About "some details for the next update"

[Schoeke]

About Qixter announcement on the 20/8

When is this update?

Why the reply- button is gone in there?

My response:

I like the idea of in-game Bargain, some ss updates, the ring optimizations, new quest, the daily chance with a possibility of winning a million gold 4laugh I will certainly visit those spots frequently ninja

What I dont like is "It is assumed that you are in a crew of 5-6 players for this adventure series. Getting through the areas with fewer players will be extremely challenging, if not impossible."

At the 26th april we (our clan) gave up in defeating Endboss, I still haven't my scarf crying
in 1 hour with 6 people in SS we lost 4 people from crashes or kicks and whatsoever,
on one time me and another player got finaly to sealab and waited for more than 2 hours for others to come and join us... cos they always got kicked or gave up for some reason,
after seeing almost the whole crew getting crashed or kicked or reloading or leaving cos of time-issue we gave up,
on another day we tried again we started at about 21:00 and still were fighting eb at 02:00 (in the middle of the night) and stopped for the same reasons as above.

Till now I didnt do it again, cos it was hopeless at that time, i hope those probs are solved now.

So im not that happy with the 5-6 rule, its hard to find people who will play eb till the end,
there are always players who at the end give up or have hardware problems,
mostly just before Sealab or at the Robofish Tunnel.
At Whirlpool there enough people to join crew and
I mostly ask if they wanna do EB to be sure, but still it happens a lot they gave up.
It would be nice if 4 would be enough to get through the EB fight at the end.
Maybe with some special skills or rings or whatever...

[Foxxe]

1. No reply - Qixter doesn't want to discuss it in that thread anymore.
2. There is no 5-6 rule, just a 5-6 recommendation. Average players will take that many to complete EB but there are people who can do it with 3 (switch minimum) and even with 1 (2 leave after switches). Those are exceptional/power gamers. No pressure to emulate.
3. Try joining a clan/guild to get prime crew. Don't bother with some of the riff-raff that hang around the beach. Crew with people you know and trust.
4. Lags and glitches are still being fixed during the Beta phase. You can see, the devs are trying but it is a tough problem.

[iRection]

Futher more, maybe your crew just doesn't have a good enough strategy. RR4 Rock Armor, nothing less, should help heaps.

[Captain Caffeine]

He brings up a VERY good point. I thought ZOMG is supposed to be a casual MMO but the fact that you have to dedicate over an hour or so just to get to the end boss is rediculous. Add the time to find people to help you and it takes even longer.

What's worse is if you fail, you have to go through it all again!

There really needs to be a null chamber near the end boss or something.

Of course, making the whole game from whirlpool onwards non-instanced would be fantastic. Easier to recrewt people and at least there would be other members of the community to help. Isn't that the idea of the game? Also the fact that as soon as you whirlpool you don't see anyone else makes it rather boring compared to Gold Beach.

Instance the end boss but the journey there needs to be faster and a lot more social.

[CleoSombra]

iRection

Futher more, maybe your crew just doesn't have a good enough strategy. RR4 Rock Armor, nothing less, should help heaps.

If this is the only strategy you need, the Endboss needs to be made a lot harder. ;o

That or we need to nerf ro-

/shot

[Creas]

CleoSombra

iRection

Futher more, maybe your crew just doesn't have a good enough strategy. RR4 Rock Armor, nothing less, should help heaps.

If this is the only strategy you need, the Endboss needs to be made a lot harder. ;o

That or we need to nerf ro-

/shot

Don't give any one any ides now, Cleo.

[Digit02]

Captain Caffeine

There really needs to be a null chamber near the end boss or something.

Umm, NO.

Captain Caffeine

Of course, making the whole game from whirlpool onwards non-instanced would be fantastic. Easier to recrewt people and at least there would be other members of the community to help. Isn't that the idea of the game? Also the fact that as soon as you whirlpool you don't see anyone else makes it rather boring compared to Gold Beach.

Instance the end boss but the journey there needs to be faster and a lot more social.

This IS the ENDBOSS of Chapter One that we're talking about. It's shouldn't be easy to get to him.

The upcoming update makes it so soloing SS becomes a lot more difficult thus promoting crewing, thus making it more social.

