Why Kristen Stewart?

[Nekoei]

MuffinTheOrphan

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MuffinTheOrphan

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Monoky

She is a horrible actress and can't play Bella Swan right at all.

Omfg i totally agree with this girl right her!

Why do you think she couldn't play Bella right?

Because of the way she acts all the time! stare

We're talking about her acting within the context of the movie, not how she acts when the paparazzi catches up with her, not at movie premiers, but while she was Bella. What did she do that you found made her not a great choice for the part?

Although Bella, in the book, is meant to be a blank character that anyone can insert themselves into, that shouldn't have been the case in the film. In the book, Bella actually goes through a wide range of emotions, visually and internally. Her own mother, Renee, called Bella her "open book". That would suggest that Bella, in the book, shows emotions other than "dazzled" from time to time.

Kristen Stewart, as an actress, can't seem to unfreeze her face.

[Scoot McCallMeMaybe]

Nekoei

MuffinTheOrphan

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MuffinTheOrphan

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Monoky

She is a horrible actress and can't play Bella Swan right at all.

Omfg i totally agree with this girl right her!

Why do you think she couldn't play Bella right?

Because of the way she acts all the time! stare

We're talking about her acting within the context of the movie, not how she acts when the paparazzi catches up with her, not at movie premiers, but while she was Bella. What did she do that you found made her not a great choice for the part?

Although Bella, in the book, is meant to be a blank character that anyone can insert themselves into, that shouldn't have been the case in the film. In the book, Bella actually goes through a wide range of emotions, visually and internally. Her own mother, Renee, called Bella her "open book". That would suggest that Bella, in the book, shows emotions other than "dazzled" from time to time.

Kristen Stewart, as an actress, can't seem to unfreeze her face.

Why not? Bella has no character if she's a blank slate. There's no way to add character where there is not one and if they tried any harder than they did, people would say that Kristen sucked because she wasn't playing Bella.

How can she go through a range of emotions visually? The girl can't find her own lips and doesn't know when she's crying or breathing, how would she properly convey an emotion on her face (not taking into account that we can't see her face) ?

[Celestine9]

MuffinTheOrphan

And how was Bella supposed to be played? Bella is a card board cut out, a character who people could insert themselves as. Kristen played a empty character rather well, considering there wasn't much there to go with in the first place.

[Cholix-chan]

I heard she did much better at acting in "Snow White and the Huntsman"...

[TingTing26]

Minerva de Sade

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Because Meyer hand picked her.

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Stewart was picked because she resembled Bella in Meyer's mind. Regardless of her acting ability, I think she did a pretty good Bella considering she was playing a character who can't find basic features of her face on a regular basis.

KStew pretty much had nothing to work with to start with either, considering Bella is very much a character that a reader is supposed to "insert themselves" into."

I think she played Bella pretty well. But I guess she's not that good of an actress.

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ChocoHeartMacchiato

I think she played Bella pretty well. But I guess she's not that good of an actress.

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Well, that's opinion. I don't think acting ability has a well-defined scale of who's good and who's bad. It's really all opinion.

With Bella though, the point I was trying to make was that she really didn't have a personality or anything beyond Edward and trying to make herself a martyr. :/ So, it's not like Kristen Stewart had a TON of information to work with.

I honestly don't think many actors would have been able to pull Bella Swan off with what limited information Meyer presents about her.

[TingTing26]

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ChocoHeartMacchiato

I think she played Bella pretty well. But I guess she's not that good of an actress.

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Well, that's opinion. I don't think acting ability has a well-defined scale of who's good and who's bad. It's really all opinion.

With Bella though, the point I was trying to make was that she really didn't have a personality or anything beyond Edward and trying to make herself a martyr. :/ So, it's not like Kristen Stewart had a TON of information to work with.

I honestly don't think many actors would have been able to pull Bella Swan off with what limited information Meyer presents about her.

Yeah I agree with you.. The book really doesn't give much info on what kind of person Bella is.

[Cholix-chan]

ChocoHeartMacchiato

Minerva de Sade

ChocoHeartMacchiato

I think she played Bella pretty well. But I guess she's not that good of an actress.

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Well, that's opinion. I don't think acting ability has a well-defined scale of who's good and who's bad. It's really all opinion.

With Bella though, the point I was trying to make was that she really didn't have a personality or anything beyond Edward and trying to make herself a martyr. :/ So, it's not like Kristen Stewart had a TON of information to work with.

