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I don't remember where I heard this, but was Robin raped by the Joker? Note that I've heard this information a long time ago.
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It's amazing what people will make up.
The Joker beat Jason Todd into unconsciousness with a crowbar, then blew him up with a bomb.
That's plenty of brutality for anyone.
It could also be a (mis-) reference to the animated movie, where Joker kidnapped Tim and "had his way" with him. Mostly through torture and brainwashing, but let's not let the facts get in the way of rumors!

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Is huntress Batmans daughter?
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In the original Earth-2 chronology, Bruce Wayne retires, an adult Robin is Gotham City's
main protector, and Bruce settles down and has a daughter. He also becomes Police
Comissioner. His daughter (with Selina Kyle, IIRC) was Helena Wayne,
aka Huntress.

After Crisis on Infinite Earths, the merged Earth had one timeline, and Gotham City
got an anti-mob crusader in the form of Helena Bertinelli, aka Huntress.
(She has no direct connection to Bruce Wayne. Batman sponsored her for JLA membership
once, and also for dismissal for being ready to kill Prometheus. He never trained her
nor worked with her directly outside of the JLA, although during "Legacy" -the post-"Contagion"
story- they worked on the same team.)

In "hypertime", there was effectively an Earth-2 and a Helena Wayne that's the Huntress
and Batman's daughter.

After "Infinite Crisis" and the return of 51 other Earths, there's an Earth-2 that has a Helena
Wayne that's the Huntress and Batman's daughter.

So, other than the Earth-2 Huntresses, no, but each of the Earth-2 Huntresses is a "yes".

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Batman of Gotham
I have officially revealed myself to be the Uber-Nerd of Batman.


No you haven't. You'd have to at least be able to keep up with the rest of the Batman nerds
on Gaia to even qualify for consideration. And I'm doing better at answering the questions
than you just typing "off-the-cuff" from memory than you're doing with online research.

Get back to me in 2 years. If you've been doing your homework, you may be in our weight-class.

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Batman of Gotham
BULDANGUS
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Is huntress Batmans daughter?
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Good question. That's very easy to confuse. Huntress is only in the Birds of Prey TV show which was based on the Burton/Schumaker films. She's the daughter of Catwoman and Batman and was apparently intended to set up a 5th movie in that series but the show and film were scrapped when Warner Brothers decided to reboot the series with Christopher Nolan as the director.


The Birds of Prey TV series drew on Earth-1 and Earth-2 story elements as it suited them,
which is their privilege in the quest to make a better story.

So, they made a TV Huntress who's Batman's daughter (and Catwoman's daughter),
in the same way the Earth-2 Huntress was written decades before.

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Batman of Gotham
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What was the story of Two-face's face?
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Easy. When Harvey Dent was the District Attorney of Gotham City, he was suspected of being the Holiday Killer. When Carmine Falcone was going on trial, his plan was to throw acid in Harvey's face in vengeance for him supposedly killing Carmine's father. By the way, Carmine was a major crime lord in Gotham.

So, Carmine threw a small vial of acid in Harvey's face during the trial which scarred the left side of his face and his left hand. Harvey went insane due to his horrifically disfigured apearance. Undeneath the scars, he was absued as a child. His father would play a merciless game with him in which he would flip a two-headed coin and if the coin landed on tails, he would spare the child a beating. Harvey had already developed many mental problems due to the abuse, but the scarring only excentricated the problem, giving him a dual personality. He became obssessed with duality and the number two and escaped the hospital, becoming a crime lord. He took a knife to the same coin his father flipped to decide his fate and scarred it on one side, reflecting his personality. In many cases, he would use the coin to decide whether to act as a hero or a villain, whether to kill someone or spare them or whether or not to commit a crime or not.

EDIT: Another interesting fact about Two-Face is that he wers clothing which was two colors, black on one side, whtie on the other. He has also dyed the hair on the scarred side of his face white and has kept it very wild looking as opposed to the normal side being well-kept and brushed back.


AHEM.
Sal "BOSS" Maroni was on the witness stand and threw acid in Harvey Dent's face.
In the pre-CoIE continuity, Batman tried to stop him, succeeding in sparing HALF Dent's face
from the acid.
In post-CoIE continuity, Carmine Falcone ("the Roman" wink is "Boss" Maroni's boss (sometimes
his rival, sometimes his boss), but Maroni is still the one who threw the acid.

