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Post: 95305019_1 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 04:45:48 +0000
Posted: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 04:45:48 +0000

Feedback wise, items that don't seem to make sense when in a hand pose- this being one of them.
I came across the "Commander of the" set to notice that there's a small issue here. Not sure if anything can be done, but it stood out as very.. annoying.

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Do the artists even look at such things when making an item? I'm positive it doesn't take much work to make the sword look like it's being held, especially with the pose it's in. There's two full holding poses to where the sword is floating there.. not held.

This is very disappointing seeing that certain poses help express actions of the avatar, compared to others. I'm unable to do so because of this.

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Post: 95305019_2 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 05:05:48 +0000
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They have had this problem for years as to how the off hand holds a weapon of any kind. Wouldn't be all that hard to pick up a ruler in that hand to see how it should be held, but apparently no one has thought about that yet. Or when the weapon hilt seems to be pasted to the female avatar's wrist in the forehand.

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Post: 95305019_3 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 05:39:01 +0000
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I'm pretty sure he's grabbing the blade of the sword, and not the hilt... that's gotta hurt. Closed hand or not, at least position it so you're holding the right part of the sword.

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Post: 95305019_4 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 06:02:49 +0000
Posted: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 06:02:49 +0000

I guess their only solution is to make hand mods that cover the arms themselves like the ones we see in the Princess of Lalune items.

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Post: 95305019_5 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 17:05:12 +0000
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I'm pretty sure he's grabbing the blade of the sword, and not the hilt... that's gotta hurt. Closed hand or not, at least position it so you're holding the right part of the sword.

Not as much as you'd think; historical two-handed sword techniques included so-called "half swording" techniques where you would actually grab the blade with one hand. Two possible applications were:

-Improving accuracy when thrusting the sword to exploit holes in your opponent's armour;
-Actually using the blade as a mace / polearm haft, and using either the handguard or pommel as a striking weapon.

While knights generally wore gauntlets while doing this, it could be done bare-handed by a skilled user.

@OP: What you're seeing is, and has always been, because the female avatar's hands in certain positions (either hand down, or the back hand semi-up) are open-handed. The correction you seem to be asking for would involve the sword being built as part of an arm mod, which would reduce compatibility with other upper body items.

And even then, based on your screenshot, I imagine it to be more like how someone would hold a sheathed sword just before drawing.

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Post: 95305019_6 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 22:22:09 +0000
Posted: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 22:22:09 +0000

The swords always seemed to be sheathed to me, but that particular one almost seems like it's floating... weird.
While I would like it to be fixed, like they were holding on to it, I think that would be more like an arm mod... but still, would be nice ^^"

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Post: 95305019_7 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 22:36:25 +0000
Posted: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 22:36:25 +0000

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I'm pretty sure he's grabbing the blade of the sword, and not the hilt... that's gotta hurt. Closed hand or not, at least position it so you're holding the right part of the sword.

Well, without an actual sheath for the item, it doesnt work.
This could be done by simple changing the position of the sword as you do some items.
Such as with the Ancient Katana. It's more realistic looking just by facing it forward, rather than the floating sword next to the avatar.

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Then you have the Bloody Cherub.

The way it's placed between arm and body gives it an easier, more realistic feel.

I understand that we all see things differently, but I do like some realistic perspectives put into items to make it do-able and able to work without mods (I'm not a fan of arm mods, which is what brought this up.)

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Post: 95305019_8 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 22:37:40 +0000
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I went ahead and quoted Sandokiri with some tekteks of what I would rather see/prefer to make it more accurate looking, in my opinion. Would it be something similar?

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Post: 95305019_9 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 23:01:09 +0000
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I went ahead and quoted Sandokiri with some tekteks of what I would rather see/prefer to make it more accurate looking, in my opinion. Would it be something similar?

I like how the katana looks, honestly they always kinda looked like they should be more like that to me. The second still looks sort of weird without a sheath, but better than what it is now. Larger swords should probably be like the second, so that they're not floating, and smaller (thinner) swords should be like the katana, in my opinion.

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Post: 95305019_10 created on Thu, 25 Dec 2014 23:08:08 +0000
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I went ahead and quoted Sandokiri with some tekteks of what I would rather see/prefer to make it more accurate looking, in my opinion. Would it be something similar?

Agreed C:

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Post: 95305019_11 created on Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:03:51 +0000
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If they moved that particular sword to be in your hand, it wouldn't fit in the avatar box. The tip of the blade is already right at the edge.

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Post: 95305019_12 created on Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:12:44 +0000
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I hate how frequently handhelds look off in terms of perspective. Some really nice poses are often ruined and are unusable because of the awkward position.

Apart from that though, there's another perspective issue that Gaia has had - especially in the last year. Certain artists lately have been copying/pasting certain portions of hats or hairs from frontview poses to the back view poses and often times the perspective is off.

The recolour, Spirited Holiday Sprite (and the original) hat is really nice... but the back view pose of the hat is a copy and pasted version of the front - just flipped. Looks a little awkward from behind:

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Lady Jayne and the Mummy is an older example. The right portion of the hair has always been the same between front-view and back-view poses giving it a front-facing perspective from behind:

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There are many other examples though. I wish that before items were rereleased, the artists take a step back and look to see if the perspective on all poses were correct.

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Post: 95305019_13 created on Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:03:04 +0000
Posted: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:03:04 +0000

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If they moved that particular sword to be in your hand, it wouldn't fit in the avatar box. The tip of the blade is already right at the edge.

It's not hard for them to make it fit.

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Post: 95305019_14 created on Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:04:12 +0000
Posted: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 21:04:12 +0000

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There are many other examples though. I wish that before items were rereleased, the artists take a step back and look to see if the perspective on all poses were correct.

Yikes.
Despite artists being rushed, I figured they need to take some pride in their own. Guess I'm expecting too much.

Even one artist double checking another's work. Proofreading an item, in a way.