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Is this the year you learn how to ride a motorcycle?


Maybe it is. I notice that every so often a thread pops up with questions about where someone should start, now that they've decided that two wheels is right for them. I also see people giving advice, some good, some kinda... eh. And while I try not to come off as a know it all, motorcycles are all I've ever known. I've spent time at shows, spent time at the track, spent time in workshops, spent time in the saddle and even spent time in and out of medically induced comas at a hospital after one particularly astounding ******** up.

I've seen the good parts of riding, I've seen the shitty. I've watched friends go down, bikes tumble end over end, people sprawled out on the pavement after introducing their GSX-R to the side of a minivan at 55 miles an hour. I've also seen friends discover a hobby that they truly love, seen some people with amazing bikes they've put their heart and soul in to and, well... look, what I'm getting at here is I have some real world experience. And I'd love to share it with all the Gaians who are thinking about saddling up and riding off in to the sunset this year. I want to help answer questions as well as help you decide whether this hobby is for you.

This thread is meant to both entertain and inform. Some of this will be fact, some of it will be opinion. I recommend that anyone who actually OWNS a bike and rides regularly to chime in and answer questions when asked. A little bit of ball busting is fine but lets not be vicious to anyone just because they own a GSX-R 1000 with an extended swingarm and a 320 on the rear.

It's not their fault mommy dropped them on their head when they were a lil'un
Is this the right hobby for me?


First, ask yourself this. Are you a total moron? No? On to question two. Are you a total coward? Still no? Well you might be in the right place.. Look, I'm not saying that this is a macho thing or that it's rocket science, because it's not. As simple as riding is (And it is) there's a lot more to owning a motorcycle then there is to owning a car. This is because, first and foremost, motorcycles are recreational vehicles.

Motorcycles are not ideal as an only mode of transportation


News flash: Riding in cold, wet, or icy conditions is not fun. Unless you're one of those crazy adventure riders with your big BMW dual sports and a heated waterproof suit, you really have no business riding when it's pouring rain and 35 degrees out. When it comes time to load up all your friends for a road trip, good luck fitting all of them in... or on, rather, your R6. Also, I don't know about where you live, but last summer some dickheads kicked over my dad's bike for Ha-ha's in a restaurant parking lot while he was inside, eating. Trust me, you DON'T want to leave your bike unattended while you walk around the mall with friends, are sitting in class for six hours, etc. etc.

Motorcycles require more attention than cars.


I don't mean that from a functional standpoint. An engine is an engine. But for the most part, everyone has a car. Cars get you to work. To school. To your friends house. To the grocery store. To GameStop. Whatever. Even people who aren't gearheads own cars because they have to. A typical car owner doesn't check their tire pressure every time they have to run an errand, or before they head off to work. They don't check the oil or coolant levels unless there's a reason to. They don't scrutinize small details on their car before they drive it. And when things go wrong on a car, the average person just brings it to a mechanic. You REALLY should be paying attention to your bike, doing some checks on it every before you hop on it and go. Something failing on your motorcycle could be disastrous at highway speeds.

You are more vulnerable on a motorcycle than in a car.


Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. AND going back to the average person, they are stupid. Which is why accidents happen. Accidents on bikes usually do more damage to you than an accident while you're in a car. And you know what? I'm really wondering why I had to type that. You know that. But, accidents don't just happen from people being stupid. Let's go back to scrutinizing your vehicle. Remember that? This is why bikes require more attention than cars. You need to be able to spot problems with your bike and rectify them before they go from being a small problem to a 65 mile an hour front tire failure.

Riding is something that you really have to WANT to do.


Every time someone says to me, and this isn't just Gaia, it's an everywhere thing, that they want a motorcycle to commute because 'It's cheaper on gas', I die a little bit on the inside. And you know something, it's not just one of those "OH UR A POSER!!1!!" type of things, it's just... let's see... How many times have you been forced in to doing something, like a chore, or errand, or something at work, and because you just don't feel like doing it you start to slow down or space out? Yeah, that might just cause a little hiccup in your productivity or whatever, but if you're just riding to 'save gas' and decide to space out, then chances are you're not giving 100% to the road ahead of you. Which brings me to my next point.

