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If it went all the way around the country, wonder if it would rival the Great Wall of China.... /chinstroke/


Absolutely. emotion_dealwithit

The great wall of China is only about 5,500 miles long, compared to about 7500 for the U.S., and that includes trenches and natural barriers, and not just man made walls. Although, some newer estimates include "branches" (some of it is archaeological), that make it about 13,000 miles long.

All across the U.S., it would be way more than this, at 19,500 miles! blaugh


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I'm in California and we desperately need Mexicans to keep picking our crops, collecting our trash, and landscaping what remains of our lawns, trees, and gardens. They are doing extremely important, heavily physical jobs for low pay and they do their jobs well because they know they'll be shot or conscripted into the cartel armies if they go back to Mexico. The white Muricans who support this wall idea are not going to do these jobs.


You have little faith in your own people - they can and will do these jobs; contrary to what you might believe not everyone is "too rich and white" to snub them.

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adorabunnii
I'm in California and we desperately need Mexicans to keep picking our crops, collecting our trash, and landscaping what remains of our lawns, trees, and gardens. They are doing extremely important, heavily physical jobs for low pay and they do their jobs well because they know they'll be shot or conscripted into the cartel armies if they go back to Mexico. The white Muricans who support this wall idea are not going to do these jobs.


You have little faith in your own people - they can and will do these jobs; contrary to what you might believe not everyone is "too rich and white" to snub them.



Not everyone, but not nearly enough to fill the void unless it becomes mandatory in high school.

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Kaltros
adorabunnii
I'm in California and we desperately need Mexicans to keep picking our crops, collecting our trash, and landscaping what remains of our lawns, trees, and gardens. They are doing extremely important, heavily physical jobs for low pay and they do their jobs well because they know they'll be shot or conscripted into the cartel armies if they go back to Mexico. The white Muricans who support this wall idea are not going to do these jobs. Then we really will be a third-world country. We need guest worker visas, not a wall.


Give me a break. California business people just like keeping more money for themselves, even if they have to employ de facto slave labor. And even assuming your point about white Americans is correct (which it isn't) , don't you think at least some black or Latino Americans would be willing to work in agriculture? Or are Liberals just throwing blacks under the bus now?


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We will also be helping Mexico get out from under the cartels, thus making it easier for Mexicans to actually live in Mexico. That also means fewer will come here to work manual labor. If our economy doesn't improve, all the people begging for a wall will be begging for the Mexicans to come back - because it'll be them picking the crops, collecting the trash, and landscaping what remains of the lawns, trees, and gardens.


Well this is a pretty racist view of Mexicans. You think they only know how to pick crops and collect trash?


Of course we like keeping money for ourselves. Who doesn't? Nothing inherently wrong with that...I get what you're saying about slave labor, but I'm not advocating that. One of the reasons Mexicans ARE exploited is agri-business owners know they're easily replaceable due to the flood of people trying to get away from the cartel violence in Mexico. If the cartels were weakened and the violence got better, we would have to (and SHOULD) offer competitive wages and incentives for guest worker visas, or competitive wages to get Americans to fill in the gap. Maybe we should just require all high school students to do these jobs for say, 10 hours a week instead of PE? At least then people would appreciate how hard these jobs are.

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Littlest Shoggoth
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Littlest Shoggoth
If it went all the way around the country, wonder if it would rival the Great Wall of China.... /chinstroke/


Absolutely. emotion_dealwithit

The great wall of China is only about 5,500 miles long, compared to about 7500 for the U.S., and that includes trenches and natural barriers, and not just man made walls. Although, some newer estimates include "branches" (some of it is archaeological), that make it about 13,000 miles long.

All across the U.S., it would be way more than this, at 19,500 miles! blaugh


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It just occurred to me that even if we completely wall ourselves off from Mexico so NO drugs/guns/other contraband get in, Mexico's probably not going to build a wall across its southern border, meaning the cartels will just focus their efforts on Central/South America and then branch out from there.

Also, what about Hawaii and Alaska?

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adorabunnii
Suicidesoldier#1
Littlest Shoggoth
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Littlest Shoggoth
If it went all the way around the country, wonder if it would rival the Great Wall of China.... /chinstroke/


Absolutely. emotion_dealwithit

The great wall of China is only about 5,500 miles long, compared to about 7500 for the U.S., and that includes trenches and natural barriers, and not just man made walls. Although, some newer estimates include "branches" (some of it is archaeological), that make it about 13,000 miles long.

