This is deplorable. Most people don't ask for legal age verification when they engage in a casual sex hookup, and even verification can be fake. The girl lied about her age, and while he may have been setting himself up for such a situation by risking a hookup with a random stranger, I can't agree that he is at fault, and I feel that the sentence is far beyond extreme and unfair. I don't understand why he was given such a ridiculous sentence when actual child rapists get more lenience. I hope this is appealed, because it sets a very dangerous precedent.
Then again, another case of the legal system giving a big middle finger to the issue of sexual assault; rapists get a slap on the wrist, while the innocent and entrapped get thrown under the bus. I also think sexism played a role here: If the genders were reversed, with a 19 year old girl and a 14 year old boy lying about his age, the girl would likely have gotten off scott free and the boy would have likely been charged.
To me, it was starting to look more like he planned out having sex with a minor (though not as young) with more effort and time than it at first seemed.
If I were a judge, I wouldn't care about the genders and slap community service on both of them. He's an idiot and she's a b***h and neither ever learned a damn thing about consequences or responsibility. But they're both of an age where they make dumb decisions, most of the time with their genitals.
I wouldn't give them sex offender status unless it's temporary. Being punished for being a a dipshit as a teen all your life isn't fair to anyone.
Well, the age of consent in Michigan is 16, and the girl claimed to be 17, which would not only make her supposedly legal, but only two years younger than him. As he was thinking with his p***s and not his brain, he likely didn't think anything beyond "she's legal, she's hot, and she wants to do it". I was a huge slut in my early adulthood, and I had enough casual stranger sex to know that you generally aren't thinking beyond that. It's not smart, and is extremely risky.
That being said, I have to agree with you that neither of them were thinking very intelligently, but I suppose that's to be expected of two teenagers. And agreed on probation and community service, as from what I understand they were having sex in public, which would be Lewd Conduct iirc.
Personally, I suspect the judge was of the sexist mentality that the male is the one responsible, is bad and a predator, while the girl is not responsible, is weak and was taken advantage of. I can't think of any other reasoning behind giving such an outrageous sentence while the girl gets off scott free.
That's iffey she needs some kind of punishment herself 21 or over should be allowed on those dating sites. It's a bunch of horny& sick a$$ men on their trying hard as hell. Doing a whole lot of CRAZY Mr. Anderson will suffer a long time he can only watch tv and/ or read a book, No internet what so ever.What the heck was the judge thinking by taking away his phone,making his parents buy another house? subscribe to playboy those dating sites are No NO! for anybody.Never did say what's her deal in all this mess! Miss 14 isn't innocent either in all of this.
This is deplorable. Most people don't ask for legal age verification when they engage in a casual sex hookup, and even verification can be fake. The girl lied about her age, and while he may have been setting himself up for such a situation by risking a hookup with a random stranger, I can't agree that he is at fault, and I feel that the sentence is far beyond extreme and unfair. I don't understand why he was given such a ridiculous sentence when actual child rapists get more lenience. I hope this is appealed, because it sets a very dangerous precedent.
Then again, another case of the legal system giving a big middle finger to the issue of sexual assault; rapists get a slap on the wrist, while the innocent and entrapped get thrown under the bus. I also think sexism played a role here: If the genders were reversed, with a 19 year old girl and a 14 year old boy lying about his age, the girl would likely have gotten off scott free and the boy would have likely been charged.
The whole actual child rapists getting more leniance is actually valid. I've personally witnessed this. It's deplorable. Unless new info surfaces of this guy actually looking or knowing she was underage he isn't responsible for her lying even if he made poor choices. They should be focusing more on those backlogged rape kits as far as I am concerned.
Also, I don't understand why she wasn't tried for raping him. Now before people chew me out hear me. In some states it's considered rape if you misrepresent yourself. Say someone pose as someone's partner. Lying about age or at least lying about being a legal age if you are under age is equally heinous in my book. You robbed the person of consent. Yes, you robbed the person of making an informed decision.
Of course it's been a long time since I've read about that. So if I put out false information about misrepresentation being considered rape then I do apologize, but with the information I think I know this is how I feel.
I don't understand why he was given such a ridiculous sentence when actual child rapists get more lenience
This s**t right here. People out there with actual malicious intentions to rape or just have sex with minors and children don't even get punishments this harsh. The fact that this guy is getting lumped in the same category as such predators is screwy.
