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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:49 am
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a more acurate analogy would be someone who makes $300 and has to pay $500 in rent. it is not frivalious spending. it is needs. there is no way around it the debt cealing is to pay for are bills on things we have already uses, like an electricity bill would be or a water bill, you pay for it after the fact but you have already uses the servious thare fore it is money we have already spent.


If I may, I want to address this more. After more intensive reseach, your analogy given is not really accurate. Mine is a little bit more. You see, there is a Federal Budget, and the Government in fact DOES have enough for the essential needs. But what drives the Spending over the Revenue, is the Discretionary/Optional Spending. Clothes may be a need, but who really spends THAT much for clothes?(I'm talking one person here). So basically if we only spend what is mandatory, the Government would be able to afford EVERY SINGLE bit of it! But again, the stuff that is OPTIONAL is putting us over the top. So many people say, "Oh don't cut education anymore" or "Stop cutting medicare/medicaid", well, to me I would LOVE to see some cuts ONLY in the Optional spending department. You're not really cutting things if it isn't mandatory spending that you're cutting.

so are you saying education and healthcare are not mandatory? if you wanna make cuts to anything it should be the grossly over sized military America had. Like i said, we have already used the services we need to pay for in the debt sealing. now we need to pay for them, or would you have america go bankrupt? If you wanna stop borrowing the government needs to make more money. first by putting tarrifs on out sourced jobs then by eliminating tax cuts for the top 1%. then maybe your argument would be valid. till then the facts are simple. we need to pay for the goods we have already used, point blank the end.


You didn't read what I said. There are 2 kinds of Spending. Mandatory and Optional. Everything has a mandatory amount that is on the budget. Mostly everything has some optional spending too. NEVER DID I SAY that Education or healthcare wasn't mandatory. You are confusing yourself! Yes, I would love to drastically cut Military Spending. I would like to keep some Defense. ITS ABSURD to even THINK that the government needs to print MORE money! WHY do you think prices are going UP?!?!?? Because the Federal Reserve is printing money which is DEVALUING the U.S. Dollar!! That's NOT the way to do it. How do we do it the RIGHT way, you ask? CUT SPENDING. We NEEEEEEEEEEEED a SURPLUS for once!! Forget balancing the budget with equal tax increases/cuts and spending increases/decreases. We need to have a SURPLUS in order to pay off the debt. That's the only way. We need to STOP devaluing the dollar, and STOP being close-minded on how to do things.


hey before you advocate spending cuts you should do two things. ! go look in a history book and find out what got us out of the Great Depression. because it sure as hell was not spending cuts, thats what put us in it. comp[are hoover to FDR and educate your self on what works.
2 look at the first things the gov is going to cut. Education and Healthcare, not military. and that is thanks to REPUBLICANS


You really can't compare the two. Yeah Hoover had excessive regulation that caused the Depression, but FDR prolonged it. Just like now! Bush may have started it during the last two years of his presidency (note: Democrats were in power), but Obama (and the Dems) are Prolonging it!!
Well, now, the politicians will just have to open their eyes and see we cannot win. It's endless. And we need to get out of all these countries. Why do they want to cut education and healthcare in the first place, you ask? Well, the Constitution doesn't give the USFG ANY jurisdiction over Education. So all powers NOT delegated to the USFG goes to the States. They probably want to cut healthcare because ObamaCare is destructive and we have a Free-Market, yet we are universalizing things? Really? That's un-American. Yeah sure, Romney has flip-flopped, but he said it may work for Massachusetts, but he said that doesn't mean it'll work for the whole US, because Mass. is MUCH smaller than the US in population.


1st. FDR's new deal did not prolong the depression. its what got us out. lack of gov spending is what put us in ti.
2. Romney doesn't just flip flop he is untrust worthy. he totally changes what he says at every turn. even if he wasn't a republican that is not someone i would want to lead America.
3. look at the trends. Republican presidents historically = higher debt.
4. your still ignoring the fact that this is about paying for services we have already used. it is about paying back.
5 OBAMA CARE IS ROMANY CARE!!!! its about getting people who already go to the Er with out insurance health care because they get the services anyway. If preventive health care was available to everyone than it would save the tax money for other stuff. Every other big player nation has it but America.  
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:14 pm
littl3_r3d Wrote:
General shadow1912 Wrote:
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General shadow1912 Wrote:
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so are you saying education and healthcare are not mandatory? if you wanna make cuts to anything it should be the grossly over sized military America had. Like i said, we have already used the services we need to pay for in the debt sealing. now we need to pay for them, or would you have america go bankrupt? If you wanna stop borrowing the government needs to make more money. first by putting tarrifs on out sourced jobs then by eliminating tax cuts for the top 1%. then maybe your argument would be valid. till then the facts are simple. we need to pay for the goods we have already used, point blank the end.


