Why do people DMS without having the proper rings at CL10?

[curtneko]

happyprincesslol

curtneko

happyprincesslol

curtneko

happyprincesslol

curtneko

you can't even handle taco bell, you p***y

funny choice of words, im pretty sure out of the two of us you're the real p***y here.
cause you're a cat... get it? okay, no...

i'm strictly talking about vaginas

of course you are.
i'd be surprised if you weren't talking about vaginas.

hicks watch chicks with dicks do tricks for kicks

i want to hit you with a brick like the chick did to the d**k.
idek, i can't rhyme

what kind of disgusting pornography do you watch

[Gemenice]

happyprincesslol

What about getting new rings? I still hold to it that it'd just be easier for them to PS to get the rings.

I LOVE how changeable this is. In my first post I said they will get new rings eventually. To that, your point was, they won't have enough orbs. Once again, I said that they will get multiple high rings - which answers the question of having enough orbs... and once again, you're unhappy with that.

There is saying in my country "The ones who want, are looking for solutions, the ones that don't, are looking for complains."

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I don't. I just insist that lower CLs who are DMSing with say, newer tanks do. And I never take both, nor do I think it's necessary to take both no matter a person's CL. But I do think that lower CLs should take at least one when DMSing, preferably meat imo.

Are you over 11? NONE is important. Poor ring space.

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No, I'm being totally serious (!). Cant you tell?

Well, if you are, it means you're in the 'middle age' of DMS. Funny thing is, everyone goes through that stage. I remember myself, some time ago, thinking the same. Then at one point I realized how stupid I was. And I still look back at those thoughts with a little smile on my face. There is nothing nicer than laughing at your own stupidity. Like when I thought having buffs on first two slots is a stupid decision.

Those are the things people do and/or believe at beginning and later, you realize how idiotic it is. I would never ever put my buffs anywhere else + ditch the last ring missing, if person is over 11.2.

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Then they should bring bandage. No room for diagnose anywhere in YM unless you're speeding or tanking.

Diagnose in speed? Interesting. Not sure if preffered. And I still don't see a point. Why couldn't they have diagnose if they are just self-raging as it is the same with bandage?

I forbid people do use ANY healing on anyone when I'm tanker, works nicely, and they never have to touch bandage, only if they are a bit sluggish and their buff drops and there are no monsters around.

I see the same use with diagnose. What just because people don't like the color? Loki would be disappointed.

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Well then, youre lucky for not encountering people like that.

I'm pretty sure I can sprout this line you so commonly like sprouting: you missed the point I made.

Just because they have two buffs doesn't mean that's enough. Just because they're now CL10.2 thanks to your kindness wont make their lack of buffs any less a hassle to work with next time. Neither will their ring set. You let them keep diagnose? Cool for you, the next time they want a crew? Still a hassle for them and their next crew; theyre still gunna get the diagnose is a wasted ring space speech. Still lacking buffs? Still gunna be a hassle. Still missing adren/knife? Still going to bother another crew. Still carrying aoes because 1 aoe doesn't make a difference? Still a hassle. And maybe not to you but to someone else who may not have the time and patience you do to waste.

Yes... but you're forgetting one nice little feature zOMG! has. Swapping . They won't have a problem, swapping their rings slowly, if they can't level them up.

Wow. I don't remember a crew that required knife in the last month or so.

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One day at PS with double orb will get them their buffs, so why don't they just do that.

Are you joking now? Taking my mule in PS. For... about four hours was it last time? I think so. I got around ten rings. From the ten two were new. Cat and fire rain. Not to mention PS isn't mentally challenging. It's boring and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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but it's not the CL that matters it's the person(!)

How is the taste of your own medicine? And it's not the person that matters. it's the logic they have or can use. One of the reasons I asked about how long do you play, because at some points you don't need logic, you just need to learn if you can't use that. Kind of like a dog.

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see what i did there? either way, i never said i carried both i said i just suggest that lower CLs bring meat or bandage and since i prefer meat i said meat.

As I remember it, you were bitching about people helping others get higher even though they don't have needed rings. Which, as I said before with good tanker and DPS? There are no rings like that.

