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Wolfdude87

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Wolfdude87

I just ordered this. Going to do a before and after thing with it. Anyone have any experience using it?

I personally am against those products and I group them in the same category as steriods, because of the growth hormones it contains and even using that over time will cause health effects in life.

I'm more concerned with maintaining my health than puting unnatural things into my body to acheive a certain outward appearance and the price you'll pay is serious health issues down the road whether it be sooner or later.


I personally don't use products and or products like that. I'm much more healtheir being completely natural than using unnatural means of making myself to fit a certain image. biggrin

PS: If you're going to use that product, then you need to consult an actual doctor first.

M Stak is non-hormonal. Also, I don't really need to consult a doctor. I'm 100% healthy right now, in good shape, and young. If anyone can take it safely it's me.

When you have to ask about a product, you clearly don't know enough to use it safely on your own, despite the health issues you will face in the future from using products like these. That's just a fact.


Thinking your 100% healthy really means nothing when the label clearly says:


"Warnings:

This product contains an extremely powerful flavone and phytoecdysterone complex which may greatly boost performance and muscle size. Please consult your physician before using this product. Not for use by pregnant or nursing women. If you are under a physicians care for any reason, please consult your physician prior to use. Reduce or discontinue use if nervousness, tremors, sleeplessness, loss of appetite or nausea occur. Not for use by persons under 18. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN."


It does contain growth hormones and it is hormonal:


"Growth Hormone (hGH) Secretagogues:

L-Arginine Pyroglutamate: 2.5 g
L-Ornithine Aplha-Ketoglutarate: 1.3 g
Lysine: 1.2 g
(as lysine HCI)
Taurine: 750 mg
(as L-taurine)
Leucine: 100 mg
(as L-leucine)
Isoleucine: 50 mg
(as Liisoleucine)
Valine: 50 mg
(as L-valine)


Luteinizing Hormone (LH) Boosters
Tribulus Extract: 250 mg
(29% steroidal saponins)
Acetyl-L-Carnitine (ACL): 250 mg
Carnitine: 50 mg
(As L-carnitine)"


It's better to be natural than to pour products like these into the body that do have hormones, are anabolic and are steriodal, but to each their own.

I just think it says more about a perosn who doesn't need to take products and can do it on their own naturally. biggrin

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Wolfdude87

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Wolfdude87

I just ordered this. Going to do a before and after thing with it. Anyone have any experience using it?

I personally am against those products and I group them in the same category as steriods, because of the growth hormones it contains and even using that over time will cause health effects in life.

I'm more concerned with maintaining my health than puting unnatural things into my body to acheive a certain outward appearance and the price you'll pay is serious health issues down the road whether it be sooner or later.


I personally don't use products and or products like that. I'm much more healtheir being completely natural than using unnatural means of making myself to fit a certain image. biggrin

PS: If you're going to use that product, then you need to consult an actual doctor first.

M Stak is non-hormonal. Also, I don't really need to consult a doctor. I'm 100% healthy right now, in good shape, and young. If anyone can take it safely it's me.

The moment the guy thinks creatine and other concentration drugs are steroids, creatine is what mostly is used or well not mostly used but what a pre-workout really should have.
And creatine is a natural thing.

For those that can read, I clearly didn't say anything about creatine. biggrin


Somehting that is "naturally" occuring in the body is one thing, consuming it and products like it is another and therefore isn't natural. The human body produces what is needed, when a person begins to alter the natural process and puting more of something into the body, this not only creates health issues for the person, but also damaging their bodies internally as well.


Aside from creatine making muscles appear larger, due to the muscle filling with water, there are real health risks that anyone will face when they take products like as opposed to someone who goes the natural route and who wont face the health issues of those that choose to put these products into their body.

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Wolfdude87

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Wolfdude87

I just ordered this. Going to do a before and after thing with it. Anyone have any experience using it?

