[RETROGUIDE] How To DMS - Kamila/Bloodlust strategy added

[Elusive Affliction]

Aseres

L3G1T

Lol wow did she go and pull out all her mules ?
what a fail emotion_awesome

idk whose those are but they aren't mine xD

playing, I'll respond to people and update stuff later! Or rafi will kill me <3

Lol Ir referring to that kaya person or w/e.
& i dun liek rafi's crewing style :l. When I was in et someone had quicksand... I was liek tf brah emotion_facepalm

[turtless]

I respect you a little bit more now that I can see that you can make an actual contribution. But the trolling is just a little bit silly. >_>

Oh well, nice job on this guide. Even I learned something. whee

[Mage Ragepunk]

I'll post a small Orb guide later on as soon as I collect enough data to contribute to it.

EDIT: Also, thankies for the mention <3 You're the best healer I've ever had, and don't go a changing biggrin I'll keep learning the Game Mechanics for us <3

[YOUR MY BlTCH]

''L3G1T, Spelling sucks so bad'' - Kasiyahan

[YOUR MY BlTCH]

''L3G1T, Work more harder on your grammar, Please'' - Kasiyahan

[Erynnis_Tristis]

I'm just going to thank you for not jumping ont the 'anti-integrity' bandwagon.

Integrity boosts all stats, not just luck, but because some people can't think for themselves, and believe everything they read on the internet (a dangerous combination), they'll demand a player removes integrity because it's a 'greed' ring, and want coyote equipped instead...which does nothing but luck...(and they aren't asking for it because they want to run faster...)

[Mage Ragepunk]

Kasiyahan

''L3G1T, Work more harder on your grammar, Please'' - Kasiyahan

Please, you've got a way to go on his grammar, with yours not being so tip top.

[Aseres]

turtless

I respect you a little bit more now that I can see that you can make an actual contribution. But the trolling is just a little bit silly. >_>

Oh well, nice job on this guide. Even I learned something. whee

I have no desire to be liked by everyone so I'm fine : ) Don't think I've never told this to anyone. I've passed advice on to nearly everyone I've played with, so I've "contributed" more then enough already (not to mention constructive comments in other threads)~

glad you enjoyed it though!

[Elusive Affliction]

Kasiyahan

''L3G1T, Spelling sucks so bad'' - Kasiyahan

O I C U FXED UR POST FRUM GRAMAR TO SPALLINGZ.
BUT I CEEZ UR THE ONE HO DUSNT KNOW TEH DIFFURENCE emotion_awesome

[Aseres]

Kasiyahan

''L3G1T, more harder Please'' - Kasiyahan

that's what she said emotion_awesome

[Elusive Affliction]

Aseres

Kasiyahan

''L3G1T, more harder Please'' - Kasiyahan

that's what she said emotion_awesome

Bby I can 90year old Viagra dat a**. emotion_dowant

[YOUR MY BlTCH]

L3G1T

Aseres

Kasiyahan

''L3G1T, more harder Please'' - Kasiyahan

that's what she said emotion_awesome

Bby I can 90year old Viagra dat a**. emotion_dowant

''I am so Sorry,i have to say this to you, go finish high school atleast'' - Kasiyahan

[Rascala Cat]

Thanks for taking the time to type all this out, it's helpful and my brain will hopefully soak some of it up mrgreen

[Elusive Affliction]

Kasiyahan

L3G1T

Aseres

Kasiyahan

''L3G1T, more harder Please'' - Kasiyahan

that's what she said emotion_awesome

Bby I can 90year old Viagra dat a**. emotion_dowant

''I am so Sorry,i have to say this to you, go finish high school atleast'' - Kasiyahan

Derp, your grammar is off just a bit don't you think? You forgot to capitalize the I emotion_jawdrop
I do believe everyone learned that in like- kindergarten ? Sorry to have to quote you on this but
''I am so Sorry,I have to say this to you, go finish kindergarten at least'' - Kasiyahan

I FAX UR GRAMMER

[Aseres]

Red Kutai

Aseres

"Don't prioritize leveling your debuffs"
Leveling up Cat and Tape will not make them more effective, it will raise their duration, that's all. If that's what you want - go for it, but I'd recommend leveling up other rings first.