I honestly don't think many actors would have been able to pull Bella Swan off with what limited information Meyer presents about her.

Yeah I agree with you.. The book really doesn't give much info on what kind of person Bella is.

Except all we know Bella is self-centered, whiny, bitchy, snobby, backstabbing psychopath.

[Chombi]

To me bella was written as just a normal perhaps somewhat bored with her life type of girl, possibly a little depressed. To say that she was a cardboard cookie cutter type of person its just baffling. Alot of people are like this in real life, they hardly ever smile, they are a bit depressed that their parents are split up and their mom is going off on an adventure while they have to go and live in forks of all places. When i was reading the book I could really relate, im not that outgoing, im pale and awkward , long dark brown tangly hair. I thought the character was played fairly deacent, but alot of girls can play the character because it doesnt take much to act like you are bored with your life.

But there were parts like when she was in danger that really stick out in my mind and make me truly feel that she is a good actor.



I love the part where he breaks her leg and she screams, it gives me chills.

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To me bella was written as just a normal perhaps somewhat bored with her life type of girl, possibly a little depressed.



That's the thing about reading. Everyone gets a different opinion when they read the same book. While you think she was "bored with her life", I think she was "white middle class girl complaining about everything in her life that most people might consider a good thing."

I'm not, however, trying to say that your view is "wrong", because it's no less wrong than mine is. I just looked at it differently. 3nodding



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To say that she was a cardboard cookie cutter type of person its just baffling.



Not really. Meyer herself said she was meant to be the "everyday girl", a character people could 'slip into' and 'become' in a sense. If 'anyone' could become this character, she has to be pretty nondescript, wouldn't you agree? That's one of the lures of Twilight, that you, the reader, are supposed to become Bella and live her story. If you gave Bella a description from the very beginning, she would become her own character, and Twilight would lose that lure. That covers 'cardboard'.

As for 'cookie cutter', she has pretty much the same formula as every other 'girl meets vampire and they fall in LUV~', with TONS more whiny, mopey, self-martyrdom. She also fits the description of a 'Mary Sue'. (Another definition. Note how Twilight's mentioned as a prime example.)

If you've never come across one of these literary monsters, I suggest you go diving into some bad fanfiction.



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Alot of people are like this in real life, they hardly ever smile, they are a bit depressed that their parents are split up and their mom is going off on an adventure while they have to go and live in forks of all places.



I know people who are depressed, I know people who don't really smile (although I fix that REAL QUICK. ;3), I know people who's parents split up (I'm one of them), and I know people who go off on 'adventures', although few have gone to Forks.

What I don't see, thank Sithis, is people who are willing to throw themselves off a cliff because their boyfriend of a few months left them. I don't see people going into emotional comas that last, and last, and last over their boyfriend of a few months.

Bella may be believable to you, but I find lots of her behaviors to not be realistic of an 'everyday' teenager at ALL.



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When i was reading the book I could really relate, im not that outgoing, im pale and awkward , long dark brown tangly hair.



So was I. neutral There aren't that many teenagers who don't think of themselves as 'awkward' or 'weird'. That's nothing new. And I lived in a small town in Nevada (Think of Forks with less trees and more casinos and hookers.), split up parents, I had long brown hair, was pale because I didn't like to go outside in the sand much, was awkward because I didn't have many friends....but, I still couldn't relate to Bella. Yes, I had some self-worth issues, but Bella Swan made me sick to my stomach. And when I found out I was supposed to relate to this whiny, ungrateful, mopey little trout, I wasn't thrilled. I was mortified.

How could Meyer think of her fanbase as so self-loathing that she has the main character insult herself on a daily basis?



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I thought the character was played fairly deacent, but alot of girls can play the character because it doesnt take much to act like you are bored with your life.



I agree that Bella was decently done, but I think it's because KStew didn't have much to work with. I mean, we don't even find out she has brown hair until Eclipse. It's hard to act as a character with close to nothing to go on.



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But there were parts like when she was in danger that really stick out in my mind and make me truly feel that she is a good actor.

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I love the part where he breaks her leg and she screams, it gives me chills.



I'm glad you liked parts of the movie. 3nodding

Although, as an aside, if I could make some suggestions? I was reading your post and it was a little difficult for me. sweatdrop If you could only put one space after your periods instead of two, I'd be grateful. And "a lot" is two words. 3nodding

I don't mean to offend, grammar is something I like to abide by.