You didn't read what I said. There are 2 kinds of Spending. Mandatory and Optional. Everything has a mandatory amount that is on the budget. Mostly everything has some optional spending too. NEVER DID I SAY that Education or healthcare wasn't mandatory. You are confusing yourself! Yes, I would love to drastically cut Military Spending. I would like to keep some Defense. ITS ABSURD to even THINK that the government needs to print MORE money! WHY do you think prices are going UP?!?!?? Because the Federal Reserve is printing money which is DEVALUING the U.S. Dollar!! That's NOT the way to do it. How do we do it the RIGHT way, you ask? CUT SPENDING. We NEEEEEEEEEEEED a SURPLUS for once!! Forget balancing the budget with equal tax increases/cuts and spending increases/decreases. We need to have a SURPLUS in order to pay off the debt. That's the only way. We need to STOP devaluing the dollar, and STOP being close-minded on how to do things.


hey before you advocate spending cuts you should do two things. ! go look in a history book and find out what got us out of the Great Depression. because it sure as hell was not spending cuts, thats what put us in it. comp[are hoover to FDR and educate your self on what works.
2 look at the first things the gov is going to cut. Education and Healthcare, not military. and that is thanks to REPUBLICANS


You really can't compare the two. Yeah Hoover had excessive regulation that caused the Depression, but FDR prolonged it. Just like now! Bush may have started it during the last two years of his presidency (note: Democrats were in power), but Obama (and the Dems) are Prolonging it!!
Well, now, the politicians will just have to open their eyes and see we cannot win. It's endless. And we need to get out of all these countries. Why do they want to cut education and healthcare in the first place, you ask? Well, the Constitution doesn't give the USFG ANY jurisdiction over Education. So all powers NOT delegated to the USFG goes to the States. They probably want to cut healthcare because ObamaCare is destructive and we have a Free-Market, yet we are universalizing things? Really? That's un-American. Yeah sure, Romney has flip-flopped, but he said it may work for Massachusetts, but he said that doesn't mean it'll work for the whole US, because Mass. is MUCH smaller than the US in population.


1st. FDR's new deal did not prolong the depression. its what got us out. lack of gov spending is what put us in ti.
2. Romney doesn't just flip flop he is untrust worthy. he totally changes what he says at every turn. even if he wasn't a republican that is not someone i would want to lead America.
3. look at the trends. Republican presidents historically = higher debt.
4. your still ignoring the fact that this is about paying for services we have already used. it is about paying back.
5 OBAMA CARE IS ROMANY CARE!!!! its about getting people who already go to the Er with out insurance health care because they get the services anyway. If preventive health care was available to everyone than it would save the tax money for other stuff. Every other big player nation has it but America.


We are borrowing from other countries. The spending is over the revenue. And that gap is called the deficit, basically what is driving the debt. I beg to differ on "lack of govt spending put us in it". Small Govt Spending is good! What put us in the Depression was TOO MUCH Govt. Regulation. TOO MUCH red tape, like their is now! And about your "statistic", that depends on who you're talking about. Roosevelt and Truman(both Dem.) had the HIGHEST Debt to GDP Percentage!(120% of GDP) where as Carter had 32%. Bush, Jr. was at 80% at his last year, whereas Nixon was at 32-33%. So your statistic is obsolete. And Obama, in 2009, had 92-93%. So, although he did inherit a high percentage of debt, he in fact increased it more. And Yes, ObamaCare is based on RomneyCare. Like I said, Romney said that isn't the best path for America as a whole. Also, Obama has flip-flopped a couple time too…  

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:56 pm
General shadow1912 Wrote:
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so are you saying education and healthcare are not mandatory? if you wanna make cuts to anything it should be the grossly over sized military America had. Like i said, we have already used the services we need to pay for in the debt sealing. now we need to pay for them, or would you have america go bankrupt? If you wanna stop borrowing the government needs to make more money. first by putting tarrifs on out sourced jobs then by eliminating tax cuts for the top 1%. then maybe your argument would be valid. till then the facts are simple. we need to pay for the goods we have already used, point blank the end.


You didn't read what I said. There are 2 kinds of Spending. Mandatory and Optional. Everything has a mandatory amount that is on the budget. Mostly everything has some optional spending too. NEVER DID I SAY that Education or healthcare wasn't mandatory. You are confusing yourself! Yes, I would love to drastically cut Military Spending. I would like to keep some Defense. ITS ABSURD to even THINK that the government needs to print MORE money! WHY do you think prices are going UP?!?!?? Because the Federal Reserve is printing money which is DEVALUING the U.S. Dollar!! That's NOT the way to do it. How do we do it the RIGHT way, you ask? CUT SPENDING. We NEEEEEEEEEEEED a SURPLUS for once!! Forget balancing the budget with equal tax increases/cuts and spending increases/decreases. We need to have a SURPLUS in order to pay off the debt. That's the only way. We need to STOP devaluing the dollar, and STOP being close-minded on how to do things.


