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Because they decided to turn their focus on to the extreme right and screw everyone else's view of them for whatever reason.


Kind of seems like it doesn't it?
I was actually considering voting Republican this year. I never vote straight party line and instead vote for the best person. At least as near as I can tell who is the right person. But I'm not pleased with some of the things the Democrats have done.

But if Trump is ends up being their official candidate then they made at least one of my choices really easy for me.


Mine too...I'm moving to Canada....

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Frankly, I"m amazed the Republican party would even consider Trump. For some time now they have supposedly been trying to revamp their image of being the party of old rich white guys who don't give a crap about women, minorities or the poor and being in bed with big business.


But the Republican Party IS the party of old rich white guys who don't give a crap about women, minorities or the poor and being in bed with big business.

Let's face it, Trump's doing well because he's the embodiment of the GOP and Tea Party.


The Republican party may or may not BE the party of old rich white guys but they have been trying hard not to be PERCEIVED as the party of old rich white guys.
Evidence of same is their own internal reviews and attempts to change their image as they acknowledged their traditional image was causing them to lose ground.


I haven't seen any real movement of any substance on that front. Half-hearted window dressing, that's about it.

The GOP does not even want to HEAR that they need hispanics to win the next election.


Well, head in the sand won't work forever.
While we still have a fair number of rich white guys more and more of the US population is "other".
(Female, black, hispanic, asian etc etc)
So pissing off those groups starts to be more and more relevant than it was the election four years ago and the one four years before that and so on. It was probably a lot easier to blow off people "not like us" back when the women were not allowed to vote or have high level jobs and black people were slaves and the Chinese were busing building railroads for coolee wages and the Japanese were eyed with suspicion after WW2 and anybody who remotely sounded like they were from "Russia" was considered to be a commie and so on.

If they don't manage to appeal to a broader base then I think their relevance will begin to diminish. Possibly the Republicans' best thing they have going for them right now is that Democrats have also done some pretty good screw ups so people typically have to choose the lesser of two evils when it is time to vote.

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David2074
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Because they decided to turn their focus on to the extreme right and screw everyone else's view of them for whatever reason.


Kind of seems like it doesn't it?
I was actually considering voting Republican this year. I never vote straight party line and instead vote for the best person. At least as near as I can tell who is the right person. But I'm not pleased with some of the things the Democrats have done.

But if Trump is ends up being their official candidate then they made at least one of my choices really easy for me.


Mine too...I'm moving to Canada....


I'll likely stay here but if I decide to become an expatriate I might go to some place like the Philippines where my dollar will go farther. Cost of living in Canada is roughly 6% more than in the US (I"m sure it varies by location).

Cost of living indexes in the PI are much lower:
Consumer Price Index (Excl.Rent): 34.30
Rent Index: 5.92
Groceries Index: 34.80
Restaurants Index: 19.08
Consumer Price Plus Rent Index: 20.16

So for example rent is only 6% of what it costs in NY City. An apartment that costs $1,000 / mo in NY would cost about $60 / month in the PI. Goods in general are about 34 cents on the dollar. Local wage buying power isn't that great but I'd be living off the money I already have, not depending on a local job.
Things where I live now are also cheaper than NYC but not that much cheaper.
Where I live it is -
Consumer Price Index (Excl.Rent): 80.05
Rent Index: 27.00
Groceries Index: 86.07
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Frankly, I"m amazed the Republican party would even consider Trump. For some time now they have supposedly been trying to revamp their image of being the party of old rich white guys who don't give a crap about women, minorities or the poor and being in bed with big business.


But the Republican Party IS the party of old rich white guys who don't give a crap about women, minorities or the poor and being in bed with big business.

Let's face it, Trump's doing well because he's the embodiment of the GOP and Tea Party.


The Republican party may or may not BE the party of old rich white guys but they have been trying hard not to be PERCEIVED as the party of old rich white guys.
Evidence of same is their own internal reviews and attempts to change their image as they acknowledged their traditional image was causing them to lose ground.


I haven't seen any real movement of any substance on that front. Half-hearted window dressing, that's about it.

The GOP does not even want to HEAR that they need hispanics to win the next election.


Well, head in the sand won't work forever.
While we still have a fair number of rich white guys more and more of the US population is "other".
(Female, black, hispanic, asian etc etc)
So pissing off those groups starts to be more and more relevant than it was the election four years ago and the one four years before that and so on. It was probably a lot easier to blow off people "not like us" back when the women were not allowed to vote or have high level jobs and black people were slaves and the Chinese were busing building railroads for coolee wages and the Japanese were eyed with suspicion after WW2 and anybody who remotely sounded like they were from "Russia" was considered to be a commie and so on.