[Chombi]

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Chombi

To me bella was written as just a normal perhaps somewhat bored with her life type of girl, possibly a little depressed.



That's the thing about reading. Everyone gets a different opinion when they read the same book. While you think she was "bored with her life", I think she was "white middle class girl complaining about everything in her life that most people might consider a good thing."

I'm not, however, trying to say that your view is "wrong", because it's no less wrong than mine is. I just looked at it differently. 3nodding



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To say that she was a cardboard cookie cutter type of person its just baffling.



Not really. Meyer herself said she was meant to be the "everyday girl", a character people could 'slip into' and 'become' in a sense. If 'anyone' could become this character, she has to be pretty nondescript, wouldn't you agree? That's one of the lures of Twilight, that you, the reader, are supposed to become Bella and live her story. If you gave Bella a description from the very beginning, she would become her own character, and Twilight would lose that lure. That covers 'cardboard'.

As for 'cookie cutter', she has pretty much the same formula as every other 'girl meets vampire and they fall in LUV~', with TONS more whiny, mopey, self-martyrdom. She also fits the description of a 'Mary Sue'. (Another definition. Note how Twilight's mentioned as a prime example.)

If you've never come across one of these literary monsters, I suggest you go diving into some bad fanfiction.



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Alot of people are like this in real life, they hardly ever smile, they are a bit depressed that their parents are split up and their mom is going off on an adventure while they have to go and live in forks of all places.



I know people who are depressed, I know people who don't really smile (although I fix that REAL QUICK. ;3), I know people who's parents split up (I'm one of them), and I know people who go off on 'adventures', although few have gone to Forks.

What I don't see, thank Sithis, is people who are willing to throw themselves off a cliff because their boyfriend of a few months left them. I don't see people going into emotional comas that last, and last, and last over their boyfriend of a few months.

Bella may be believable to you, but I find lots of her behaviors to not be realistic of an 'everyday' teenager at ALL.



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When i was reading the book I could really relate, im not that outgoing, im pale and awkward , long dark brown tangly hair.



So was I. neutral There aren't that many teenagers who don't think of themselves as 'awkward' or 'weird'. That's nothing new. And I lived in a small town in Nevada (Think of Forks with less trees and more casinos and hookers.), split up parents, I had long brown hair, was pale because I didn't like to go outside in the sand much, was awkward because I didn't have many friends....but, I still couldn't relate to Bella. Yes, I had some self-worth issues, but Bella Swan made me sick to my stomach. And when I found out I was supposed to relate to this whiny, ungrateful, mopey little trout, I wasn't thrilled. I was mortified.

How could Meyer think of her fanbase as so self-loathing that she has the main character insult herself on a daily basis?



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I thought the character was played fairly deacent, but alot of girls can play the character because it doesnt take much to act like you are bored with your life.



I agree that Bella was decently done, but I think it's because KStew didn't have much to work with. I mean, we don't even find out she has brown hair until Eclipse. It's hard to act as a character with close to nothing to go on.



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But there were parts like when she was in danger that really stick out in my mind and make me truly feel that she is a good actor.

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I love the part where he breaks her leg and she screams, it gives me chills.



I'm glad you liked parts of the movie. 3nodding

Although, as an aside, if I could make some suggestions? I was reading your post and it was a little difficult for me. sweatdrop If you could only put one space after your periods instead of two, I'd be grateful. And "a lot" is two words. 3nodding

I don't mean to offend, grammar is something I like to abide by.

1. white middle class girl complaining about her life that most people would think is a good thing, sounds like bored with her life with more detail....same thing...

2. Anyways shes a realistic character to me, because im sort of the same. Not every heroin of a book has to be strong willed, reality isnt like that there are weak women in the world who are these so called mary sues as you put it. I also think she does have personality, it may not be very interesting to you but she has some individual traits and a background story so she isnt a blank character.

3. I've been emotional about my boyfriend a few times, teenaged girls freak out about everything, are you saying that a teenager has never in their life had an emotional melt down over a guy before? Some people have even killed themselves over their boyfriends or girlfriends. Lets also get this one thing straight, she didnt jump off the cliff because she was having an emotional meltdown over her boyfriend, she jumped off because it gave her a rush, she didnt know that the current was going to be that strong and she had seen other people doing it before so in her eyes just like riding the motor cycle, it was dangerous but it wasnt going to kill her.

