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Who are the 1%? Turns out the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area makes up 43% of the top 1%!

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..today, for the first time, most of America's richest counties are in the Washington area. About 43 percent of "the 1 percent"—the top earners leftists say they hate—now live in 14 counties that surround the District of Columbia.

Nick Sorrentino, creator of AgainstCronyCapitalism.org, notes that average total compensation for a federal employee is now about $120,000, and the gap between government pay and private pay has been growing.

It's not that Washingtonians are smarter or more productive than the rest of us. It's that as government grows, more money flows to lobbyists, trade groups and others who live close to those who pass out your money. Government is a parasite—but a parasite that helps its friends. The way people get rich in Washington is not by inventing things, but by being good at schmoozing and manipulating the bureaucrats who control your money.

Tourists visit Washington and admire the beautiful buildings. All that marble once made me feel patriotic, too, but now I get angry...

[moar in article]


Turns out government officials, employees, lobbyists, and other people who've taken up residence in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area make up over 40% of the richest people in the country. Between bloated salaries (now a lot of them can be found here for all to see, thank you Freedom of Information Act!), handouts, and corporate lobbying, the moneytit grows larger and larger.
Is that $120,000 figure the mean, the median or the mode?

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azulmagia
Is that $120,000 figure the mean, the median or the mode?


"Average" typically denotes mean. The article, and a general Google search didn't find anything specific, Again though, it's total compensation. Average salaries are still >$80,000/yr in D.C. Usually if reporting a median or mode people point it out. Otherwise simple averages (means) are taken.

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The life of the average lobbyist must be the closest equivalent we have to that of a 80's rock star. I don't see how else the most affluent district in the country would also have this huge problem with sex, drugs, violence and cannibalism. May they one day drown in their own vomit.
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The life of the average lobbyist must be the closest equivalent we have to that of a 80's rock star. I don't see how else the most affluent district in the country would also have this huge problem with sex, drugs, violence and cannibalism. May they one day drown in their own vomit.

In regards to those four categories, my guess is systems is pushing up the average.

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The life of the average lobbyist must be the closest equivalent we have to that of a 80's rock star. I don't see how else the most affluent district in the country would also have this huge problem with sex, drugs, violence and cannibalism. May they one day drown in their own vomit.

In regards to those four categories, my guess is systems is pushing up the average.


I now live in Iowa instead to D.C. crying But, I'm also making money now as a student, which is a positive.

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The life of the average lobbyist must be the closest equivalent we have to that of a 80's rock star. I don't see how else the most affluent district in the country would also have this huge problem with sex, drugs, violence and cannibalism. May they one day drown in their own vomit.


Well, the DC metropolitan area is also one of the most segregated, and class unequal cities in the country. Just from walking around the city should make it very clear to predominately white tourists there are areas of the city you do, and areas of the city you don't go to. Further, most of the lobbyists, politicians, and 'high rollers' are white affluent (males), while most people working service jobs are the local black citizens.

Most of the college students either find employment in the largely affluent areas of the city (Georgetown/Dupont Circle area) or in government internships. Meanwhile, due to the poverty endemic in the black neighborhoods of the city crime, drug use, etc are incredibly common, only confounded by the large amount of homeless vet's on the streets.

So DC has the difference being the politicians do blow and hire'escorts' and the locals do crack with hookers from Adam's Morgan if they feel like being fancy.

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Heimdalr
The life of the average lobbyist must be the closest equivalent we have to that of a 80's rock star. I don't see how else the most affluent district in the country would also have this huge problem with sex, drugs, violence and cannibalism. May they one day drown in their own vomit.


Well, the DC metropolitan area is also one of the most segregated, and class unequal cities in the country. Just from walking around the city should make it very clear to predominately white tourists there are areas of the city you do, and areas of the city you don't go to. Further, most of the lobbyists, politicians, and 'high rollers' are white affluent (males), while most people working service jobs are the local black citizens.

Most of the college students either find employment in the largely affluent areas of the city (Georgetown/Dupont Circle area) or in government internships. Meanwhile, due to the poverty endemic in the black neighborhoods of the city crime, drug use, etc are incredibly common, only confounded by the large amount of homeless vet's on the streets.