I think she should get the sex offender status for lying about her age and entrapping the boy on purpose (who by the way, looks 14 himself).
The judge is putting WAY too much emphasis on casual sex for teens being bad because Pleasantville or such nonsense.
Thats not really fair to the girl either.
We all did stupid s**t at fourteen.
Would you like to have your entire life ruined because of one dumb thing you did as as a fourteen year old?
The two kids are both in the wrong. Though, I find it really weird that the boy didn't seem to ever realize he was doing it with a preteen. Because seriously, it's increably easy to find out if someone is lying about their age, just by looking and talking to them for a few minutes.
I'm just saying, I don't think he's as innocent as you're all making him out to be. /unpopular opinion.
Either way, they both don't deserve to have their lives ruined.
I think she should get the sex offender status for lying about her age and entrapping the boy on purpose (who by the way, looks 14 himself).
The judge is putting WAY too much emphasis on casual sex for teens being bad because Pleasantville or such nonsense.
Thats not really fair to the girl either.
We all did stupid s**t at fourteen.
Would you like to have your entire life ruined because of one dumb thing you did as as a fourteen year old?
The two kids are both in the wrong. Though, I find it really weird that the boy didn't seem to ever realize he was doing it with a preteen. Because seriously, it's increably easy to find out if someone is lying about their age, just by looking and talking to them for a few minutes.
Either way, they don't deserve to have their lives ruined.
Yeah, I've changed my mind on this latter, after getting more info. I also realized the label was permanent and not temporary, as it at first seemed and that's bullshit for anyone other than serious predators.
Sure I'd punish her more as she showed a more of a malicious (though stupid) intent for sex with entrapment, but not a permanent label.
I think she should get the sex offender status for lying about her age and entrapping the boy on purpose (who by the way, looks 14 himself).
The judge is putting WAY too much emphasis on casual sex for teens being bad because Pleasantville or such nonsense.
Thats not really fair to the girl either.
We all did stupid s**t at fourteen.
Would you like to have your entire life ruined because of one dumb thing you did as as a fourteen year old?
The two kids are both in the wrong. Though, I find it really weird that the boy didn't seem to ever realize he was doing it with a preteen. Because seriously, it's increably easy to find out if someone is lying about their age, just by looking and talking to them for a few minutes.
I'm just saying, I don't think he's as innocent as you're all making him out to be. /unpopular opinion.
Either way, they both don't deserve to have their lives ruined.
I don't know, it doesn't seem as easy as you make it seem to tell if someone is lying about their age. As someone who has done it themself, and as someone who as been lied to many times about other peoples' age online, it's not always obvious that someone is actually 13 even though they said they were 16 or that someone is really 15 even though they said they were 18. People in that age range do typically share similar interests and manerisims and behaviours since 14-18 years in usually the age group in high school. Some people are more mature at a certian age while others aren't.
I read the article and it left me with some questions. Did they date a while or was this just a rendezvous for sex? If it was the latter then the punishment is fine. He's 19, you know anything under 18 is off limits at that age.
We don't need minors on dating apps or sites. She lied but still never said she was legal.
Actually that is not entirely true.
It varies by state but if I am reading it correctly for Indiana then I think if she really was 17 and he was 19 it would have been legal.
Also Indiana is one of the states for which an honest belief the person really was an older age is a valid defense.
See Here and Here.
Defenses
Indiana law provides important defense to statutory rape.
Mistake as to the child’s age
In many states, a defendant's mistaken belief as to a child's age is not a defense to a statutory rape. However, in Indiana, it is a defense any sex crime that:
the defendant mistakenly believed the child to be of a particular age
the defendant’s belief was reasonable (supported by the circumstances), and
if the child were that age, the conduct at issue would not be criminal.
For example, if the child said that he or she was 17 years old, and other people told the defendant that the child was 17 years old, and the child was friendly with other 17 and 18-year-old children, then a defendant might be able to avoid a conviction for sexual misconduct.
This defense does not apply in cases of sexual misconduct by force or violence, because that conduct is criminal no matter what the victim's age.