4.Some girls are whiney little trouts, you cant say that there isnt atleast one person who exists that isnt personality wise like that. Also she didnt have a fan base for twilight when she was writing the story, maybe she based it off someones behaviors that she knew or herself as a teenager, who knows.

5.In the first chapter after she gets into her room at her dads for the first time and before school it says
"I should be tan , sporty, blond, a volleyball player, or a cheerleader perhaps. All the things that go with living in the valley of the sun. Instead I was icory skinned, without even the excuse of blue eyes or red hair, despite the constant sunshine. I had always been slender , but soft somehow, obviously not an athlete; I didnt have the necessary hand -eye cordination to play sports without humiliating myself and harmingboth myself and anyone else who stood too close. "

So means she isnt blond and shes obviously not red haired with blue eyes. That leaves? Black or brown? Hmm what other colors do hair have? Its like that one card game where you say "Its not a man, doesnt have dark skin, doesnt have blue eyes, doesnt have blond or red hair" I think the name of the game was guess who. Point being it doesnt take a ten year old to guess what color hair she has.

6. Im very sorry that you are a grammar nazi, but I have a learning disorder and im lucky to even have this much writing skill since I couldnt even read until the age of 13.

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1. white middle class girl complaining about her life that most people would think is a good thing, sounds like bored with her life with more detail....same thing...



Um, not exactly? When you see "someone bored with their life", I see "a girl with privlige bitching about how awesome her life is and how much it sucks."

I would have killed to have a father like Charlie who actually gives two shits about me. I would have loved it if said father bought me a truck as a gift, no matter how old it was. I would have loved to moved to a place where it rains all the time (even though it's been proven that Forks isn't like that), ect.

Bella has all this going for her, and yet she still bitches about everything. That hardly seems right to me. And you'd think she'd be happy about at least one thing in her life.



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2. Anyways shes a realistic character to me, because im sort of the same. Not every heroin of a book has to be strong willed, reality isnt like that there are weak women in the world who are these so called mary sues as you put it. I also think she does have personality, it may not be very interesting to you but she has some individual traits and a background story so she isnt a blank character.



I never said that every heroine has to be "strong-willed". I just think that every "heroine" should have some "heroic" qualities. Bella has none. She literally has no good qualities that could be considered "heroic" in any sense. She's whiny, manipulative, and she constantly tries to portray herself as a martyr, when she so clearly is not.

I did NOT say that there are not weak women in "reality" (even though we're talking about a fanatsy book, so I fail to see where you can bring "reality" into it.), and I never said she was "blank" either. I said she was "nondescript", which is not the same thing. "Nondescript" means "lacking description", which I meant in the physical sense, as in appearance. I also never said she didn't have any personality. I just said it was a rotten one.



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3. I've been emotional about my boyfriend a few times, teenaged girls freak out about everything, are you saying that a teenager has never in their life had an emotional melt down over a guy before? Some people have even killed themselves over their boyfriends or girlfriends. Lets also get this one thing straight, she didnt jump off the cliff because she was having an emotional meltdown over her boyfriend, she jumped off because it gave her a rush, she didnt know that the current was going to be that strong and she had seen other people doing it before so in her eyes just like riding the motor cycle, it was dangerous but it wasnt going to kill her.



Yes, people get emotional. I never said they didn't. What I said was people don't get emotional like Bella. Yes, teenagers get emotional and have breakdowns and such. I've been there, I know. But you know what they do after? They watch some crappy movies, they eat some ice cream, they go and hang out with their friends, and they get over it. NOT go into an emotional coma for months on end and throw a tantrum when their father, bless Charlie's heart, can't take it anymore and offers to ship them back home to their mother for their own mental health.

As for the jumping off the cliff, Bella did it so she could hear Edward's voice in her head. The rush gave her that voice. She wanted to hear Edward's voice because she was having an emotional meltdown over Edward dumping her. So, yes, she did jump off the cliff because Edward left. And she knew that if she didn't do it right she was going to die. So, what does she do? She goes and jumps off the cliff by herself. She was lucky Jacob was there or she would have died.



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4.Some girls are whiney little trouts, you cant say that there isnt atleast one person who exists that isnt personality wise like that. Also she didnt have a fan base for twilight when she was writing the story, maybe she based it off someones behaviors that she knew or herself as a teenager, who knows.



Again, I never said there wasn't someone actually like that. I just said that if Bella is supposed to be someone the reader can slip into and become, that she's an 'everyday teen', it's rather insulting that Meyer seems to think that all teenagers (or even her fanbase) are like that.