If they don't manage to appeal to a broader base then I think their relevance will begin to diminish. Possibly the Republicans' best thing they have going for them right now is that Democrats have also done some pretty good screw ups so people typically have to choose the lesser of two evils when it is time to vote.


Come on. This is just wishful thinking that ignores basic math.

Hispanics = about 17 percent of the electorate. But since many don't even bother voting even this number is inflated somewhat. Even when you can get Hispanics to turn out in large numbers, they will naturally vote Democrat. Many Latin countries are far left politically. Mexico has the distinction of being a country with two major political parties that are members of the Socialist International. Expecting people from such left-wing countries to easily vote Republican is foolish.

Blacks = 14 percent. But there's almost zero chance Republicans could win a majority or better of black voters. Republicans would spend their time better digging sandpits than trying to win a huge percentage of the black vote.

Asian - about 6 percent. Maybe more promising here, especially given the mistreatment of Asian shopkeepers by black criminals like Michael Brown, and the overwhelming Democratic support for such black criminals at the expense of Asians. But even if Republicans won the Asian vote overwhelmingly that, alone, wouldn't win nationally,

American Indian / pacific islander - Less than 2 percent. Not worth investing too much energy into outside of Hawaii. And I doubt Hawaii will vote Republican any time soon no matter what the GOP does.

So, those together make up about 40 percent of the electorate, and not one piece of that 40 percent is naturally inclined to vote GOP. Convincing large numbers to do so would take astronomical amounts of money and good luck and time. Decades, likely. There's no way to turn it around by 2016, or even the next half-dozen elections.

Meanwhile, there's another piece of the pie out there, about 63 percent of it, which is naturally inclined to vote GOP. Or, at least, more inclined than all the others. It would take a lot less convincing to shift more of the 63 percent to the GOP than to shift those other pieces. The cost-effective method would be to focus on increasing the share of the biggest slice, 63 percent.

Does anybody want to do that anymore? Noooo.... I can only conclude a deep insanity has a stranglehold on the elites in this country.

Especially for the GOP, which is signing its own death warrant by importing so many of these natural Democrats from Latin America, Asia, and so forth. I can see why Democrats would want to import a bunch of guaranteed new Democratic voters. But Republicans? They're killing the future of their own party. Continuing to encourage this will send the GOP wherever the Whig Party went. But still, for some reason, Republican leaders are supporting their own destruction.

Because these demographic changes are the result of deliberate government policies, not some natural change that nobody can stop.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

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Honestly, I hope he does run as a third party candidate.I believe the republicans have no intent of making him their candidate, and if he’s a third party candidate then he will divide the party making it easy for the Democrats to win with someone good like Bernie Sanders.

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I don't want Trump banned from debates, but that's mostly because I find him horrendously entertaining (most of the time). But he shouldn't be president and running as an independent would split the right wing vote. I don't like the myself, and I don't understand why Trump would want it. I hope that he's considering running as an independent only as a publicity stunt. And, to be honest, I hope his bid for Republican presidential candidate is a stunt too.


It's either publicity, or he's campaigning to support the Democratic Candidate ( which he was a member of prior to his bid for the 2012 GOP nomination ).

Given that he's not really advertising anything at the moment ( last time, his show was still on the air ), I tend to think he's campaigning for the Democrats.
It seems that way. Plus he's flip-flopped on the (few) issues he spoke about. He used to be pro-choice and now he's suddenly pro-life.


He used to support Democratic presidents, until he suddenly decided to go for the Republican nod for 2012.

It's that sudden switch that's made me think this whole thing is just a False Flag operation gone way too far, like if Stephen Colbert had come up with his Colbert Report character, but instead of it taking off with Democrats that recognised it as the satire it was, he suddenly found himself with every Republican in the country unquestioningly supporting every stupid thing he said.

That being said . . . What would happen, d'ya suppose, if the man that got elected to the Big Chair didn't want the office? Like, say he withdraws his candidacy the day before the election, or some such, and winds up winning anyhow. Can we legally compel a man to take the Oath of Office if he genuinely doesn't want the job? And wouldn't that be a hilarious turn of events if it turns out that we can?