(Ind. Code Ann. §§ 35-41-3-7, 35-42-4-9; Lechner v. State, 715 N.E.2d 1285 (Ind. Ct. App. 1999).)
Marriage
In Indiana, it is a defense to a charge of sexual misconduct (except by force or violence) that the child and the defendant are or were married. (Ind. Code Ann. § 35-42-4-9.) This defense is a remnant of the marital rape defense.
For more information on the marital rape exemption, see Indiana Marital Rape Laws.
“Romeo and Juliet” defense
Named after Shakespeare’s famous young lovers, “Romeo and Juliet” defenses protect young people from criminal charges for engaging in consensual sex with others close to their own age. In Indiana, it is a defense to a charge of sexual misconduct (except by force or violence) that:
the defendant is under the age of 21 and not more than four years older than the victim, and
the defendant and the victim were in an ongoing personal relationship.
(Ind. Code Ann. § 35-42-4-9.)
For example, an 18-year-old who is romantically involved with a 15-year-old could assert this defense and hope to avoid criminal charges or conviction.
I'm way too old to be dating teenagers but if I wasn't, with today's hyper vigilant, sometimes over reaching laws on sexual abuse I think I would at least require photo ID before I touched anyone who could even remotely be considered a minor.
I side with Zach on this one.
It is apparently proven fact the girl lied about her age. It is also stated that she admits the sex was consensual.
On top of that the punishment reads like a "one size fits all" cookie cutter sentence with the stuff about no cell phones, no computer access and so on. It is possible to purchase a cell phone with no camera but these days not a very good one. It is possible to annoy your friends and the local librarian to look up anything on the internet for you but realistically that is a huge hindrance. I use my computer all the time to look up locations and phone numbers and order things I need/want and research information on various topics and so on. Although I do have a p***s, contrary to what courts might think only a very small percentage of my computer time is spent looking at internet porn.
I feel like at the very least the girl should get some jail time for fraud or whatever it would be called. It sounds like none of this would have happened if she had not lied.
I think she should get the sex offender status for lying about her age and entrapping the boy on purpose (who by the way, looks 14 himself).
The judge is putting WAY too much emphasis on casual sex for teens being bad because Pleasantville or such nonsense.
Thats not really fair to the girl either.
We all did stupid s**t at fourteen.
Would you like to have your entire life ruined because of one dumb thing you did as as a fourteen year old?
The two kids are both in the wrong. Though, I find it really weird that the boy didn't seem to ever realize he was doing it with a preteen. Because seriously, it's increably easy to find out if someone is lying about their age, just by looking and talking to them for a few minutes.
I'm just saying, I don't think he's as innocent as you're all making him out to be. /unpopular opinion.
Either way, they both don't deserve to have their lives ruined.
No, it's often NOT "increably easy" to know someone's age just by talking to them.
Some people look and talk much more mature than you would expect if you only knew their age.
I've told this story before so I'll keep it very brief -
My foster sister - age 12 - goes to the mall looking for a job. Gets offered two different jobs. Goes in the following Monday to start work and comes home crying because they sent her away.
The reason? She looked SO much older than her age it never even occurred to the stores that she might be too young to legally work in their stores. They thought she was over 16 and jaw-dropped when they found out she was 12. Six feet tall, hair down to her butt, D cup breasts, good vocabulary, didn't dress "hot topic" - dressed more like a young adult might dress, acted maturely for her age - and so on.
And she wasn't even lying about her age. They were just so sure they never even bothered to ask her and because it would have been her first job she had no clue that she was legally too young to work.
But I agree with you that neither one of them should have their lives ruined over some consensual teenage sex even if he is legally an adult. Most likely greater harm is coming to both of them (especially him) due to the legal proceedings than the actual sexual experience.
But life tip: when talking about your sister, you may wanna hold back when talking so openly about her boob size.
It's kinda weird imo.
Well, it's a text format and for her privacy I wouldn't post a picture of her from then anyway.
Neither me or my sister are hung up about stuff like bra size and she would not have objected to that post. My point in mentioning her chest at all was to describe an overall picture of a female who very much looked like a "woman" and not a "little girl". Not all woman have D cups of course. But most 12 year old girls don't.
And the whole of talking about it at all was in response to how (allegedly) easy it is to tell if anyone is lying about their age.
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