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5.In the first chapter after she gets into her room at her dads for the first time and before school it says
"I should be tan , sporty, blond, a volleyball player, or a cheerleader perhaps. All the things that go with living in the valley of the sun. Instead I was icory skinned, without even the excuse of blue eyes or red hair, despite the constant sunshine. I had always been slender , but soft somehow, obviously not an athlete; I didnt have the necessary hand -eye cordination to play sports without humiliating myself and harmingboth myself and anyone else who stood too close. "

So means she isnt blond and shes obviously not red haired with blue eyes. That leaves? Black or brown? Hmm what other colors do hair have? Its like that one card game where you say "Its not a man, doesnt have dark skin, doesnt have blue eyes, doesnt have blond or red hair" I think the name of the game was guess who. Point being it doesnt take a ten year old to guess what color hair she has.



Ever hear of hair dye? Her hair could have been pink for all we know. Red, blond, black, and brown are not the only colors hair could be. I've seen some crazy colors. Meyer could have, and this would have been easier mind you, just came out and said her hair was brown, rather than being vague.



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6. Im very sorry that you are a grammar nazi, but I have a learning disorder and im lucky to even have this much writing skill since I couldnt even read until the age of 13.



There's no need to be so glubbin' defensive. I was just pointing out that it was hard for me to read. There's no need to pull out the 'grammar nazi' card. Because what I said wasn't 'grammar nazi'. I pointed out two of your many mistakes. And they were obvious ones.

Should you like to see me be a 'grammar nazi', I shall happily oblige.

And just because you have a learning disorder (and I have no real reason to believe someone on the internet telling me that, and I don't mean any offense by that.), it doesn't give you an excuse to type poorly. If someone offers a suggestion to how to improve your writing, you could, at the very least, tell them "thank you", and correct yourself. That's how you learn.

My mother was dyslexic, and she taught me how to read at the age of three, by the way. She made an effort for me to teach herself as well. She didn't read fast, but she could still read, and know when she makes mistakes. And she at least makes an effort to correct herself and learn from it.

[Chombi]

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1. white middle class girl complaining about her life that most people would think is a good thing, sounds like bored with her life with more detail....same thing...



Um, not exactly? When you see "someone bored with their life", I see "a girl with privlige bitching about how awesome her life is and how much it sucks."

I would have killed to have a father like Charlie who actually gives two shits about me. I would have loved it if said father bought me a truck as a gift, no matter how old it was. I would have loved to moved to a place where it rains all the time (even though it's been proven that Forks isn't like that), ect.

Bella has all this going for her, and yet she still bitches about everything. That hardly seems right to me. And you'd think she'd be happy about at least one thing in her life.



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2. Anyways shes a realistic character to me, because im sort of the same. Not every heroin of a book has to be strong willed, reality isnt like that there are weak women in the world who are these so called mary sues as you put it. I also think she does have personality, it may not be very interesting to you but she has some individual traits and a background story so she isnt a blank character.



I never said that every heroine has to be "strong-willed". I just think that every "heroine" should have some "heroic" qualities. Bella has none. She literally has no good qualities that could be considered "heroic" in any sense. She's whiny, manipulative, and she constantly tries to portray herself as a martyr, when she so clearly is not.

I did NOT say that there are not weak women in "reality" (even though we're talking about a fanatsy book, so I fail to see where you can bring "reality" into it.), and I never said she was "blank" either. I said she was "nondescript", which is not the same thing. "Nondescript" means "lacking description", which I meant in the physical sense, as in appearance. I also never said she didn't have any personality. I just said it was a rotten one.



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3. I've been emotional about my boyfriend a few times, teenaged girls freak out about everything, are you saying that a teenager has never in their life had an emotional melt down over a guy before? Some people have even killed themselves over their boyfriends or girlfriends. Lets also get this one thing straight, she didnt jump off the cliff because she was having an emotional meltdown over her boyfriend, she jumped off because it gave her a rush, she didnt know that the current was going to be that strong and she had seen other people doing it before so in her eyes just like riding the motor cycle, it was dangerous but it wasnt going to kill her.



Yes, people get emotional. I never said they didn't. What I said was people don't get emotional like Bella. Yes, teenagers get emotional and have breakdowns and such. I've been there, I know. But you know what they do after? They watch some crappy movies, they eat some ice cream, they go and hang out with their friends, and they get over it. NOT go into an emotional coma for months on end and throw a tantrum when their father, bless Charlie's heart, can't take it anymore and offers to ship them back home to their mother for their own mental health.

