zOMYTHBUSTERS: Studying inside the Shadows! Need Busters!

[Red Kutai]

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

1) Armor Rewriting: A Rage Rank 1 Armor Buff overwrites a Rage Rank 4 Armor Buff. This can apply to any instance, anywhere in zOMG. As far as has been said, it's a visual glitch.

Rock Armor stats

My CL: 10.0
Ghost Lantern CL: 10.5
Damage lost w/ Rock Armor RR4:


-The range of damage was anywhere from a minimum of around 50 to a maximum of 75 or so
Damage lost w/ Rock Armor RR1 rewrite:


-The range of damage was still the same; between 50 and 75

Would this be enough data to call the myth busted, or should i get some data from Sphere and Pot Lid as well? It would be difficult to test those 2, since i would have to keep track of how many total attacks were deflected/reflected out of the times i was hit.

This experiment has been run previously, but if you'd really like to run it again, I can give you one tip: the tentacle attacks from the walls of the Hive do damage based solely on your maximum Health, making the damage values absolutely predictable. Thus, the protection offered by any given armor buff can be measured with a reasonable degree of precision by comparing the damage one takes normally (a constant) against the damage taken while armored. Because the damage isn't random, there is no minimum sample-size necessary to achieve confidence in the result.

Of course, this doesn't help for Pot Lid, Improbability Sphere, or Teflon Spray, because as you imply they only vary in Reflection/Deflection rates. However, Teflon Spray can be tested pretty easily both visually (because it grants Dodge) and practically (because it has no Reflection at RR1 - a single Reflection proves it isn't overwritten). The remaining two are obviously more troublesome, but I suspect people will continue to make the claim until suitable evidence is found - and perhaps even thereafter... whee

EDIT: Similar claims are made about Iron Will, as well; of course that one is impossible to test without either a better understanding of how Willpower affects status conditions, or a confirmation of its low-Rage Deflection rates (which may well be nonexistent, making testing even less certain). Because it would require a great deal more data to address, though, I'd suggest leaving it itself for the time being... sweatdrop

[Mage The Red]

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

1) Armor Rewriting: A Rage Rank 1 Armor Buff overwrites a Rage Rank 4 Armor Buff. This can apply to any instance, anywhere in zOMG. As far as has been said, it's a visual glitch.

Rock Armor stats

My CL: 10.0
Ghost Lantern CL: 10.5
Damage lost w/ Rock Armor RR4:


-The range of damage was anywhere from a minimum of around 50 to a maximum of 75 or so
Damage lost w/ Rock Armor RR1 rewrite:


-The range of damage was still the same; between 50 and 75

Would this be enough data to call the myth busted, or should i get some data from Sphere and Pot Lid as well? It would be difficult to test those 2, since i would have to keep track of how many total attacks were deflected/reflected out of the times i was hit.

From what Red has stated, the experiment has been done, but I'd say to keep on if ye choose. From the data representation, I'm calling it busted. Thanks for the awesome work, regardless, Kenny!

[Miu Kurosaki]

Nice thread 4laugh

[ryry Kenny_McGroot ryry]

Brooklyn Rage Mage

no problem 3nodding
this gives me something to do on zOMG! other than get my Lawn Mower Coliseum badges sweatdrop

[Mage The Red]

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

no problem 3nodding
this gives me something to do on zOMG! other than get my Lawn Mower Coliseum badges sweatdrop

Agreed. If you ever want to work on them together, let me know! I love doing Coli, man.

[ryry Kenny_McGroot ryry]

Red Kutai

EDIT: Similar claims are made about Iron Will, as well; of course that one is impossible to test without either a better understanding of how Willpower affects status conditions, or a confirmation of its low-Rage Deflection rates (which may well be nonexistent, making testing even less certain). Because it would require a great deal more data to address, though, I'd suggest leaving it itself for the time being... sweatdrop

yeah, that would be a little difficult to test, because we would have to look at just more than the stats your character info says.

however, if we were to test it at some point, i think the Flying Giftboxes would be the best candidates; you are pretty much guaranteed to get scared every time without iron will, but the strength isnt as big as the Robofish or the Masks in otami, where you can still get scared even with rr4 iron will, so it would be easier to test it out on them.

[ryry Kenny_McGroot ryry]

Brooklyn Rage Mage

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

no problem 3nodding
this gives me something to do on zOMG! other than get my Lawn Mower Coliseum badges sweatdrop

Agreed. If you ever want to work on them together, let me know! I love doing Coli, man.

i've been thinking about the Impossible difficulty- what if we had a tanker like in the Green Rooms in DMS? it would certainly make it easier for the rest of the crew, since nobody can steal aggro from the monsters if there's a tanker 3nodding
EDIT: and i think the main reason nobody can get past round 5 is because, to my knowledge, no one has been able to defeat the Big Dogs. I think it's similar to the Night Frights in the first few rounds, because you dont officially get to the next round until all the Frights spawned in that round are dead.