[Malignant Virus]

CleoSombra

iRection

Futher more, maybe your crew just doesn't have a good enough strategy. RR4 Rock Armor, nothing less, should help heaps.

If this is the only strategy you need, the Endboss needs to be made a lot harder. ;o

That or we need to nerf ro-

/shot

The devs heard that. Wait till the armour-update. ninja

[PowderedVinegar]

Do you know what you're seeing here...

taylor did solo it >;o

Fantastic!

[Schoeke]

iRection

Futher more, maybe your crew just doesn't have a good enough strategy. RR4 Rock Armor, nothing less, should help heaps.

It has nothing to do about lack of strategy,
it has to do with the fact that when crewing 6 persons for eb,
the chance is hugh that at the end 1 or 2 of them give up and
youve only got 4 when entering the eb room.

It would be better to crew with at least 8 persons or
make it possible to do eb with only 4.

[Divine_Malevolence]

5-6 person rule?
They're not crazy enough to do such a thing.

[Creas]

Divine_Malevolence

5-6 person rule?
They're not crazy enough to do such a thing.

Forced crewing? That's such a new concept I just don't see it happening.

[Velobus99]

We did endboss with 3 players yesterday,

3-2-1

[Malignant Virus]

Schoeke

iRection

Futher more, maybe your crew just doesn't have a good enough strategy. RR4 Rock Armor, nothing less, should help heaps.

It has nothing to do about lack of strategy,
it has to do with the fact that when crewing 6 persons for eb,
the chance is hugh that at the end 1 or 2 of them give up and
youve only got 4 when entering the eb room.

It would be better to crew with at least 8 persons or
make it possible to do eb with only 4.

That's pretty obvious. But endboss is easier with less people. Less Grunny-sub spawns, less deathmines, and less people in need of defib.

Um. No, it would make it two times as laggy. And it's possible for people do it it with 3 people, 2, or even one person. {I've seen it all three happen.}

Also, have you ever heard of suiciding to go outside and recrewt more people?
THAT'S one of the main STRATEGIES.

It has nothing to do about shortage of people,
it has to do with the fact that you utterly lacked strategy.

Edit: Whoops, looking at Erynnis's post, I was talking about EB currently. My bad.

[Erynnis_Tristis]

I see a lot of people responding here about things they did yesterday/last week/last year. HOWEVER, the OP is talking about the update, where Qixter implies that whatever anyone was able to do with only 2, or 3, or all by their little lonesomes before, will no longer be possible. Which makes all the 'I could do that blindfolded with both hands tied behind my back' posts meaningless.

The announcement clearly indicates that it will be much harder without a full crew, and the lower the number of crew members the harder it will be. So I have a similar question to the OP, if it will be much harder to solo SS, does that mean it will be much harder at the hard, normal, or the easy setting?

I am hoping that Qixter's intention is that it will be harder at the normal setting, and almost impossible at the hard setting to solo SS. But I am hoping that on the Easy setting it will be manageable to get through SS without having a full of crew of 6 people. Maybe you won't be able to solo it on Easy. Maybe you'll need 3 or 4 people. But I hope it won't be necessary to have 6 people, all the time, just to survive in there.

For the reasons the OP has already stated, sometimes even if you put in your best efforts to get 6 people together for a SS or EB run, someone might have to go, someone might get DCed, or lag out, or be so incompetent/disruptive that you have no choice but to kick them out. This should not put you in a situation where your attempt at EB is instantly doomed. It is still difficult to recrewt in SS, despite being able to use the invite function (although it may increase the usefulness of the recrewting forum) and I would hope that Qixter has given some thought to how this update will affect players in this situation.

Malignant: You say in your post:

Malignant Virus

But endboss is easier with less people. Less Grunny-sub spawns, less deathmines, and less people in need of defib.

And then you say this:

Malignant Virus

Besides, SS+EB is MEANT for a crew. Which doesn't mean that you could completely it alone or with a few people, easily. BUT that also doesn't mean that you CAN'T complete it with a few people. I mean, I couldn't really be able to imagine how a single person would be able to take down a battleship fleet.

I see quite a contradiction in your statements. If we will now have a situation after the update where you need 6 people to get through SS, then have to kick half of them to make the EB easier, don't you think that something, somewhere, has gone terrible wrong? xp