I personally am against those products and I group them in the same category as steriods, because of the growth hormones it contains and even using that over time will cause health effects in life.

I'm more concerned with maintaining my health than puting unnatural things into my body to acheive a certain outward appearance and the price you'll pay is serious health issues down the road whether it be sooner or later.


I personally don't use products and or products like that. I'm much more healtheir being completely natural than using unnatural means of making myself to fit a certain image. biggrin

PS: If you're going to use that product, then you need to consult an actual doctor first.

M Stak is non-hormonal. Also, I don't really need to consult a doctor. I'm 100% healthy right now, in good shape, and young. If anyone can take it safely it's me.

The moment the guy thinks creatine and other concentration drugs are steroids, creatine is what mostly is used or well not mostly used but what a pre-workout really should have.
And creatine is a natural thing.

For those that can read, I clearly didn't say anything about creatine. biggrin


Somehting that is "naturally" occuring in the body is one thing, consuming it and products like it is another and therefore isn't natural. The human body produces what is needed, when a person begins to alter the natural process and puting more of something into the body, this not only creates health issues for the person, but also damaging their bodies internally as well.


Aside from creatine making muscles appear larger, due to the muscle filling with water, there are real health risks that anyone will face when they take products like as opposed to someone who goes the natural route and who wont face the health issues of those that choose to put these products into their body.

Of course you didn't smile
But now a days, all these risks you talk about are the 2% of people that think, "Hey If I take 2 scoops ill gain more" This happened in the army and soldiers took 8 scoops of a pre-workout and ended up dieing. Anything to excessive use is bad for you. Us people that do want to gain muscle don't know all these risks but we are glad to take them for a good body.

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Wolfdude87

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Wolfdude87

I just ordered this. Going to do a before and after thing with it. Anyone have any experience using it?

I personally am against those products and I group them in the same category as steriods, because of the growth hormones it contains and even using that over time will cause health effects in life.

I'm more concerned with maintaining my health than puting unnatural things into my body to acheive a certain outward appearance and the price you'll pay is serious health issues down the road whether it be sooner or later.


I personally don't use products and or products like that. I'm much more healtheir being completely natural than using unnatural means of making myself to fit a certain image. biggrin

PS: If you're going to use that product, then you need to consult an actual doctor first.

M Stak is non-hormonal. Also, I don't really need to consult a doctor. I'm 100% healthy right now, in good shape, and young. If anyone can take it safely it's me.

The moment the guy thinks creatine and other concentration drugs are steroids, creatine is what mostly is used or well not mostly used but what a pre-workout really should have.
And creatine is a natural thing.

For those that can read, I clearly didn't say anything about creatine. biggrin


Somehting that is "naturally" occuring in the body is one thing, consuming it and products like it is another and therefore isn't natural. The human body produces what is needed, when a person begins to alter the natural process and puting more of something into the body, this not only creates health issues for the person, but also damaging their bodies internally as well.


Aside from creatine making muscles appear larger, due to the muscle filling with water, there are real health risks that anyone will face when they take products like as opposed to someone who goes the natural route and who wont face the health issues of those that choose to put these products into their body.

Of course you didn't smile
But now a days, all these risks you talk about are the 2% of people that think, "Hey If I take 2 scoops ill gain more" This happened in the army and soldiers took 8 scoops of a pre-workout and ended up dieing. Anything to excessive use is bad for you. Us people that do want to gain muscle don't know all these risks but we are glad to take them for a good body.

I'm a grown man, don't attempt to speak "for me" when what you wrote isn't what I was saying.

The facts are, people who choose to put these products in their body will face health issues.


Like I said, to each their own. Those that choose to be natural, however, I commend them as they don't need "products" to alter or change their bodies when they can do it naturally. biggrin

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Wolfdude87

M Stak is non-hormonal. Also, I don't really need to consult a doctor. I'm 100% healthy right now, in good shape, and young. If anyone can take it safely it's me.

