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Sebyth
Errol McGillivray
I got the shapes. They rock.

Were you able to find anything? I could try finding a canadian site that sells them for you.

Nice. Haven't found anything yet, kinda just settled on the can/globe/carton. They're not too bad other than the globe's base (which I've been pointing 'away' and not drawing) and the can's beveling at the ends.

Should I start looking at week 2 stuff now?
Did you go through the Week 1 Wrap up or whatever I called it. It's the critiques from week 1.

I'll be using the prelims and quizzes for week 1 that I got from the new people for the next one. So don't worry. You'll still get video critique. (edit) Then start the next one.
Errol McGillivray
Did you go through the Week 1 Wrap up or whatever I called it. It's the critiques from week 1.

I'll be using the prelims and quizzes for week 1 that I got from the new people for the next one. So don't worry. You'll still get video critique. (edit) Then start the next one.

Think so, watched everything before the week 2 stuff now.

(These are resized versions, mailing Errol the fullsized versions as well):
Week 1 end redo of starting task - here
Compared to week 1 beginning of week: over here

Week 2 starting task (the tree from memory) - Tree thingy
I got my shapes yesterday, so dailies! Yay.

I guess these could be considered week 1 dailies, but I suggest doing them each week, at least once on top of the other dailies. All dailies are things that build your skills and should all be continued to be done. Rotate them so you don't grow stale or forget info you already were introduced to.

It's a good idea to record the date, time of day, how you're positioned, and/or where you are. You can look at your work over time and find out what conditions lead to stronger work. It's very individual and finding the physical conditions that give you the best learning/working experience is just as important as training your mind and arm.

Also, it's good to jot down observations you make about the drawing after you've done it. (Go back later or check it out in a mirror. You'll see mistakes on top of those that are obvious.) Analysis of what you're observing is key to seeing what you need to focus on learning, what you know but didn't do, and insight on where your head is at when you draw.

Dailies
Yesterday Evening (Sitting)

4/26pm #1 - 15 min

Notes: Proportions and angles fairly accurate. Sphere and cylinder not sharing the same space as boxes, flattening image considerably. No consideration to ground and spatial relationships.

4/26pm #2 - 20 min

Notes: Remembered to make use of ground on boxes and sphere. Angles on cylinder incorrect and shape not grounded. Got annoyed and tried to "fix".

This morning (Standing)

4/27am #1 - 10 min

Notes: Left vertical on cube not vertical. Cube does not have all equal lengths and cylinder is too tall and wide. Otherwise, proportions are fairly accurate. Makes use of ground on all shapes, but top of cylinder does not share 3d space with other shapes. Each pair shares ground with itself, but not with the other grouping. Need to focus on bounding box of individual shapes vs overall set up, 90 degree angles, drawing vertical lines, line quality and proportion. Should not rely on interaction to share same space.
Week 2 video tasks: here
Noted on the page but not sure how legible it is - sitting at desk, drawing surface balanced on one knee and edge of desk, took from about 5pm til about 6:15ish (including watching videos & reading).
Sebyth
Errol McGillivray
Did you go through the Week 1 Wrap up or whatever I called it. It's the critiques from week 1.

I'll be using the prelims and quizzes for week 1 that I got from the new people for the next one. So don't worry. You'll still get video critique. (edit) Then start the next one.

Think so, watched everything before the week 2 stuff now.

(These are resized versions, mailing Errol the fullsized versions as well):
Week 1 end redo of starting task - here
Compared to week 1 beginning of week: over here

Week 2 starting task (the tree from memory) - Tree thingy
Look at the huge difference you've made in confidence of line and control. Now, try to take that construction you had when you started and work lightly, with the same control. Then use your confident line to finish it off. Construction is always first, but I find that sometimes you have to get one thing down before another. Trying to do it all at once is overwhelming and discouraging.
Sebyth
Week 2 video tasks: here
Noted on the page but not sure how legible it is - sitting at desk, drawing surface balanced on one knee and edge of desk, took from about 5pm til about 6:15ish (including watching videos & reading).
Awesome. Try doing some more (direct observation though) with a sharper point. Or even a pen. Something that will give you some thin lines and let you get a nice range weights.