So DC has the difference being the politicians do blow and hire'escorts' and the locals do crack with hookers from Adam's Morgan if they feel like being fancy.

Usually something in the proximity is feeding the criminal element of a city for it to grow to this extent. There needs to be a money drain where legitimate money is funneled into the black market. (no racism intended x) To realize that much of this money comes directly from the taxpayer and major corporations is kind of sickening.
Oh, well then. That seems like a ripe place to then run around with a shotgun to shove in someone's face and demand their money, and know that on average, the people I'm doing it to PROBABLY deserve it.

No really, does Glenn Hubbard live there? Because I would pistol whip that c**t and I wouldn't feel bad. And I ******** MEAN it. I may have been joking about the armed robbery, but that I ******** mean.
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azulmagia
Is that $120,000 figure the mean, the median or the mode?


"Average" typically denotes mean. The article, and a general Google search didn't find anything specific, Again though, it's total compensation. Average salaries are still >$80,000/yr in D.C. Usually if reporting a median or mode people point it out. Otherwise simple averages (means) are taken.


Well, you're doing your best to make it sound justifiable, but unless the distribution is close to the normal distribution, it matters which of the three types of averages are best to use, as Chapter 2 ("The Well-chosen Average" wink of Darrell Huff's "How to Lie with Statistics" tells us.

Speaking of that book, this entire article is a FANTASTIC example of the "semi-attached figure": announce that you're proving X, prove Y instead, but say that you've proven X instead, and finally, hope that nobody has the brains to figure that out. In this article, the very title of which "Why D.C. Is the Richest Region in the Country," does not, in fact, go on to prove such a proposition - any more than the term "region" is defined. It does not logically follow that if 43% of the 1% live in DC + 14 surrounding counties (a suspiciously arbitrary grouping to start with) then the greater DC area is the "richest region in the country". In fact, since there are also a lot of black people in that region, and black people tend to be poor, that would if anything, pull the region down somewhat, as by definition, there are not a lot of rich people as a proportion of total population.

Noticeably absent from the rogues gallery of persons on the Washington gravy train are think tanks. This may be because Stossel is a shill himself, and also because his older bother Thomas, is a part of the Mahattan Institute.

Then again, the entire article is worth disregarding on the mere grounds that John Stossel wrote it.

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azulmagia
Is that $120,000 figure the mean, the median or the mode?


"Average" typically denotes mean. The article, and a general Google search didn't find anything specific, Again though, it's total compensation. Average salaries are still >$80,000/yr in D.C. Usually if reporting a median or mode people point it out. Otherwise simple averages (means) are taken.


Well, you're doing your best to make it sound justifiable, but unless the distribution is close to the normal distribution, it matters which of the three types of averages are best to use, as Chapter 2 ("The Well-chosen Average" wink of Darrell Huff's "How to Lie with Statistics" tells us.

Speaking of that book, this entire article is a FANTASTIC example of the "semi-attached figure": announce that you're proving X, prove Y instead, but say that you've proven X instead, and finally, hope that nobody has the brains to figure that out. In this article, the very title of which "Why D.C. Is the Richest Region in the Country," does not, in fact, go on to prove such a proposition - any more than the term "region" is defined. It does not logically follow that if 43% of the 1% live in DC + 14 surrounding counties (a suspiciously arbitrary grouping to start with) then the greater DC area is the "richest region in the country". In fact, since there are also a lot of black people in that region, and black people tend to be poor, that would if anything, pull the region down somewhat, as by definition, there are not a lot of rich people as a proportion of total population.

Noticeably absent from the rogues gallery of persons on the Washington gravy train are think tanks. This may be because Stossel is a shill himself, and also because his older bother Thomas, is a part of the Mahattan Institute.

Then again, the entire article is worth disregarding on the mere grounds that John Stossel wrote it.


Man, this really reminds me why I generally don't care about this place. Seriously, should I just start citing random books too? I think if people don't realize to be skeptical about statistics/figures is a bad thing, but lets actually be somewhat critical here. I generally agree the fact that this is Reason/Stosell is a knock against it, anyway.

Are there issues with the article? ******** yeah. But let's assert its claims.

