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This is a completely legitimate question, and I'm curious to read your thoughts on this. Because I bet this question has gone through some of your minds at some small point. And I do want to say, I am a huge supporter of the LGBT community

We all heard that the KorrAsami became cannon, and that it didn't receive as much hate as they thought it would. But I have to ask, do you think the huge outpour of support that came from it would have still happened if it were two guys instead??? Or if they would still have done the gay relationship ending if it were two guys?? Because as much as I hate to say this, and we all know it to be unfortunately true. More people are okay with lesbians than gay men, and we can thank the porn industry for that bit of hypocrisy.

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The ending wasn't that porno-esque, so I'm sure that people will also show support for a guy/guy ship.
Who knows, it might appear in even more magazines and websites than the Korrasami ship did.
It would have been more super revolutionary, because Nick has decided to to go with a guy/guy ship.

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This is a completely legitimate question, and I'm curious to read your thoughts on this. Because Iu bet this question has gone through your mind at some small point. And I do want to say, I am a huge supporter of the LGBT community

We all heard that the KorrAsami became cannon, and that it didn't receive as much hate as they thought it would. But I have to ask, do you think the huge outpour of support that came from it would have still happened if it were two guys instead??? Or if they would still have done the gay relationship ending if it were two guys?? Because as much as I hate to say this, and we all know it to be unfortunately true. More people are okay with lesbians than gay men, and we can thank the porn industry for that bit of hypocrisy.

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This question delves deep into the morays of our society, past and present.

In many cultures it is against the law for two men to be together, yet two women are allowed to be together if it is to please a man. In ancient times, women were not people. We were only devices to make babies and take care of the men however they see fit. In many places a woman was considered property of a man and could be bought or sold as needed.

I definitely think that there is a HUGE hypocrisy of this issue in America. Where countless gay couples are denied basic rights by the same people who go home and get off to girl on girl movies. Does everyone think this way? Absolutely not. Yet the numbers on the industry's success do not lie and definitely show a trend. How many college movies have we seen where it is the guy's dream to see two 'hawt chicks' make out with each other? It has become a perversion of our culture in that a lesbian couple is not seen as two people who love and care for each other, but two sex-objects fulfilling the wants of men.

On the other hand, this could have also gotten so much praise because Korra and Asami are two very strong women who have firmly taken their lives and destinies into their own hands. I think with Korrasami, it is easier for audiences to see this as a beautiful love, as that is a term often used for women. With two men, it still would have been profound. But what would people be able to call it? Handsome love? I think in the media (As far as I've seen) gay men are viewed much much more subdued in their relationship. As in, very little is said or seen about it except for the fact that they are a 'couple'. One of the few, if not only, shows that actually shows this side of a gay relationship is Modern Family. And even though it is a comedy, there are still several deep moments between Mitchell and Cameron as they continue to form their relationship. With women, it is much easier to show 'tender' moments that often aren't attributed to men.

All in all, there are just too many variables to know for sure what would have happened with a guy/guy ship. Someone just has to go out there and do it to find out.
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I'm actually surprised some radical feminists haven't criticized the show for being sexist because it's first same-sex couple was two women and the two creators of the show are hetero guys.

Then again, there's still time...

I'll be honest, if I saw two guys walking away into the light together, that'd be gross. I'd still support it (if it made canonical sense), but I'd still find it gross.

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I am gay, and I feel like saying it is a huge improvement seeing other gay characters in TV shows. However I feel like Korra and Asami relationship was forced, and was never shown real chemistry like past relationships in the series.

Hate to say it, but I feel like the ending was in attempt to get more views and awards in hopes making another series in the avatar world.

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It is interesting, that same-sex female couples are more accepted by media than their male counterparts, even though both face serious flak at times. At the very least, they can sometimes get shoed-in as bisexual women who are somehow both mislabeled as lesbians AND serve as objects of sexual daydreaming for dudes, strangely (in spite of the mislabeling). I've seen that happen in at least a few shows since I first started noticing same-sex couples (but not my own queerness) in the 90's.

This is kind of different that what happens outside the media, a la HRC, where cis-heteronormative gay males tend to be (statistically) the least queer (as in, most privileged) of the queers. They're the most likely queers to be seen living in the swankiest apartments nearest to the gayborhoods, in which the majority of clubs and bars pander mostly (if not almost exclusively) to gay men. At least, that's what I've observed in Dallas.

(But talking about what happens outside media is a bit distracting from the point and is leading to a feeling of ambivalence on my part, and my bitterness is definitely showing, too. So...)