There is difference between having custom ring for the area, the ones people believe are the ones you HAVE to have, and using your brain, and finding different that can work in their place until you get them.

I seriously can't imagine anyone in DCUO going "no, you can't be in our crew, because you chose different skill tree for troller than the usual one is!"

[Yomishi Akira]

Today I was in a crew full of lvl 10,2. Seriously, there was just one 11+ and he was a tank.

Well, my own lvl is just 10, my TC is 7 000 maybe. Because of people like you, I couldn't find a crew even though I have meat and all buffs on lvl 10 and I play with my girlfriend's account and she is lvl 12. So I actually know how to play.

So I became a leader and I took all low levels like me and one tank. One of us didn't have all buffs and there was just only one possible way how to take her with us, she carried iron instead of a tank (who got a coy).

And do you know what? We were great, like, yeah, it wasn't THAT fast because of damage, but it was okay. No one died, we killed 2 NFs and some bigdogs, we did maybe 10 rooms, then we disbanded because some people had to go.

As you can see, impatient people like you are only one handicap to level up and playing game for people like me.

[happyprincesslol]

curtneko

happyprincesslol

curtneko

happyprincesslol

curtneko

i'm strictly talking about vaginas

of course you are.
i'd be surprised if you weren't talking about vaginas.

hicks watch chicks with dicks do tricks for kicks

i want to hit you with a brick like the chick did to the d**k.
idek, i can't rhyme

what kind of disgusting pornography do you watch

the best kind of disgusting pornography.

[happyprincesslol]

Yomishi Akira

Today I was in a crew full of lvl 10,2. Seriously, there was just one 11+ and he was a tank.

Well, my own lvl is just 10, my TC is 7 000 maybe. Because of people like you, I couldn't find a crew even though I have meat and all buffs on lvl 10 and I play with my girlfriend's account and she is lvl 12. So I actually know how to play.

So I became a leader and I took all low levels like me and one tank. One of us didn't have all buffs and there was just only one possible way how to take her with us, she carried iron instead of a tank (who got a coy).

And do you know what? We were great, like, yeah, it wasn't THAT fast because of damage, but it was okay. No one died, we killed 2 NFs and some bigdogs, we did maybe 10 rooms, then we disbanded because some people had to go.

As you can see, impatient people like you are only one handicap to level up and playing game for people like me.

The tank is not required to take iron so idek why you mentioned that; although, I do know that if you allow a CL10 to take iron over someone higher iron will fail even more than it normally does. Not enough to get you killed(unless youre kneeling) but enough to cause a hassle when there clearly doesnt NEED to be one.

There is a difference between being a newb in general and a newb to DMS.

I just want to put that out there. DMS is a new area, being new to DMS isn't a bad thing, it's only a bad thing when you're clearly not ready to DMS which is obvious when a person is missing so many rings. And I don't mean having the wrong ring set, I mean having nothing but s**t attacks and like, hardly any buffs. That person isn't a newb to DMS, they're just a newb in general to zOMG and shouldnt even be DMSing. Obviously youre misinterpreting about who I'm complaining about.

Great, you have the buffs and a reasonable set? Fine, who cares if youre Cl10? Not me. You're not a hassle since you have enough rings that people wont have to make exceptions and you dont have any aoes/diagnose you can't use (and idec that you can work around those because the attacks are s**t and the hits are worse than solar) so.

[happyprincesslol]

Gemenice

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I think I was complaining that they don't have enough rings/orbs to level up those rings so they should hop on back to PS to get them leveled up.

And you said something about how DMS drops high rings you already have giving you orbs.

Then I said something about how PS still drops rings/orbs faster that you can level up more in a short time than by doing DMS. Plus there's a higher chance in PS that you get new rings because you can get more rings PSing than DMSing anyway, despite repeats.

Wait, I'm still waiting on the argument against meat for lower CLs with new tanks. Did you already give it? I'm too lazy to check.

Anyway, I said my reasons as to why I prefer meat to bandage for lower CLs in certain cases. Obviously not all tanks are bloody fantastic like you(!).

Then something about how you thought I was serious. (!) can convey sarcasm. Hurr. Yeah I'm totally serious.

