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- Posted: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:56:31 +0000
........sorry I don't really have much to add that Jaden hasn't already stated but, after seeing the first season of it, I must say, Lori really...how to put it...bullied shane mentally. I mean, yeah, Shane could be an a** at times, and even a bit douchy but, He didn't deserve the mental abuse she put him through and I have to admit, Rick wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for him, and neither would carl and lori. Shane stood up and did a lot of things the group didn't want to. Like when they had to tell Daryl about his brother and rick and T-dog were arguing over who should tell him. They hadn't really come to a full conclusion on that but when it came, Shane took control of it and decided to do it himself, instead of having either one of them do it.
Because attempting to rape someone doesn't qualify as abuse? And continuing to pursue someone when they've made it very clear that they don't want to have a relationship with you is just fine and dandy? Besides, what mental abuse did she actually put him through? The worst thing I can think of was Lori telling him to stay away from Carl and then whining when he stayed away from Carl.
I know this isn't a thread about Shane so I will point out when Rick could and couldn't do things. I have noticed that he did rely on the group quite a bit for reassurance that what he was doing was right
What, you prefer his "this is not a democracy" mode?
and he asked majority of the able bodied men to go with him to get the cahse of weapons as well as to look for Meryl.
No, he didn't. Daryl and T-Dog decided to come themselves. He may have asked Glen, since Glen was the most familiar with the city. That was it.
He was also doing it for the radio in the bag that he gave the other one to the man and his son that helped him.
So, hey, another good reason for him to go, but you're saying it like we should condemn him for it.
Because he asked that people go with him, the camp got attacked and they lost 15 people.
Correlation =/= causation.
15 people that could have been saved if he hasn't taken 4 of the guys with him.
He took three men with him, and we have no idea if those three men would have necessarily made a difference if they were just as caught by surprise as everyone else. Remember, that was the main problem.
Shane did warn him that if he did that, that it would leave the camp defenceless.
Maybe they should have had someone on lookout. So much for Shane's superb leadership skills.
Granted, he has a point that if he hadn't come back in time with the guns that he had in the bag, there might have been a few more but, they all could have done just as well with the things they had there.
You're assuming that. You're also unfairly pinning the number of people on Rick. He's responsible for two (himself and Glen)--not Daryl and T-dog.
When they were deciding to go to the CDC or not, he had to ask the group to make sure that this was what they all wanted. He needed that reassurance from everyone instead of just going with something.
Because he's not an a*****e? What is so wrong about addressing the wants and needs of the people you're leading?
Though, I must admit, it worked out for him in the end to ask the group because a few of them did have other places they wanted to be but, still, he does this throught the show and even at the very end of season 2. He wasn't confident at all in what he decided,
Asking for opinions =/= a lack of confidence. The one time I remember him showing uncertainty was with his decision to look for Sophia.
even though he was the one that told glen to start speaking his mind and to assert himself.
Speaking your mind and asserting yourself =/= a complete disregard for what others think.
In season one, it seemed as though that the others made plans and he just kind of followed along with them.
Maybe because he really hadn't settled into the roll of leader yet?
Yeah there were a few that he iniciated but, he was never the one that finished them or even perfected them.
Because people do better if they work together?
at the end of season 1, he still seemed not too sure in what was going to happen or what the plan was from there. he still seemed lost.
Yeah, newsflash: It's a zombie apocalypse. NONE OF THEM ARE SURE AS TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
Yes Rick had his moments but, he also had his bad points too.
No one claimed he was perfect.