Attentiveness is PARAMOUNT on a bike


Back in the early 80's when my father got his Trident, his first day out on the road he was stopped at a 4 way intersection, at a red light. There was a car beside him, that when the light turned green was in such a hurry that the guy decided to briskly leave the stop line, only to get t-boned by some moron who was trying to beat the red light. My pop saw the car hauling a** down the road and decided to wait, which saved his life. All because he payed attention to his surroundings. One of the things any rider will tell you is that you should ride defensively, and ride as if you're invisible. And this is true. I've almost been killed so many times by merging traffic... Point here is that you definitely need to be aware of what's going on around you.

Still here? Good. Read all of that? Better. Next, let's talk about where to start.
I really want to be on two wheels. Where do I begin?


I'll tell you where NOT to begin. DON'T go out and buy a Ninja 250 because "250's are good beginner bikes". Where to start depends on how you're most comfortable approaching this situation and how well certain concepts come to you. For instance, I once tried to teach a friend of mine how to ride on a Triumph Daytona. After watching him almost dump the bike three or four times, unable to even get rolling in a straight line, I found out he never even learned how to ride a bicycle.

For the most part, I say these two skills are must haves:
-Knowing how to ride a bicycle
As silly as that sounds, bicycles and motorcycles are identical, save for the mechanical bits. If you can ride a bike, you can ride a motorcycle.

-Knowing how to operate a manual transmission
I've met so many girls who give me that "I WANNA LERN2RYD" bullshit and have no idea how to drive stick in a car. Kind of important, considering most motorcycles (With a few goofy exceptions) are manual transmission. If you have no concept of how the clutch, engine, gearbox, throttle, shifter, etc. work in tandem then that's one more obstacle to overcome. But it's really, really not that big of an obstacle.

Got those down? Great. So, you ready to get on two wheels? Two things before we get going.


-First: Riding gear.
I won't give you any bull about having to be decked out from head to toe in expensive armor. I don't really follow the AGATT (All Gear All The Time) rule too closely, but before you get on a bike wear a helmet (with eye protection if there's no visor), jeans or pants that don't have a ton of loose s**t hanging off of them, and some kind of shoe that's fully enclosed. No open toes, sandals or any of that crap. And that's like... the minimum. If you end up taking a DOT course, some of this may be provided for you.

-Second: Who will teach you, and what will you learn on?
Two choices here. Either a riding course, or learn from someone who will put up their bike and guide you through the process. I do NOT suggest buying your own bike to learn on. Only because, hey, you might get on the thing, ride it once and realize it's not for you. Then you're stuck trying to offload the bike you just invested in.

DOT approved or State Sponsored riding courses are one option, and it's a really good one. They usually cost a couple hundred dollars and they give you bikes to learn on, which are often Ninja 250's or Rebel 250's. It's a course that runs a day or two teaching you how to ride and the rules of the road. More often than not, the class puts you on one of their bikes and has you perform a road test which, upon completing successfully, you're given a license right then and there. And it nets you a break on your insurance. Now the only thing I have against these courses is that there's no real world riding done here, just some drills in an empty lot. And some courses are expensive, upwards of 500 bucks or so.

Getting a learners permit and borrowing someone's bike is an option too, and it's, uh... well, there it is. You won't get a break on insurance this way, and you might get stuck taking a license test on a big, cumbersome bike (Assuming you use aforementioned borrowed bike for your test and it happens to be a big, cumbersome one). It's the cheaper alternative, really, and if the person you borrow the bike from is a good teacher you might learn an extra thing or two along the way.
I got my gear. I got my license. I have the desire to ride. And now it's time I pick out a bike.


Since this is your first bike, there's a few things to consider before buying one. And I'm going to throw out the disclaimer that this is more opinion than anything here.


Forget whichever brand you have an affinity for if it makes getting a bike unobtainable.

It's your first bike. So lets think practical. If you have just an assload of cash sitting around and you can afford whatever you want, then forget what I just said. But if you're in the market for a Ducati as your first bike, you know as well as I do that Ducati ANYTHING is usually priced higher than it should be. Think practical and affordable; the Big Four Japanese companies are great places to start looking.

Figure out exactly what it is you want your bike to do for you.

Just like cars, there's a motorcycle for just about every niche. Even more so, there are some bikes that are so identical to one another, that having the same bike optioned out two different ways can completely transform the machine. A great example of this is to look at my bike. When Triumph was making the T3 range of bikes each bike shared identical frames and parts with little changes in between. Take the Trident, a standard naked bike. Lower the handle bars, lift the pegs, change the sprocket and it becomes a cafe bike, the original Speed Triple. Add a fairing, it becomes a sport bike, the Daytona. Raise the handle bars, lower the pegs, add some hard bags and raise the windscreen, it becomes the Trophy, a touring bike. No matter what you're in to, there's a bike that meets your demands out there.