All across the U.S., it would be way more than this, at 19,500 miles! blaugh


Hello new world record. dramallama



emotion_donotwant Do it.


Totally worth it. emotion_dealwithit

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It just occurred to me that even if we completely wall ourselves off from Mexico so NO drugs/guns/other contraband get in, Mexico's probably not going to build a wall across its southern border, meaning the cartels will just focus their efforts on Central/South America and then branch out from there.

Also, what about Hawaii and Alaska?

Hawaii is an Island, and the Canadian border is more or less covered.

The Cartels will smuggle stuff in to Mexico, but they won't be able to make enough money, which will severely stunt them. It will hopefully allow the Mexican military and the like to be able to pursue the cartels in their weakened state, allowing them to fight them off. Mexico makes far less money than the U.S., so it would severely cut in to their profits if they could only sell things to the poor people in those general areas.

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adorabunnii
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Littlest Shoggoth
Suicidesoldier#1
Littlest Shoggoth
If it went all the way around the country, wonder if it would rival the Great Wall of China.... /chinstroke/


Absolutely. emotion_dealwithit

The great wall of China is only about 5,500 miles long, compared to about 7500 for the U.S., and that includes trenches and natural barriers, and not just man made walls. Although, some newer estimates include "branches" (some of it is archaeological), that make it about 13,000 miles long.

All across the U.S., it would be way more than this, at 19,500 miles! blaugh


Hello new world record. dramallama



emotion_donotwant Do it.


Totally worth it. emotion_dealwithit

emotion_kirakira




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It just occurred to me that even if we completely wall ourselves off from Mexico so NO drugs/guns/other contraband get in, Mexico's probably not going to build a wall across its southern border, meaning the cartels will just focus their efforts on Central/South America and then branch out from there.

Also, what about Hawaii and Alaska?

Hawaii is an Island, and the Canadian border is more or less covered.

The Cartels will smuggle stuff in to Mexico, but they won't be able to make enough money, which will severely stunt them. It will hopefully allow the Mexican military and the like to be able to pursue the cartels in their weakened state, allowing them to fight them off. Mexico makes far less money than the U.S., so it would severely cut in to their profits if they could only sell things to the poor people in those general areas.


So would ending the war on drugs, although it wouldn't stop guns. What about this two-pronged approach? End War on Drugs (within reason) and build a wall to stop guns?

Also, does the wall have to be concrete? What about a force-field?

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adorabunnii
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adorabunnii
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It just occurred to me that even if we completely wall ourselves off from Mexico so NO drugs/guns/other contraband get in, Mexico's probably not going to build a wall across its southern border, meaning the cartels will just focus their efforts on Central/South America and then branch out from there.

Also, what about Hawaii and Alaska?

Hawaii is an Island, and the Canadian border is more or less covered.

The Cartels will smuggle stuff in to Mexico, but they won't be able to make enough money, which will severely stunt them. It will hopefully allow the Mexican military and the like to be able to pursue the cartels in their weakened state, allowing them to fight them off. Mexico makes far less money than the U.S., so it would severely cut in to their profits if they could only sell things to the poor people in those general areas.


So would ending the war on drugs, although it wouldn't stop guns. What about this two-pronged approach? End War on Drugs (within reason) and build a wall to stop guns?

Also, does the wall have to be concrete? What about a force-field?


A force field would be boss as hell, but unfortunately it would consume large volumes of energy. cry

A plasma window is thought to consume around 20 kilowatts per inch (8 kW/cm), which the average house consumes about 30 kilowatts per day, so for a whole border wall... it doesn't look practical. Not to mention the more practical versions seem fairly lethal (say, a bunch of floating magnetic balls that spin around quickly or what have you), likely to tear you up or electrocute you, so it would be a little bit less effective. A static wall seems like a better idea.

Human trafficking is also an important thing to keep in mind, along with natural resources and other things.