I would really enjoy a show about that, but it's a terrifying prospect in real life. I don't think Trump could legally be forced to take the oath, because he would then be agreeing to something under duress, and I'm pretty sure that makes in invalid, and if it is invalid then he wouldn't really have been sworn into office. And then we'd have a situation where the United States of America has no president and no vice president. I have no idea how this could be solved in the long run (in the short term whoever is next it line would take the place) other than redoing the entire election, which takes years. And G-d only knows what could happen during that time.


First President was not elected. He was drafted - and he did not want the job. There is no set precedent other than that.


Hm. Interesting, but things do change. Women didn't vote in the first election, but they do now because laws were re-interpreted. Also, as far as I'm aware, Washington didn't refuse to do the job and start a court case over it (though, query as to whether or not that would have been possible at the time).

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Frankly, I"m amazed the Republican party would even consider Trump. For some time now they have supposedly been trying to revamp their image of being the party of old rich white guys who don't give a crap about women, minorities or the poor and being in bed with big business.


But the Republican Party IS the party of old rich white guys who don't give a crap about women, minorities or the poor and being in bed with big business.

Let's face it, Trump's doing well because he's the embodiment of the GOP and Tea Party.


The Republican party may or may not BE the party of old rich white guys but they have been trying hard not to be PERCEIVED as the party of old rich white guys.
Evidence of same is their own internal reviews and attempts to change their image as they acknowledged their traditional image was causing them to lose ground.


I haven't seen any real movement of any substance on that front. Half-hearted window dressing, that's about it.

The GOP does not even want to HEAR that they need hispanics to win the next election.


Well, head in the sand won't work forever.
While we still have a fair number of rich white guys more and more of the US population is "other".
(Female, black, hispanic, asian etc etc)
So pissing off those groups starts to be more and more relevant than it was the election four years ago and the one four years before that and so on. It was probably a lot easier to blow off people "not like us" back when the women were not allowed to vote or have high level jobs and black people were slaves and the Chinese were busing building railroads for coolee wages and the Japanese were eyed with suspicion after WW2 and anybody who remotely sounded like they were from "Russia" was considered to be a commie and so on.

If they don't manage to appeal to a broader base then I think their relevance will begin to diminish. Possibly the Republicans' best thing they have going for them right now is that Democrats have also done some pretty good screw ups so people typically have to choose the lesser of two evils when it is time to vote.


Come on. This is just wishful thinking that ignores basic math.

Hispanics = about 17 percent of the electorate. But since many don't even bother voting even this number is inflated somewhat. Even when you can get Hispanics to turn out in large numbers, they will naturally vote Democrat. Many Latin countries are far left politically. Mexico has the distinction of being a country with two major political parties that are members of the Socialist International. Expecting people from such left-wing countries to easily vote Republican is foolish.

Blacks = 14 percent. But there's almost zero chance Republicans could win a majority or better of black voters. Republicans would spend their time better digging sandpits than trying to win a huge percentage of the black vote.

Asian - about 6 percent. Maybe more promising here, especially given the mistreatment of Asian shopkeepers by black criminals like Michael Brown, and the overwhelming Democratic support for such black criminals at the expense of Asians. But even if Republicans won the Asian vote overwhelmingly that, alone, wouldn't win nationally,

American Indian / pacific islander - Less than 2 percent. Not worth investing too much energy into outside of Hawaii. And I doubt Hawaii will vote Republican any time soon no matter what the GOP does.

So, those together make up about 40 percent of the electorate, and not one piece of that 40 percent is naturally inclined to vote GOP. Convincing large numbers to do so would take astronomical amounts of money and good luck and time. Decades, likely. There's no way to turn it around by 2016, or even the next half-dozen elections.

Meanwhile, there's another piece of the pie out there, about 63 percent of it, which is naturally inclined to vote GOP. Or, at least, more inclined than all the others. It would take a lot less convincing to shift more of the 63 percent to the GOP than to shift those other pieces. The cost-effective method would be to focus on increasing the share of the biggest slice, 63 percent.

Does anybody want to do that anymore? Noooo.... I can only conclude a deep insanity has a stranglehold on the elites in this country.

Especially for the GOP, which is signing its own death warrant by importing so many of these natural Democrats from Latin America, Asia, and so forth. I can see why Democrats would want to import a bunch of guaranteed new Democratic voters. But Republicans? They're killing the future of their own party. Continuing to encourage this will send the GOP wherever the Whig Party went. But still, for some reason, Republican leaders are supporting their own destruction.

