Sandokiri
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- Posted: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:10:55 +0000
Asadachi
Cosmic Injustice
Asadachi
That is precisely what I am saying. If you believe in the the Theory of Evolution then you believe in an inherit class system and any evolution from that system leads to a NEW species, leaving the latter to be concidered primitive.
I didn't read past this point. It's clear you haven't even the most basic understanding of evolution. Evolution and speciation are not the same thing and evolutionary change does not always - nor does it even usually - cause instant speciation.
I didn't say it did. Evolution is believing that one species can evolve into something else, ape to man for example. Both are separate species and the ape is concidered primitive to man. Evolutionary change takes vast amounts of time. If the human race was to evolve to species x, then the human race would be primitive to species x. In order for this to take place. Some desirable mutation would flourish while others would be condemned until the point a human reached species x.
For short, selective breeding to insure the survival of the species. How is that not racist?
First off, humans are a type of ape, just as we are a type of monkey, just as we are a type of mammal, just as we are a type of vertebrate.
Second, we would be the ancestor of the new species that descended from us; "primitive" is a word better avoided, so as not to conflate primitive (more basal) and primitive (inferior in development.)
Third, fitness is situational. Sickle-cell anemia, for example, is an almost complete disadvantage in those who have it; yet it has a particular advantage against malaria. Not coincidentally, regions (such as central Africa, or in India) where malaria is endemic, the sickle-cell trait propagates. Where there's no malaria (such as, say, Siberia,) the trait's natural tendencies are selected against, and so it's correspondingly rare.
This is why eugenics doesn't work on a practical level: no one who advocates it ever considers that what they contra-indicate might have value on a macro scale for survival of (and evolution after) our species.
Nor does it work on a moral level. Darwin, Descent of Man:
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With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.