★ CHAOTIC's Yugioh TCG Thread ★

What do you think of Xyz Monsters?

They make the game more interesting.	51.9%	[ 14 ]
They make the game more difficult.	7.4%	[ 2 ]
I don't care.	29.6%	[ 8 ]
I don't understand them.	11.1%	[ 3 ]
Total Votes:			[ 27 ]

[LOL LYK STFU MANGS]

ShadowXana2007

Okay, on a different note, I personally would like a question answered regarding my deck..

I know cards that work based off of levels (burden of the mighty and others) don't faze Xyz monsters, but what if a monster's effect states along the lines of "If the only face up monsters you control are level 'x' or lower, this card can attack directly", can it still attack directly if an Xyz monster is on the field? The card by the way is Dewdark of the Ice Barrier, part of a unique Water focused mischief/beat down deck I am trying to create for fun..

Based on what I do know, I would surmise that Dewdark can indeed still attack directly since Xyz monsters don't have levels..yet on that same note I am unsure since they don't have a level it would prevent dewdark as not all the monsters on my side of the field are by technicality level 2 or lower..

Any solid answer or info would be greatly appreciated.

I assume no because it says "if the [only] face up monsters you control" and the xyz is face up but it's level is not x or lower. but really you're better off asking this in the other ygo thread

[ShadowXana2007]

Okay, I'll try my luck there then. Thanks.

[kolikolik]

LOL LYK STFU MANGS

ShadowXana2007

Okay, on a different note, I personally would like a question answered regarding my deck..

I know cards that work based off of levels (burden of the mighty and others) don't faze Xyz monsters, but what if a monster's effect states along the lines of "If the only face up monsters you control are level 'x' or lower, this card can attack directly", can it still attack directly if an Xyz monster is on the field? The card by the way is Dewdark of the Ice Barrier, part of a unique Water focused mischief/beat down deck I am trying to create for fun..

Based on what I do know, I would surmise that Dewdark can indeed still attack directly since Xyz monsters don't have levels..yet on that same note I am unsure since they don't have a level it would prevent dewdark as not all the monsters on my side of the field are by technicality level 2 or lower..

Any solid answer or info would be greatly appreciated.

I assume no because it says "if the [only] face up monsters you control" and the xyz is face up but it's level is not x or lower. but really you're better off asking this in the other ygo thread

This is kinda creepy, but at a tournament i was at the other day, the (near) exact same question was asked, Xyz's don't count as any level, officially konami is calling it "rank" and it doesn't count as any level. So any card that says if the level is 'x' or lower is allowed. Just like how the traps and spells that limit level 'x' or higher don't affect them

[ShadowXana2007]

Thats interesting..I guess my first suspicion was correct then..thanks for all the help!

[Gravitational Molestation]

kolikolik

LOL LYK STFU MANGS

ShadowXana2007

Okay, on a different note, I personally would like a question answered regarding my deck..

I know cards that work based off of levels (burden of the mighty and others) don't faze Xyz monsters, but what if a monster's effect states along the lines of "If the only face up monsters you control are level 'x' or lower, this card can attack directly", can it still attack directly if an Xyz monster is on the field? The card by the way is Dewdark of the Ice Barrier, part of a unique Water focused mischief/beat down deck I am trying to create for fun..

Based on what I do know, I would surmise that Dewdark can indeed still attack directly since Xyz monsters don't have levels..yet on that same note I am unsure since they don't have a level it would prevent dewdark as not all the monsters on my side of the field are by technicality level 2 or lower..

Any solid answer or info would be greatly appreciated.

I assume no because it says "if the [only] face up monsters you control" and the xyz is face up but it's level is not x or lower. but really you're better off asking this in the other ygo thread

This is kinda creepy, but at a tournament i was at the other day, the (near) exact same question was asked, Xyz's don't count as any level, officially konami is calling it "rank" and it doesn't count as any level. So any card that says if the level is 'x' or lower is allowed. Just like how the traps and spells that limit level 'x' or higher don't affect them

No. Just, no. Dewdark's text, as stated is "If the only monsters you control are level 2 or lower...". A Xyz monster has no level, not a level of 0. You control a monster that has no level, not a level that is 2 or lower. Dewdark cannot attack directly.

[Gravitational Molestation]

ShadowXana2007

Thats interesting..I guess my first suspicion was correct then..thanks for all the help!

Quoting you to make you see my previous post to correct the incorrect ruling he made.

[ShadowXana2007]

Okay, now with the huge mixed rulings here, I'm as confused if not more confused than before...perhaps I should find a way to go to a tournament and ask a judge in particular for a ruling...

