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So, this is the thread to discuss your theories for Worldwake, and post any spoilers you may come across.
Also, feel free to discuss how cards in here would impact the meta, and story info, etc. :] |
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So how 'bout that Convertible Turtle?
Maro said it is a turtle by creature type. Is it just me, or is this block kinda flooded with obscure animal creature types? We have Crocodiles, Antelopes, Turtles, Crabs, Snakes, Octopus, and Jellyfish. |
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Convertible from what or two what?
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LiaThistle Convertible from what or two what? He didn't say. He just showed the edges of the card. |
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Designer Genes LiaThistle Convertible from what or two what? He didn't say. He just showed the edges of the card. No, you asked for thoughts on it. Those are my current thoughts. |
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LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle Convertible from what or two what? He didn't say. He just showed the edges of the card. No, you asked for thoughts on it. Those are my current thoughts. Ohhhh... P: I think it is going to be a mill based card, personally. You know, takes the top off. P: |
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Designer Genes LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle Convertible from what or two what? He didn't say. He just showed the edges of the card. No, you asked for thoughts on it. Those are my current thoughts. Ohhhh... P: I think it is going to be a mill based card, personally. You know, takes the top off. P: ....must resist urge to do inappropriate things regarding "top" and "off"...after all, Ishka may read this, and I don't want to tip my hand too much. Anyways, I dunno. While it may be mill, I think that the card is more likely to be "Landfall - whenever you play a land, you may switch this creature's power and toughness until end of turn." As a 1/4 for 2U, of course. |
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LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle Convertible from what or two what? He didn't say. He just showed the edges of the card. No, you asked for thoughts on it. Those are my current thoughts. Ohhhh... P: I think it is going to be a mill based card, personally. You know, takes the top off. P: ....must resist urge to do inappropriate things regarding "top" and "off"...after all, Ishka may read this, and I don't want to tip my hand too much. Anyways, I dunno. While it may be mill, I think that the card is more likely to be "Landfall - whenever you play a land, you may switch this creature's power and toughness until end of turn." As a 1/4 for 2U, of course. Maro said there were rules complications involved with Convertible Turtle, and how it got a slight power boost when it moved from Zendikar to Worldwake. I doubt that it simply switching power and toughness would give it rules complications, since they make cards that do that a lot (in fact, it is Maro's favorite effect.) |
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Designer Genes LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle Convertible from what or two what? He didn't say. He just showed the edges of the card. No, you asked for thoughts on it. Those are my current thoughts. Ohhhh... P: I think it is going to be a mill based card, personally. You know, takes the top off. P: ....must resist urge to do inappropriate things regarding "top" and "off"...after all, Ishka may read this, and I don't want to tip my hand too much. Anyways, I dunno. While it may be mill, I think that the card is more likely to be "Landfall - whenever you play a land, you may switch this creature's power and toughness until end of turn." As a 1/4 for 2U, of course. Maro said there were rules complications involved with Convertible Turtle, and how it got a slight power boost when it moved from Zendikar to Worldwake. I doubt that it simply switching power and toughness would give it rules complications, since they make cards that do that a lot (in fact, it is Maro's favorite effect.) Let's see here, the key is that it gets a power boost. Rules complications happen for tons of cards. Hmm...what would it get in terms of power boost? 1) Constructed doesn't make a difference. Since the sets are all fair game, there's no real power shift at all in a format in terms of individual cards. Interactions showing up, yes, but the cards themselves do not change. 2) This leads to it being something in Limited. Constructed with Z/W = 3 Z, 3 W, and Sanctioned Draft = 2 Z, 1 W. So, something about that quantity makes it powerful. But what? We're dealing with lands as a probable focus, due to the set. There's likely to be a new mechanic, as well as some kicker changes. So let's eliminate the past. Landfall is not a rules issue, unless it involves countering a spell - in which case, playing lands in response to trigger landfall isn't really hard to do, just green. Nor is it a complicated matter; its as formulaic as Mogg Fanatic used to be. So its not Landfall. Nor is it kicker - kicker always happens immediately, and is a part of paying the cost. Kicker works with Buyback, Flashback, playing a card via Dream Halls/whatever, so giving it Kicker would not in any way stretch the rules. No other past mechanics are back, so that's it for old stuff. Its the spin on Kicker, as well as the new mechanic, that, in combination with the ratio of cards (3/3 or 2/1) that makes the card "gain power." Unless...it is convertible because it isn't wholly a creature. It's a land/creature. Think Zoetic Caverns, but backwards. And I think that's enough of me trying to crack an egg with minimal information. The mark is clearly that way, while I'm over here. |