Think practical when deciding what kind of bike to buy based on how you ride and where it will be ridden.

Full blown sports bikes are a lot of fun. But lets be real here. Most sport bikes are not comfortable for long rides. They don't accommodate passengers very well, nor do the accommodate luggage very well. They like to suck down gas. Unless you're a professional rider or at least go to a racing school, you'll never unleash the full potential of that machine. And if you ARE a professional rider, there's no place to ride that hard unless it's on a track. Now before the lot of you scream "BUT ISNT YOUR BIKE A SPORT BIKE?" I will point out that the ergo's on older sport bikes tend to be more rider friendly, because most companies had less of an understanding for what worked best on the track and older bikes were less radically designed by today's standards. My bike is a great example of that. Plus, if the CBR 900 was the benchmark for cutting edge sport bikes in the 900cc category during the mid 90's, my Daytona isn't exactly up to par with that machine. Cosworth parts or not.

If you have your heart set on a real crotch rocket, I'd suggest any of the Japanese sports bike through the 80's and 90's before I'd suggest an 07 GSX-R. Not comfortable.

Pick a bike that you fit on.

That one is pretty important. And it's simple. When you saddle up, both feet should be (ideally) flat on the ground when the bike is set upright. You should also be able to reach the handle bars and all of the controls without any problems. If you're of a very small stature, this unfortunately limits your choices a bit depending on what kind of bike you're looking for. I have seen shorter women on bigger bikes, by way of lowering kits and, well, just being on their tip-toes when at a stop light.


Choppers and rice rockets are the only kinds of bikes out there, right?


I have seriously had people say that to me before. Seriously. To take that a step further, I've had girls think that Ducati 1098's were Kawasaki Ninja's. For some reason people have this mindset that if it's a plastic fantastic, it's a Ninja. And if it's a cruiser of some sort, it's a 'Chopper' or a Harley. Anyway, here's a breakdown of what's out there for you.

Cruisers:
Cruisers are bikes built for, well, cruising. The ergonomics are friendly for going around town and pleasure rides through the countryside. For some, the upright riding position can turn in to a strain on the upper body when riding highways for a long time. Cruisers have low ground clearance and aren't suited for riding aggressively through the twisties. Engine and gearing usually favors torque-on-demand rather than revving to the moon in order to squeeze high horsepower from it's powerplant. Think Harley Davidsons, Yamaha's Star Motorcycles, Kawasaki Vulcan, Suzuki Boulevard and things like that.

Bagger is a term sometimes used for a cruiser outfitted with touring accessories, such as soft bags, hard bags, or windscreens / fairings.

Chopper is a term that... how do you not know what a chopper is? Ugh, anyway, people use it to describe a Harley or like bike sometime, or it's often used to describe a cruiser that's been customized in some way shape or form.

Power cruisers are cruisers that favor larger displacement engines and typically err on the more ballsy side when it comes to power and gearing. Sometimes also called a 'Dragged-out' bike, 'Dragged' of course meaning Dragster.

ADC4S says: I think it's mostly the image that comes with cruisers that I don't like. It doesn't bother me that cruisers aren't as balls-to-the-wall powerful as sport bikes, or that they can't corner like sport bikes, I just don't see someone young and skinny like myself on some big 1800cc V-twin. I will admit though, grabbing the handlebars of a 2007 Suzuki M109R and hauling a** down Route 5 in West Springfield was a pretty badass experience. I mean, I felt like a total hard a** just from riding the damn thing for 20 minutes.

Eh, I guess it was pretty comfortable, too.

Standards:
Standards are, as the name might imply, your standard motorcycle. These are often the most beginner friendly bikes, and tend to have great ergonomics and ample, yet subtle engines. Most standards are naked bikes; bikes without any windscreen or fairings. But in recent years, bikes like the Suzuki Katana, Suzuki GS650F and Kawasaki Ninja 650R are proof that standards don't always have to be in the nude. If my use of the word practical belonged in one section, it would be here.

Naked bike is sometimes used interchangeably with the term standard, though of course naked only applies if the bike is, well, naked.

Retro bikes are closer to standards than any other bike with the exception of a few optioned out models. The modern Triumph Bonneville, the Ducati GT and the Kawasaki W800 are all bikes designed to look and feel like the bikes of yesterday, except with modern technology.

