About recent nerfs and ideas to fix it

[Adrilaxas]

It's stupid that I got the idea in my head to keep the Gauntlet unfinished so that I could play with the God Vases whenever I wanted...

Anyway, Hack still seems to be slightly stronger than Mantis in terms of attack versus attack. They're still not on equal terms, but close. Haven't used Hack that much after I picked up Mantis, so I don't really remember what Hack used to be like in-game. If it uses 4 stamina a hit while Mantis uses 2, it should deal at least 50% more damage than Mantis does. I think it's around 30% stronger than Mantis is currently...

[Madam Chai]

I wasnt' crazy about the health nerfs, but took it as one of those "wtf can u do about it?" things and got over it. But to nerf hack? xp And it used to be one of my favorite rings.

[Bobannan]

loof ehT

one thing i learned is pming the mod/dev right away, with sound approach
making a thread is pointless unless you want to confirm things with other users first (before pming razz )

all the changes i observed since i joined in march indicate:
the devs want to make zomg into WoW with power-ups playing the role of subscription fees, and it's easier to nerf a ring than change stats/ai of the monsters
it might have started as a free flash mini-game, it isn't anymore
the end?

it's natural to object to having your power/rights taken away, to whiteknight free community site meme, but those are over
it's isn't free to run gaia, why would the staff pay for your convenience?
roll over gonk

i dont understand why people hate nerfs soooooo much. i like them. it makes the game more challenging. and you dont need powerups. you just need skill

[Madam Chai]

bo_bannan

loof ehT

one thing i learned is pming the mod/dev right away, with sound approach
making a thread is pointless unless you want to confirm things with other users first (before pming razz )

all the changes i observed since i joined in march indicate:
the devs want to make zomg into WoW with power-ups playing the role of subscription fees, and it's easier to nerf a ring than change stats/ai of the monsters
it might have started as a free flash mini-game, it isn't anymore
the end?

it's natural to object to having your power/rights taken away, to whiteknight free community site meme, but those are over
it's isn't free to run gaia, why would the staff pay for your convenience?
roll over gonk

i dont understand why people hate nerfs soooooo much. i like them. it makes the game more challenging. and you dont need powerups. you just need skill

some nerfing can make the game more callenging/ interesting I suppose, but multiple nerfs and more powerful animated eventually will make things unbalanced.

[Bobannan]

Nara_Neji_02

bo_bannan

loof ehT

one thing i learned is pming the mod/dev right away, with sound approach
making a thread is pointless unless you want to confirm things with other users first (before pming razz )

all the changes i observed since i joined in march indicate:
the devs want to make zomg into WoW with power-ups playing the role of subscription fees, and it's easier to nerf a ring than change stats/ai of the monsters
it might have started as a free flash mini-game, it isn't anymore
the end?

it's natural to object to having your power/rights taken away, to whiteknight free community site meme, but those are over
it's isn't free to run gaia, why would the staff pay for your convenience?
roll over gonk

i dont understand why people hate nerfs soooooo much. i like them. it makes the game more challenging. and you dont need powerups. you just need skill

some nerfing can make the game more callenging/ interesting I suppose, but multiple nerfs and more powerful animated eventually will make things unbalanced.

things dont need to be balanced completly. and they arnt making animated harder. everyone is kidding themselves if they think they are. they are making levels, which make it seem harder, but you can still go on easy, and be perfectly fine.

[Malignant Virus]

maui boy no ka oi

I don't see anything wrong with the layout now. zOMG Elite is at the top because of affiliation with gaia staff (I believe) and all the other clans on the top are recently created clans that are getting exposure due to their new status.

Oh so if ONE guild has ONE mod in it THAT makes it so that it's better than ALL of the guilds?
And even that, NONE of the OTHER decently filled {above 50 users} have to be shoved to page 60+??

Do you people seriously believe that's even enough to be CALLED justification?

Seriously, people are telling me "Oh, it's not elitist, there's nothing elitist about it!", yet the zEL is on the top of the list, while there are clans with 1-2 people on the first 4 pages making zEL look even better. So tell me, that ISN'T elitist? If you do, you're honestly ignorant.

That's not ******** anything besides favoritism.
Whoever had done that deserves for their power to be stripped.

Edit: HAH. I went through pages 1 - 20 without finding ONE clan having more than 3 people.
... I still stand, it's utterly condescending and gives the illusion that the zElite is the only clan out there.

Edit: Made it to page 30 without finding a clan made up of more than 4 people.

Edit: Page 40, nothing above 5 users.

Edit: Page 50, nothing above 6 users.

