities. But that could just be those common things like "creator of all things", "is all around us, and in all things" and stuff like that, with a "One God". But other then that, I actually don't know how similar they actually are... since... from what I have read about the Great Spirit, not all the tribes saw it as a humanoid. One tribe did called it "Old Man". Which could be actually connected Odin's appearance as an Old Man... though that also happens to be what Zeus does as well.

Crazy.  
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