[Mage The Red]

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

no problem 3nodding
this gives me something to do on zOMG! other than get my Lawn Mower Coliseum badges sweatdrop

Agreed. If you ever want to work on them together, let me know! I love doing Coli, man.

i've been thinking about the Impossible difficulty- what if we had a tanker like in the Green Rooms in DMS? it would certainly make it easier for the rest of the crew, since nobody can steal aggro from the monsters if there's a tanker 3nodding
EDIT: and i think the main reason nobody can get past round 5 is because, to my knowledge, no one has been able to defeat the Big Dogs. I think it's similar to the Night Frights in the first few rounds, because you dont officially get to the next round until all the Frights spawned in that round are dead.

That may be true, but last I checked, Big Dogs keep coming in swarms of 3 after a while. We could try the Tanker idea, and some of the other things we've learned from DMS, but it all comes down to whether we can efficiently kill fast enough or not.

[ryry Kenny_McGroot ryry]

Brooklyn Rage Mage

That may be true, but last I checked, Big Dogs keep coming in swarms of 3 after a while. We could try the Tanker idea, and some of the other things we've learned from DMS, but it all comes down to whether we can efficiently kill fast enough or not.

would you be up for making a crew right now and trying the tanker idea? if we cant find any tankers, i can do it. i've been able to do most GR runs in 3-4 hours if i'm the tank with very few wipes, if any 3nodding

[Mage The Red]

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

That may be true, but last I checked, Big Dogs keep coming in swarms of 3 after a while. We could try the Tanker idea, and some of the other things we've learned from DMS, but it all comes down to whether we can efficiently kill fast enough or not.

would you be up for making a crew right now and trying the tanker idea? if we cant find any tankers, i can do it. i've been able to do most GR runs in 3-4 hours if i'm the tank with very few wipes, if any 3nodding

If I wasn't so bloody tired and in need of a nap before I go to work tonight, I'd totally be up for a run. Sadly, life isn't so kind. sweatdrop

Monday would be my best bet to do a run, since I'm off Monday through Wednesday this week.

[ryry Kenny_McGroot ryry]

Brooklyn Rage Mage

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

That may be true, but last I checked, Big Dogs keep coming in swarms of 3 after a while. We could try the Tanker idea, and some of the other things we've learned from DMS, but it all comes down to whether we can efficiently kill fast enough or not.

would you be up for making a crew right now and trying the tanker idea? if we cant find any tankers, i can do it. i've been able to do most GR runs in 3-4 hours if i'm the tank with very few wipes, if any 3nodding

If I wasn't so bloody tired and in need of a nap before I go to work tonight, I'd totally be up for a run. Sadly, life isn't so kind. sweatdrop

Monday would be my best bet to do a run, since I'm off Monday through Wednesday this week.

yeah, i'm pretty tired, too sweatdrop

oh, btw, you'll be happy to hear that the Bloodlust quest glitch is possibly fixed- you can now get it in your PDA. but we'll have to wait and see if finishing the quest will register:

[Mage The Red]

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

FINALLY. ******** YEAH. Been waiting for 5 months!

[ryry Kenny_McGroot ryry]

Brooklyn Rage Mage

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

FINALLY. ******** YEAH. Been waiting for 5 months!

i've been waiting 3 months, as of today sweatdrop
/3 month anniversary of first bloodlust kill heart

[Mage The Red]

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

FINALLY. ******** YEAH. Been waiting for 5 months!

i've been waiting 3 months, as of today sweatdrop
/3 month anniversary of first bloodlust kill heart

Lol, awesome, bud. Been waiting ever since I finished the 5th quest back in November.

[azphyxxxiate]

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

ryry Kenny_McCormick ryry

Brooklyn Rage Mage

That may be true, but last I checked, Big Dogs keep coming in swarms of 3 after a while. We could try the Tanker idea, and some of the other things we've learned from DMS, but it all comes down to whether we can efficiently kill fast enough or not.

would you be up for making a crew right now and trying the tanker idea? if we cant find any tankers, i can do it. i've been able to do most GR runs in 3-4 hours if i'm the tank with very few wipes, if any 3nodding

If I wasn't so bloody tired and in need of a nap before I go to work tonight, I'd totally be up for a run. Sadly, life isn't so kind. sweatdrop

Monday would be my best bet to do a run, since I'm off Monday through Wednesday this week.

yeah, i'm pretty tired, too sweatdrop

oh, btw, you'll be happy to hear that the Bloodlust quest glitch is possibly fixed- you can now get it in your PDA. but we'll have to wait and see if finishing the quest will register:

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