The moment the guy thinks creatine and other concentration drugs are steroids, creatine is what mostly is used or well not mostly used but what a pre-workout really should have.
And creatine is a natural thing.

For those that can read, I clearly didn't say anything about creatine. biggrin


Somehting that is "naturally" occuring in the body is one thing, consuming it and products like it is another and therefore isn't natural. The human body produces what is needed, when a person begins to alter the natural process and puting more of something into the body, this not only creates health issues for the person, but also damaging their bodies internally as well.


Aside from creatine making muscles appear larger, due to the muscle filling with water, there are real health risks that anyone will face when they take products like as opposed to someone who goes the natural route and who wont face the health issues of those that choose to put these products into their body.

Of course you didn't smile
But now a days, all these risks you talk about are the 2% of people that think, "Hey If I take 2 scoops ill gain more" This happened in the army and soldiers took 8 scoops of a pre-workout and ended up dieing. Anything to excessive use is bad for you. Us people that do want to gain muscle don't know all these risks but we are glad to take them for a good body.

I'm a grown man, don't attempt to speak "for me" when what you wrote isn't what I was saying.

The facts are, people who choose to put these products in their body will face health issues.


Like I said, to each their own. Those that choose to be natural, however, I commend them as they don't need "products" to alter or change their bodies when they can do it naturally. biggrin

By you telling people to do natural bodybuilding with no products this is what comes up in my head and some other too:

Although that is old and they didn't know all the stuff we knew and have what we have now a days that's probably as far as you will get without any creatine supplements or whey protein drinks

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Wolfdude87

M Stak is non-hormonal. Also, I don't really need to consult a doctor. I'm 100% healthy right now, in good shape, and young. If anyone can take it safely it's me.

The moment the guy thinks creatine and other concentration drugs are steroids, creatine is what mostly is used or well not mostly used but what a pre-workout really should have.
And creatine is a natural thing.

For those that can read, I clearly didn't say anything about creatine. biggrin


Somehting that is "naturally" occuring in the body is one thing, consuming it and products like it is another and therefore isn't natural. The human body produces what is needed, when a person begins to alter the natural process and puting more of something into the body, this not only creates health issues for the person, but also damaging their bodies internally as well.


Aside from creatine making muscles appear larger, due to the muscle filling with water, there are real health risks that anyone will face when they take products like as opposed to someone who goes the natural route and who wont face the health issues of those that choose to put these products into their body.

Of course you didn't smile
But now a days, all these risks you talk about are the 2% of people that think, "Hey If I take 2 scoops ill gain more" This happened in the army and soldiers took 8 scoops of a pre-workout and ended up dieing. Anything to excessive use is bad for you. Us people that do want to gain muscle don't know all these risks but we are glad to take them for a good body.

I'm a grown man, don't attempt to speak "for me" when what you wrote isn't what I was saying.

The facts are, people who choose to put these products in their body will face health issues.


Like I said, to each their own. Those that choose to be natural, however, I commend them as they don't need "products" to alter or change their bodies when they can do it naturally. biggrin

By you telling people to do natural bodybuilding with no products this is what comes up in my head and some other too:

Although that is old and they didn't know all the stuff we knew and have what we have now a days that's probably as far as you will get without any creatine supplements or whey protein drinks

That's as far as I'd care to go honestly. Let's say the guy in the middle. But I'd like to say that I don't care to hear that you're a grown man. I'm also a grown man. Been an avid gym goer for 10 years. Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM. So I do know what I'm doing. I didn't start this thread for a lecture. I simply asked if anyone had used this product and if it really worked, or was worth the money.

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Wolfdude87

M Stak is non-hormonal. Also, I don't really need to consult a doctor. I'm 100% healthy right now, in good shape, and young. If anyone can take it safely it's me.

The moment the guy thinks creatine and other concentration drugs are steroids, creatine is what mostly is used or well not mostly used but what a pre-workout really should have.
And creatine is a natural thing.