Because these demographic changes are the result of deliberate government policies, not some natural change that nobody can stop.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html


Kaltros, IMO you are just reinforcing what I was saying to azulmagia.
I'm not going to go verify every number of your stats but they sound about right.
According to 2013 census data -
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013 62.6% (so, something other than white = 37.8% in 2013)
So, according to you about 40 percent of the electorate is unlikely to vote Republican - even before the campaign speaking starts.
Except you are forgetting the part where white or not, over half of the US population is female.
Female persons, percent, 2013 50.8%

So when you say things to alienate women AND all of the "not white" people you start losing your majority vote real quick.

But don't take my word for it.
It's the Republican party itself that has been saying it has image problems and has been losing voter share. So again - difficult to see how Trump helps that situation.
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The Republican party may or may not BE the party of old rich white guys but they have been trying hard not to be PERCEIVED as the party of old rich white guys.
Evidence of same is their own internal reviews and attempts to change their image as they acknowledged their traditional image was causing them to lose ground.


I haven't seen any real movement of any substance on that front. Half-hearted window dressing, that's about it.

The GOP does not even want to HEAR that they need hispanics to win the next election.


Well, head in the sand won't work forever.
While we still have a fair number of rich white guys more and more of the US population is "other".
(Female, black, hispanic, asian etc etc)
So pissing off those groups starts to be more and more relevant than it was the election four years ago and the one four years before that and so on. It was probably a lot easier to blow off people "not like us" back when the women were not allowed to vote or have high level jobs and black people were slaves and the Chinese were busing building railroads for coolee wages and the Japanese were eyed with suspicion after WW2 and anybody who remotely sounded like they were from "Russia" was considered to be a commie and so on.

If they don't manage to appeal to a broader base then I think their relevance will begin to diminish. Possibly the Republicans' best thing they have going for them right now is that Democrats have also done some pretty good screw ups so people typically have to choose the lesser of two evils when it is time to vote.


Come on. This is just wishful thinking that ignores basic math.

Hispanics = about 17 percent of the electorate. But since many don't even bother voting even this number is inflated somewhat. Even when you can get Hispanics to turn out in large numbers, they will naturally vote Democrat. Many Latin countries are far left politically. Mexico has the distinction of being a country with two major political parties that are members of the Socialist International. Expecting people from such left-wing countries to easily vote Republican is foolish.

Blacks = 14 percent. But there's almost zero chance Republicans could win a majority or better of black voters. Republicans would spend their time better digging sandpits than trying to win a huge percentage of the black vote.

Asian - about 6 percent. Maybe more promising here, especially given the mistreatment of Asian shopkeepers by black criminals like Michael Brown, and the overwhelming Democratic support for such black criminals at the expense of Asians. But even if Republicans won the Asian vote overwhelmingly that, alone, wouldn't win nationally,

American Indian / pacific islander - Less than 2 percent. Not worth investing too much energy into outside of Hawaii. And I doubt Hawaii will vote Republican any time soon no matter what the GOP does.

So, those together make up about 40 percent of the electorate, and not one piece of that 40 percent is naturally inclined to vote GOP. Convincing large numbers to do so would take astronomical amounts of money and good luck and time. Decades, likely. There's no way to turn it around by 2016, or even the next half-dozen elections.

Meanwhile, there's another piece of the pie out there, about 63 percent of it, which is naturally inclined to vote GOP. Or, at least, more inclined than all the others. It would take a lot less convincing to shift more of the 63 percent to the GOP than to shift those other pieces. The cost-effective method would be to focus on increasing the share of the biggest slice, 63 percent.

Does anybody want to do that anymore? Noooo.... I can only conclude a deep insanity has a stranglehold on the elites in this country.

Especially for the GOP, which is signing its own death warrant by importing so many of these natural Democrats from Latin America, Asia, and so forth. I can see why Democrats would want to import a bunch of guaranteed new Democratic voters. But Republicans? They're killing the future of their own party. Continuing to encourage this will send the GOP wherever the Whig Party went. But still, for some reason, Republican leaders are supporting their own destruction.

Because these demographic changes are the result of deliberate government policies, not some natural change that nobody can stop.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html


Kaltros, IMO you are just reinforcing what I was saying to azulmagia.
I'm not going to go verify every number of your stats but they sound about right.
According to 2013 census data -
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013 62.6% (so, something other than white = 37.8% in 2013)
So, according to you about 40 percent of the electorate is unlikely to vote Republican - even before the campaign speaking starts.
Except you are forgetting the part where white or not, over half of the US population is female.
Female persons, percent, 2013 50.8%


You know, as far as the female vote is concerned my hunch is that Trump will do better with them than people think.

