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Post: 85907489_1 created on Sun, 12 May 2013 21:20:29 +0000
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Or what?

Is there a reason why aborted babies end up in the first layer of hell in Dante's Inferno?
Is it because they weren't exposed to the teachings of god?

Is that fair that a baby that gets aborted goes to hell or is that cruel of god?

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Post: 85907489_2 created on Sun, 12 May 2013 21:51:53 +0000
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Are babies born athiest, agnostic, or.. Or what?

Agnostic and atheist.

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Is there a reason why aborted babies end up in the first layer of hell in Dante's Inferno?
Is it because they weren't exposed to the teachings of god?

Because they weren't baptized.

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Is that fair that a baby that gets aborted goes to hell or is that cruel of god?

Neither.

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Post: 85907489_3 created on Sun, 12 May 2013 22:31:09 +0000
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Are babies born athiest, agnostic, or.. Or what?

Agnostic and atheist.

Xzaro

Is there a reason why aborted babies end up in the first layer of hell in Dante's Inferno?
Is it because they weren't exposed to the teachings of god?

Because they weren't baptized.

Xzaro

Is that fair that a baby that gets aborted goes to hell or is that cruel of god?

Neither.

How is it possible to be agnostic and atheist?

What does baptizing have to do with it? What does baptizing represent? What about babies that were never baptized?

How is it neither cruel of god or unfair? How is it fair and kind of god to send aborted babies to hell?

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Post: 85907489_4 created on Sun, 12 May 2013 22:35:47 +0000
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How is it possible to be agnostic and atheist?

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What does baptizing have to do with it? What does baptizing represent? What about babies that were never baptized?

Dante considered baptism to be "the portal of the faith that you embrace", without which one lacks the hope for something greater than rational minds can conceive.

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How is it neither cruel of god or unfair? How is it fair and kind of god to send aborted babies to hell?

I said it was neither cruel of god nor fair.

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Post: 85907489_5 created on Sun, 12 May 2013 22:40:28 +0000
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Lucky explained everything perfectly, and people commonly confuse what agnostic actually means. you deserved those two tips and more.

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Post: 85907489_6 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 00:34:53 +0000
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Babies are not born, that we know of, coherent assertions in the existence of a deity.
Babies that end up in that place do so because they have not been baptised.
I don't enjoy making value judgements off hand like that.

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Post: 85907489_7 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 02:02:28 +0000
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How is it possible to be agnostic and atheist?

Xzaro

What does baptizing have to do with it? What does baptizing represent? What about babies that were never baptized?

Dante considered baptism to be "the portal of the faith that you embrace", without which one lacks the hope for something greater than rational minds can conceive.

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How is it neither cruel of god or unfair? How is it fair and kind of god to send aborted babies to hell?

I said it was neither cruel of god nor fair.

Okay thank you for your explanation, I understand better now.

What is your belief/faith (if you don't mind me asking) ?

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Post: 85907489_8 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 06:24:22 +0000
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I think we're born ignostic, as we can't comprehend what god is supposed to be at that age, and if babies could I can't see why they'd care. Their world revolves around eating, pooping, sleeping, cuddling with mommy (slave) and daddy (also slave), and vague shapes that make really annoying sounds when they appear. What place would any god really serve in an infants mind?

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Post: 85907489_9 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 18:23:27 +0000
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Okay thank you for your explanation, I understand better now.

What is your belief/faith (if you don't mind me asking) ?

No problem; some kind of Taoism.

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Post: 85907489_10 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 18:37:00 +0000
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Babies don't have or understand religion. They are babies.

All they understand is num nums, drooling, vomiting, and growing up.

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Post: 85907489_11 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 19:08:07 +0000
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If you're going by the Divine Comedy version of hell, then the first circle is not particularly cruel. Limbo is the abode of those who were more or less virtuous, but not Christian / baptised. It's actually fairly pleasant (probably based on the Asphodel meadow of Homer, which was not a bad afterlife but certainly not as good or desirable as Elysion,) it's just not the glory of heaven.

So when "aborted babies end up in (Limbo,)" that's not really unfair given the criteria, and it's certainly not cruel.

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Post: 85907489_12 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 22:27:42 +0000
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Babies are not born, that we know of, coherent assertions in the existence of a deity.

Sure they do. But once they learn to speak they generally call them "Mommy" and "Daddy." Or however the family life is set up, I'm not about to get into some debate on that.

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Post: 85907489_13 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 22:28:55 +0000
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Babies are not born, that we know of, coherent assertions in the existence of a deity.

Sure they do. But once they learn to speak they generally call them "Mommy" and "Daddy." Or however the family life is set up, I'm not about to get into some debate on that.

I'm sure that that parallel is ridiculous, but I am not sure if you are being wholly serious or not. I wouldn't wish to be presumptuous.

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Post: 85907489_14 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 22:48:00 +0000
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Babies are not born, that we know of, coherent assertions in the existence of a deity.

Sure they do. But once they learn to speak they generally call them "Mommy" and "Daddy." Or however the family life is set up, I'm not about to get into some debate on that.

I'm sure that that parallel is ridiculous, but I am not sure if you are being wholly serious or not. I wouldn't wish to be presumptuous.

I'm never wholly serious. Still, for most kids parents are like gods, at least for a while. Not necessarily good or evil, though. Well... depends on the parent and the kid.

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Post: 85907489_15 created on Mon, 13 May 2013 22:50:13 +0000
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Babies are not born, that we know of, coherent assertions in the existence of a deity.

Sure they do. But once they learn to speak they generally call them "Mommy" and "Daddy." Or however the family life is set up, I'm not about to get into some debate on that.

I'm sure that that parallel is ridiculous, but I am not sure if you are being wholly serious or not. I wouldn't wish to be presumptuous.

I'm never wholly serious. Still, for most kids parents are like gods, at least for a while. Not necessarily good or evil, though. Well... depends on the parent and the kid.

"Really quite great" isn't the same as "Supernatural entity", very often.

Don't ask me; I've little experience in such areas.

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