Wow I Love How The Innistrad Cycle Is Over Powered

[Suidaku]

like if anyone has been paying attention to this block you would know that Zombies are really making a come back like it did in the onslaught block plus there are spells in Dark Ascension that are down right evil

[Suidaku]

and since i love mill cards they made a X and one blue card that mills X plus you can play it for it's flash back cost and you can use it again but this time it's doubled! talk about a power card lol thank god i got 2 of them razz

[Suidaku]

only thing i don't really like is how some cards use human creatures for powering themselves up like vampires and demons like i can understand making a black white deck but i don't like conflicting colors like i know it does work out some how just i always find it hard to do

[epiclevelwarrior]

Yeah, none of that is overpowered.

Compare Increasing Confusion to Glimpse the Unthinkable.

I'm not a huge fan of the "sac a human" cards either, but mostly because the good sac engine cards (Bloodghast, Nether Traitor, Reassembling Skeleton) aren't humans.

Also, your posts didn't need to be 3 seperate posts. This is not the chatterbox.

[Suidaku]

epiclevelwarrior

Yeah, none of that is overpowered.

Compare Increasing Confusion to Glimpse the Unthinkable.

I'm not a huge fan of the "sac a human" cards either, but mostly because the good sac engine cards (Bloodghast, Nether Traitor, Reassembling Skeleton) aren't humans.

Also, your posts didn't need to be 3 seperate posts. This is not the chatterbox.

well to you yes, but for me i find a lot of it over powered considering a few of the blue cards returns exiled flash back cards plus if you play a mad wizard deck you mill yourself to death but instead of loosing cause you can't draw you win with that easy to get creature (i already have 4 after opening 12 boosters)

[Banshi]

I think I'm going to sit this thread out.

[Suidaku]

Banshi

I think I'm going to sit this thread out.

ahh don't worry i'm not looking to act like a jackass this time, i'm just amazed how the innistrad cycle really boosts and changes how a lot of decks work ^_^

[Liquidor]

Suidaku

like if anyone has been paying attention to this block you would know that Zombies are really making a come back like it did in the onslaught block

There were zombies in Onslaught?!
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Oh yeah.
Kinda forgot about them after the goblins, elves, soldiers, clerics, dragons, slivers, wizards, etc.

Suidaku

i love mill cards they made a X and one blue card that mills X plus you can play it for it's flash back cost and you can use it again but this time it's doubled! talk about a power card lol thank god i got 2 of them razz

OMG!!! Mill is so overpowered. What stops mill?
Control
Aggro
Combo
ie the rest of the format rolleyes

Suidaku

i don't like conflicting colors like i know it does work out some how just i always find it hard to do

Conflicting colors? do you mean enemy colors? or two color decks?

[epiclevelwarrior]

"Overpowered" is not a matter of opinion, at least not to a large extent.

In this context it is a term with a specific meaning and that meaning is not "really boosts and changes how a lot of decks work."

Roughly it is: "Possessing a power level that eclipses other methods of accomplishing similar goals, to a degree which damages the game."

Innistrad does not meet those criteria.

Yeah, you can self mill in Innistrad. Ever heard of "Cephalid Breakfast"? It was a self mill combo deck from Onlsaught block using Cephalid Illusionist as a mill engine.

Is Innistrad block self mill better than that? If not, it is not "overpowered."

There are some good cards in Innistrad, yeah. It would kinda suck if there weren't. There is a gigantic difference between "has good cards" and "is overpowered."

[Suidaku]

Liquidor

Suidaku

like if anyone has been paying attention to this block you would know that Zombies are really making a come back like it did in the onslaught block

There were zombies in Onslaught?!
.
..
...
....
Oh yeah.
Kinda forgot about them after the goblins, elves, soldiers, clerics, dragons, slivers, wizards, etc.

Suidaku

i love mill cards they made a X and one blue card that mills X plus you can play it for it's flash back cost and you can use it again but this time it's doubled! talk about a power card lol thank god i got 2 of them razz

OMG!!! Mill is so overpowered. What stops mill?
Control
Aggro
Combo
ie the rest of the format rolleyes

Suidaku

i don't like conflicting colors like i know it does work out some how just i always find it hard to do

Conflicting colors? do you mean enemy colors? or two color decks?

ok... i only play blue

decks always have and always will be, when i see spells for blue i go gaga over them, i

specially love X casting cost cards for blue, it mainly due to my everlasting love for being a

spellcaster, i barely use creatures and the ones i use are either walls or elementals it's just my

style of playing i just wish you people would actually be nice for once and understand i don't talk

about other colors i only look at blue and the way i am is i don't buy cards for what wotc say is

awesome or what other sites say this is the card or deck to play, i always have built decks

based on what i like, even if my deck has cards missing that makes it powerful i just don't care i

make fantasy themed decks that makes me feel like a wizard, call my deck lame and how i see

cards as being noobish go ahead and say that, but i play a certain way and i will continue for as

long as i'm into magic (also i spaced out my post so people can actually read without getting a

headache

[Suidaku]

epiclevelwarrior

"Overpowered" is not a matter of opinion, at least not to a large extent.