Diagnose isn't preferred in speed, wish is, but I'm not talking about speed.

Swapping takes too long, PS is still a faster way to get all the rings fast. Plus you missed the point: just because they can SLOWLY level up their rings via DMS isn't enough. it still takes too long. Still a hassle.

Then they can go ******** smob if they want rings instead of PS. If they can't smob they can't DMS. SImple as that. But smob isnt mentally challenging either! Yeah, well, neither is DMS until you hit higher areas of DMS or find a crew willing to test new s**t with you.

Buffs make assigning easier and no one wants to pick up someone else's slack by carrying extra buffs. Hack/mantis/etc... make your hits harder so theyre preferred and make you less of a drag when crewing. Yes, you can bring balloon, yes, your attacks will be ******** s**t. No, they aren't "required" they're just better for that area, and that's using your brain.

Why bother with someone who's missing so much? That is my main question. They aren't ready to DMS with so many rings missing, yes, they can slowly level up, but why? Yes, they can play with crap rings until they get something better but why do they even DMS when they can go do something that can GET THEM SOMETHING BETTER QUICKER?

[Avaline Fitheach]

Not everybody has every ring. Dens is the one general buff I don't have because of how elusive it seems to like being, for example, and I'm missing Turtle and several of the useless-in-DMS-anyway rings like Fire Rain and Gumshoe.

The lack of Dens and Turtle usually isn't a problem for me, since I always try to let crew leaders know before buff checks that I can't take Dens, and I've never elected to tank (heal tank or otherwise).

[happyprincesslol]

Agent Sawbones

Not everybody has every ring. Dens is the one general buff I don't have because of how elusive it seems to like being, for example, and I'm missing Turtle and several of the useless-in-DMS-anyway rings like Fire Rain and Gumshoe.

The lack of Dens and Turtle usually isn't a problem for me, since I always try to let crew leaders know before buff checks that I can't take Dens, and I've never elected to tank (heal tank or otherwise).

Yes but having only 2 CL10 buffs is a hassle that couldve been avoided if they would just work harder for their buffs. Is it a big deal? No, but it is still a hassle.

Oh, accidentally salvaged a ring? Fine. No biggy.
Haven't got one buff? No one cares.

Missing a s**t ton of buffs and some decent attack rings. Yeah, s**t just got personal.

Maybe I should just screen shot every s**t ring set newbs have when asking for a crew outside the gate since my definition of newbs seem to differ radically from everyone elses.

[Avaline Fitheach]

happyprincesslol

Agent Sawbones

Not everybody has every ring. Dens is the one general buff I don't have because of how elusive it seems to like being, for example, and I'm missing Turtle and several of the useless-in-DMS-anyway rings like Fire Rain and Gumshoe.

The lack of Dens and Turtle usually isn't a problem for me, since I always try to let crew leaders know before buff checks that I can't take Dens, and I've never elected to tank (heal tank or otherwise).

Yes but having only 2 CL10 buffs is a hassle that couldve been avoided if they would just work harder for their buffs. Is it a big deal? No, but it is still a hassle.

Oh, accidentally salvaged a ring? Fine. No biggy.
Haven't got one buff? No one cares.

Missing a s**t ton of buffs and some decent attack rings. Yeah, s**t just got personal.

Maybe I should just screen shot every s**t ring set newbs have when asking for a crew outside the gate since my definition of newbs seem to differ radically from everyone elses.

Your original post made no distinction between missing one or two buffs and not being able to carry nearly all of them. I had assumed you would continue to avoid making that distinction, since there would be no need to suddenly bring it up without acknowledging it should have been made clear from the outset.

[Gemenice]

happyprincesslol

Okay... this whole post you just did, was contradicting all of your previous ones. Especially your 'sarcasm'.

If you make a mistake, admit it. That's what the rest of the mankind do.

There is no hassle if you're not a horrible buff assigner, because usually, when starting a crew you should have enough brains to ask the low CL's if they have all buffs on CL 10.0. If not, you accomodate.

When you're already in and missing only one person, well, I usually swap my rings with them if possible, since I'm already out.