Quote:

So when you say things to alienate women AND all of the "not white" people you start losing your majority vote real quick.


Bill Clinton's sexual history didn't stop women voting for him.

Quote:

But don't take my word for it.
It's the Republican party itself that has been saying it has image problems and has been losing voter share. So again - difficult to see how Trump helps that situation.


And it's the Republican party itself that has lost the last couple elections while trying to run the most 'electable' candidate.

There seems to be this odd belief that the only way Republicans can gain more votes is to become Democrat Lite. But when the choice is between Full Strength Democrat and Dem Lite, why pick the Lite version at all?
I don't think that he'd do well as an independent. I could be wrong, but in the past who really does do well as an independent?

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I don't think that he'd do well as an independent. I could be wrong, but in the past who really does do well as an independent?


We had not had one that made the news like Trump is doing or any other strong type. That and Independent candidates consistently get shoved out anyway. I still say we should have voted for Ralph Nader at some point regardless. Somewhere between JFK and the peanut farmer, Carter (who by the way, has cancer. He's 90 ears old! )

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I haven't seen any real movement of any substance on that front. Half-hearted window dressing, that's about it.

The GOP does not even want to HEAR that they need hispanics to win the next election.


Well, head in the sand won't work forever.
While we still have a fair number of rich white guys more and more of the US population is "other".
(Female, black, hispanic, asian etc etc)
So pissing off those groups starts to be more and more relevant than it was the election four years ago and the one four years before that and so on. It was probably a lot easier to blow off people "not like us" back when the women were not allowed to vote or have high level jobs and black people were slaves and the Chinese were busing building railroads for coolee wages and the Japanese were eyed with suspicion after WW2 and anybody who remotely sounded like they were from "Russia" was considered to be a commie and so on.

If they don't manage to appeal to a broader base then I think their relevance will begin to diminish. Possibly the Republicans' best thing they have going for them right now is that Democrats have also done some pretty good screw ups so people typically have to choose the lesser of two evils when it is time to vote.


Come on. This is just wishful thinking that ignores basic math.

Hispanics = about 17 percent of the electorate. But since many don't even bother voting even this number is inflated somewhat. Even when you can get Hispanics to turn out in large numbers, they will naturally vote Democrat. Many Latin countries are far left politically. Mexico has the distinction of being a country with two major political parties that are members of the Socialist International. Expecting people from such left-wing countries to easily vote Republican is foolish.

Blacks = 14 percent. But there's almost zero chance Republicans could win a majority or better of black voters. Republicans would spend their time better digging sandpits than trying to win a huge percentage of the black vote.

Asian - about 6 percent. Maybe more promising here, especially given the mistreatment of Asian shopkeepers by black criminals like Michael Brown, and the overwhelming Democratic support for such black criminals at the expense of Asians. But even if Republicans won the Asian vote overwhelmingly that, alone, wouldn't win nationally,

American Indian / pacific islander - Less than 2 percent. Not worth investing too much energy into outside of Hawaii. And I doubt Hawaii will vote Republican any time soon no matter what the GOP does.

So, those together make up about 40 percent of the electorate, and not one piece of that 40 percent is naturally inclined to vote GOP. Convincing large numbers to do so would take astronomical amounts of money and good luck and time. Decades, likely. There's no way to turn it around by 2016, or even the next half-dozen elections.

Meanwhile, there's another piece of the pie out there, about 63 percent of it, which is naturally inclined to vote GOP. Or, at least, more inclined than all the others. It would take a lot less convincing to shift more of the 63 percent to the GOP than to shift those other pieces. The cost-effective method would be to focus on increasing the share of the biggest slice, 63 percent.

Does anybody want to do that anymore? Noooo.... I can only conclude a deep insanity has a stranglehold on the elites in this country.

Especially for the GOP, which is signing its own death warrant by importing so many of these natural Democrats from Latin America, Asia, and so forth. I can see why Democrats would want to import a bunch of guaranteed new Democratic voters. But Republicans? They're killing the future of their own party. Continuing to encourage this will send the GOP wherever the Whig Party went. But still, for some reason, Republican leaders are supporting their own destruction.

