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[DrakeEvancore]

Metamagic Mastery doesn't really need changing. That ability really reflects a sense of diversity and clear understanding of how to manipulate spells.

So the replacement would have to be for Hand of the Apprentice. A limited use ability.

[DrakeEvancore]

Though I have to say Hand of the Apprentice is better most of the other limited use abilities.

Diviner's Fortune, Dazing Touch, and blinding ray don't last very long.

Acid Dart, Force Missile, and Telekinetic Fist can't match to the damage output of Hand of the Apprentice as you could use multiple weapons to make the attacks. And you could easily outpace damage much earlier.

Grave Touch and Protective Ward, are matched to usefulness.

So maybe Metamagic Mastery should replaced, I mean its the only advanced ability that requires the wizard to have a certain kind of feat to be useful.

[DrakeEvancore]

Note I'm not comparing the Universalists abilities to the abilities: Resistance, Summoner's Charm, Enchanting Smile, Intense Spells, Forewarned, Extended Illusions, Power over Undead, or Physical Enhancement. These are the abilities that a specialist gains for their sacrifice.

[Insanity Logic]

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/test

Well, from what I can see...

Perhaps all we have to do really is take out the improved familiar option that us guys at the homebrew added,

Then keep merely the spells known.


Thus the specialists get an extra spell slot, though the universalists would know more spells.

I dunno...

[DrakeEvancore]

Erg...my post was eaten.

Quote:

Universalist School: What can I say? Give up one spell casting of every level you can cast, so that spells from 2 schools of your choice don't take double slots to memorize? This is an absolutely terrible, awful, dismal deal. Being a generalist in Pathfinder is a practice in masochism, don't do it.

From Treant's analysis, I think the real problem is the way he is looking at it. You don't give up one spell casting every level. The default is Universalist. Therefore Specialists gain an additional casting.

[Insanity Logic]

DrakeEvancore

Erg...my post was eaten.

Quote:

Universalist School: What can I say? Give up one spell casting of every level you can cast, so that spells from 2 schools of your choice don't take double slots to memorize? This is an absolutely terrible, awful, dismal deal. Being a generalist in Pathfinder is a practice in masochism, don't do it.

From Treant's analysis, I think the real problem is the way he is looking at it. You don't give up one spell casting every level. The default is Universalist. Therefore Specialists gain an additional casting.

Yeah but, specialist mine as well be a default now, and he's looking at it from an optimizers point of view.

Though I'll take the stand that he could be wrong / I could be wrong, whichever it is, ANYWAY.

>.> -Rolls around- I'm soooo bored ><

[DrakeEvancore]

Well see an optimizer perspective is not a good reason to change something.

[DrakeEvancore]

Also I'd like to point out that the abilities aren't the issue. Universalist's abilities were in the top three of ability choices. His nitpick is the 'loss' of spells per day.

[Insanity Logic]

I should start talking about the APG classes. I heard they were gonna release PFPG 2 a month after apg.


Your first point there. Is an argument finisher. You win, sir.

Your second point, I know, that's why I said keep the two abilities as are and just make it so they get additional spells known (not per day) So it's alternate and more universalist like.

I dunno anyway

I'll drop that little thingy of trying to help those guys. I've gotta worry about my Campaigns, and my organization of homebrew and such which I REALLY need to sort/finish so that I can get it the freak off my computer, and or use it >< lol


Found this in my random file. (Acquired from Pathfinder Database)

Personally, I'm thinking it's sort of a bad idea, but I dunno... Sooo

Comments?


Dual Channeling
You can channel both negative and positive energy.
Prerequsites: Cha 13, channel energy class feature,
worshiper of Nethys or Pharasma.
Benefit: You can channel negative and positive
energy. You must choose which type of energy you are
channeling each time you channel energy.
In addition, if you have the ability to spontaneously
cast cure or inflict spells, you can now cast either.
Normal: You must choose whether to channel
either negative or positive energy when you acquire
the ability.

Quote:

Oh, and for when the Robot over-lords take over.

"Thou shalt not beget electro-magnestism in the presen of your Lord."

[DrakeEvancore]

I'd probably remove the diety requirement and replace with "cannot be good or evil"....possibly raise the charisma requirment.

[Insanity Logic]

Decided to cut drugs from my game entirely ><

D&D really should have did an official thing on drug like items though... Would have added another level of realism.

STOP SMUGGLING BLACK LOTUS! >>

[Insanity Logic]

Dual Channeling
You can channel both negative and positive energy.
Prerequsites: Cha 15, channel energy class feature, Lawful, True, or Chaotic Neutral.
Benefit: You can channel negative and positive energy. You must choose which type of energy you are channeling each time you channel energy.
In addition, if you have the ability to spontaneously cast cure or inflict spells, you can now cast either.
Normal: You must choose whether to channel either negative or positive energy when you acquire the ability.
Special: If at anytime you are of Good or Evil Alignment you lose the ability to manipulate both types of energy, and must choose one type to channel until you reattain Lawful, True, or Chaotic Neutral Alignment.

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Improvised Flurry

A monk can use an improvised weapon as part of their flurry of blows.

Prerequisites: Catch Off-Guard or Throw Anything

Benefit: You are able to use an improvised melee or ranged weapon in a flurry of blows. You still suffer the penalties for using an improvised weapon if you do not have the appropriate prerequisite feat when using an improvised weapon you are not proficient in (Catch Off-Guard for melee, Throw Anything for ranged).

Normal: You can make a flurry of blows with unarmed attacks or monk weapons only.
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Just found this feat <.<

[DrakeEvancore]

Why not Lawful Neutral?

[Insanity Logic]

Insanity Logic

Dual Channeling
You can channel both negative and positive energy.
Prerequsites: Cha 15, channel energy class feature, Lawful, True, or Chaotic Neutral.
Benefit: You can channel negative and positive energy. You must choose which type of energy you are channeling each time you channel energy.
In addition, if you have the ability to spontaneously cast cure or inflict spells, you can now cast either.
Normal: You must choose whether to channel either negative or positive energy when you acquire the ability.
Special: If at anytime you are of Good or Evil Alignment you lose the ability to manipulate both types of energy, and must choose one type to channel until you reattain Lawful, True, or Chaotic Neutral Alignment.

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Improvised Flurry

A monk can use an improvised weapon as part of their flurry of blows.

Prerequisites: Catch Off-Guard or Throw Anything

Benefit: You are able to use an improvised melee or ranged weapon in a flurry of blows. You still suffer the penalties for using an improvised weapon if you do not have the appropriate prerequisite feat when using an improvised weapon you are not proficient in (Catch Off-Guard for melee, Throw Anything for ranged).

Normal: You can make a flurry of blows with unarmed attacks or monk weapons only.
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Just found this feat <.<

Fixed, would you believe that I forgot it existed >.> I am spacey man <.< No, I do not do drugs >.> I must just be temporarily stupid >.>

[DrakeEvancore]

Flurry of blows with a ranged attack?