As for the jumping off the cliff, Bella did it so she could hear Edward's voice in her head. The rush gave her that voice. She wanted to hear Edward's voice because she was having an emotional meltdown over Edward dumping her. So, yes, she did jump off the cliff because Edward left. And she knew that if she didn't do it right she was going to die. So, what does she do? She goes and jumps off the cliff by herself. She was lucky Jacob was there or she would have died.



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4.Some girls are whiney little trouts, you cant say that there isnt atleast one person who exists that isnt personality wise like that. Also she didnt have a fan base for twilight when she was writing the story, maybe she based it off someones behaviors that she knew or herself as a teenager, who knows.



Again, I never said there wasn't someone actually like that. I just said that if Bella is supposed to be someone the reader can slip into and become, that she's an 'everyday teen', it's rather insulting that Meyer seems to think that all teenagers (or even her fanbase) are like that.



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5.In the first chapter after she gets into her room at her dads for the first time and before school it says
"I should be tan , sporty, blond, a volleyball player, or a cheerleader perhaps. All the things that go with living in the valley of the sun. Instead I was icory skinned, without even the excuse of blue eyes or red hair, despite the constant sunshine. I had always been slender , but soft somehow, obviously not an athlete; I didnt have the necessary hand -eye cordination to play sports without humiliating myself and harmingboth myself and anyone else who stood too close. "

So means she isnt blond and shes obviously not red haired with blue eyes. That leaves? Black or brown? Hmm what other colors do hair have? Its like that one card game where you say "Its not a man, doesnt have dark skin, doesnt have blue eyes, doesnt have blond or red hair" I think the name of the game was guess who. Point being it doesnt take a ten year old to guess what color hair she has.



Ever hear of hair dye? Her hair could have been pink for all we know. Red, blond, black, and brown are not the only colors hair could be. I've seen some crazy colors. Meyer could have, and this would have been easier mind you, just came out and said her hair was brown, rather than being vague.



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6. Im very sorry that you are a grammar nazi, but I have a learning disorder and im lucky to even have this much writing skill since I couldnt even read until the age of 13.



There's no need to be so glubbin' defensive. I was just pointing out that it was hard for me to read. There's no need to pull out the 'grammar nazi' card. Because what I said wasn't 'grammar nazi'. I pointed out two of your many mistakes. And they were obvious ones.

Should you like to see me be a 'grammar nazi', I shall happily oblige.

And just because you have a learning disorder (and I have no real reason to believe someone on the internet telling me that, and I don't mean any offense by that.), it doesn't give you an excuse to type poorly. If someone offers a suggestion to how to improve your writing, you could, at the very least, tell them "thank you", and correct yourself. That's how you learn.

My mother was dyslexic, and she taught me how to read at the age of three, by the way. She made an effort for me to teach herself as well. She didn't read fast, but she could still read, and know when she makes mistakes. And she at least makes an effort to correct herself and learn from it.

1. again... to me its the same thing. It may not be right to you but it doesnt mean that a person cant have all that and more and be dissatisfied with it. She bitches to herself yeah, but she has the deacency to keep it to herself because she doesnt want to worry her father. Infact in the first book she lies to her mother, says she WANTS to go to forks, says she will have a great time, just so that her mother can be with her boyfriend. She also lies to her father so that he wont be worried about her, she actually loved the truck even when she thought she wouldnt. She does love her parents, they never claimed she hated them or was ungrateful. As for moving to forks she was used to california surfing and beaches, but she grows used to it after a while and ends up loving it.

2. In the books she showed heroic qualities when she had to protect the life of her daughter. She showed heroic qualities when she destracted the red haired vampire to try and save edward. She also shows heroic qualities when james pretends that he has her mother and she risks her own life to meet him to try and save her mother. It may not look heroic to you but it looks heroic to me.

You have to compare her to every girl out there saying that her mary sue ness isnt realistic yet you tell me i shouldnt compare her to reality when its my turn to compare?