I do agree that the porn industry, and the idea that everything, even an exclusively female relationship, has to revolve around the phallus, probably has something to do with this. The people in power are sort of okay with two chicks together perhaps in part because they think they have a possibility of boning both of them at once. Kind of messed up psychological undertone right there. Hints of denial and sexism in that one. A wee bit objectifying in analysis.

So yeah, seeing a same-sex female pair in the show is nice, but you're also right that other kinds of "other" getting representation would be hella nice as well. Including same-sex male pairings.

Also? The wishy-washy nonsense can go away now. I'd like to see more bold faced commitment to these alternative pairings and stories.

Intersectionality is weird.

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This is a completely legitimate question, and I'm curious to read your thoughts on this. Because Iu bet this question has gone through your mind at some small point. And I do want to say, I am a huge supporter of the LGBT community

We all heard that the KorrAsami became cannon, and that it didn't receive as much hate as they thought it would. But I have to ask, do you think the huge outpour of support that came from it would have still happened if it were two guys instead??? Or if they would still have done the gay relationship ending if it were two guys?? Because as much as I hate to say this, and we all know it to be unfortunately true. More people are okay with lesbians than gay men, and we can thank the porn industry for that bit of hypocrisy.

xxxxxxx Everyone goes to the moon. I want to land amongst the stars~
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This question delves deep into the morays of our society, past and present.

In many cultures it is against the law for two men to be together, yet two women are allowed to be together if it is to please a man. In ancient times, women were not people. We were only devices to make babies and take care of the men however they see fit. In many places a woman was considered property of a man and could be bought or sold as needed.

I definitely think that there is a HUGE hypocrisy of this issue in America. Where countless gay couples are denied basic rights by the same people who go home and get off to girl on girl movies. Does everyone think this way? Absolutely not. Yet the numbers on the industry's success do not lie and definitely show a trend. How many college movies have we seen where it is the guy's dream to see two 'hawt chicks' make out with each other? It has become a perversion of our culture in that a lesbian couple is not seen as two people who love and care for each other, but two sex-objects fulfilling the wants of men.

On the other hand, this could have also gotten so much praise because Korra and Asami are two very strong women who have firmly taken their lives and destinies into their own hands. I think with Korrasami, it is easier for audiences to see this as a beautiful love, as that is a term often used for women. With two men, it still would have been profound. But what would people be able to call it? Handsome love? I think in the media (As far as I've seen) gay men are viewed much much more subdued in their relationship. As in, very little is said or seen about it except for the fact that they are a 'couple'. One of the few, if not only, shows that actually shows this side of a gay relationship is Modern Family. And even though it is a comedy, there are still several deep moments between Mitchell and Cameron as they continue to form their relationship. With women, it is much easier to show 'tender' moments that often aren't attributed to men.

All in all, there are just too many variables to know for sure what would have happened with a guy/guy ship. Someone just has to go out there and do it to find out.
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Wow. You did a better job of capturing this sentiment and thought process than I ever could. How wonderfully well-written. Bravo! surprised heart

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I'm actually surprised some radical feminists haven't criticized the show for being sexist because it's first same-sex couple was two women and the two creators of the show are hetero guys.

Then again, there's still time...

I'll be honest, if I saw two guys walking away into the light together, that'd be gross. I'd still support it (if it made canonical sense), but I'd still find it gross.


Huh. I consider myself a feminist, in a more humanistic manner. I can't jiive with many people who call themselves radfems, however, because I've seen them have a number of rather toxic views, such as transphobia and denial of other intersectional issues such as racism. I'm not okay with so much hate. o____O Entirely contrary to my humanism, no thanks. The only feminism I can be okay with is intersectional feminism, or anti-kyriarchy.

Weird that you find it gross. As someone with a sex/gender identity that's utterly queer and a sexual orientation that's pretty much everything-not-male, I guess I should share your sentiment, but I don't. I don't understand the gross bit at all. Do I want to watch them do it? No. Am I repulsed by their romance? Most definitely not.

Hell, I might even find it cute. I know I have found a number of pairings of various flavors cute in the past. Straight, gay, bi, asexual romantic, bromances, even triads. Doesn't have to match my situation 100% for me to go "b'awww!"

Honestly? Shipping doesn't have to be absolutely canon for ships to sail. I don't think that's how it works. Ask all the Wuko fans.