For someone who's been doing research online, you should have gotten that correct-
I found more than 1 online article that has it correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal_Maroni
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Carmine_Falcone_(New_Earth)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Falcone

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Shiraichi
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Batman of Gotham
I have officially revealed myself to be the Uber-Nerd of Batman.


I have officially demoted you to just Nerd of Batman.

Yah, the Azrael question was intentional, not many know about him as he only appeared a bit in Knightfall ^^;

Sorry to trick you, =D
Wait... Wait wait wait! I remember him now! I remember reading about him in the Batman/Punisher series! He was brainwashed by the Order of St. Dumas and later trained by Bruce Wayne to be his replacement during the events of Knightfall. Later, he was killed by Blis and Scratch.

You almost had me there. I didn't know his name, but when I saw him in the Batman costume, it all came back =D


Too late!! The bomb has been dropped ^^

He only had a couple of appearances so don't sweat it.

Even Lady Shiva had more presence than him... and she is supposed to be a master ninja.



Jean-Paul Valley appeared a LOT more than you both remember.
He was introduced in "Sword of Azrael."
Then Robin trained him for a time, complete with a Robin-designed black Azrael costume.
Then Knighfall came, and Azrael fought beside Batman and Robin.
When Bane broke Batman's back, Bruce asked Tim to put Jean-Paul in the Bat-costume.
(Some fans had claimed they wanted a violent, "90s" Batman, so DC gave them what they
claimed they wanted-and demonstrated it didn't work. And they made no secret that this is
what they had planned.)
So Jean-Paul Valley was Batman for the end of Knightfall, and all of Knightquest-the Crusade.
In Knightsend, Bruce forces Valley to retire as Batman. (Azrael has a mini-breakdown when
defeated, and becomes homeless for a time.)

Some time later, Valley returns as Azrael. (With issue 1 of his own series.)
Some time after THAT, Valley begins working indirectly for Bruce again.
("Azrael-Agent of the Bat." wink
He even teamed up with The Question (Vic).
When his series was canceled, he was killed under vague circumstances, and has been
presumed dead.

("A couple of appearances", my fanny.)

Since then, a brand-new Azrael has been introduced, wearing the Suit of Sorrows.

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pokemonmon
hows this for an unknown fact:

after bruce wayne died, the first robin, d**k Grayson became the new batman who was nightwing at the time batman died.

d**k Grayson is the same robin from teen titans surprised


That's hardly an unknown fact.
d**k Grayson previously wore the Batman costume during the "Prodigal" story arc.
During the more recent "Battle for the Cowl", DC dragged out DG putting on the
mantle of the Bat again before he did so.

Those are hardly "unknown" facts.
"Prodigal" has been collected in TPB format, and the "Battle for the Cowl" is only
about a year old. And we nitpicked it here on Gaia while others did the same
all over fandom.

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I'm confident that, when he works his way down to mine, Max'll find them all to be on the up and up.

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*Reads through the first post.* . . . Are any of these "obscure facts" actually obscure? I mean, I am everything that is opposite of a Bat-fan, and I know that stuff . . .

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I'm a little surprised that, in your list Kay, you forgot to mention about the 'bonus' hidden in the background of Crisis on Infinite Earth issue #7, when Earth-2 and Earth-1 Alfred met for tea.

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pokemonmon
hows this for an unknown fact:

after bruce wayne died, the first robin, d**k Grayson became the new batman who was nightwing at the time batman died.

d**k Grayson is the same robin from teen titans surprised
Actually, Battle for The Cowl was a highly publicised event in DC. It was even featured on Attack of The Show. Another fact is that Tim Drake felt resentment towards d**k for not allowing him to be his Robin instead choosing Damian Wayne. d**k told him that he thinks of him as an equal, not an apprentice. And d**k Grayson was in Teen Titans, comic and show. It really suprises me when people say that it was Tim Drake even through all the obvious signs.

EDIT: Another thing I hated was that they had Starfire for his love interest when everyone knows that Batgirl is d**k's true love.


It's not QUITE so obvious the Teen Titans cartoon and "Teen Titans Go!" comic Robin is
d**k Grayson. The most obvious signs it is are that his 5th Dimensional fan's name was
"Kcid Nosyarg" and that his love interest is Starfire. They also used Tim Drake's costume
and Tim was the more recent Teen Titan's "Robin" in the main continuity.

