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Has anyone been following the news about Chavez recently? I think he still has great potential and is very brave for standing up against capitalist imperial america. In actually implementing policys that help his own countrys people as well as other poorer free, real democratic nations.

Heres an article:

Quote:
Chavez Points To Socialism As The Only Way to Stop Barbarism

Havana, May 15 (ACN) Socialism is the only way to thwart barbarism and bring the humankind to a turning point in its fateful history, said Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez in London, Sunday, May 14.

Chavez spoke during an encounter with British personalities and groups who support the Venezuelan government. The meeting was held in the Camden Center in North London, reported Prensa Latina news agency.

"Let's take on socialism; let's debate it and build it. I believe that its mistakes were in the economic analysis, there should be social praxis, and 21st century socialism should be based on solid human values," he stressed.

"We are facing the threat of global challenges stemming from the genocidal, immoral, sick, and corrupt elite currently governing the United States, which appear to have no limits," he added.

The Venezuelan president warned about Washington's threats against Iran and he said that if that aggression materializes, oil prices could reach 100 dollars a barrel.

"The outcome of such aggression is unknown, but the Empire is going to find itself inPa worse position than the one they have currently in Iraq, where they do not know what to do with the civil war that has erupted there and can't find a way out," he noted.

Chavez called US President George W. Bush a murderer, guilty of genocide, who supposedly fights terrorism, while his country is a sanctuary of terrorists.

"There they have the worst terrorist, Luis Posada Carriles, who is benefiting from US government protection, after having escaped from a Venezuelan prison 20 years ago, [awaiting trial] for his involvement in the bombing of a Cuban airliner," said Chavez.


While some may say this thread should be on ED i wanted to get the average persons thoughts.

Discuss:
Chavez and Venezuela
Chavez visiting camden, only the coolest place in the world.
The rise of Socialism in south america.
The end of the USAs imperialism.

Source: http://www.ain.cubaweb.cu/idioma/ingles/2006/may15chavez-socialismo.htm
Sorry, but you won't get any mature responses here~

I'de reccomend E.D.

We G.D.ers like our chat funny and lowbrow.
Duh, Socialism is the inevitable progression of man towards communism and Utopia. The only reason why the Soviets failed was because Marxism calls for the move to come through the means of a large working class taking over a supremely wealthy class, whereas the Soviet Union gained power by means of a small working class taking over a peasant country.

Socialism- It's what's for dinner :3
[G.E.R.]
Duh, Socialism is the inevitable progression of man towards communism and Utopia. The only reason why the Soviets failed was because Marxism calls for the move to come through the means of a large working class taking over a supremely wealthy class, whereas the Soviet Union gained power by means of a small working class taking over a peasant country.

Socialism- It's what's for dinner :3

Lenin also reduced a time period which should have lasted hundreds of years to less than a week.

It wasn't even really a small working class, more like a small political group.
[G.E.R.]
Duh, Socialism is the inevitable progression of man towards communism and Utopia. The only reason why the Soviets failed was because Marxism calls for the move to come through the means of a large working class taking over a supremely wealthy class, whereas the Soviet Union gained power by means of a small working class taking over a peasant country.

Socialism- It's what's for dinner :3


Well Chevez has nationalized their oil industry and now recieves far higher royalties which go to all sorts of social programs. Theres a huge list of them someone, free healthcare and education for all is the most obvious. Also in the several years hes been in power 1 million adults have become literate through education programs.
Georges Jacques Danton
[G.E.R.]
Duh, Socialism is the inevitable progression of man towards communism and Utopia. The only reason why the Soviets failed was because Marxism calls for the move to come through the means of a large working class taking over a supremely wealthy class, whereas the Soviet Union gained power by means of a small working class taking over a peasant country.

Socialism- It's what's for dinner :3

Lenin also reduced a time period which should have lasted hundreds of years to less than a week.

It wasn't even really a small working class, more like a small political group.


True, although, Marx predicted that given the proper conditions, the transition from capitalism to socialism would only take a few years, especially given the fact that those originally in power would be necessarily forced into subduction whilst their assets were distributed back to the state. Afterwards, Communism would slowly take over and THEN we would strive for Utopia after a millenia or so :3
If you look at the history the US has with intefering in the politics of other nations, particularly that of Central and South American nations, and the results those actions produced- it is not difficult to see why a politician with an apparent anti-American stance is doing well there.