It's not impossible for the 10.0s to do DMS. And YES it is challenging for them, because they are LOW LEVEL. They are first time in the area, and it's adrenaline rush. Like every time, for every normal gamer when they get to new level of their game.

You just said that diagnose is better in speed, contradicting again. My head's starting to hurt. How about you make an opinion and stick to it, and don't change little things? Or start with all those little things, so I don't have the feeling that with each post you're grabbing on different straw?

PS is not quicker in my opinion - you gain orbs slowly, plus your rings gained have pretty low CL. Which means even more orbs for leveling them up, not to mention spending gold on power ups - is that how you leveled up? Gosh, I kind of dislike not pure TC XD That's why I don't use it, only for my latest mule.Which I still kind of hate.

Yes, they could do smob. THat's even fun more or less, but then again, there is a problem of lagging there a lot.

Everything has more viewpoints. I see no reason why I shouldn't take the ones that are lagging but want to play and HAVE THE ABILITY even though they lack few rings inside.

Yesterday, I tanked for crew where highest level was 10.8. Usually they were 10.2-10.4 and one CL 10.0. They didn't use meat, actually, not that much at all. They had different sets..

Before me, there was different tanker. I was watching on my friend's computer, and she was still good. Wasn't best, there were little mistakes that people surely noticed, but one 10.0 didn't even equip meat. And she managed. They didn't loose much health at all.

To the meat vs bandage. First, stealing aggro - meat is worse, because with ONE touch you can steal a bunch.

Bandage - heals over the time, the aggro comes slower leaves the tank more time to gain it back. also it gives you more health/healing chance if you REALLY need it.

Most of the new levels r4 meat right away - which is a horrible, horrible thing, and no one tells them not to that. On the other hand, it gets a lot of support from CL's that should know better.

Now, this is my last post, until it would seem you stopped the contradictions. Have a nice life and I hope you'll grow up soon too.


Oh sorry and I just had to add this >

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Maybe I should just screen shot every s**t ring set newbs have when asking for a crew outside the gate since my definition of newbs seem to differ radically from everyone elses.

Half of the time if you looked at my ringset out there, it would be horrible too. Because I come from different areas usually, which means different set.

Funnily enough, when you ask them to change it, they usually can.

[Avaline Fitheach]

Gemenice

happyprincesslol

Before me, there was different tanker. I was watching on my friend's computer, and she was still good. Wasn't best, there were little mistakes that people surely noticed, but one 10.0 didn't even equip meat. And she managed. They didn't loose much health at all.

To the meat vs bandage. First, stealing aggro - meat is worse, because with ONE touch you can steal a bunch.

Bandage - heals over the time, the aggro comes slower leaves the tank more time to gain it back. also it gives you more health/healing chance if you REALLY need it.

Most of the new levels r4 meat right away - which is a horrible, horrible thing, and no one tells them not to that. On the other hand, it gets a lot of support from CL's that should know better.

Taking and r4ing Meat is understandable, if not forgivable. Almost all of the players who bring it these days are playing according to older strategy guides and advice, information that was universally recommended a good few months before the players really started to get the experimentation ball rolling and found that Meat isn't really needed. And, just because it isn't a DMS essential doesn't mean it doesn't have its uses. DMS newbies will generally make easily forgivable, but no less costly, mistakes, and usually realize and would admit they don't have a boots-on-ground idea of what DMS is like. Keeping that in mind, who are we to question the knowledge/intelligence of people who insist on bringing some insurance for their first few runs?

[Gemenice]

Agent Sawbones

Gemenice

happyprincesslol

Before me, there was different tanker. I was watching on my friend's computer, and she was still good. Wasn't best, there were little mistakes that people surely noticed, but one 10.0 didn't even equip meat. And she managed. They didn't loose much health at all.

To the meat vs bandage. First, stealing aggro - meat is worse, because with ONE touch you can steal a bunch.

Bandage - heals over the time, the aggro comes slower leaves the tank more time to gain it back. also it gives you more health/healing chance if you REALLY need it.

Most of the new levels r4 meat right away - which is a horrible, horrible thing, and no one tells them not to that. On the other hand, it gets a lot of support from CL's that should know better.