Barbara Gordon may well be DG's OTP, but DG did live with Kory and made it all the way to the
altar with her-which is further than the writers allowed him to get with Barbara.
(He didn't get further because the writers had a villain fry the minister just as he was
pronouncing them "man and wife."
Technically, they were ALREADY MARRIED, since the marriage license is what the law
cares about, the ceremony is literally "ceremonial" and is not binding.
However, the writers forgot that little detail...)

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Miss-dark8607
Whoa the last one blow my mind. Damn. Hmm the only question that been begging me and I know it's kind of a silly fangirl question but still. Why can't Batman ever just stay in a relationship like for good? He has had so many lovers but can't ever get close and then I have to nerd rage at people who use that as why he is just a sad mental case who is still batty about his parents and need to get the emo stick out of his a**. rolleyes (Sorry, but I think Batman is cooler than that and he isn't just some emo brat that went nuts over his parents' death)

I don't know, I kind of always wanted Batman to just have steady and long running relationship like Peter Parker but would that take away from his bad a** persona?


Blame the writers, and blame the editors.
Joe Q got so afraid of a Spiderman who had already been married for 20 years- 1/2 the
character's entire history- that he had a writer write in a literal deal with the devil to erase
20 years of continuity. He was afraid the fans couldn't accept it (which they had for 20
years) and that the writers wouldn't be able to write stories (which they had for 20 years.)

DC has editors who are no less cowardly. We're waiting for DiDio and a few others to leave
before d**k Grayson and Barbara Gordon have ANY hope of getting together.
I forget which editor said he's block it while he's an editor- I don't think it was DiDio who said it.
(He just wanted to kill DG as soon as he got his job.)

They just don't have the guts to write with Bruce in a LTR that isn't a setup for a villain plot.

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Wally_West
I'm a little surprised that, in your list Kay, you forgot to mention about the 'bonus' hidden in the background of Crisis on Infinite Earth issue #7, when Earth-2 and Earth-1 Alfred met for tea.


eek Wow! I've never noticed that before! eek

I guess that makes you the Premiere Golden Special Bat-Nerd Numero Uno now, Wally.

Hand over the crown graciously, Batman_Of_Gotham.

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Kay_Challis

  • The revelation of the (then dead) Alfred as the mysterious and villainous 'Outsider' came about through a misprint in Detective #356. With the issue on the shelves however, DC had no choice but to follow through with the continuity and restore the character.

  • The classic Riddler story My Last is in 'Solvable' is written entirely in riddles. To the frustration of many fans, the one crucial to the resolution has never been solved. Gardner Fox, the story's writer, insisted to his dying day that there was a correct answer to the riddle and that it revealed a "dark truth".

  • All references to Aunt Harriet having been Bruce's wet nurse were edited out of Batman #184 for its reprint in the Showcase editions.

  • The shift to zanier 'space aliens and giant robots' stories in the 1950s came about largely on the personal inititive of artist d**k Sprang, who would take the scripts he was given about gangsters and bank robbers and largely ignore them in favour of drawing space aliens and giant robots. The script would then be changed to reflect the new illustrations, but on at least one occasion the original dialogue was printed - leaving readers with the unexplained spectacle of giraffe-necked purple blobs plotting to run protection rackets and receive shipments of smuggled contraband.

  • The original concept for 'The Outsiders' was as a team of villains made of up different evil clones of Alfred. Editors balked however at the (implied) pederast 'Stranger Alfred' and the genocidaly facistic 'Alfred Hilter' and nixed the idea. Eight pages of Jim Aparo art were completed for the project and are currently in private hands.

  • 1992's 'The Thin Man' storyline was only readable if you bought March's issues of Batman, Detective, Shadow of the Bat and Robin and arranged them in a vertical line so that the first page of each would form one long page that strectched down across the four comics. You'd then have to turn all the pages simultaneously before reading the second 'page' in the same way, and so on through the four books.

  • 'A Trick of the Night' from World's Finest #73 revealed that Batman has the innate superpower to teleport inanimate objects across small distances. This has never been referenced again, but presumably he still has this ability.


Ok, see, now THIS is a list of "unknown Batman trivia."

(I mean, literally it's known since here it is, but figuratively it's incredibly obscure and would take
research, work, luck, and small miracles to unearth them all from here.)

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Max Mercury

(I mean, literally it's known since here it is, but figuratively it's incredibly obscure and would take
research, work, luck, and small miracles to unearth them all from here.)


Especially since DC are so sensitive about a lot of it.

Jeanette Khan famously once had security escort a fan out of a convention panel for turning up in an 'Alfred Hitler' cosplay.
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