Oil may be his trump card. Venzuela has a fairly sizable oil supply- but is it enough to bring about a shift to the left in leadership without the intervention of the US? After all, that is one of the reasons they intefered there in the 70's and 80's, but I don't think the red threat is as threatening anymore.

-The Adjudicator

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Chavez is delusional. He thinks America is out to get him so he terrorizes his people into thinking the apocolypse is coming, and forces civilians to train to march and use weapons, to basically be human body shields.

[G.E.R.]
Duh, Socialism is the inevitable progression of man towards communism and Utopia. The only reason why the Soviets failed was because Marxism calls for the move to come through the means of a large working class taking over a supremely wealthy class, whereas the Soviet Union gained power by means of a small working class taking over a peasant country.

Socialism- It's what's for dinner :3

No. The Soviets failed becuase communism and socialism are contradictory to human nature. Like pretty much any species on the planet, we operate on heirarchy, and people strive to get to the top and are willing to kill others to get to it. Promising total equality for all is the greatest wool you could pull over the eyes of the bourgeouise.
Socialism can't even compare to capitalism. Socialism doesn't encourage people to work, and sharing of wealth is a stupid system to begin with.

Communism is, in theory, the "perfect" form of economic system, but is unattainable because it is just that, perfect. Also, it doesn't really take into account the human factor.

Chavez is simply Castro's bed buddy, and socialism is not going to help any country in South America at all. Hell, I can't see why any nation in the world is socialist.

Imperialism, ha! I wish, because maybe then the US could exercise its power to straighten out more nations across the world. But alas, we are not imperialist, we are simply a democratic republic.
Your joking, right?
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Chavez is delusional. He thinks America is out to get him so he terrorizes his people into thinking the apocolypse is coming, and forces civilians to train to march and use weapons, to basically be human body shields.

[G.E.R.]
Duh, Socialism is the inevitable progression of man towards communism and Utopia. The only reason why the Soviets failed was because Marxism calls for the move to come through the means of a large working class taking over a supremely wealthy class, whereas the Soviet Union gained power by means of a small working class taking over a peasant country.

Socialism- It's what's for dinner :3

No. The Soviets failed becuase communism and socialism are contradictory to human nature. Like pretty much any species on the planet, we operate on heirarchy, and people strive to get to the top and are willing to kill others to get to it. Promising total equality for all is the greatest wool you could pull over the eyes of the bourgeouise.


Are you sure thats human nature or just a idea society imposes on you assuming your american?

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the same will happen in Mexico with Lopez Obrador
Der_Freischuetz
Socialism can't even compare to capitalism. Socialism doesn't encourage people to work, and sharing of wealth is a stupid system to begin with.

Communism is, in theory, the "perfect" form of economic system, but is unattainable because it is just that, perfect. Also, it doesn't really take into account the human factor.

Chavez is simply Castro's bed buddy, and socialism is not going to help any country in South America at all. Hell, I can't see why any nation in the world is socialist.

Imperialism, ha! I wish, because maybe then the US could exercise its power to straighten out more nations across the world. But alas, we are not imperialist, we are simply a democratic republic.



Communism is supposed to be a natural state, Socialism the bridge. Under the Socialist system, citizens are still motivated to work for they are rewarded equally by the state. It's still a work for your reward system but there is more unison between state and citizen.

Imagine actually getting the benefits beffiting the amount of taxes that you pay, here in the U.S. :O
Der_Freischuetz
because maybe then the US could exercise its power to straighten out more nations across the world.


Yeah, that's worked out great in the past.

-The Adjudicator
Der_Freischuetz
Socialism can't even compare to capitalism. Socialism doesn't encourage people to work, and sharing of wealth is a stupid system to begin with.

Communism is, in theory, the "perfect" form of economic system, but is unattainable because it is just that, perfect. Also, it doesn't really take into account the human factor.

Chavez is simply Castro's bed buddy, and socialism is not going to help any country in South America at all. Hell, I can't see why any nation in the world is socialist.

Imperialism, ha! I wish, because maybe then the US could exercise its power to straighten out more nations across the world. But alas, we are not imperialist, we are simply a democratic republic.


Typical american attitude, we should show everyone else that they are wrong. All these other countrys beliving in different political systems of government need to be invaded and have a good ol american system in place? Why cant the american governement just back off and leave free people to govern themselfs and worry about their own problems?

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