3. They may have shown her constantly sitting in one spot in that scene in the movie but im pretty sure she had to get out of that chair to eat, take a s**t and sleep. She eventually did interact with her friends to and watch crappy movies in the exact same book and movie and atleast tried for her fathers sake to be more normal. I think there was one story about a girl on facebook who only knew a guy for a few months, the guy was a made up screen name by her neighbors mom and they became friends and then the made up name gradually started becoming distant after a few months of talking eventually calling her worthless (the neighbor said she was trying to break connection with her because she was tired of talking to her) then saying it would be better if she wasnt born or something along those lines. She wound up hanging herself in her closet. Tell me that isnt even more worse and thats a case of what happened in reality.

4. I tend to think since she isnt a person that you can slip into easily the description isnt true and you shouldnt take it to heart.

5. Well most people assume when they describe a person as dull they dont have shocking pink hair...

6. Im not defensive im just like that ... Also you didnt even have to point it out, because if i cant see the so obvious mistakes it doesnt matter to me.

If you must, but im not promising that ill pay attention to it, I also have ADHD.

No I dont learn because even if you point it out to me, i cant see it. I dont understand the correct way to do grammar even if someone explains it.

I can read as well, I correct the spelling that I see I did wrong, but when it comes to punctuation I dont understand it. If I dont understand it there is no point in trying to figure it out, its like trying to learn another language, i may learn a few words but ill never talk chinese.

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I'm just going to hit some points on this first one, because I feel like we're going in circles in some places, and we're never going to get to any sort of agreement about anything because you somehow keep misreading what I say, or you seem to think I'm trying to say something I'm really not. So I'm really not going to bother with it.



Chombi

She bitches to herself yeah, but she has the deacency to keep it to herself because she doesnt want to worry her father. Infact in the first book she lies to her mother, says she WANTS to go to forks, says she will have a great time, just so that her mother can be with her boyfriend. She also lies to her father so that he wont be worried about her, she actually loved the truck even when she thought she wouldnt. She does love her parents, they never claimed she hated them or was ungrateful. As for moving to forks she was used to california surfing and beaches, but she grows used to it after a while and ends up loving it.



No, she doesn't. She bitches to Edward, she bitches to Jacob, she bitches to the reader, technically. She whines and complains about everything, even if it's completely justifiable. For example, when Charlie gets upset that Bella's seeing Edward again in Eclipse. He has every right to be upset that the guy who left his daughter an emotional wreck is back in her life, but she guilt-trips him into letting her see Edward, and Meyer paints Charlie as the bad guy for not letting this emotionally abusive d**k muffin back in his daughter's life.

She lies to Renee in the first book about being happy about going to Forks, and even though it was her idea, she plays up the "I'm such a martyr. Look at me, I gave up my perfect life so my mother can be with her boyfriend, what a sacrifice!". It's one thing to actually do something like that for your mother, it's quite another to act like a martyr about it.

She ended up loving the truck in the end, but she still bitched about it before she even drove it.

I never said she didn't love her parents, I said she treats them poorly.

She lived in Arizona. There was no beach or surfing in Phoenix, Arizona.



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2. In the books she showed heroic qualities when she had to protect the life of her daughter. She showed heroic qualities when she destracted the red haired vampire to try and save edward. She also shows heroic qualities when james pretends that he has her mother and she risks her own life to meet him to try and save her mother. It may not look heroic to you but it looks heroic to me.

You have to compare her to every girl out there saying that her mary sue ness isnt realistic yet you tell me i shouldnt compare her to reality when its my turn to compare?




She only protected Nessie because she wanted to have Edward's baby. Despite the fact it was going to kill her. Yes, I agree that she should have stood up for her right to choose what to do with her body, however, I don't think it was for the baby. I think it was because she wanted to have a baby that was Edward's. She said so herself in Breaking Dawn that she didn't care about babies before, but she changed her mind because it was his baby.

She didn't do it because she wanted the right to choose, or to protect the baby. That's pretty selfish to me. And if you do something "heroic" for selfish purposes, it's not really heroic anymore.

She didn't have to distract Victoria to "protect" Edward. He's a big, bad vampire! Why the hell does she need to protect him? Besides, James, Laruent, and Victoria were heavily outnumbered by the Cullens. It wouldn't have taken much for the Cullens to kill three rogue vampires. Just look at what they did to James.

And she only goes off to confront James alone out of stupidity. It's not brave to be a human girl, and go walking alone into a vampire's arms, who has expressed he wants to omnomnom you, to go save your mother, who you don't even know if he has her or not really. It's stupid. And, of course, Alice's powers are on the fritz, even though they were working fine a while ago.

There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

I only compare Bella to an 'everyday teen girl' because Meyer has said herself that's what Bella was meant to represent. She does things that no 'everyday teen girl' would do.