But essentially, I have no problem with the decriminalization of drugs, and particularly putting the focus on rehabilitation rather than imprisonment, unless the person is particularly bad, perhaps caught selling it, trying to sell it etc. Mandatory rehabilitation might be a thing for those who are the most extreme, and I don't think corporations and the like should be selling it in large volumes. There's already enough addictive poison on the market as is. xp

On the subject of things other than concrete, a ditch seems pretty nice, considering that cars and the like would just fall in to it and can't really move over them, and one filled with say, salt water would be cool, since people stuck in the bottom of the ditch would be forced to drown or come on land and surrender, meaning they couldn't just hide in a ditch 24/7. Falling in it would ruin a car engine, stop large vehicles, make a person's clothes and equipment soaking wet, but not outright kill them like a long fall or a spike pit would, and in many ways would be less-lethal AND more effective. Hesco barriers are basically giant metal-wire sandbags that can hold on to dirt and sand, so, you could stack those on each other and have something dozens of feet tall. They're used in military bases all the time!

Firebreathing Comrade

Border wall? What is this? Cold War Germany? I thought the world has moved past that crap -.-.

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Jana Lebedeva
Border wall? What is this? Cold War Germany? I thought the world has moved past that crap -.-.


Well, the problem was that it was illegal to leave the soviet union, and so the border wall was designed to stop, that. A wall designed to help with legal regulation isn't quite the same thing. ninja

Firebreathing Comrade

Suicidesoldier#1
Jana Lebedeva
Border wall? What is this? Cold War Germany? I thought the world has moved past that crap -.-.


Well, the problem was that it was illegal to leave the soviet union, and so the border wall was designed to stop, that. A wall designed to help with legal regulation isn't quite the same thing. ninja


Doesn't matter. You can't claim to be against one while supporting the other. Restricting freedom of movement is fascist, plain and simple.

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Jana Lebedeva
Suicidesoldier#1
Jana Lebedeva
Border wall? What is this? Cold War Germany? I thought the world has moved past that crap -.-.


Well, the problem was that it was illegal to leave the soviet union, and so the border wall was designed to stop, that. A wall designed to help with legal regulation isn't quite the same thing. ninja


Doesn't matter. You can't claim to be against one while supporting the other. Restricting freedom of movement is fascist, plain and simple.


Wut

How is restricting movement fascist? People are put in to prison's all around the world, in fascist and non-fascist societies, there's restricted areas, fences, all kinds of things, all other the place. Try going in to the white house, or several places in a police station, hell private property you don't own.

Not to mention, the objective is completely different, one is to stop drug dealers and organized crime, the other is to stop people from fleeing an oppressive government O.o

Firebreathing Comrade

Suicidesoldier#1


Not to mention, the objective is completely different, one is to stop drug dealers and organized crime, the other is to stop people from fleeing an oppressive government O.o


This one is partially rooted in racism, though. There seems to a lot of assumption from people that Mexicans are just going to America to get involved in gangs and such. In reality most just want a better life.

Also, don't want gang violence? Legalizing drugs is a start. It has worked wonders in places like Portugal.

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Jana Lebedeva
Suicidesoldier#1


Not to mention, the objective is completely different, one is to stop drug dealers and organized crime, the other is to stop people from fleeing an oppressive government O.o


This one is partially rooted in racism, though. There seems to a lot of assumption from people that Mexicans are just going to America to get involved in gangs and such. In reality most just want a better life.

Also, don't want gang violence? Legalizing drugs is a start. It has worked wonders in places like Portugal.


Rooted in racism, by who? Not all immigrants are Mexican, in fact a sizable number are Asian and the like. I think that's a pretty bold assumption.

Drugs only make up about 37% of the profit of these organizations, and Portugal never legalized drugs, they decriminalized possession under a certain amount. It's illegal to sale or have "more than 10 days" worth of any of the drugs. [1] No businesses or corporations are legally allowed to produce it, which means that organized crime is still responsible for most of the smuggling, and their violent crime rates have actually gone up, slightly. The emphasis they've had is on rehabilitation or community service instead of jail time, which has encouraged people to seek help for their drug addictions rather than hide it in fear of prosecution. Drug crime has gone down since the majority of convictions were small time offenders, and now they don't punish it as often, however other forms of crimes have generally remained unaffected.

But it's not "legal", and you can still be punished for possessing drugs under certain conditions, particularly if you don't adhere to the courts ruling.

Firebreathing Comrade

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Why even mention Asians here? Obviously any wall to keep out immigrants isn't intended to keep them out because, you know, last time I checked the US wasn't directly bordering any Asian countries.

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