hey before you advocate spending cuts you should do two things. ! go look in a history book and find out what got us out of the Great Depression. because it sure as hell was not spending cuts, thats what put us in it. comp[are hoover to FDR and educate your self on what works.
2 look at the first things the gov is going to cut. Education and Healthcare, not military. and that is thanks to REPUBLICANS


You really can't compare the two. Yeah Hoover had excessive regulation that caused the Depression, but FDR prolonged it. Just like now! Bush may have started it during the last two years of his presidency (note: Democrats were in power), but Obama (and the Dems) are Prolonging it!!
Well, now, the politicians will just have to open their eyes and see we cannot win. It's endless. And we need to get out of all these countries. Why do they want to cut education and healthcare in the first place, you ask? Well, the Constitution doesn't give the USFG ANY jurisdiction over Education. So all powers NOT delegated to the USFG goes to the States. They probably want to cut healthcare because ObamaCare is destructive and we have a Free-Market, yet we are universalizing things? Really? That's un-American. Yeah sure, Romney has flip-flopped, but he said it may work for Massachusetts, but he said that doesn't mean it'll work for the whole US, because Mass. is MUCH smaller than the US in population.


1st. FDR's new deal did not prolong the depression. its what got us out. lack of gov spending is what put us in ti.
2. Romney doesn't just flip flop he is untrust worthy. he totally changes what he says at every turn. even if he wasn't a republican that is not someone i would want to lead America.
3. look at the trends. Republican presidents historically = higher debt.
4. your still ignoring the fact that this is about paying for services we have already used. it is about paying back.
5 OBAMA CARE IS ROMANY CARE!!!! its about getting people who already go to the Er with out insurance health care because they get the services anyway. If preventive health care was available to everyone than it would save the tax money for other stuff. Every other big player nation has it but America.


We are borrowing from other countries. The spending is over the revenue. And that gap is called the deficit, basically what is driving the debt. I beg to differ on "lack of govt spending put us in it". Small Govt Spending is good! What put us in the Depression was TOO MUCH Govt. Regulation. TOO MUCH red tape, like their is now! And about your "statistic", that depends on who you're talking about. Roosevelt and Truman(both Dem.) had the HIGHEST Debt to GDP Percentage!(120% of GDP) where as Carter had 32%. Bush, Jr. was at 80% at his last year, whereas Nixon was at 32-33%. So your statistic is obsolete. And Obama, in 2009, had 92-93%. So, although he did inherit a high percentage of debt, he in fact increased it more. And Yes, ObamaCare is based on RomneyCare. Like I said, Romney said that isn't the best path for America as a whole. Also, Obama has flip-flopped a couple time too…

Okay so here is What I've read so far.... It started about Ceiling cap for debt then exploded into which candidate is better.... which happens. But what neither Party is willing to recognize is for them to get something they want they have to COMPROMISE! Like with the OBAMA CARE where a Republican Judge ruled in favor of Obama care but modified it slightly so it would conform better to the constitution. Now what we need to do is quit buying needless things in many different areas but keep spending in key areas such as law enforcement, Education, and other state or federal areas where jobs are funded by the government, providing more jobs for people. then a larger need should be placed on American made objects, yes they can be more expensive but in some cases quality beats quantity and we need to get investors to find items where people would go over quality over quantity, while still maintaining fair prices. Now I believe it doesn't matter what "he said" or "she said" as long as people are working together to make my beloved country a better place and if political party's aren't willing to agree on any compromises then where the hell is this country going to go? No where.  
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:16 am
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General shadow1912 Wrote:
littl3_r3d Wrote:
General shadow1912 Wrote:
littl3_r3d Wrote:


hey before you advocate spending cuts you should do two things. ! go look in a history book and find out what got us out of the Great Depression. because it sure as hell was not spending cuts, thats what put us in it. comp[are hoover to FDR and educate your self on what works.
2 look at the first things the gov is going to cut. Education and Healthcare, not military. and that is thanks to REPUBLICANS


You really can't compare the two. Yeah Hoover had excessive regulation that caused the Depression, but FDR prolonged it. Just like now! Bush may have started it during the last two years of his presidency (note: Democrats were in power), but Obama (and the Dems) are Prolonging it!!
Well, now, the politicians will just have to open their eyes and see we cannot win. It's endless. And we need to get out of all these countries. Why do they want to cut education and healthcare in the first place, you ask? Well, the Constitution doesn't give the USFG ANY jurisdiction over Education. So all powers NOT delegated to the USFG goes to the States. They probably want to cut healthcare because ObamaCare is destructive and we have a Free-Market, yet we are universalizing things? Really? That's un-American. Yeah sure, Romney has flip-flopped, but he said it may work for Massachusetts, but he said that doesn't mean it'll work for the whole US, because Mass. is MUCH smaller than the US in population.