For those that can read, I clearly didn't say anything about creatine. biggrin


Somehting that is "naturally" occuring in the body is one thing, consuming it and products like it is another and therefore isn't natural. The human body produces what is needed, when a person begins to alter the natural process and puting more of something into the body, this not only creates health issues for the person, but also damaging their bodies internally as well.


Aside from creatine making muscles appear larger, due to the muscle filling with water, there are real health risks that anyone will face when they take products like as opposed to someone who goes the natural route and who wont face the health issues of those that choose to put these products into their body.

Of course you didn't smile
But now a days, all these risks you talk about are the 2% of people that think, "Hey If I take 2 scoops ill gain more" This happened in the army and soldiers took 8 scoops of a pre-workout and ended up dieing. Anything to excessive use is bad for you. Us people that do want to gain muscle don't know all these risks but we are glad to take them for a good body.

I'm a grown man, don't attempt to speak "for me" when what you wrote isn't what I was saying.

The facts are, people who choose to put these products in their body will face health issues.


Like I said, to each their own. Those that choose to be natural, however, I commend them as they don't need "products" to alter or change their bodies when they can do it naturally. biggrin

By you telling people to do natural bodybuilding with no products this is what comes up in my head and some other too:

Although that is old and they didn't know all the stuff we knew and have what we have now a days that's probably as far as you will get without any creatine supplements or whey protein drinks

You should really work on your reading comprehension skills.


I clearly didn't "tell" anyone what to do. I clearly spoke for myself on why I personally choose to be completely natural and not puting unatural things in my body.

I clearly voiced facts around the use of said products and what will occur sooner or later when it comes to health and internal damage by those people that choose to put such products in their bodies.

I also clearly said, to each their own, but this is why I choose to be natural and I commend those that go the natural route as well. biggrin


PS: In reference tot he picture, at 6'10" 340 Lbs with 8.3 %, I'm actually bigger than the guys in the picture. However, I don't label myself as a "bodybuilder" I take the natural approach and for me, it's more about being healthy and in shape and by in shape, one example I'd use is being able to run a couple miles with out gassing A certian outward appearance is useless when you a person who is actually healthy can't even run 5 miles or more, because they have no endurance and no stamina. I don't need to put products in my body to acheive a certain outward apearance to make myself feel better about myself. I'm very secure so I don't have low self esteem or body image issues and I don't need to overcoompensate when I'm not lacking.

The way I look is natural with no need for products to make me aapear "bigger" so as I said, to each their own, but the facts remain and health issues and health problems will arise in those peoples lives who choose to put such products in their body and that's all I was saying. biggrin

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For those that can read, I clearly didn't say anything about creatine. biggrin


Somehting that is "naturally" occuring in the body is one thing, consuming it and products like it is another and therefore isn't natural. The human body produces what is needed, when a person begins to alter the natural process and puting more of something into the body, this not only creates health issues for the person, but also damaging their bodies internally as well.


Aside from creatine making muscles appear larger, due to the muscle filling with water, there are real health risks that anyone will face when they take products like as opposed to someone who goes the natural route and who wont face the health issues of those that choose to put these products into their body.

Of course you didn't smile
But now a days, all these risks you talk about are the 2% of people that think, "Hey If I take 2 scoops ill gain more" This happened in the army and soldiers took 8 scoops of a pre-workout and ended up dieing. Anything to excessive use is bad for you. Us people that do want to gain muscle don't know all these risks but we are glad to take them for a good body.

I'm a grown man, don't attempt to speak "for me" when what you wrote isn't what I was saying.

The facts are, people who choose to put these products in their body will face health issues.