If you can find something kind of like the mailbox, try more from life. Your mailbox got really rubbery. Just a little more time working on it will get rid of that.
Errol McGillivray
Look at the huge difference you've made in confidence of line and control. Now, try to take that construction you had when you started and work lightly, with the same control. Then use your confident line to finish it off. Construction is always first, but I find that sometimes you have to get one thing down before another. Trying to do it all at once is overwhelming and discouraging.

It is overwhelming and discouraging, I agree. I'm not sure how 'confident' my lines are in an actual sense, they still wobble and don't go where I want them to go (even without having had coffee all day).

Still having trouble with the whole 'hold the pencil near the back' thing; every way I try it seems to make everything even more awkward and wobbly. I still don't grasp the line width stuff fully, nor how to do that without making the lines even more messy.

As can be witnessed here:
Week 2 video 2ish drawings
Week 2 Daily 1a
Week 2 Daily 1b
Then I was too frustrated to continue, will try the quiz later on.
Sebyth
Errol McGillivray
Look at the huge difference you've made in confidence of line and control. Now, try to take that construction you had when you started and work lightly, with the same control. Then use your confident line to finish it off. Construction is always first, but I find that sometimes you have to get one thing down before another. Trying to do it all at once is overwhelming and discouraging.

It is overwhelming and discouraging, I agree. I'm not sure how 'confident' my lines are in an actual sense, they still wobble and don't go where I want them to go (even without having had coffee all day).

Still having trouble with the whole 'hold the pencil near the back' thing; every way I try it seems to make everything even more awkward and wobbly. I still don't grasp the line width stuff fully, nor how to do that without making the lines even more messy.

As can be witnessed here:
Week 2 video 2ish drawings
Week 2 Daily 1a
Week 2 Daily 1b
Then I was too frustrated to continue, will try the quiz later on.
The wobble is a matter of control. That will change over time as you train the muscles in your arm and hand. I find that I wobble more when I grip the pencil like crazy. When I realize I'm doing it, I have to make myself back off a bit, or stop and go relax before I come back to it.

I didn't post my last dailies and I pretty much didn't do dailies all week (well, work stressed me sick too) because I got frustrated and let it get to me. That's the key. Don't let it get to you. Just keep doing it. You've got a goal and that's to be better than you are now. Each time you're doing better, you're making your goal and setting a new one (which is the same one.)

You're doing fine. After being overwhelmed, I thought about it. Maybe I'm expecting too much of myself right now. So I'm going to do something more simple. Just work on proportion and volume by drawing only two shapes at a time. Then I'll add another when I'm more comfortable. It's all about keeping your ego/self self doubt in check. I do it by keeping things academic. Nothing is learned immediately. I also have to think of it like a sport. You have to train to be able to play well.

Try to go into the drawings with no expectations. That can help you focus on what you're doing instead of what you're not doing.

Trust me, you're doing fine. You know me. I don't bullshit people. Speaking of, that card in the first one... awesome. Despite the control issue of the lines (and the blade, that one ignores the different planes of the blade), it'sexactly what I'm looking for. Hell, yours came out a hell of a lot better than mine did in the video.

Can you take a picture or something of yourself holding the pencil? Let me see what you're doing. Maybe I can help with that.

If you're having too much trouble controlling the tip, hold it closer to the middle, but not right up by the tip. And try to keep the wrist still and move from the elbow and shoulder. It's weird as hell at first, but it gets comfortable after a while and you can put in the construction super lightly because you're not pressing into the paper.
Hey guys. This illustrates what I mean when I say to consider the ground on all the shapes. This keeps you from intersecting the shapes.