[Gravitational Molestation]

ShadowXana2007

Okay, now with the huge mixed rulings here, I'm as confused if not more confused than before...perhaps I should find a way to go to a tournament and ask a judge in particular for a ruling...

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1003207

Basically think of it like this...
Dewdark to work requires two things. A monster, and that monster's level to be level 2 or lower.
A Mystic Shine Ball would allow Dewdark to attack directly.
A Formula Synchron would allow Dewdark to attack directly.
Now let's try to apply this to Xyz monsters.
Xyz monsters ARE monsters, check the first requirement off.
Now, let's check the Xyz's level... it doesn't exist. It is not 0, it simply doesn't exist. It doesn't have a level to check so it doesn't work. It doesn't just autosubstitute it with 0, it looks for a level and simply can't find it so it can't check it off the list.

[kolikolik]

Gravitational Molestation

ShadowXana2007

Okay, now with the huge mixed rulings here, I'm as confused if not more confused than before...perhaps I should find a way to go to a tournament and ask a judge in particular for a ruling...

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1003207

Basically think of it like this...
Dewdark to work requires two things. A monster, and that monster's level to be level 2 or lower.
A Mystic Shine Ball would allow Dewdark to attack directly.
A Formula Synchron would allow Dewdark to attack directly.
Now let's try to apply this to Xyz monsters.
Xyz monsters ARE monsters, check the first requirement off.
Now, let's check the Xyz's level... it doesn't exist. It is not 0, it simply doesn't exist. It doesn't have a level to check so it doesn't work. It doesn't just autosubstitute it with 0, it looks for a level and simply can't find it so it can't check it off the list.

Going by that ruling, then the spell or trap cards that limit monsters by level WOULD affect them, but they don't.

[Saiyan Knight Mk-II]

Gravitational Molestation

kolikolik

@GM: Absolutely correct, sir.

@Kolikolik: I really wish people that didn't know what they were talking about would just... Stop posting. Just, like... Just stop. lol. You're spreading misinformation based on rulings that refer to Gravity Bind and Level Limit - Area B, among other things, that imply they are allowed to attack.

This is a situation that is not comparable to that. If anything, the text for Drillago is more appropriate for cross-reference. It says:

"If the only cards your opponent controls are face-up monsters with 1600 or more ATK, this monster can attack your opponent directly."

If they control a Spell or Trap card, then your Drillago is incapable of attacking, because it is not a face-up monster with 1600 or more ATK. Likewise, with Dewdark, an Xyz is not a monster with a level of 1 or 2, and will prevent the ability to attack directly.

Research before you answer, please. emotion_bigheart

[Saiyan Knight Mk-II]

kolikolik

Gravitational Molestation

ShadowXana2007

Okay, now with the huge mixed rulings here, I'm as confused if not more confused than before...perhaps I should find a way to go to a tournament and ask a judge in particular for a ruling...

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1003207

Basically think of it like this...
Dewdark to work requires two things. A monster, and that monster's level to be level 2 or lower.
A Mystic Shine Ball would allow Dewdark to attack directly.
A Formula Synchron would allow Dewdark to attack directly.
Now let's try to apply this to Xyz monsters.
Xyz monsters ARE monsters, check the first requirement off.
Now, let's check the Xyz's level... it doesn't exist. It is not 0, it simply doesn't exist. It doesn't have a level to check so it doesn't work. It doesn't just autosubstitute it with 0, it looks for a level and simply can't find it so it can't check it off the list.

Going by that ruling, then the spell or trap cards that limit monsters by level WOULD affect them, but they don't.

To address you directly, the reason that Gravity Bind and Level Limit - Area B do not effect Xyz Monsters is because they say "Level 4 and Higher monsters..." which they are not. However, if they said "All monsters that are not Level 3 and Lower cannot attack", then they WOULD affect Xyz, because they are not Level 1, 2 or 3. Do you see the difference?

[ShadowXana2007]

I understand now, and a similar ruling also may be comparable. Look at monsters with "????" ATK and cards that search for a set ATK. Sangan could not look for monsters with ???? ATK since that is not a specified ATK that is 1500 or under. Would this be a somewhat related way to look at my question as well?

[Saiyan Knight Mk-II]

ShadowXana2007

I understand now, and a similar ruling also may be comparable. Look at monsters with "????" ATK and cards that search for a set ATK. Sangan could not look for monsters with ???? ATK since that is not a specified ATK that is 1500 or under. Would this be a somewhat related way to look at my question as well?

Well, not EXACTLY, but it is somewhat similar.