As for the 'fantasy' aspect, you've said so yourself there's no point in debating something that's 'not real'. Twilight's not real. What Bella does isn't 'real' in any sense of the term.



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3. They may have shown her constantly sitting in one spot in that scene in the movie but im pretty sure she had to get out of that chair to eat, take a s**t and sleep. She eventually did interact with her friends to and watch crappy movies in the exact same book and movie and atleast tried for her fathers sake to be more normal. I think there was one story about a girl on facebook who only knew a guy for a few months, the guy was a made up screen name by her neighbors mom and they became friends and then the made up name gradually started becoming distant after a few months of talking eventually calling her worthless (the neighbor said she was trying to break connection with her because she was tired of talking to her) then saying it would be better if she wasnt born or something along those lines. She wound up hanging herself in her closet. Tell me that isnt even more worse and thats a case of what happened in reality.



When I said 'emotional coma', I meant she pretty much shut out of reality. She did only what she had to, and shut everyone else out. There's nothing wrong with this. I do it all the time when I'm upset. But, YOUR BOYFRIEND OF A FEW MONTHS DUMPING YOU is not a good reason to do it for that long.

And she only went out with her "friends" because Charlie insisted. Then she started doing the stupid, suicidal stuff to hear Edward's voice in her head.

First off, I wouldn't believe everything you read on Facebook. If this did happen, yes, it is sad, but it's not the same thing. This was a case of someone using someone else, and then getting tired of using them, and the person who got used ended up killing themselves. Two different situations.



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4. I tend to think since she isnt a person that you can slip into easily the description isnt true and you shouldnt take it to heart.



If I'm supposed to be Bella (According to Meyer), and Meyer thinks I hate myself that much, I'm going to take issue with it.

Meyer writes like her readers are stupid. Her foreshadowing is obvious, Bella acts like a t**t and gets everything she wants with no sacrifices and with no consequences (No, becoming a vampire doesn't count as a 'consequence' because it's nothing but a benefit. Eternal youth, beauty, riches, and an impenetrable shield superpower? Yeah. No downsides.). And yet, this is the ideal romance. I'm supposed to want a man who uses my emotions to control me, and I'm supposed to be vain and selfish. No. I'm going to take it personally.



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5. Well most people assume when they describe a person as dull they dont have shocking pink hair...



Bella was describing herself. Some people tend to describe themselves in an unappealing way. I could dye my hair pink and still consider myself 'dull'.



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6. Im not defensive im just like that ... Also you didnt even have to point it out, because if i cant see the so obvious mistakes it doesnt matter to me.

If you must, but im not promising that ill pay attention to it, I also have ADHD.

No I dont learn because even if you point it out to me, i cant see it. I dont understand the correct way to do grammar even if someone explains it.

I can read as well, I correct the spelling that I see I did wrong, but when it comes to punctuation I dont understand it. If I dont understand it there is no point in trying to figure it out, its like trying to learn another language, i may learn a few words but ill never talk chinese.



Then why call me a 'grammar nazi' because I pointed out two mistakes in a rather nice manner? And it matters to me, because I'm the one who has to read it, and, as I said, it's difficult for me to read. If a person can't read your message, it makes the message pointless, yes?

Oh, isn't that convenient?

Maybe you haven't actually tried? I just said "There aren't two spaces between a period and the next sentence." There's only one. "It's 'a lot'", "a lot" is two words. How hard is that to understand? It's just one extra keystroke.

And basic punctuation is NOT that difficult. Periods and apostrophes in contractions are simple. You place the apostrophe to stand in for the letters you took out.

For example, in the contraction "don't", the apostrophe stands in for the "o" in "not". It takes the place of the letter I replaced.

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She didn't have to distract Victoria to "protect" Edward. He's a big, bad vampire! Why the hell does she need to protect him? Besides, James, Laruent, and Victoria were heavily outnumbered by the Cullens. It wouldn't have taken much for the Cullens to kill three rogue vampires. Just look at what they did to James.

I think she's referring to the scene where Victoria and Riley are fighting Edward in Eclipse, and she may also be referring to the movie version of that scene. In the book, it basically plays out like what you said--he's the big, bad vampire and in no way needs her protection, but in the movie, he's losing the fight and it basically looks like he's about to get his head ripped off when Bella cuts herself to attract Victoria's attention to her.

The movie-Bella is a mite more heroic than book-Bella.