Like I said, to each their own. Those that choose to be natural, however, I commend them as they don't need "products" to alter or change their bodies when they can do it naturally. biggrin

By you telling people to do natural bodybuilding with no products this is what comes up in my head and some other too:

Although that is old and they didn't know all the stuff we knew and have what we have now a days that's probably as far as you will get without any creatine supplements or whey protein drinks

That's as far as I'd care to go honestly. Let's say the guy in the middle. But I'd like to say that I don't care to hear that you're a grown man. I'm also a grown man. Been an avid gym goer for 10 years. Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM. So I do know what I'm doing. I didn't start this thread for a lecture. I simply asked if anyone had used this product and if it really worked, or was worth the money.

Maybe you should reread who I quoted when I said "I'm a grown man..." because clearly, I wasn't talking to you so no need to sound "tough" on a website. biggrin

Yes, I can see how you clearly know what you're doing when you have to ask about a product.


If someone is to make a claim that they are a personal trainer certified by National Academy of Sports Medicine, then they should already have knowledge on the product. wahmbulance

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For those that can read, I clearly didn't say anything about creatine. biggrin


Somehting that is "naturally" occuring in the body is one thing, consuming it and products like it is another and therefore isn't natural. The human body produces what is needed, when a person begins to alter the natural process and puting more of something into the body, this not only creates health issues for the person, but also damaging their bodies internally as well.


Aside from creatine making muscles appear larger, due to the muscle filling with water, there are real health risks that anyone will face when they take products like as opposed to someone who goes the natural route and who wont face the health issues of those that choose to put these products into their body.

Of course you didn't smile
But now a days, all these risks you talk about are the 2% of people that think, "Hey If I take 2 scoops ill gain more" This happened in the army and soldiers took 8 scoops of a pre-workout and ended up dieing. Anything to excessive use is bad for you. Us people that do want to gain muscle don't know all these risks but we are glad to take them for a good body.

I'm a grown man, don't attempt to speak "for me" when what you wrote isn't what I was saying.

The facts are, people who choose to put these products in their body will face health issues.


Like I said, to each their own. Those that choose to be natural, however, I commend them as they don't need "products" to alter or change their bodies when they can do it naturally. biggrin

By you telling people to do natural bodybuilding with no products this is what comes up in my head and some other too:

Although that is old and they didn't know all the stuff we knew and have what we have now a days that's probably as far as you will get without any creatine supplements or whey protein drinks

That's as far as I'd care to go honestly. Let's say the guy in the middle. But I'd like to say that I don't care to hear that you're a grown man. I'm also a grown man. Been an avid gym goer for 10 years. Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM. So I do know what I'm doing. I didn't start this thread for a lecture. I simply asked if anyone had used this product and if it really worked, or was worth the money.

Maybe you should reread who I quoted when I said "I'm a grown man..." because clearly, I wasn't talking to you so no need to sound "tough" on a website. biggrin

Yes, I can see how you clearly know what you're doing when you have to ask about a product.


If someone is to make a claim that they are a personal trainer certified by National Academy of Sports Medicine, then they should already have knowledge on the product. wahmbulance

Don't be immature, I'm not trying to sound tough I'm just explaining my credentials. Also, I'm not NASM certified, I just read the text book, test was an extra $100 I didn't have. Also that wouldn't give me knowledge of a specific product. Also, I feel as though after using it for one week, the results are undeniable, don't know if I'll use it after one cycle but it's pretty great.

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I'm a grown man, don't attempt to speak "for me" when what you wrote isn't what I was saying.

The facts are, people who choose to put these products in their body will face health issues.


Like I said, to each their own. Those that choose to be natural, however, I commend them as they don't need "products" to alter or change their bodies when they can do it naturally. biggrin

By you telling people to do natural bodybuilding with no products this is what comes up in my head and some other too:

Although that is old and they didn't know all the stuff we knew and have what we have now a days that's probably as far as you will get without any creatine supplements or whey protein drinks

That's as far as I'd care to go honestly. Let's say the guy in the middle. But I'd like to say that I don't care to hear that you're a grown man. I'm also a grown man. Been an avid gym goer for 10 years. Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM. So I do know what I'm doing. I didn't start this thread for a lecture. I simply asked if anyone had used this product and if it really worked, or was worth the money.