In this context it is a term with a specific meaning and that meaning is not "really boosts and changes how a lot of decks work."

Roughly it is: "Possessing a power level that eclipses other methods of accomplishing similar goals, to a degree which damages the game."

Innistrad does not meet those criteria.

Yeah, you can self mill in Innistrad. Ever heard of "Cephalid Breakfast"? It was a self mill combo deck from Onlsaught block using Cephalid Illusionist as a mill engine.

Is Innistrad block self mill better than that? If not, it is not "overpowered."

There are some good cards in Innistrad, yeah. It would kinda suck if there weren't. There is a gigantic difference between "has good cards" and "is overpowered."

uhh... all you people do is insult someone elses views on stuff, i don't really care what you all think, for me i'm the type of player that enjoys a fantasy style of playing magic and i base my decks off a theme, not something that someone posts on a site saying this deck is like this and to say this card is powerful, for me any card can be powerful you people see it as only a card game for me i see it as a fantasy RP you all need to relax and stop putting me down for my ideas on the game

[Suidaku]

from what i noticed is that you people always have to make yourselves more superior to me, i make a forum just to talk about the set and all you guys do is bring me down and i'm sick of it and whats sad is it's always the same people doing the same exact thing over and over and over again, like seriously just don't post and say i'm stupid or whatever cause i'm far from it i hate your type of people once and awhile someone posts something that is actually not mean or offensive and i enjoy talking to them, so for now on i'm just going to ignore your negative comments on my style of the game and respond to people who actually have positive replies

[Liquidor]

Ok, you've described yourself to me as a casual player, who by generalization tends to be a below average player. Someone who basically goes, "I only play this color because such and such" and ignores any other color, tends to fall under the below average player description. This is them limiting themselves cardswise and playwise to the point where they generally don't win games because everyone else didn't limit themselves. In truth, there's nothing wrong with doing such if all you want to do is have fun.

Recently an acquaintance of an old friend told me that he considered himself to be an average player. The acquaintance didn't agree as he thought that other was one of the best players he's seen. I agreed with him and considered the circumstances. This old friend of mine plays against the best in the state and in the world. He does well enough against them to be at their level but not good enough to be placed above them. Thus he would be average. In terms of professional players, who you don't generally hear about but do get some money out of it by going to the events.

I consider myself to be above average, as I have the cards and the stats to back up any claim I make. What I don't have is results like I haven't won a PTQ (Pro Tour Qualifier) and I've been in the Top 8 once. I chalk this up to luck (which in the long run is just an excuse) due to me losing more games to deck failure (ie mana screw/flood) than a bad matchup.

Suidaku

for now on i'm just going to ignore your negative comments on my style of the game and respond to people who actually have positive replies

I'd say most of us are trying to get you to realize that your way of thinking hinders you as a magic player and trying to get you to open up to proper advice. A random rant about how the sky is green and the birds are calling when we're trying to understand how you want to build a deck and what we should suggest for it, is going to make anyone smack you in the back of the head.

[Emrakul]

Overpowered is such an overused term, and this standard is quite tame in comparision to some recent standards of memory. The card powerlevel is actually quite low even in comparision to the last format. Stromkirk is no gobbo guide and there are many other examples of decks making due with cards they wouldn't normally play just because the options are slightly weaker. INN is based around flavor over mechanics and it just oozes flavor, not titan class beaters. The titan cycle is above the power curve but right now not even amazing because games are more tempo based. Its almost a healthy format (minus the delver issue but that should be shaken up real quick thanks DA). There are some powerful/synergistic things going on but nothing broken. I think calling this block OP is a crying shame when there are still decks in recent memory that just dominated by being head and shoulders above everything else.

[Raeoran]

ISD block, really? Did you play when Lorwyn block was legal? Or when Mirrodin block was legal? Or... have you actually played competitive Magic?