Edit : Page 60, nothing above 6 users. {50-60 only 1-3 users}

I've decided to stop. Tell me, what the hell is this?
Hah, and I'm getting elite's telling me there's NOTHING WRONG with the "layout".
Now how can I trust any of you if you can't tell the difference between right, wrong, elitist, and not?

[PowderedVinegar]

maui boy no ka oi

PowderedVinegar

maui boy no ka oi

PowderedVinegar

i didnt ask for proof that a nerf happened, they know it happened, and were gonna do it anyway. i said prove to them why to change it back.

That last sentence didn't really make sense but assuming you mean to explain why I want it changed back, I think I answered that question. In case you still don't get it, at the time before the nerf there were no overpowered rings (except maybe mantis). In fact I actually believed a lot to be underpowered like shark attack. For the stamina it uses, the recharge time, and the delay between the execution of the attack and the moment of impact, it doesn't do nearly enough damage. Now they nerf all the other good rings making it look like mantis is now overpowered for the stamina usage and recharge time when it's perfectly fine. It's just everything else that sucks now. They're essentially encouraging solos because with the decreased attack strength, it places a heavier need on defense in which crews only get in the way of accomplishing.

then i think u need to retest ur rings out, and btw ur sig? no offense, but that build is terrible and art of ur problem.

anyway, not everything was nerfed in the rebalancing.
go check out hot foot. my god i used to hate that ring............. now............ i might reconsider it.

Uses too much stamina for what it's worth and as for my ring set, it's my general set that I can use in almost any non-specialized situation. 6, 7, 8 take care of keeping me alive where 1, 2, 3, 4 take care of quick sweeps of areas that I need to clear in a hurry. 5 obviously takes care of stamina and it's funny that you're criticizing me for my ring set when it seems that the only thing you specialize in is SS farming and EB running (both of which are extremely easy even on hard difficulties). Hive used to be a challenge until the updates (now it's regular to get to wave 300 with a good 3 man crew). The only slight challenge I find now is soloing bosses (which is all I do these days). I have a different set for each situation but for general run around and help out others, that is my set. Hive, replace div with meat. SS it depends on what my crew has, coatl soloing (was) mantis, hack, div, fitness, meat, bandage, diagnose, turtle. Duneslam (was) mantis, bump, coyote, fitness, meat, bandage, diagnose, turtle.

not really, i play welll in every area. and hotfoot takes about the same as solar, 90% chance to do equal or great damage appx. go test it urself, because last week i would have said what a suck ring it was. i don;t know if that change was this update, but when i settled on not liking hotfoot, it didn't do comparable damage.

either way, if you're depending on turtle, u're barely getting away with things. sure a good crew can pull u along, hell it's better than 7 attacks a heal, god knows how many noobs think that's awesome, but 3 rings is already alot. and aside from turtle, u have nothing but your crew to protect you. ok, meat when u solo, but ditch an attack, and add another buff like ghost or potlid. i like your duneslam build best but i hope that your crew is buffing you. i dislike that it's THE build. my duneslam build depends on my crew, and who brings what buff so right now, you're saying it's a b***h to survive with the heal nerf, however a few ring changes and it wouldn't suck nearly as bad.

Fou_Lu

PowderedVinegar

nerfs have to happen in beta. it's a challenge, deal with it.

instead of complaining, suggest improvements. not just 'put it back because it was good. give detailed proof and reason.

if u want the devs to listen, give them a reason to.

you make a valid point... however

to answer your question I will ask you a question, have you ever heard the saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it" ?
if so.. then perhaps the alternative common sense may also apply to this situation: "if it ain't broke don't go and break it"

my whole standpoint is that if they intended on doing this nerf next update and slipped up and created an imbalanced update, then they should push the full ring update right now to compensate for the accidental screw up .. OR go back and put it back the way it was temporarily (which they won't do)

thing was, it was broke. they're re balancing. jusrt because u can't you can't understand why they did doesn't mean they didn't do it for a reason. no one said the update was imbalanced. they said a few ring changes snuck in.

back to what i was saying, give them a valid reason it was better before. a detailed analysis. sure it's not your job, but if you want the people with power (devs) to listen to you, give them something they can't refuse.

loof ehT

one thing i learned is pming the mod/dev right away, with sound approach
making a thread is pointless unless you want to confirm things with other users first (before pming razz )

all the changes i observed since i joined in march indicate:
the devs want to make zomg into WoW with power-ups playing the role of subscription fees, and it's easier to nerf a ring than change stats/ai of the monsters
it might have started as a free flash mini-game, it isn't anymore
the end?

it's natural to object to having your power/rights taken away, to whiteknight free community site meme, but those are over
it's isn't free to run gaia, why would the staff pay for your convenience?
roll over gonk

not really. there will never be subscription fees. buffs and polishers are liek happy little bonuses you can buy to make life easier. my playing style doesn't use them. i've got some polishers and chargers, but i went the whole game to EB without using one. i used them on occasion now because i have them, but never when i'm really trying to do something.

grounderous

It's stupid that I got the idea in my head to keep the Gauntlet unfinished so that I could play with the God Vases whenever I wanted...