Because these demographic changes are the result of deliberate government policies, not some natural change that nobody can stop.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html


Kaltros, IMO you are just reinforcing what I was saying to azulmagia.
I'm not going to go verify every number of your stats but they sound about right.
According to 2013 census data -
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013 62.6% (so, something other than white = 37.8% in 2013)
So, according to you about 40 percent of the electorate is unlikely to vote Republican - even before the campaign speaking starts.
Except you are forgetting the part where white or not, over half of the US population is female.
Female persons, percent, 2013 50.8%


You know, as far as the female vote is concerned my hunch is that Trump will do better with them than people think.

Quote:

So when you say things to alienate women AND all of the "not white" people you start losing your majority vote real quick.


Bill Clinton's sexual history didn't stop women voting for him.

Quote:

But don't take my word for it.
It's the Republican party itself that has been saying it has image problems and has been losing voter share. So again - difficult to see how Trump helps that situation.


And it's the Republican party itself that has lost the last couple elections while trying to run the most 'electable' candidate.

There seems to be this odd belief that the only way Republicans can gain more votes is to become Democrat Lite. But when the choice is between Full Strength Democrat and Dem Lite, why pick the Lite version at all?


Gee, it's like you keep arguing my point on things.
Yes, the Republicans have been trying to improve their image and appeal to a broader base of people and they still failed the last two elections.

Sooo..... logic says that backing a horse that goes out of his way to alienate large swaths of the population is likely to increase their chances of failing this coming election.

Bill Clinton's sexual escapades got him impeached. Had it all happened before the election it may have well prevented him from getting elected.
But while Bill liked to put his d**k in things he was at least a likable character. Pretty much everyone thinks Trump is an asshat.
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Frankly, I"m amazed the Republican party would even consider Trump. For some time now they have supposedly been trying to revamp their image of being the party of old rich white guys who don't give a crap about women, minorities or the poor and being in bed with big business.


But the Republican Party IS the party of old rich white guys who don't give a crap about women, minorities or the poor and being in bed with big business.

Let's face it, Trump's doing well because he's the embodiment of the GOP and Tea Party.


The Republican party may or may not BE the party of old rich white guys but they have been trying hard not to be PERCEIVED as the party of old rich white guys.
Evidence of same is their own internal reviews and attempts to change their image as they acknowledged their traditional image was causing them to lose ground.


I haven't seen any real movement of any substance on that front. Half-hearted window dressing, that's about it.

The GOP does not even want to HEAR that they need hispanics to win the next election.


Well, head in the sand won't work forever.
While we still have a fair number of rich white guys more and more of the US population is "other".
(Female, black, hispanic, asian etc etc)
So pissing off those groups starts to be more and more relevant than it was the election four years ago and the one four years before that and so on. It was probably a lot easier to blow off people "not like us" back when the women were not allowed to vote or have high level jobs and black people were slaves and the Chinese were busing building railroads for coolee wages and the Japanese were eyed with suspicion after WW2 and anybody who remotely sounded like they were from "Russia" was considered to be a commie and so on.

If they don't manage to appeal to a broader base then I think their relevance will begin to diminish. Possibly the Republicans' best thing they have going for them right now is that Democrats have also done some pretty good screw ups so people typically have to choose the lesser of two evils when it is time to vote.


There are two real options as far as I can tell:

(1) Copy the Conservative Party of Canada (..which would take a little explaining for backstory purposes)

(2) Forget about electoral democracy altogther and foment an insurrection when Hillary or Bernie wins

....And as a Canadian, I can tell you that so far (1) looks like (2) only in extreme slow-motion.
Personally, I think it is pretty crappy that FOX anchors and now Republicans are picking on Trump. Their FELLOW candidate. I think it's because people are scared of him and know he will be a tough candidate to fight since he speaks his mind. I like that in Trump. I like him making the other candidates have to think about real issues in this country. He may not be right as a president. But he sure makes for a nice Sorting Hat, if you know what I mean. wink

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There are two real options as far as I can tell:

(1) Copy the Conservative Party of Canada (..which would take a little explaining for backstory purposes)

(2) Forget about electoral democracy altogther and foment an insurrection when Hillary or Bernie wins

....And as a Canadian, I can tell you that so far (1) looks like (2) only in extreme slow-motion.


Personally I'd like to see us (US) get rid of the electoral college and go with a true popular vote.
Still wouldn't stop people from being stupid with their votes but there have been some occasions when it might have helped.

But it is a shame that currently every president will be from one of the two main parties.
In theory it could be anyone but in reality a vote for independents is usually a wasted vote.

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