ADC4S says: Don't overlook standards as an option for a motorcycle. They go all over the place. Maybe a little GS650F is a little too tame for you. How about the almost 100hp Honda CB919? It's affordable and gutsy yet still easy on the rider for the long hauls. Assuming a lot of you reading this are 18 to 24, many people in that age bracket (while looking for a sports bike) immediately run to the GSX-R, or R6 for their first sports bike, practicality and useability be damned. If ever there was a place I'd suggest going for your first bike, it's in the standards category.

Tourer:
My award to most flaccid and docile motorcycle style goes to Tourers. HOWEVER, there is no denying that your average tourer is the bike you'd want to spend 15 hour stretches in the saddle on. Touring bikes have very big engines, big brakes and plush suspensions. They're also usually quiet. Tourers have big fairings and big windscreens meant to make riding them as painless as possible. They are also heavy because of all the creature comforts manufacturers like to stuff in to them. Ergonomics for the rider are excellent, and there's more than enough comfort and room for passengers and luggage as well. I still say nothing says 'Senior citizen' quite like a Honda Goldwing or a Kawasaki Concours. Someone please explain to me why the Goldwing has a Reverse gear AND an airbag as an option? Seriously, you can also buy a roof for your Goldwing. I'm not making this s**t up.

Sport tourers are touring bikes that sacrifice a lot of the comfort for some performance. And that's okay by me. Sport tourers usually manage to stay comfortable and liveable for long rides, and save room for passengers and luggage. Take off the bags, and the bike is ready for some light track duty. Engine, gearing, brakes and suspension are more aggressive overall when compared to a regular touring bike. And sport tourers can go from one extreme to the next. Some are fully faired, some are naked. Some lean further towards the Sport side, other go closer to the Tourer side.

ADC4S says: Sport Tourers in particular, I have an affinity towards. And I think the premise sells itself. Sport Tourers usually look nice for those of you in need of a sport bike, and can usually perform like a sport bike. But when it comes time to take your sport tourer on a long ride with your buddy on the ZX6R you can laugh your head off the entire way at him, being all comfortable and sporty on your Triumph Sprint ST.

Sports:
Sports bike actually come in a few varieties, mostly separated by engine size, but the idea is always the same. Powerful engine, light weight, maneuverable and aerodynamic. Sports bikes are at home at the road courses mostly and tend to be ill-suited for day to day riding. Mostly because the riding position can be strenuous on the arms, wrists and back. Although sports bikes usually have the option for a passenger seat, it probably wont be a comfortable ride for you or your passenger. And no, not every sport bike wrapped in plastic is a Kawasaki Ninja. For the most part, the sport bike category is dominated by inline four cylinder engines. However, there are bikes out there with all sorts of engine layouts... Inline fours, inline triples, L twins, V twins, V fours...

Grand Tourers is a term I've heard used in a few magazines before, and it's a term I like. This describes those speed kings everyone knows and loves, bikes like the Suzuki Hayabusa, Kawasaki ZX14, and the CBR 1100XX. I don't think it's really fair to call these bikes sport tourers as they're sometimes classified, because while they're not as uncomfortable as most full on sports bikes, I don't see a lot about them that's very touring oriented either. When Triumph was making the T3 Daytona's such as mine, they had a 1200cc model that fell in to this category, and the ergonomics on my 900cc are exactly the same. So I can testify that these bikes aren't all that bad to ride from a comfort standpoint.

Stunt bikes aren't exactly factory made but they deserve a mention. Usually stripped down and modified sports bike used in doing wheelies, stoppies, riding on the tank, etc. It's a risky proposition buying a stunt bike off of someone for the obvious reason of, well, how many times it's probably hit the ground.

Streetfighters are my personal favorite out of any category of bike. As long as they don't look too damn goofy. Streetfighters, like stunt bikes, are born of a sport bike having all the bodywork taken off and being modified from there. Often times streetfighter builds come from sports bikes that have been wrecked though it's not uncommon anymore for someone to streetfighter-out a fresh bike from the dealership. Clip on handlebars are replaced with motocross style bars, the tail sections are usually cut short and sit very high as well as the exhaust pipe and the front end most likely has only a bikini fairing or just a headlight. There's always the age old argument of 'built, not bought', but Triumph's Speed Triple and Ducati's Monster are thought of as the pioneers of the factory streetfighter.