Maybe you should reread who I quoted when I said "I'm a grown man..." because clearly, I wasn't talking to you so no need to sound "tough" on a website. biggrin

Yes, I can see how you clearly know what you're doing when you have to ask about a product.


If someone is to make a claim that they are a personal trainer certified by National Academy of Sports Medicine, then they should already have knowledge on the product. wahmbulance

Don't be immature, I'm not trying to sound tough I'm just explaining my credentials. Also, I'm not NASM certified, I just read the text book, test was an extra $100 I didn't have. Also that wouldn't give me knowledge of a specific product. Also, I feel as though after using it for one week, the results are undeniable, don't know if I'll use it after one cycle but it's pretty great.

You went from:

"Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM."


To now:

"Also, I'm not NASM certified, I just read the text book, test was an extra $100 I didn't have."


Actually you have no credentials, because you don't have any certificaiton. eek


As a personal trainer, it would be their job to "know".


I digress, what people put into their body is their business, but for those that choose to be natural, then it goes to show with dedication and not seeking a quick fix, their achievement has more meaning. Especially to know they can do it on their own and not have the need to use such products.

I'm glad to be natural, but to each their own as I always say and good day. biggrin

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Wolfdude87

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Wolfdude87

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I'm a grown man, don't attempt to speak "for me" when what you wrote isn't what I was saying.

The facts are, people who choose to put these products in their body will face health issues.


Like I said, to each their own. Those that choose to be natural, however, I commend them as they don't need "products" to alter or change their bodies when they can do it naturally. biggrin

By you telling people to do natural bodybuilding with no products this is what comes up in my head and some other too:

Although that is old and they didn't know all the stuff we knew and have what we have now a days that's probably as far as you will get without any creatine supplements or whey protein drinks

That's as far as I'd care to go honestly. Let's say the guy in the middle. But I'd like to say that I don't care to hear that you're a grown man. I'm also a grown man. Been an avid gym goer for 10 years. Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM. So I do know what I'm doing. I didn't start this thread for a lecture. I simply asked if anyone had used this product and if it really worked, or was worth the money.

Maybe you should reread who I quoted when I said "I'm a grown man..." because clearly, I wasn't talking to you so no need to sound "tough" on a website. biggrin

Yes, I can see how you clearly know what you're doing when you have to ask about a product.


If someone is to make a claim that they are a personal trainer certified by National Academy of Sports Medicine, then they should already have knowledge on the product. wahmbulance

Don't be immature, I'm not trying to sound tough I'm just explaining my credentials. Also, I'm not NASM certified, I just read the text book, test was an extra $100 I didn't have. Also that wouldn't give me knowledge of a specific product. Also, I feel as though after using it for one week, the results are undeniable, don't know if I'll use it after one cycle but it's pretty great.

You went from:

"Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM."


To now:

"Also, I'm not NASM certified, I just read the text book, test was an extra $100 I didn't have."


Actually you have no credentials, because you don't have any certificaiton. eek


As a personal trainer, it would be their job to "know".


I digress, what people put into their body is their business, but for those that choose to be natural, then it goes to show with dedication and not seeking a quick fix, their achievement has more meaning. Especially to know they can do it on their own and not have the need to use such products.

I'm glad to be natural, but to each their own as I always say and good day. biggrin

Wow, don't get all superior to me buddy. What are your credentials? I paid $300 for the course, textbook, and all. I'm not a professional personal trainer because I make more money in my career, and at the time I was a college student with a better use for the rest of that money. 10 years of experience, NASM class, professional grade training throughout high school and college sports. Those are credentials.

You want to stay natural? Do it. Good for you. But nowadays that's not even the norm. If you want serious gains, supplements are necessary. And again, I did my research on the product, I was hoping to talk to someone here who had experience with it. I appreciate the judgment though. Super helpful.