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Drawing the shapes from the ground up may also help you stabilize them, so they feel more solid. As you can see in my first daily, I started that way, but lost if part of the way through.

And so I'm not spamming, I'll put my frustration dailies in this post.

#1

My horizontals and verticals were all over the place, so the cube ended up losing it's volume. The circle also flattened things considerably. I'm still having the problem with the top of the cylinder compared to the bottom, which is flattening it out. Because my verticals are all leaning, the cylinder leaned. The bright side is, they are fairly okay proportion wise this time and besides the floating cube, I avoided intersecting the objects.

#2

Tried the same set up again and got frustrated when the by the time I did the cylinder and cone. I lost control of my lines. The cubes have some construction, but the cylinder and cone don't have it. They're flat and slapped in. I need to practice drawing ellipses (circles in perspective, which we'll get into), vertical lines, and parallel lines. I also need to focus more on my initial measuring and comparing, so things are in stronger proportion. I think I'll take the advice from the book and start off with one key height and base the rest on that one object. Which is what I thought I was doing, but I guess I wasn't. Above all, I need to put my expectations aside and focus on what I'm doing. I think that was my major failing last week.

Is anybody willing to look at mind and tell me what else they may see that isn't very strong? (Gotta train the eyes too, people!)
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Oh, I'd love to participate in this, but I don't have a scanner, or access to one. Haven't had the need since I've worked completely digitally for the past few years....>_<

Any suggestions to overcome this? I have an iPhone 4, which has a pretty decent camera on it... sweatdrop
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Oh, I'd love to participate in this, but I don't have a scanner, or access to one. Haven't had the need since I've worked completely digitally for the past few years....>_<

Any suggestions to overcome this? I have an iPhone 4, which has a pretty decent camera on it... sweatdrop
I don't scan anything. I use my phone's camera.
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Oh, I'd love to participate in this, but I don't have a scanner, or access to one. Haven't had the need since I've worked completely digitally for the past few years....>_<

Any suggestions to overcome this? I have an iPhone 4, which has a pretty decent camera on it... sweatdrop
I don't scan anything. I use my phone's camera.


Oh. Well, then. I suppose I have a solution, then. ^_^
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Oh, I'd love to participate in this, but I don't have a scanner, or access to one. Haven't had the need since I've worked completely digitally for the past few years....>_<

Any suggestions to overcome this? I have an iPhone 4, which has a pretty decent camera on it... sweatdrop
I don't scan anything. I use my phone's camera.


Oh. Well, then. I suppose I have a solution, then. ^_^
Yep. I'm still waiting for a quiz or two to come in for the Week 2 before I move on, so you may just catch up with us.
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Oh, I'd love to participate in this, but I don't have a scanner, or access to one. Haven't had the need since I've worked completely digitally for the past few years....>_<

Any suggestions to overcome this? I have an iPhone 4, which has a pretty decent camera on it... sweatdrop
I don't scan anything. I use my phone's camera.


Oh. Well, then. I suppose I have a solution, then. ^_^
Yep. I'm still waiting for a quiz or two to come in for the Week 2 before I move on, so you may just catch up with us.


Kk. Thanks! I should get started, then, shouldn't I? 4laugh
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Errol McGillivray
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Errol McGillivray
AkaiRingo
Oh, I'd love to participate in this, but I don't have a scanner, or access to one. Haven't had the need since I've worked completely digitally for the past few years....>_<

Any suggestions to overcome this? I have an iPhone 4, which has a pretty decent camera on it... sweatdrop
I don't scan anything. I use my phone's camera.


Oh. Well, then. I suppose I have a solution, then. ^_^
Yep. I'm still waiting for a quiz or two to come in for the Week 2 before I move on, so you may just catch up with us.


Kk. Thanks! I should get started, then, shouldn't I? 4laugh
Prelim takes 5 minutes to do at most. A very easy start.

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