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[ Poll ] It's Pathfinder!!!! 

Like Pathfinder?

Yep 0.25 25.0% [ 61 ]
Seems good 0.1844262295082 18.4% [ 45 ]
No 0.086065573770492 8.6% [ 21 ]
I'm Alpha testing it 0.094262295081967 9.4% [ 23 ]
Whats pathfinder? 0.25 25.0% [ 61 ]
I'm a whore 0.028688524590164 2.9% [ 7 ]
I'm a bigger whore 0.10655737704918 10.7% [ 26 ]
Total Votes: 244
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The reason I'm so touch about Bards(and Gnomes come to that) us mainly do to how the WotC 4e developers basically disowned and dismissed both during the inital design. I know Jason and crew did a much better job at respecting the material overal but it just struck me the wrong way when the preview came up. It also doesn't help that there wasn't enough follow through to catch the Cronicler.
 
     
 
Its true the Chronicler should have been caught. I mean that's not some small thing to slip through the cracks. Its a whole prestige class.
     
What do you mean should have been caught, I'm confuzzled. What about the prestige class the PF Chronicler ??
 
     
 
I love Pathfinder, I have been playing it since it first was released as a free PDF file, I then..printed it all out...

I have to say that I like the changes they made to the class skills, and now all the 0 level spells are at will, the special abilities each class gets... I have enjoyed every minuet of gaming so far.

I will admit that I am rather disapointed in Wizards, when they made the switch to 4.0 they lost a lot of the old time gamers and a lot of the big spenders too...

I have been playing D&D since 1998, and I still love it, and Pathfinder is the way to go now since 4.0 has butchered everything that I loved in 3.0 & 3.5 The game seems too much like a video game and all the characters seem to have no personality and are almost literally the same, there is very little room for the individuality of the character, or at least that I have found.
     
Insanity Logic
What do you mean should have been caught, I'm confuzzled. What about the prestige class the PF Chronicler ??


Just read it slowly. The major errors should jump out at you if you keep Bardic Music (now called Performance) in mind, and the change from days to rounds.

Hello Lord_of_night. Have you gotten a skull buster hard copy yet biggrin ? I to had many objections to the direction taken for 4th Edition D&D. However as it is still seemingly financially viable for them so I'll leave them to it and choose to ignore it. Instead focus on using and perhaps improving the OGL system. Although I do have a funnily related comment. As D&D simplifies for 'ease of use and play' many RPG video games are getting more complex(difficult one could say) in allowing/forcing players to program their own companion AIs. Recent Final Fantasies, and Dragon Age (which I'm currently playing) come to mind.
 
     
 
I wish that I could play Dragon Age, my computer isn't good enough. lol.


I read the chronicler, I am not seeing what you mean. I'm oblivious, so you're going to have to tell me if you want me to know what ya mean.


Anyway. I'm reading a Dragonlance book right now, War of Souls, volume 1, Tasslehof makes me laugh.

I'll post my greed coins soon if I haven't. I'm trying to figure out a price for their construction. I've just been lazy.
     
Anyway, so question, if someone were to slay a succubus on the Prime Material Plane, it is sent back to the Abyss, correct??

How long until it can return again to the Prime Material Plane?
 
     
 
It depends how it was brought there. Their are generally two ways to get Outsides to Prime. Summoning or Calling, although plane travel magic is also possible. A Summoned (see the sub-school attached to the conjuration spells like Summon Monster) creature vanishes and reforms/returns to its home plane. Called creatures are brought permanently to the plain and when killed die dead. An Outsider that plane travels is under the same problem as a Called creature, it will die if killed.

A quick way for a non-native Outsider to get out of a bad situation is to get themselves banished back to their home plane. Dismissal is a Cleric 4 or Wiz/Sorc 5 as apposed to Plane Shift at Cleric 5 or Wiz/Sorc 7. This for those cases where another spell or effect can't get them out of trouble.