Anyway, Hack still seems to be slightly stronger than Mantis in terms of attack versus attack. They're still not on equal terms, but close. Haven't used Hack that much after I picked up Mantis, so I don't really remember what Hack used to be like in-game. If it uses 4 stamina a hit while Mantis uses 2, it should deal at least 50% more damage than Mantis does. I think it's around 30% stronger than Mantis is currently...

join a crew with the quest >&?

[Malignant Virus]

First, is there any proof that we're doing less damage than before the update?

Second, has anyone ever thought that they were reducing our current ring's attack "strength", i.e. Strong -> Moderate, to make room for future rings that are stronger but have no power level?

Say the highest attack ring was Hack, which is very strong. If they moved it down to strong, then a future ring would have very strong, maybe called "IMA FIRIN MAH LAZZAAH". It's possible that the actual strength of our rings were not reduced, but only reduced in CLASS, to make room for other "levels" or "classes".

[Adrilaxas]

PowderedVinegar

grounderous

It's stupid that I got the idea in my head to keep the Gauntlet unfinished so that I could play with the God Vases whenever I wanted...

join a crew with the quest >&?

Just wanted to clarify my post.

[Lobotryas]

Malignant Virus

Edit: HAH. I went through pages 1 - 20 without finding ONE clan having more than 3 people.
... I still stand, it's utterly condescending and gives the illusion that the zElite is the only clan out there.

I believe you, but could you please link to 3-5 zOMG Clans that do have maybe 20 or 40 plus people?

Also, zEL have name recognition going for them. For better or worse they advertise heavily and I've yet to see any other clan try the same approach.

[Demma]

I've seen it said a few times that they're weakening our rings to make way for stronger ones in chapter 2... Is that really the case? Staff say or forums say?

I don't think that they should make chapter 2 rings stronger than chapter 1 rings. For me, that's what I find the biggest problem with (Though healing nerfs really ticked me off). I love my ring set, and with it I am (Was, don't know about after updates) a strong attacker, self sufficient with healing and defense, and able to keep my party members alive with heals as well.

When the next chapter comes, sure it'll be fun to try out new rings, but I was fairly set on keeping the rings I had. If the chapter 2 rings are stronger than the ones we already have, it's not really fair to users who love certain chapter one rings? >:


Then. zOMG Elite bothers me, just because it's called zOMG Elite. I don't care what they say about it being just a name, but calling yourself Elite is Elitist. There's no way around that. Elite means what it does, and that meaning doesn't change when it's 'just a name'.
Even though it's hard to find a good clan (Still haven't, myself,), I declined when they invited me... surprised

[PowderedVinegar]

grounderous

PowderedVinegar

grounderous

It's stupid that I got the idea in my head to keep the Gauntlet unfinished so that I could play with the God Vases whenever I wanted...

join a crew with the quest >&?

Just wanted to clarify my post.

join a crew >;0

[tkdauronXIII]

You know...I've seen nothing but asinine bitching in this entire thread so far. Have any of you considered waiting until the balance updates come in before bitching at the accused nerfs and glitches?? As for the guild bitching, please take it to your respective pm's or another forum. As for the mistake of putting out the nerf update without the balance update, that's entirely the dev's fault for doing that. Even so, we know that there's supposed to be a balance for the nerfs once the next update comes.

[Adrilaxas]

PowderedVinegar

grounderous

PowderedVinegar

grounderous

It's stupid that I got the idea in my head to keep the Gauntlet unfinished so that I could play with the God Vases whenever I wanted...

join a crew with the quest >&?

Just wanted to clarify my post.

join a crew >;0

Why? If I get any spare time for it, I'm going to get a crew together that'll follow my plan against 'em. But for right now, solo when I get the urge to fight a brick wall.

[PowderedVinegar]

grounderous

PowderedVinegar

grounderous

PowderedVinegar

grounderous

It's stupid that I got the idea in my head to keep the Gauntlet unfinished so that I could play with the God Vases whenever I wanted...

join a crew with the quest >&?

Just wanted to clarify my post.

join a crew >;0

Why? If I get any spare time for it, I'm going to get a crew together that'll follow my plan against 'em. But for right now, solo when I get the urge to fight a brick wall.

so that u can do the gauntlet like u want?

what's the big deal? help some people out and when they leave, go kill those worthless vases?