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LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle No, you asked for thoughts on it. Those are my current thoughts. Ohhhh... P: I think it is going to be a mill based card, personally. You know, takes the top off. P: ....must resist urge to do inappropriate things regarding "top" and "off"...after all, Ishka may read this, and I don't want to tip my hand too much. Anyways, I dunno. While it may be mill, I think that the card is more likely to be "Landfall - whenever you play a land, you may switch this creature's power and toughness until end of turn." As a 1/4 for 2U, of course. Maro said there were rules complications involved with Convertible Turtle, and how it got a slight power boost when it moved from Zendikar to Worldwake. I doubt that it simply switching power and toughness would give it rules complications, since they make cards that do that a lot (in fact, it is Maro's favorite effect.) Let's see here, the key is that it gets a power boost. Rules complications happen for tons of cards. Hmm...what would it get in terms of power boost? 1) Constructed doesn't make a difference. Since the sets are all fair game, there's no real power shift at all in a format in terms of individual cards. Interactions showing up, yes, but the cards themselves do not change. 2) This leads to it being something in Limited. Constructed with Z/W = 3 Z, 3 W, and Sanctioned Draft = 2 Z, 1 W. So, something about that quantity makes it powerful. But what? We're dealing with lands as a probable focus, due to the set. There's likely to be a new mechanic, as well as some kicker changes. So let's eliminate the past. Landfall is not a rules issue, unless it involves countering a spell - in which case, playing lands in response to trigger landfall isn't really hard to do, just green. Nor is it a complicated matter; its as formulaic as Mogg Fanatic used to be. So its not Landfall. Nor is it kicker - kicker always happens immediately, and is a part of paying the cost. Kicker works with Buyback, Flashback, playing a card via Dream Halls/whatever, so giving it Kicker would not in any way stretch the rules. No other past mechanics are back, so that's it for old stuff. Its the spin on Kicker, as well as the new mechanic, that, in combination with the ratio of cards (3/3 or 2/1) that makes the card "gain power." Unless...it is convertible because it isn't wholly a creature. It's a land/creature. Think Zoetic Caverns, but backwards. And I think that's enough of me trying to crack an egg with minimal information. The mark is clearly that way, while I'm over here. Well, to simplify things, it is a common blue creature, and the border looks like a normal blue card. Possibly an activated ability with kicker? Also, interesting to note, is that the CMC is said to be UUU. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=96726&d=1255320600 |
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It definitely has UU at the end of its cost, and if I were to magnify it, I'm guessing that last spec of color would turn out to make the cost at least UUU.
If it gains power in WW due to this, then that leans to there being some sort of manafixing in WW that surpasses Zen's. Also, it is definitely a creature in the base, and the rules fill up the entire text. Hmm...now that I've read the Salvation info on it, a few things are a little clearer. The power boost has nothing to do with the shift, eliminating that straw. Since I doubt that P/T was actually changed, that means the effect was changed. Landfall - affect some lands with a bizarre ability. |
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LiaThistle It definitely has UU at the end of its cost, and if I were to magnify it, I'm guessing that last spec of color would turn out to make the cost at least UUU. If it gains power in WW due to this, then that leans to there being some sort of manafixing in WW that surpasses Zen's. Also, it is definitely a creature in the base, and the rules fill up the entire text. Hmm...now that I've read the Salvation info on it, a few things are a little clearer. The power boost has nothing to do with the shift, eliminating that straw. Since I doubt that P/T was actually changed, that means the effect was changed. Landfall - affect some lands with a bizarre ability. I can't think of a bizarre ability that Maro would tote on about at common level. Do we know for sure it has landfall? |
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Designer Genes LiaThistle It definitely has UU at the end of its cost, and if I were to magnify it, I'm guessing that last spec of color would turn out to make the cost at least UUU. If it gains power in WW due to this, then that leans to there being some sort of manafixing in WW that surpasses Zen's. Also, it is definitely a creature in the base, and the rules fill up the entire text. Hmm...now that I've read the Salvation info on it, a few things are a little clearer. The power boost has nothing to do with the shift, eliminating that straw. Since I doubt that P/T was actually changed, that means the effect was changed. Landfall - affect some lands with a bizarre ability. I can't think of a bizarre ability that Maro would tote on about at common level. Do we know for sure it has landfall? Taken straight from Salvation: "He states that it has a neat Landfall ability." And, bizarre might mean "Two target lands become Islands until end of turn," which would make for some layering rules to be applied to lands due to things like Spreading Seas, Evil Presence, etc. Does the Enchantment/Aura overwrite the Turtle, or does the Turtle overwrite the Aura? |
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LiaThistle Designer Genes LiaThistle It definitely has UU at the end of its cost, and if I were to magnify it, I'm guessing that last spec of color would turn out to make the cost at least UUU. If it gains power in WW due to this, then that leans to there being some sort of manafixing in WW that surpasses Zen's. Also, it is definitely a creature in the base, and the rules fill up the entire text. Hmm...now that I've read the Salvation info on it, a few things are a little clearer. The power boost has nothing to do with the shift, eliminating that straw. Since I doubt that P/T was actually changed, that means the effect was changed. Landfall - affect some lands with a bizarre ability. I can't think of a bizarre ability that Maro would tote on about at common level. Do we know for sure it has landfall? Taken straight from Salvation: "He states that it has a neat Landfall ability." And, bizarre might mean "Two target lands become Islands until end of turn," which would make for some layering rules to be applied to lands due to things like Spreading Seas, Evil Presence, etc. Does the Enchantment/Aura overwrite the Turtle, or does the Turtle overwrite the Aura? You know, I knew it had Landfall, I just kinda... forgot. P: I'm hoping it is something truly interesting, instead of something we can guess to be honest. |
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