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Honestly? Shipping doesn't have to be absolutely canon for ships to sail. I don't think that's how it works. Ask all the Wuko fans.
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This is True. Wuko is not canon. But Mako and Wu are both friends, they're both single, and they're both alive. Hell, that's enough for anyone to speculate! rofl
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Honestly? Shipping doesn't have to be absolutely canon for ships to sail. I don't think that's how it works. Ask all the Wuko fans.
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This is True. Wuko is not canon. But Mako and Wu are both friends, they're both single, and they're both alive. Hell, that's enough for anyone to speculate! rofl
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Lol If you want to read something that's grasping at straws, and getting crazy psychological with love interests, you should read the topic I made on how Kuvira is actually in love with Korra lol

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Honestly? Shipping doesn't have to be absolutely canon for ships to sail. I don't think that's how it works. Ask all the Wuko fans.
A WUKO FAN HAS BEEN SUMMONED

This is True. Wuko is not canon. But Mako and Wu are both friends, they're both single, and they're both alive. Hell, that's enough for anyone to speculate! rofl
(Look at all these straws I've been able to grasp! emotion_awesome )


Lol If you want to read something that's grasping at straws, and getting crazy psychological with love interests, you should read the topic I made on how Kuvira is actually in love with Korra lol
haha, is she just trying to get senpai to notice her? emotion_kirakira

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This is a completely legitimate question, and I'm curious to read your thoughts on this. Because Iu bet this question has gone through your mind at some small point. And I do want to say, I am a huge supporter of the LGBT community

We all heard that the KorrAsami became cannon, and that it didn't receive as much hate as they thought it would. But I have to ask, do you think the huge outpour of support that came from it would have still happened if it were two guys instead??? Or if they would still have done the gay relationship ending if it were two guys?? Because as much as I hate to say this, and we all know it to be unfortunately true. More people are okay with lesbians than gay men, and we can thank the porn industry for that bit of hypocrisy.


You make a good point. Gay women push fewer buttons than gay men. Gay men being just the gayest anything can be.

Korasami is a big step in the right direction, but there are many more to go.

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First , no that question has not gone through my mind. Second maybe the problem is that either "people" or the "media" , poloraize a non issue by sexualizing the content ?

I mean i don't remember the ending haveing ANYTHING to do with sex......at all ! All of that came after the episode aired and not from the show. It came from the viewers/or/critics. If they had done anything different we would have a seen a totally different show starting from season two. Would have i liked it less if they had gone in the direction you are suggesting? Yes probably so . But then again that is my preference and nobody should give a dam but me. I persoanlly like the way it ended , and from watching all seasons i can SEE what led up to it. So instead aggravateing my self with "what if" scenarios , i rather enjoy just enjoy what the creators gave us. Let Korra's first step be what it is . Let them have their relationship.And let the future bring whatever to whoever wants it. Not Everyone HAS to like the exact same thing. And some else's personal preferences should not be imposed on anothers.People should learn to be able to be themselves without , trying to change another person's beliefs,choices,orientation or whatever. Either intentionally or Unintentioanlly...
Also, if people complain that a show like LOK might be a bad influence on them.... Then first they have to get their priorities straight. There is A LOT of media out there on every level that promotes , violence, inequality,bigotry, and ignonarce that should be delt with first. SECOND, if any show has that much influence on you then either a) you have a really weak mind and you should not be watching ANY television. Or b) You should take an introspective look at yourself , and make a mature decision to whatever YOU descide. And make your mind stronger so never doubt yourself again.
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I am gay, and I feel like saying it is a huge improvement seeing other gay characters in TV shows. However I feel like Korra and Asami relationship was forced, and was never shown real chemistry like past relationships in the series.

Hate to say it, but I feel like the ending was in attempt to get more views and awards in hopes making another series in the avatar world.
I would have to agree. It's like it was a last minute plot change to spark controversy. Don't get me wrong, I really like the idea.
As to the OP, I wish it had been a guy. We had Avatar Kuruk (male, hetrosexual) Avatar Roku (male, hetrosexual) then Aang (male, hetrosexual), then Korra (female, homosexual). Before that, there was Avatar Kyoshi and Avatar Yangchen who were females and has no history indicating her sexual preference (which very well could have been homosexual). So I think I would have preferred it have been 2 guys, because it seems now that no matter who the Avatar is, they prefer the female gender.
lame ending, awesome show.

i don't support gays, bye.

Personally, I feel like lesbian couples don't feature in media often unless it's in an oversexualized manner geared toward straight men.

I feel like I see gay men in relationships on shows more often than gay women.

And I feel like gay/bi women tend to be overlooked in general by media.

I mean, think about it.

In recent tv, how many male homosexual couples can you think of versus the females?

I don't think if the ending to LoK had featured a gay male couple, it would've been any more surprising or groundbreaking than the ending we got.


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