1. 43% of the top 1% live in DC Metropolitan Area (this is why the counties is pretty important. If 43% of the richest 1%, between places like NY Met and San Fran Met areas, I doubt either one of those contains >40% of the top 1%)
-There is no claim here made as to who earns this money, whether or not it's government officials, lobbyists, etc. I have no doubt that a fair share of politicians make up the top 1%. It's easy to find people on both sides of the aisle that can fit into this hole.

-Yes, there is a difference between the median and the mean here, but that's irrelevant given the claim about the top 1% living in the region. In fact, the 'upwards skew' generated by this is captured best in the average over the median. This analysis after all is making no claim as to the median salary.

2. Total compensation is $120,000.
-This is relatively well documented.
-Average government salaries are still $80,000+, compared to a private salaries of $50,000+. And while a lot of wage equations might show the discrepancy isn't as large as one would want (gov't officials being more educated for example), breakdown by professions show that there is still job specific wage discrepancies.

3. The argument that 43% of the top 1% live in DC, and the claim that the average total compensation is $120,000 are mutually exclusive besides to a secondary claim that DC has a lot of glut associated with it.

Therefore, while the DC metropolitan area might not have the richest of the top 1%, I think that given that the metropolitan area has >40% of the top 1%, it is hard to claim other metropolitan areas have just as large amount of the top 1%.

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Lobbyists, trade groups, and think tanks, for sure.
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1. 43% of the top 1% live in DC Metropolitan Area (this is why the counties is pretty important. If 43% of the richest 1%, between places like NY Met and San Fran Met areas, I doubt either one of those contains >40% of the top 1%)


Whether or not that is dubious is not really the point, the point is such a situation is at least possible, even if it doesn't seem all that plausible. 43% does not convey the same level of confidence as, say, 57%. And nobody should hold it past Stossel that he would completely ignore it if New York City had a percentage equal to or larger than Washington DC.

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There is no claim here made as to who earns this money, whether or not it's government officials, lobbyists, etc. I have no doubt that a fair share of politicians make up the top 1%.


There is no claim being made, but it's disingenous to assert that Stossel isn't at least trying to leave an impression that civil servants are a substantial proportion of this. Which is the probable reason he mentioned the amount of average salary just after this. At the rhetorical level, he's looking for a cheap reductio ad absurdum for talking about the 1% at all.

Of course, if he's not addressing the question of how the 1% in the DC area breaks down, it's probably for a reason. Also, it would be interesting how many of the people in question are part of the so-called military-industrial complex as opposed to merely civilian concerns.

It would also be instructive to focus on the places where, say, 90% of the civil servants live and see how this compares to the whole of the 14 surrounding counties.

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Yes, there is a difference between the median and the mean here, but that's irrelevant given the claim about the top 1% living in the region.


Actually, for Stossel to quote the figure is irrelevant in the first place, since merely citing a mean, in and of itself, gives us no useful information on the distribution within what category is being measured. But he's counting on the average (!) reader to pass over this and draw the conclusions that Stossel's stacking of the deck were meant to incline him to believe.

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Average government salaries are still $80,000+, compared to a private salaries of $50,000+.


There's also more proportion of unionized workers in the public sector than in the private sector, if memory serves right.

Additionally, it's insufficient merely to compare public sector salaries to private sector ones. It would also help enormously if public sector salaries in the US were compared to other industrialized countries, etc. But then again, when the United States is compared in such a way, more often than not, the relative niggardliness of the American welfare state, regulations, or whatever, becomes apparent.

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3. The argument that 43% of the top 1% live in DC, and the claim that the average total compensation is $120,000 are mutually exclusive besides to a secondary claim that DC has a lot of glut associated with it.

Therefore, while the DC metropolitan area might not have the richest of the top 1%, I think that given that the metropolitan area has >40% of the top 1%, it is hard to claim other metropolitan areas have just as large amount of the top 1%.


Yes, but unless they are ruled out, it's a mere assumption, and it still doesn't change the fact that Stossel can't even be bothered to prove what the title of his article claims is the case. And yes, I do expect the title of something to have a bearing on what it sets out to deal with, especially if it's phrased as an explicit claim.

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