1st. FDR's new deal did not prolong the depression. its what got us out. lack of gov spending is what put us in ti.
2. Romney doesn't just flip flop he is untrust worthy. he totally changes what he says at every turn. even if he wasn't a republican that is not someone i would want to lead America.
3. look at the trends. Republican presidents historically = higher debt.
4. your still ignoring the fact that this is about paying for services we have already used. it is about paying back.
5 OBAMA CARE IS ROMANY CARE!!!! its about getting people who already go to the Er with out insurance health care because they get the services anyway. If preventive health care was available to everyone than it would save the tax money for other stuff. Every other big player nation has it but America.


We are borrowing from other countries. The spending is over the revenue. And that gap is called the deficit, basically what is driving the debt. I beg to differ on "lack of govt spending put us in it". Small Govt Spending is good! What put us in the Depression was TOO MUCH Govt. Regulation. TOO MUCH red tape, like their is now! And about your "statistic", that depends on who you're talking about. Roosevelt and Truman(both Dem.) had the HIGHEST Debt to GDP Percentage!(120% of GDP) where as Carter had 32%. Bush, Jr. was at 80% at his last year, whereas Nixon was at 32-33%. So your statistic is obsolete. And Obama, in 2009, had 92-93%. So, although he did inherit a high percentage of debt, he in fact increased it more. And Yes, ObamaCare is based on RomneyCare. Like I said, Romney said that isn't the best path for America as a whole. Also, Obama has flip-flopped a couple time too…

Okay so here is What I've read so far.... It started about Ceiling cap for debt then exploded into which candidate is better.... which happens. But what neither Party is willing to recognize is for them to get something they want they have to COMPROMISE! Like with the OBAMA CARE where a Republican Judge ruled in favor of Obama care but modified it slightly so it would conform better to the constitution. Now what we need to do is quit buying needless things in many different areas but keep spending in key areas such as law enforcement, Education, and other state or federal areas where jobs are funded by the government, providing more jobs for people. then a larger need should be placed on American made objects, yes they can be more expensive but in some cases quality beats quantity and we need to get investors to find items where people would go over quality over quantity, while still maintaining fair prices. Now I believe it doesn't matter what "he said" or "she said" as long as people are working together to make my beloved country a better place and if political party's aren't willing to agree on any compromises then where the hell is this country going to go? No where.

for once i totally agree with you  

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:34 am
General Thomas Pryor Wrote:
General shadow1912 Wrote:
littl3_r3d Wrote:
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hey before you advocate spending cuts you should do two things. ! go look in a history book and find out what got us out of the Great Depression. because it sure as hell was not spending cuts, thats what put us in it. comp[are hoover to FDR and educate your self on what works.
2 look at the first things the gov is going to cut. Education and Healthcare, not military. and that is thanks to REPUBLICANS


You really can't compare the two. Yeah Hoover had excessive regulation that caused the Depression, but FDR prolonged it. Just like now! Bush may have started it during the last two years of his presidency (note: Democrats were in power), but Obama (and the Dems) are Prolonging it!!
Well, now, the politicians will just have to open their eyes and see we cannot win. It's endless. And we need to get out of all these countries. Why do they want to cut education and healthcare in the first place, you ask? Well, the Constitution doesn't give the USFG ANY jurisdiction over Education. So all powers NOT delegated to the USFG goes to the States. They probably want to cut healthcare because ObamaCare is destructive and we have a Free-Market, yet we are universalizing things? Really? That's un-American. Yeah sure, Romney has flip-flopped, but he said it may work for Massachusetts, but he said that doesn't mean it'll work for the whole US, because Mass. is MUCH smaller than the US in population.


1st. FDR's new deal did not prolong the depression. its what got us out. lack of gov spending is what put us in ti.
2. Romney doesn't just flip flop he is untrust worthy. he totally changes what he says at every turn. even if he wasn't a republican that is not someone i would want to lead America.
3. look at the trends. Republican presidents historically = higher debt.
4. your still ignoring the fact that this is about paying for services we have already used. it is about paying back.
5 OBAMA CARE IS ROMANY CARE!!!! its about getting people who already go to the Er with out insurance health care because they get the services anyway. If preventive health care was available to everyone than it would save the tax money for other stuff. Every other big player nation has it but America.


