Disastrous Catastrophe
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- Posted: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:53:48 +0000
I've seen many threads on this site, other sites, and many real life examples of this. Whenever people find ways that explain how something is not wrong, therefore capable of reducingthe "hate"/unacceptable level, many Christians find ways to try to counter them. I want to know why. These people are giving us opporitunities to welcome those who we never thought were welcome. They are giving us ways to help the world out by helping ourselves. They are giving us ways to love those who deserve to be loved and accepted by both us and society as a whole, so why are we denying them that?
Of course, the biggest debate is with homosexuality, so I will use that. People have given good/convincing proof on why homosexuality is not a sin or not bad, and yet, instead of welcoming it with open arms and open hearts, people insist upon finding ways to declare it false. I am not saying to just sit here and accept it for no reason. I think that you should research it and try to find the answer that you believe is correct. But you should try on behalf of wanting an excuse to love someone new, not deny it for the chance to keep bashing them. (This is not a debate on whether homosexuality is rigt or wrong. There are other threads for that - take them there. I was merely using homosexuality as an example - not discussion material.)
Do you love to hate? Do you love to be hated?
I know that I cannot talk to my mom about anything she thinks the bible disagrees with her views about. She tells me that I need to study the bible for myself more and stop feeding on what the "internetbooks/science crap" gives me. However, the internet/book/science crap has opened my eyes and my heart. In the end, I am not so much of a bitter, unaccepting person. Is that not what all these Gods seem to want?
I pretty much like everyone I associate with, and I don't hate anyone. Don't get me wrong - there are plenty of people that I do not like, but, in my opinion, it takes more energy to hate someone than it does to love them, like them, or dislike them. In the end, you've just wasted valuable time hating someone that you could have spent liking or loving someone else. I don't mind the internet/book/science crap.
But you know what had to happen first? I had to allow it to open my eyes. I had to welcome it with open arms and an open mind. The first step is not accepting it, but allowing it to enter your stream of thoughts.
I also want to know why Christians accept certain parts of the bible and not others. Leviticans is a popular defense, however, people have proven how it does not need to be followed and should not be. Why are we ignoring these? Is this part of the bible not good enough because it requires acceptance of more people? It requires loving more people? (Or maybe it just contradicts itself so much it's entirely impossible to follow? ^^)
Is hating really that much fun? (Note that I don't mean every case. I mean instances where one can learn more about something to make a decision rather than just doing whatever.)
So, again I ask why so many Christians are not willing to accept people when given the opporitunity.
Now, I am not saying to be gullible and believe everything that you see and hear. Common sense is good, no?
And this is also to the Christians who don't really "hate," bu disslike people such as gays and aborters and such who don't have a second (opposite) opinion to make a decision. Just disliking because that's what they have been taught to do.
Discuss:
~ Why so many people don't want to accept certain people when given a reasonable chance
~ Why so many people don't want to accept certain ideas " "
~ Why so many people keep trying to find ways to falsify these ideas/people when accpeting them could potentially make society a better place (especially when the evidence against is compelling)
~ What's so great/beneficial about not accepting people
~ Why you think God dislikes all these people and/or wants us to as well
~ Why they (certain people/ideas) are not worthy of being accepted (not "KOZ DA BIBEL SEZ SO!" Please, for Heaven's sake, use your own mind your religion is trying to steal from you)
~ Anything else pertaining to this thread
Do NOT discuss:
~ Random crap that has nothing to do with this thread.
heart
~DisasCatas
EDIT: I will clarify. The question is "Why don't so many Christians at least not seriously consider ways to stop the (counterproductive, in this case) hatred?" That is not implying that they have to ACCEPT the ways. My argument is, if they are presented with ways to possibly love and accept more people, then why do they just blow them off? If they look into it and decide that it is false, then that is fine. At least they considered it, right? They didn't just dismiss it as bologna {>.> why is it spelled like that...?)before they even tried to understand it. That's my point.
Of course, the biggest debate is with homosexuality, so I will use that. People have given good/convincing proof on why homosexuality is not a sin or not bad, and yet, instead of welcoming it with open arms and open hearts, people insist upon finding ways to declare it false. I am not saying to just sit here and accept it for no reason. I think that you should research it and try to find the answer that you believe is correct. But you should try on behalf of wanting an excuse to love someone new, not deny it for the chance to keep bashing them. (This is not a debate on whether homosexuality is rigt or wrong. There are other threads for that - take them there. I was merely using homosexuality as an example - not discussion material.)
Do you love to hate? Do you love to be hated?
I know that I cannot talk to my mom about anything she thinks the bible disagrees with her views about. She tells me that I need to study the bible for myself more and stop feeding on what the "internetbooks/science crap" gives me. However, the internet/book/science crap has opened my eyes and my heart. In the end, I am not so much of a bitter, unaccepting person. Is that not what all these Gods seem to want?
I pretty much like everyone I associate with, and I don't hate anyone. Don't get me wrong - there are plenty of people that I do not like, but, in my opinion, it takes more energy to hate someone than it does to love them, like them, or dislike them. In the end, you've just wasted valuable time hating someone that you could have spent liking or loving someone else. I don't mind the internet/book/science crap.
But you know what had to happen first? I had to allow it to open my eyes. I had to welcome it with open arms and an open mind. The first step is not accepting it, but allowing it to enter your stream of thoughts.
I also want to know why Christians accept certain parts of the bible and not others. Leviticans is a popular defense, however, people have proven how it does not need to be followed and should not be. Why are we ignoring these? Is this part of the bible not good enough because it requires acceptance of more people? It requires loving more people? (Or maybe it just contradicts itself so much it's entirely impossible to follow? ^^)
Is hating really that much fun? (Note that I don't mean every case. I mean instances where one can learn more about something to make a decision rather than just doing whatever.)
So, again I ask why so many Christians are not willing to accept people when given the opporitunity.
Now, I am not saying to be gullible and believe everything that you see and hear. Common sense is good, no?
And this is also to the Christians who don't really "hate," bu disslike people such as gays and aborters and such who don't have a second (opposite) opinion to make a decision. Just disliking because that's what they have been taught to do.
Discuss:
~ Why so many people don't want to accept certain people when given a reasonable chance
~ Why so many people don't want to accept certain ideas " "
~ Why so many people keep trying to find ways to falsify these ideas/people when accpeting them could potentially make society a better place (especially when the evidence against is compelling)
~ What's so great/beneficial about not accepting people
~ Why you think God dislikes all these people and/or wants us to as well
~ Why they (certain people/ideas) are not worthy of being accepted (not "KOZ DA BIBEL SEZ SO!" Please, for Heaven's sake, use your own mind your religion is trying to steal from you)
~ Anything else pertaining to this thread
Do NOT discuss:
~ Random crap that has nothing to do with this thread.
heart
~DisasCatas
EDIT: I will clarify. The question is "Why don't so many Christians at least not seriously consider ways to stop the (counterproductive, in this case) hatred?" That is not implying that they have to ACCEPT the ways. My argument is, if they are presented with ways to possibly love and accept more people, then why do they just blow them off? If they look into it and decide that it is false, then that is fine. At least they considered it, right? They didn't just dismiss it as bologna {>.> why is it spelled like that...?)before they even tried to understand it. That's my point.