Zubora
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I thought it was clear enough considering the quote between the two arguments. Is it really that difficult to tell who I'm directing a comment towards?
And again, I don't care about Twilight. I just don't, and it has no place in a discussion about NaruHina at all. I'm sick of hearing about stupid Twilight. There is no reason to bring it up, much less rant about how bad it is. Yes, yes, whatever. I don't care, and I will never care.
So if we could actually get on topic? There is nothing saying that Hinata wasn't stalking Naruto, sure, but then, there's nothing saying Tenten isn't secretly Rikodu Senin either. And as awesome as it would be for that to be the case, I don't think that's very likely to be true.
Naruto had "heard of her." When she's first introduced Naruto recognizes her primarily because she acts oddly around him. Being as shy as she is, she probably has trouble making eye contact (my little brother used to be like that), but she must have done something to make Naruto look at her if he noticed that she can't make eye contact. He has a good enough opinion of her that he doesn't think she'd try to trick him though he's not sure about that if Kiba was bullying her into it.
One thing I think a lot of people forget about Naruto's early days is that he didn't always try to cling to his connections with people so much. He tended to look for just attention (make everyone acknowledge my strength! ), rather than a meaningful connection because he didn't expect to be able to make those kinds of connections. It wasn't until Iruka accepted him despite being the container for Kyuubi that he realized he could have those bonds. It wasn't until he met and talked to Haku that he acquired the "precious person" philosophy that drives him to go so far to try to save Sasuke.
So it makes perfect sense that he wouldn't have understood what Hinata was doing when she tried to get his attention. It's not Hinata's fault. Or Naruto's either, for that matter. They just weren't able to make a connection because Hinata didn't have the confidence to tell him plainly and Naruto didn't have the insight to understand her hints.
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Damn, this one turned out pretty well. I should save this post for later. This could be a good basis for a LAP.
Apparently it wasn't, it's much more easier if you don't add another argument in there and only directing to one person in a quote, or at least that's easier for each individual to argue.
That doesn't matter if you don't care about Twilight or not, that doesn't mean I can't ******** use it as an example regardless if it's not an anime. It has the same concept of a "stalking" love. Or just, spontaneous love appearing.
Wtf.
Do you think Hinata purposely went there to train and HEARD Naruto out of the mist of nowhere? Seriously, why do you keep denying this fact?
And you still didn't have me YOUR definiton of stalking, seriously I really want to ******** know.
...He heard her? Wtf.
Okay then.
"One thing I think a lot of people forget about Naruto's early days is that he didn't always try to cling to his connections with people so much. He tended to look for just attention (make everyone acknowledge my strength! ), rather than a meaningful connection because he didn't expect to be able to make those kinds of connections. It wasn't until Iruka accepted him despite being the container for Kyuubi that he realized he could have those bonds. It wasn't until he met and talked to Haku that he acq" Why is this here...
Yes, he wants attention, but what he really wanted was for Sasuke to acknowledge him, that he is strong.
....What... So. That doesn't mean Naruto has to accept her feelings. Wait. I don't get what you mean at all. Why are you dragging that into this, that I'm saying she is a stalker.
Well, I still don't believe in double-posting, so if I have more than one statement to make at once, I'm going to do it in a way that doesn't involve padding the pages with extra posts.
So on the Twilight thing, I'm saying 1) Twilight is nothing like Naruto. The characters are totally different, the cultural background of the writer is different, the target audience is totally different, so I can't imagine how any example from Twilight will shed any light at all on Naruto and 2) I have never read Twilight, so it would be stupid of me if I tried to make arguments about it. I only have the internet's word that it actually does suck and all that and I'd feel stupid trying to make a convincing argument out of hearsay. I prefer to base them in solid things that I actually have first-hand knowledge of, like the Naruto manga that I linked pages to.
So in short, you can
use it if you really want, just don't expect me to be convinced or respond with anything but boredom and indifference. As far as I'm concerned, you might as well be comparing Hinata to Hitler for all the credibility that argument has with me, and don't tell me I'm oppressing you by refusing to care. I won't care about that, either.
Okay, so back on topic?
I guess my definition of stalking... well, why don't I just find a dictionary one?
Wikipedia
"Stalking is a term used to describe unwanted attention by individuals (and sometimes groups of people) to others. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation. The word "stalking" is used, with some differing meanings, in psychology and psychiatry and also in some legal jurisdictions as a term for a criminal offence. It may also be used to refer to criminal offences or civil wrongs that include conduct which some people consider to be stalking, such as those described in law as "harassment" or similar terms.[citation needed]
So "unwanted attention" and "harassment" are the standard defining features. That sounds pretty reasonable, so I'll go with that.
Why do you think Hinata couldn't have been going "there" (I assume you mean
this scene, though I don't know what mist you mean) to train? No, I mean seriously. If Naruto was training in a woody area, why couldn't Hinata? And how do you know it wasn't something that happened at the Academy, where she didn't even have a choice about seeing Naruto, much less going out of her way to "stalk" him? What, besides the fact that Naruto doesn't notice Hinata, makes you so sure she is actually "stalking" him? (Please don't just say "she is" and act all offended that I think she isn't. Explain. Answer my points with points of your own. Expand on ideas. It's much more fun that way.)
Hinata wouldn't have had time to stalk Naruto anyway. From
Kurenai's second flashback (continues to next page) we see that Hinata spends all her time training, even when Kiba and Shino call it quits. It would sort of conflict with the whole "overcoming your limitations" theme Hinata had going if she spent her time "stalking" Naruto rather than training to get stronger.
And in regards to Naruto and Hinata's existing relationship pre-CE, I didn't say he heard her, I said he heard OF her. In other words, he knew who she was and had some kind of impression of her. He didn't know anything about Shino, so Hinata must have done something Shino didn't to get Naruto's attention.
Team 8 intro page for reference He at least liked her enough to think she wouldn't want to "trap him" and knew her well enough to worry that she could be bullied into it.
Yes, Naruto wanted Sasuke's acknowledgment, but that wasn't the only thing he wanted and there are underlying motivations behind wanting Sasuke's acknowledgment. Naruto is a multidimensional character: he has a past, goals, motivations, fears, likes, dislikes, etc. So there's a little more to him than just wanting Sasuke's acknowledgment.
The Haku/Iruka/Philosophy thing was mainly to explain why it would have been difficult for Hinata to get Naruto's attention before the series started. Because Naruto wasn't trying to make friends, he just wanted to get attention and not give it. Then he grew up a little and decided that having friends is awesome, and losing friends sucks a**, so he should try as hard as possible to make friends and not lose them.
And yeah, Naruto doesn't
have to accept Hinata's feelings. But I think that he will choose to accept Hinata's feelings, because even if they haven't spent a ton of time together they understand each other very well and have a lot of common ground that they could build on.