We are borrowing from other countries. The spending is over the revenue. And that gap is called the deficit, basically what is driving the debt. I beg to differ on "lack of govt spending put us in it". Small Govt Spending is good! What put us in the Depression was TOO MUCH Govt. Regulation. TOO MUCH red tape, like their is now! And about your "statistic", that depends on who you're talking about. Roosevelt and Truman(both Dem.) had the HIGHEST Debt to GDP Percentage!(120% of GDP) where as Carter had 32%. Bush, Jr. was at 80% at his last year, whereas Nixon was at 32-33%. So your statistic is obsolete. And Obama, in 2009, had 92-93%. So, although he did inherit a high percentage of debt, he in fact increased it more. And Yes, ObamaCare is based on RomneyCare. Like I said, Romney said that isn't the best path for America as a whole. Also, Obama has flip-flopped a couple time too…

Okay so here is What I've read so far.... It started about Ceiling cap for debt then exploded into which candidate is better.... which happens. But what neither Party is willing to recognize is for them to get something they want they have to COMPROMISE! Like with the OBAMA CARE where a Republican Judge ruled in favor of Obama care but modified it slightly so it would conform better to the constitution. Now what we need to do is quit buying needless things in many different areas but keep spending in key areas such as law enforcement, Education, and other state or federal areas where jobs are funded by the government, providing more jobs for people. then a larger need should be placed on American made objects, yes they can be more expensive but in some cases quality beats quantity and we need to get investors to find items where people would go over quality over quantity, while still maintaining fair prices. Now I believe it doesn't matter what "he said" or "she said" as long as people are working together to make my beloved country a better place and if political party's aren't willing to agree on any compromises then where the hell is this country going to go? No where.


The Government doesn't create jobs, People do! But yes, Any nation needs a certain number of government employees in order to function. As a nation, we undoubtedly need government employees for such things as national defense, police protection, and administering our court system (though I do question our founders’ wisdom in relegating the delivery of first-class mail to government employees). But it is a fallacy of the Keynesian legacy that government can reduce unemployment by priming the pump with spending programs. Government needs to reduce spending and taxes in order to leave income in the hands of individuals who earned it and who can spend it much more efficiently than the government can.  
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:19 pm
General shadow1912 Wrote:
General Thomas Pryor Wrote:
General shadow1912 Wrote:
littl3_r3d Wrote:
General shadow1912 Wrote:
littl3_r3d Wrote:


hey before you advocate spending cuts you should do two things. ! go look in a history book and find out what got us out of the Great Depression. because it sure as hell was not spending cuts, thats what put us in it. comp[are hoover to FDR and educate your self on what works.
2 look at the first things the gov is going to cut. Education and Healthcare, not military. and that is thanks to REPUBLICANS


You really can't compare the two. Yeah Hoover had excessive regulation that caused the Depression, but FDR prolonged it. Just like now! Bush may have started it during the last two years of his presidency (note: Democrats were in power), but Obama (and the Dems) are Prolonging it!!
Well, now, the politicians will just have to open their eyes and see we cannot win. It's endless. And we need to get out of all these countries. Why do they want to cut education and healthcare in the first place, you ask? Well, the Constitution doesn't give the USFG ANY jurisdiction over Education. So all powers NOT delegated to the USFG goes to the States. They probably want to cut healthcare because ObamaCare is destructive and we have a Free-Market, yet we are universalizing things? Really? That's un-American. Yeah sure, Romney has flip-flopped, but he said it may work for Massachusetts, but he said that doesn't mean it'll work for the whole US, because Mass. is MUCH smaller than the US in population.


1st. FDR's new deal did not prolong the depression. its what got us out. lack of gov spending is what put us in ti.
2. Romney doesn't just flip flop he is untrust worthy. he totally changes what he says at every turn. even if he wasn't a republican that is not someone i would want to lead America.
3. look at the trends. Republican presidents historically = higher debt.
4. your still ignoring the fact that this is about paying for services we have already used. it is about paying back.
5 OBAMA CARE IS ROMANY CARE!!!! its about getting people who already go to the Er with out insurance health care because they get the services anyway. If preventive health care was available to everyone than it would save the tax money for other stuff. Every other big player nation has it but America.


We are borrowing from other countries. The spending is over the revenue. And that gap is called the deficit, basically what is driving the debt. I beg to differ on "lack of govt spending put us in it". Small Govt Spending is good! What put us in the Depression was TOO MUCH Govt. Regulation. TOO MUCH red tape, like their is now! And about your "statistic", that depends on who you're talking about. Roosevelt and Truman(both Dem.) had the HIGHEST Debt to GDP Percentage!(120% of GDP) where as Carter had 32%. Bush, Jr. was at 80% at his last year, whereas Nixon was at 32-33%. So your statistic is obsolete. And Obama, in 2009, had 92-93%. So, although he did inherit a high percentage of debt, he in fact increased it more. And Yes, ObamaCare is based on RomneyCare. Like I said, Romney said that isn't the best path for America as a whole. Also, Obama has flip-flopped a couple time too…

Okay so here is What I've read so far.... It started about Ceiling cap for debt then exploded into which candidate is better.... which happens. But what neither Party is willing to recognize is for them to get something they want they have to COMPROMISE! Like with the OBAMA CARE where a Republican Judge ruled in favor of Obama care but modified it slightly so it would conform better to the constitution. Now what we need to do is quit buying needless things in many different areas but keep spending in key areas such as law enforcement, Education, and other state or federal areas where jobs are funded by the government, providing more jobs for people. then a larger need should be placed on American made objects, yes they can be more expensive but in some cases quality beats quantity and we need to get investors to find items where people would go over quality over quantity, while still maintaining fair prices. Now I believe it doesn't matter what "he said" or "she said" as long as people are working together to make my beloved country a better place and if political party's aren't willing to agree on any compromises then where the hell is this country going to go? No where.