I don't believe Crowd Control durations scale with level - were that the case, we'd expect ~1 second durations for Scaredy Cat and Duct Tape at CL 1.0, and that's pretty easy to disprove. It's possible (though I've not personally seen it documented) that increasing CL doesn't increase effectiveness either (many Rings, like Divinity, gain no inherent advantage from being Upgraded), but it certainly doesn't increase duration. sweatdrop

On the subject, the following Rings are known to gain no advantage from Upgrading: Divinity, Improbability Sphere, Pot Lid, My Density, Taunt, Gumshoe, and Coyote Spirit. Beyond those, there are several Rings (Rock Armor, Healing Halo, Iron Will, Teflon Spray, Turtle, and Fleet Feet) that only scale part of their natural effect. In some cases, the scaled portion is the significant one (Healing Halo, Iron Will) while in others it is not (Teflon Spray, Rock Armor). This doesn't mean these rings shouldn't be upgraded; just that it's often best to upgrade them last.

Also worth noting - if the above arguments weren't sufficient enough - it's important to remember that buffs and healing rings are limited both by their own CL, and by their target's CL - so maxing out your buffs and heals first will not do as much as you might expect. These 'support' rings use their own CL, or their target's, whichever is lowest - so leveling rings like Wish to CL 12.0 is only truly effective if your Crewmates are actually that high, as well. sweatdrop

Quote:

"The thing with the weighted average"
In zOMG your overall CL will be lowered if your ring's levels are uneven. As a result, if you level 3 rings up to 12 and leave 3 at 10 the weighted average will kick in and nerf the cl 12 rings. They implemented that so people would level all their rings evenly and that's what you should do too to an extend.

The effect I believe you're referring to here is known as RED - Ring Effectiveness Distortion - and should only be affecting rings that are more than 2.0 Charge Levels higher than the character's Overall CL - since the requirement to enter DMS is 10.0, and the highest new level available is 12.0, it shouldn't be coming into play at this time.

Unless this is a new effect implemented along with DMS, which I am unfamiliar with, I don't believe it should be significant, here. 3nodding

EDIT: When you mention "weighted averages", however, it sounds more like you're referring to overall CL calculations, which is a weighted average of individual ring CLs. While there shouldn't be any reason to worrying about RED (which is what would be 'nerfing' your high-level rings), understanding the weighted averaging system is still important for maximising the effect your orbs have on your overall CL. Because of the manner in which the weighted average system works (it 'weighs' your highest-level rings the most), it is actually most efficient to focus your orbs into a few rings, rather than increasing them all evenly. As an example, spending 80 Shadow Orbs to increase a full tray of Rings to 10.1 will increase your overall CL by exactly 0.1 - spending the same 80 Shadow Orbs to increase just one Ring to CL 10.8 would increae your overall CL by 0.177..., which is a rather significant difference. Since the upgrades to CL 12.0 cost twice as much, it's still most efficient to level several rings to CL 11.0 before continuing to CL 12.0 (4 or 5, depending on how you choose to order things). However, so long as you remain within a range at which RED won't be affecting you noticeably (which all of DMS is), the notion that leveling your rings 'evenly' is most effective is - at best - half-true... sweatdrop

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Overall, it's much appreciated that you share your obviously successful tactics with those interested - I'm sure there are a lot of players who will learn a lot of things, from these guides...

I'm kind of durp'd and tired right now so I will read your post more carefully later, but your constructive and accurate information is appreciated! The information about the debuffs and how they level is from Tay so I just took it for granted that he knew what he was talking about, likewise, the info about the weighted average from JK.

But like I said, I'll re-read what you posted after my current crew and, with your permission, add/correct some of the information to (of) this thread.