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Wolfdude87

That's as far as I'd care to go honestly. Let's say the guy in the middle. But I'd like to say that I don't care to hear that you're a grown man. I'm also a grown man. Been an avid gym goer for 10 years. Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM. So I do know what I'm doing. I didn't start this thread for a lecture. I simply asked if anyone had used this product and if it really worked, or was worth the money.

Maybe you should reread who I quoted when I said "I'm a grown man..." because clearly, I wasn't talking to you so no need to sound "tough" on a website. biggrin

Yes, I can see how you clearly know what you're doing when you have to ask about a product.


If someone is to make a claim that they are a personal trainer certified by National Academy of Sports Medicine, then they should already have knowledge on the product. wahmbulance

Don't be immature, I'm not trying to sound tough I'm just explaining my credentials. Also, I'm not NASM certified, I just read the text book, test was an extra $100 I didn't have. Also that wouldn't give me knowledge of a specific product. Also, I feel as though after using it for one week, the results are undeniable, don't know if I'll use it after one cycle but it's pretty great.

You went from:

"Took a personal trainer course 3 years ago through NASM."


To now:

"Also, I'm not NASM certified, I just read the text book, test was an extra $100 I didn't have."


Actually you have no credentials, because you don't have any certificaiton. eek


As a personal trainer, it would be their job to "know".


I digress, what people put into their body is their business, but for those that choose to be natural, then it goes to show with dedication and not seeking a quick fix, their achievement has more meaning. Especially to know they can do it on their own and not have the need to use such products.

I'm glad to be natural, but to each their own as I always say and good day. biggrin

Wow, don't get all superior to me buddy. What are your credentials? I paid $300 for the course, textbook, and all. I'm not a professional personal trainer because I make more money in my career, and at the time I was a college student with a better use for the rest of that money. 10 years of experience, NASM class, professional grade training throughout high school and college sports. Those are credentials.

You want to stay natural? Do it. Good for you. But nowadays that's not even the norm. If you want serious gains, supplements are necessary. And again, I did my research on the product, I was hoping to talk to someone here who had experience with it. I appreciate the judgment though. Super helpful.

Usually when people speak of credentials, they refer to:

Credentails - Evidence of authority, status, rights, entitlement to privileges, or the like, usually in written form: Only those with the proper credentials are admitted.

Paperwork/documentation are credentials not what someone says or claims.


If you needed surgery, would you let someone operate on you if they implied or claimed they were a surgeon without actual documentation of it? I wouldn't.That being said, what you wrote can be misconstrued as if you were saying and or implying you were a personal trainer. If you can understand now.

As for my credentials, I'm not the one who has made claim to anything or implied, but if I did, I would show actual credentials as in reference to what I was claiming.


Lastly, thanks and I sure will. razz

[Headybear]

It'll make you a lot hungrier. It helps with breakdown and nutrition partitioning, but unless you're really having a hard time choking down food to gain significant size, it's a take-it-or-leave-it kind of thing.

The difference between M-stak and the Animal Stak (without the M) is that the M-stak doesn't have anything that is oriented towards testosterone or cortisol issues. (Although these are debatable in that the science is very fuzzy on them.)


At the very least, M-stak helps break down and also lets your body better use the food you're eating. That efficiency leads you to be a lot hungrier.

Good to try out, but don't get your hopes too high.

[Fryderyk Chopin]

I find this brand to be horribly overpriced for what little it does.

Really, nowadays, I think considering the standards most people want to reach these days, eating big and eating smart will get them the results if they do their training right.

As real bodybuilders would say, the most anabolic things in the world are sleep and food.

If you really want to dabble in the hormonal stuff, do the real things, not the training wheels stuff.

[Wolfdude87]

You can get it for about half price online, so I didn't worry about the price, and the results were very good. I gained about 2lb while cutting a ton a of fat. My bench press went up about 40lb. I actually started taking Animal Cuts lately as well, it's only been a few days but I think it's working.