The Government doesn't create jobs, People do! But yes, Any nation needs a certain number of government employees in order to function. As a nation, we undoubtedly need government employees for such things as national defense, police protection, and administering our court system (though I do question our founders’ wisdom in relegating the delivery of first-class mail to government employees). But it is a fallacy of the Keynesian legacy that government can reduce unemployment by priming the pump with spending programs. Government needs to reduce spending and taxes in order to leave income in the hands of individuals who earned it and who can spend it much more efficiently than the government can.


I never said its a solution, and I'm not just talking about the police force or judicial members, but I'm saying it would help if more money was going for schools, to hire more teachers, road repairs and building, while hiring outside companies, giving more money to build prisons that will also provide money to prison guards while also giving more states the ability to put and keep criminals in jails because that is becoming a major problem in our country, and providing money to health care and to medical services such as nursing homes, hospitals and maybe even rehab and psychiatric wards that can provide jobs to more nurses and doctors, while giving money to our own people and not sending money over seas, while its not a permanent solution it will help for the short run until we can figure out a plan for the long run.

So no the government might not create jobs, but they can definitely help.  

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:43 pm
General Thomas Pryor Wrote:
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1st. FDR's new deal did not prolong the depression. its what got us out. lack of gov spending is what put us in ti.
2. Romney doesn't just flip flop he is untrust worthy. he totally changes what he says at every turn. even if he wasn't a republican that is not someone i would want to lead America.
3. look at the trends. Republican presidents historically = higher debt.
4. your still ignoring the fact that this is about paying for services we have already used. it is about paying back.
5 OBAMA CARE IS ROMANY CARE!!!! its about getting people who already go to the Er with out insurance health care because they get the services anyway. If preventive health care was available to everyone than it would save the tax money for other stuff. Every other big player nation has it but America.


We are borrowing from other countries. The spending is over the revenue. And that gap is called the deficit, basically what is driving the debt. I beg to differ on "lack of govt spending put us in it". Small Govt Spending is good! What put us in the Depression was TOO MUCH Govt. Regulation. TOO MUCH red tape, like their is now! And about your "statistic", that depends on who you're talking about. Roosevelt and Truman(both Dem.) had the HIGHEST Debt to GDP Percentage!(120% of GDP) where as Carter had 32%. Bush, Jr. was at 80% at his last year, whereas Nixon was at 32-33%. So your statistic is obsolete. And Obama, in 2009, had 92-93%. So, although he did inherit a high percentage of debt, he in fact increased it more. And Yes, ObamaCare is based on RomneyCare. Like I said, Romney said that isn't the best path for America as a whole. Also, Obama has flip-flopped a couple time too…

Okay so here is What I've read so far.... It started about Ceiling cap for debt then exploded into which candidate is better.... which happens. But what neither Party is willing to recognize is for them to get something they want they have to COMPROMISE! Like with the OBAMA CARE where a Republican Judge ruled in favor of Obama care but modified it slightly so it would conform better to the constitution. Now what we need to do is quit buying needless things in many different areas but keep spending in key areas such as law enforcement, Education, and other state or federal areas where jobs are funded by the government, providing more jobs for people. then a larger need should be placed on American made objects, yes they can be more expensive but in some cases quality beats quantity and we need to get investors to find items where people would go over quality over quantity, while still maintaining fair prices. Now I believe it doesn't matter what "he said" or "she said" as long as people are working together to make my beloved country a better place and if political party's aren't willing to agree on any compromises then where the hell is this country going to go? No where.


The Government doesn't create jobs, People do! But yes, Any nation needs a certain number of government employees in order to function. As a nation, we undoubtedly need government employees for such things as national defense, police protection, and administering our court system (though I do question our founders’ wisdom in relegating the delivery of first-class mail to government employees). But it is a fallacy of the Keynesian legacy that government can reduce unemployment by priming the pump with spending programs. Government needs to reduce spending and taxes in order to leave income in the hands of individuals who earned it and who can spend it much more efficiently than the government can.


I never said its a solution, and I'm not just talking about the police force or judicial members, but I'm saying it would help if more money was going for schools, to hire more teachers, road repairs and building, while hiring outside companies, giving more money to build prisons that will also provide money to prison guards while also giving more states the ability to put and keep criminals in jails because that is becoming a major problem in our country, and providing money to health care and to medical services such as nursing homes, hospitals and maybe even rehab and psychiatric wards that can provide jobs to more nurses and doctors, while giving money to our own people and not sending money over seas, while its not a permanent solution it will help for the short run until we can figure out a plan for the long run.