There is also a decent amount of flavor in most settings on Outsiders that their core essence is never permanently destroyed. For a lack of better work they eventually "reincarnate" in a nearly identical form. This is often described as having limited memories of their past life but they are a different entity and may have a different personality (within the limits of Outsider race).

The PF Chronicler still lists their main abilty as
PRD
Bardic Music (Su): At 3rd level, a Pathfinder chronicler gains this ability, which functions like the bard class feature of the same name, except that the chronicler's effective bard level is 2 lower than her class level. Levels in this class stack with levels in any other class that grants a similar ability to determine her effective bard level.


That was changed to Bardic Performance on the bard, a minor issue unless your hard core RAW eater. As there technically isn't an ability called "Bardic Music" anymore, so it adds to nothing (very very hard core RAW).

Additionally (Greater) Epic Tales, Whispering Campaign(odd point here), and Inspire Action all still use the Use per Day mechanic of Bardic Music and not the rewritten Bardic Performance. To odd point Whispering Campaign also doesn't mention how many daily uses it consumes for its various options, so one would be inclined to assume 1 day for type.

If you convert it directly as is you get some very strange and likely unknown problems (like a great deal of problems that the change in Bardic Music/Performance brought with it, and should have been mass tested before hand). For most is Inspire Action which lets you grant an ally a Move Action(later a Standard Action) for 1 Round of Rounds/Day (or 1 Daily use interoperated literally). Granted that's going really out a limb for rules interoperation but that's the mess they left when they missed the PF Chronicler in their sudden change in the Bard rules. It makes the PF Chronicler virtually useless and broken (in both senses) out of the box.
     
Cooperate with those who have both know-how and integrity.

Squeeze every last drop out of those insolent, musical, peasants.

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Game last night went well. Was actually playing a bard NPC whom due to a lack of player was taking a more active role than he normally would. But using in two combats he used his bardic performance for 3 rounds each.
 
     
If you desire inks or bugs, or trash. Just send me a trade request labeled whatever items you want, and I'll give them to you if I have them.
Did I become Insanity Logic or did my subscribed thread glitch.
 
     
     
 
DrakeEvancore
Game last night went well. Was actually playing a bard NPC whom due to a lack of player was taking a more active role than he normally would. But using in two combats he used his bardic performance for 3 rounds each.

It's not just you, it's all of Gaia which is glitching.
 
     
Seph's on a quest, help?
84/250 white inks OR many Red/Blue/Green inks

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4O4 Error
Who else is playtesting?

What HP method are you using?
What Level Characters?
What kind of Characters are in the group?
Is it fun? (for you)
What do you think of the new Domain Powers and Specialization Powers?


Lets get some talk going on!
 
     
 
Woah...funked up. THe posts are appearing at the top of the page out of order no less.
     
"I am last minute stuff."
Brasten
Insanity Logic
What do you mean should have been caught, I'm confuzzled. What about the prestige class the PF Chronicler ??


Just read it slowly. The major errors should jump out at you if you keep Bardic Music (now called Performance) in mind, and the change from days to rounds.

Hello Lord_of_night. Have you gotten a skull buster hard copy yet biggrin ? I to had many objections to the direction taken for 4th Edition D&D. However as it is still seemingly financially viable for them so I'll leave them to it and choose to ignore it. Instead focus on using and perhaps improving the OGL system. Although I do have a funnily related comment. As D&D simplifies for 'ease of use and play' many RPG video games are getting more complex(difficult one could say) in allowing/forcing players to program their own companion AIs. Recent Final Fantasies, and Dragon Age (which I'm currently playing) come to mind.


Except Dragon Age isn't complex in the least.

The dumbing down of RPG's is universal.
 
     
"Strike fast and suddenly. Attack without warning. Secure victory before the enemy is aware of his danger. Remember always, a war is easily won if your enemy does not know he is fighting."

- Lord Solar Macharius
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