It also goes worth a mention that an English artist named Andy Sparrow, and his serialized comic "Bloodrunners" from the 1980's are often thought of as the Godfather and origin (respectively) of Streetfighters.

ADC4S says:I have this interesting love/hate relationship with sports bike. On one hand there's very little that's useful about most sports bikes on the street. But it's true that having a powerful bike can be fun as hell, blasting around town and tearing up the twisties. Being a victim myself, however, I know that some people just have addictive personalities, and all that power can get to your head. If you're convinced that you need a rocket ship of a bike, just know this: You will probably never use more than a fraction of that bike's potential without proper training. If you try to ride that hard without training, or the proper environment in which to do it, I promise you that you'll push yourself to a breaking point and hurt yourself. Take it from the guy whose right arm doesn't work from the elbow up.



Dual Sport:
Dual sports are interesting creatures. If you've ever seen one you might have scratched your head at the sight of it. Dual sports bikes designed to be able to handle riding on the road as well as trail duty. Powerful engines, high stance, flexible suspensions, wind screens and saddle bags are common traits for dual sport bikes. Some dual sports handle city riding better than trail riding, and vice versa. Often times riders will deck out dual sports with accessories like power outlets to power things like GPS or heated gear. It's also not uncommon to see dual sport bikes out on the road in cold or wet road conditions. This style of bike is very popular in Europe.

ADC4S says: I don't have any experience with dual sports. I have seen a fair share of them out on the road and at shows but have never ridden one. If you can get past the funky looks then there's a lot of good reasons to own a dual sport. Think of it as a sport tourer than can also ride through the woods.
Levis Pennae's avatar
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Rename the thread "Official Motorcycle Thread" because the way it is worded know can be construed as a guru thread.
Oh man you are going to haaaate me for this one.

I was thinking of picking up a bike. Something real economical, like a scooter. You seem to know what you're talking about, so what would you recommend? It would have to be a two seater, for when I drag my girl around with me.

I've heard Yamaha is pretty good with scooters, do they make a reliable two seater?
TheMerovingian
Oh man you are going to haaaate me for this one.

I was thinking of picking up a bike. Something real economical, like a scooter. You seem to know what you're talking about, so what would you recommend? It would have to be a two seater, for when I drag my girl around with me.

I've heard Yamaha is pretty good with scooters, do they make a reliable two seater?

Welp, this definitely isn't a good question to ask me. Mostly because I dont know much about who makes what scooter and whether or not they're any good. But in order to commute I'd certainly say scooter over motorcycle. Much like motorcycles most scooters are purpose built so you'll be able to find something that suits your needs. And you do have options.

They range from oddball and cheap Chinese brands for cheap and small stuff, on to name brand machines made by the likes of Vespa, all the way up to companies like Yamaha. If you want a big scooter, Suzuki makes a 650cc model capable of highway speeds. It even comes in Suzuki's flagship white/blue paint job.

Once again, price and what you want your machine to do should play a big part in your final decision. Buying a cheap off-brand might not mean youll end up with a worthless s**t, and spending big bucks on a name brand may end up just being way more than you need at a premium.

Also, riding two-up on a bike can be an art in and of itself. You might not be carving up canyon roads with your scooter but make sure you get some practice with your girl on back before you start taking to the road. In this case, having a good passenger is every bit as important as having a good rider.
Dude.... You put straight ********' work into this thread xD
Crimmy Sun
Dude.... You put straight ********' work into this thread xD

What can I say? I love to ride. And I bet a lot of people on this board would love riding too. Hopefully we can cut out all the threads that pop up with bike questions and people will just post here. And, hopefully, this will help people make smart choices when it comes time to pick a bike and ride.
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Well hello! I thought this would be a cool place to hangout. I'm already familiar with the stuff you posted. I have a motorcycle. heart
Levis Pennae
Rename the thread "Official Motorcycle Thread" because the way it is worded know can be construed as a guru thread.


i didn't know you had the authority to make threads official.

there's not a damn thing 'official' about this thread.
Tadpole Jackson
Levis Pennae
Rename the thread "Official Motorcycle Thread" because the way it is worded know can be construed as a guru thread.


i didn't know you had the authority to make threads official.

there's not a damn thing 'official' about this thread.

I agree with you. But what should I name it?
RestInPeace Frosty Paws
Well hello! I thought this would be a cool place to hangout. I'm already familiar with the stuff you posted. I have a motorcycle. heart
Good. Ideally people will post questions and things here, it'll be good to have someone else's input besides my own.

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