So no the government might not create jobs, but they can definitely help.

Yes, they can help. They can be beneficial. I do agree that we don't need to be sending money overseas when we can use all the help we can get over here.  
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:01 pm
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General Thomas Pryor Wrote:
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1st. FDR's new deal did not prolong the depression. its what got us out. lack of gov spending is what put us in ti.
2. Romney doesn't just flip flop he is untrust worthy. he totally changes what he says at every turn. even if he wasn't a republican that is not someone i would want to lead America.
3. look at the trends. Republican presidents historically = higher debt.
4. your still ignoring the fact that this is about paying for services we have already used. it is about paying back.
5 OBAMA CARE IS ROMANY CARE!!!! its about getting people who already go to the Er with out insurance health care because they get the services anyway. If preventive health care was available to everyone than it would save the tax money for other stuff. Every other big player nation has it but America.


We are borrowing from other countries. The spending is over the revenue. And that gap is called the deficit, basically what is driving the debt. I beg to differ on "lack of govt spending put us in it". Small Govt Spending is good! What put us in the Depression was TOO MUCH Govt. Regulation. TOO MUCH red tape, like their is now! And about your "statistic", that depends on who you're talking about. Roosevelt and Truman(both Dem.) had the HIGHEST Debt to GDP Percentage!(120% of GDP) where as Carter had 32%. Bush, Jr. was at 80% at his last year, whereas Nixon was at 32-33%. So your statistic is obsolete. And Obama, in 2009, had 92-93%. So, although he did inherit a high percentage of debt, he in fact increased it more. And Yes, ObamaCare is based on RomneyCare. Like I said, Romney said that isn't the best path for America as a whole. Also, Obama has flip-flopped a couple time too…

Okay so here is What I've read so far.... It started about Ceiling cap for debt then exploded into which candidate is better.... which happens. But what neither Party is willing to recognize is for them to get something they want they have to COMPROMISE! Like with the OBAMA CARE where a Republican Judge ruled in favor of Obama care but modified it slightly so it would conform better to the constitution. Now what we need to do is quit buying needless things in many different areas but keep spending in key areas such as law enforcement, Education, and other state or federal areas where jobs are funded by the government, providing more jobs for people. then a larger need should be placed on American made objects, yes they can be more expensive but in some cases quality beats quantity and we need to get investors to find items where people would go over quality over quantity, while still maintaining fair prices. Now I believe it doesn't matter what "he said" or "she said" as long as people are working together to make my beloved country a better place and if political party's aren't willing to agree on any compromises then where the hell is this country going to go? No where.


The Government doesn't create jobs, People do! But yes, Any nation needs a certain number of government employees in order to function. As a nation, we undoubtedly need government employees for such things as national defense, police protection, and administering our court system (though I do question our founders’ wisdom in relegating the delivery of first-class mail to government employees). But it is a fallacy of the Keynesian legacy that government can reduce unemployment by priming the pump with spending programs. Government needs to reduce spending and taxes in order to leave income in the hands of individuals who earned it and who can spend it much more efficiently than the government can.


I never said its a solution, and I'm not just talking about the police force or judicial members, but I'm saying it would help if more money was going for schools, to hire more teachers, road repairs and building, while hiring outside companies, giving more money to build prisons that will also provide money to prison guards while also giving more states the ability to put and keep criminals in jails because that is becoming a major problem in our country, and providing money to health care and to medical services such as nursing homes, hospitals and maybe even rehab and psychiatric wards that can provide jobs to more nurses and doctors, while giving money to our own people and not sending money over seas, while its not a permanent solution it will help for the short run until we can figure out a plan for the long run.

So no the government might not create jobs, but they can definitely help.

Yes, they can help. They can be beneficial. I do agree that we don't need to be sending money overseas when we can use all the help we can get over here.


Okay so back to the main topic. I personally don't think a debt cap would be the best thing. But spending in our own economy, especially Federal and State projects would be a great idea. So a debt increase would seem to be the way to go to create short term jobs then try to bring back more factories to the U.S. and try to become a Industry booming nation again, but this is just coming from a 16 year old.  

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:06 pm
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Okay so here is What I've read so far.... It started about Ceiling cap for debt then exploded into which candidate is better.... which happens. But what neither Party is willing to recognize is for them to get something they want they have to COMPROMISE! Like with the OBAMA CARE where a Republican Judge ruled in favor of Obama care but modified it slightly so it would conform better to the constitution. Now what we need to do is quit buying needless things in many different areas but keep spending in key areas such as law enforcement, Education, and other state or federal areas where jobs are funded by the government, providing more jobs for people. then a larger need should be placed on American made objects, yes they can be more expensive but in some cases quality beats quantity and we need to get investors to find items where people would go over quality over quantity, while still maintaining fair prices. Now I believe it doesn't matter what "he said" or "she said" as long as people are working together to make my beloved country a better place and if political party's aren't willing to agree on any compromises then where the hell is this country going to go? No where.