Taking and r4ing Meat is understandable, if not forgivable. Almost all of the players who bring it these days are playing according to older strategy guides and advice, information that was universally recommended a good few months before the players really started to get the experimentation ball rolling and found that Meat isn't really needed. And, just because it isn't a DMS essential doesn't mean it doesn't have its uses. DMS newbies will generally make easily forgivable, but no less costly, mistakes, and usually realize and would admit they don't have a boots-on-ground idea of what DMS is like. Keeping that in mind, who are we to question the knowledge/intelligence of people who insist on bringing some insurance for their first few runs?

Oh, I don't mind the insurance. I'm just saying that I don't see a problem if they don't have meat, like someone - which follows few of my previous posts. Long story short:

I prefer bandage. If they want to take meat, let them, but if they are taking it, why not use it to its full potential? I mean there are 4 healings you can use, why use it all at first moment?

[Avaline Fitheach]

Gemenice

Agent Sawbones

Gemenice

happyprincesslol

Before me, there was different tanker. I was watching on my friend's computer, and she was still good. Wasn't best, there were little mistakes that people surely noticed, but one 10.0 didn't even equip meat. And she managed. They didn't loose much health at all.

To the meat vs bandage. First, stealing aggro - meat is worse, because with ONE touch you can steal a bunch.

Bandage - heals over the time, the aggro comes slower leaves the tank more time to gain it back. also it gives you more health/healing chance if you REALLY need it.

Most of the new levels r4 meat right away - which is a horrible, horrible thing, and no one tells them not to that. On the other hand, it gets a lot of support from CL's that should know better.

Taking and r4ing Meat is understandable, if not forgivable. Almost all of the players who bring it these days are playing according to older strategy guides and advice, information that was universally recommended a good few months before the players really started to get the experimentation ball rolling and found that Meat isn't really needed. And, just because it isn't a DMS essential doesn't mean it doesn't have its uses. DMS newbies will generally make easily forgivable, but no less costly, mistakes, and usually realize and would admit they don't have a boots-on-ground idea of what DMS is like. Keeping that in mind, who are we to question the knowledge/intelligence of people who insist on bringing some insurance for their first few runs?

Oh, I don't mind the insurance. I'm just saying that I don't see a problem if they don't have meat, like someone - which follows few of my previous posts. Long story short:

I prefer bandage. If they want to take meat, let them, but if they are taking it, why not use it to its full potential? I mean there are 4 healings you can use, why use it all at first moment?

Ah, now I see what you mean.

The answer to the likely rhetorical question you've just asked is that Meat is generally not used to heal damage, even though that's the other effect it has. For the most part, it's just used to increase max health, so it's used more as a buff and less as a healing ring. Hence the reason I called it insurance.

As you may have guessed, the reason Meat isn't primarily used as a healing ring terribly often is because it's horrifyingly impractical to heal using meat. I would have to increase the rage rank every time I use it to achieve anything, whereas I could use r1 Bandage a few times and get back all health I might have lost in less time than it took to rage up several times.

[Gemenice]

Agent Sawbones

Ah, now I see what you mean.

The answer to the likely rhetorical question you've just asked is that Meat is generally not used to heal damage, even though that's the other effect it has. For the most part, it's just used to increase max health, so it's used more as a buff and less as a healing ring. Hence the reason I called it insurance.

As you may have guessed, the reason Meat isn't primarily used as a healing ring terribly often is because it's horrifyingly impractical to heal using meat. I would have to increase the rage rank every time I use it to achieve anything, whereas I could use r1 Bandage a few times and get back all health I might have lost in less time than it took to rage up several times.

That's all true, of course. But personally, talking about DMS now, I found it easier to rank it slowly. Yes, it's nice to have a HP boost, but having half of your health healed right away is nice. I found that in DMS, I usually have rage/or can build it up quickly. So that's not a problem in my opinion usually.

I get why people would want to take it, why people would use it the way they do, but then again, I don't see a point not to crew someone who doesn't have it. The practical use can be done with bandage too, as you pointed it out, so I as leader or tank wouldn't stand in the way of such people.

[Pan Twardowski]

Because DMS is a status thing.