The Government doesn't create jobs, People do! But yes, Any nation needs a certain number of government employees in order to function. As a nation, we undoubtedly need government employees for such things as national defense, police protection, and administering our court system (though I do question our founders’ wisdom in relegating the delivery of first-class mail to government employees). But it is a fallacy of the Keynesian legacy that government can reduce unemployment by priming the pump with spending programs. Government needs to reduce spending and taxes in order to leave income in the hands of individuals who earned it and who can spend it much more efficiently than the government can.


I never said its a solution, and I'm not just talking about the police force or judicial members, but I'm saying it would help if more money was going for schools, to hire more teachers, road repairs and building, while hiring outside companies, giving more money to build prisons that will also provide money to prison guards while also giving more states the ability to put and keep criminals in jails because that is becoming a major problem in our country, and providing money to health care and to medical services such as nursing homes, hospitals and maybe even rehab and psychiatric wards that can provide jobs to more nurses and doctors, while giving money to our own people and not sending money over seas, while its not a permanent solution it will help for the short run until we can figure out a plan for the long run.

So no the government might not create jobs, but they can definitely help.

Yes, they can help. They can be beneficial. I do agree that we don't need to be sending money overseas when we can use all the help we can get over here.


Okay so back to the main topic. I personally don't think a debt cap would be the best thing. But spending in our own economy, especially Federal and State projects would be a great idea. So a debt increase would seem to be the way to go to create short term jobs then try to bring back more factories to the U.S. and try to become a Industry booming, but this is just coming from a 16 year old.


Here's the key, we need Long-Term jobs to revitalize the economy. There's an 8.2% unemployment, There's been a credit downgrade and it just gets worse. People are looking for a stable job that they can rely on to pay bills and what not. Although they are Jobs, we would be better off with long term ones.  
PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:10 pm
General shadow1912 Wrote:
General Thomas Pryor Wrote:
General shadow1912 Wrote:
General Thomas Pryor Wrote:
General shadow1912 Wrote:
General Thomas Pryor Wrote:

Okay so here is What I've read so far.... It started about Ceiling cap for debt then exploded into which candidate is better.... which happens. But what neither Party is willing to recognize is for them to get something they want they have to COMPROMISE! Like with the OBAMA CARE where a Republican Judge ruled in favor of Obama care but modified it slightly so it would conform better to the constitution. Now what we need to do is quit buying needless things in many different areas but keep spending in key areas such as law enforcement, Education, and other state or federal areas where jobs are funded by the government, providing more jobs for people. then a larger need should be placed on American made objects, yes they can be more expensive but in some cases quality beats quantity and we need to get investors to find items where people would go over quality over quantity, while still maintaining fair prices. Now I believe it doesn't matter what "he said" or "she said" as long as people are working together to make my beloved country a better place and if political party's aren't willing to agree on any compromises then where the hell is this country going to go? No where.


The Government doesn't create jobs, People do! But yes, Any nation needs a certain number of government employees in order to function. As a nation, we undoubtedly need government employees for such things as national defense, police protection, and administering our court system (though I do question our founders’ wisdom in relegating the delivery of first-class mail to government employees). But it is a fallacy of the Keynesian legacy that government can reduce unemployment by priming the pump with spending programs. Government needs to reduce spending and taxes in order to leave income in the hands of individuals who earned it and who can spend it much more efficiently than the government can.


I never said its a solution, and I'm not just talking about the police force or judicial members, but I'm saying it would help if more money was going for schools, to hire more teachers, road repairs and building, while hiring outside companies, giving more money to build prisons that will also provide money to prison guards while also giving more states the ability to put and keep criminals in jails because that is becoming a major problem in our country, and providing money to health care and to medical services such as nursing homes, hospitals and maybe even rehab and psychiatric wards that can provide jobs to more nurses and doctors, while giving money to our own people and not sending money over seas, while its not a permanent solution it will help for the short run until we can figure out a plan for the long run.

So no the government might not create jobs, but they can definitely help.

Yes, they can help. They can be beneficial. I do agree that we don't need to be sending money overseas when we can use all the help we can get over here.


Okay so back to the main topic. I personally don't think a debt cap would be the best thing. But spending in our own economy, especially Federal and State projects would be a great idea. So a debt increase would seem to be the way to go to create short term jobs then try to bring back more factories to the U.S. and try to become a Industry booming, but this is just coming from a 16 year old.


Here's the key, we need Long-Term jobs to revitalize the economy. There's an 8.2% unemployment, There's been a credit downgrade and it just gets worse. People are looking for a stable job that they can rely on to pay bills and what not. Although they are Jobs, we would be better off with long term ones.


Well yes I understand that, but that's why we would try to get the bigger industries back here, a hard job to do, but at the same time it can go back to construction, a hard and tedious job but a job at that.  

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