The Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread - New Rankings

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I wonder, if I am the only one, who thinks that Alves will upset GSP in the main event at UFC 100.

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Operation_Meth_Squash

I wonder, if I am the only one, who thinks that Alves will upset GSP in the main event at UFC 100.

I would believe so as Mir and Lesnar is the main event. Alves has a good shot at winning this though and I do not put it past him getting an early stoppage.

[21-b_Hooah]

Im really looking forward to the mir and Lesnar fight...Either Lesnar will manhandle Mir and get a TKO or Mir will find a way to survive and tap out lesnar...But most likly not with an armbar or triangle....Mir's standup did impress me with his fight with Nog but Lesnars power makes it hard to standup with him...I really want to see what lesnar does if he gets in the mui thai clinch...

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Lesnar I think would feel comfortable in the clinch, it's been close to seven months since he fought Randy and was shown that he did not have a lot of clinch work training. I am sure that they noticed this and made changes and trained him for this extensively, though I do not think Mir can control him in the clinch like Randy did.

[baka_boy1221]

This fight is going to be interesting ... due to the fact that we are not sure where it will take place. Will it be a ground fight ... the classic wrestling v BJJ or will Lesnar and Mir stand with each other ...

[21-b_Hooah]

Go to ufc.com they updated it for ufc 100

[redraptor06]

It's less than a week away


I cant wait. xd

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Operation_Meth_Squash

I wonder, if I am the only one, who thinks that Alves will upset GSP in the main event at UFC 100.

I would believe so as Mir and Lesnar is the main event. Alves has a good shot at winning this though and I do not put it past him getting an early stoppage.

I disagree. They are Co-Main Events. Much as Forrest - Evans was Co Main Event with Nog and Mir at Ultimate '08 last December

On a side note, besides the fact that Alves can't seem to make weight against anyone. . . I think he'll give GSP a run for his money. Just look at Alves - Kosi and compare that to GSP - Kosi.

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Operation_Meth_Squash

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Operation_Meth_Squash

I wonder, if I am the only one, who thinks that Alves will upset GSP in the main event at UFC 100.

I would believe so as Mir and Lesnar is the main event. Alves has a good shot at winning this though and I do not put it past him getting an early stoppage.

I disagree. They are Co-Main Events. Much as Forrest - Evans was Co Main Event with Nog and Mir at Ultimate '08 last December

On a side note, besides the fact that Alves can't seem to make weight against anyone. . . I think he'll give GSP a run for his money. Just look at Alves - Kosi and compare that to GSP - Kosi.

Alves is a big strong guy for a welterweight. He manhandled Parysian, Hughes, and Koschek. Sure there is the weight issue, but I don't think Alves is going to pull a Lutter ... he wants that belt ... we will all have to see what will happen ...

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Operation_Meth_Squash

I wonder, if I am the only one, who thinks that Alves will upset GSP in the main event at UFC 100.

I would believe so as Mir and Lesnar is the main event. Alves has a good shot at winning this though and I do not put it past him getting an early stoppage.

I disagree. They are Co-Main Events. Much as Forrest - Evans was Co Main Event with Nog and Mir at Ultimate '08 last December

On a side note, besides the fact that Alves can't seem to make weight against anyone. . . I think he'll give GSP a run for his money. Just look at Alves - Kosi and compare that to GSP - Kosi.

Alves is a big strong guy for a welterweight. He manhandled Parysian, Hughes, and Koschek. Sure there is the weight issue, but I don't think Alves is going to pull a Lutter ... he wants that belt ... we will all have to see what will happen ...

But GSP is also big as a welterweight ... I believe that GSP's technique will carry him to a win ...

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Rankings

This is always something that people will fight over but I am going to put up a listing of the top rankings of weight classes for male fighters, based on actual results not a website's belief on who is the best like Sherdog.

Heavyweight:

1. Fedor Emelianenko

2. Josh Barnett

3. Frank Mir

4. Andrei Arlovski

5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

6. Randy Couture

7. Tim Sylvia

8. Alistair Overeem

9. Gabriel Gonzaga

10. Brock Lesnar

Light-Heavyweight:

1. Lyoto Machida

2. Rashad Evans

3. Quinton Jackson

4. Forrest Griffin

5. Chuck Liddell

6. Keith Jardine

7. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua

8. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira

9. Wanderlei Silva

10. Renato "Babalu" Sobral

Middleweight:

1. Anderson Silva

2. Robbie Lawler

3. Yushin Okami

4. Nathan Marquardt

5. Jorge Santiago

6. Dan Henderson

7. Gegard Mousasi

8. Vitor Belfort

9. Rich Franklin

10. Yoshihiro Akiyama

Welterweight:

1. Georges St. Pierre

2. Jon Fitch

3. Thiago Alves

4. Jake Shields

5. Josh Koscheck

6. Matt Hughes

7. Matt Serra

8. Carlos Condit

9. Nick Thompson

10. Mike Swick

Lightweight:

1. B.J. Penn

2. Shinya Aoki

3. Kenny Florian

4. Sean Sherk

5. Joachim Hansen

6. Eddie Alvarez

7. Gesias "JZ" Calvancante

8. Tatsuya Kawajiri

9. Josh Thomson

10. Mitsuhiro Ishida

Featherweight:

1. Mike Brown

2. Urijah Faber

3. Wagnney Fabiano

4. Norifumi "Kid' Yamamoto

5. Hatsu Hioki

6. "Lion" Takeshi Inoue

7. Akitoshi Tamura

8. Hideki Kadowaki

9. Jeff Curran

10. Leonard Garcia

Bantamweight:

1. Miguel Torres

2. Brian Bowles

3. Masakatsu Ueda

4. Koetsu Okazaki

5. Marcos Galvao

6. Takeya Mizugaki

7. Will Ribeiro

8. Chase Beebe

9. Manny Tapia

10. Atsushi Yamamoto

Those rankings are similar to mine but not quite...


Heavyweight:
1)Fedor Emelianenko (30-1, 1 NC)
2) Josh Barnett (24-5)
3) Frank Mir (12-3)
4)Brock Lesnar (3-1)
5) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (31-5-1, 1 NC)
6) Brett Rogers (10-0)
7) Randy Couture (16-9)
8 Andrei Arlovski (15-7)
9)Shane Carwin (11-0)
10)Cain Velasquez (6-0)
Fedor has been king of the heavyweights for a while but some new up and comming heavyweights are making the division look Far better than before...
Light Heavyweight:
1)Lyoto Machida (15-0)
2)Quinton Jackson (30-7)
3) Rashad Evans (13-1-1)
4) Forrest Griffin (16-5)
5)Mauricio Rua (18-3)
6)Rich Franklin (25-4, 1 NC)
7)Keith Jardine (14-5-1)
8 Wanderlei Silva (32-10-1, 1 NC)
9) Tito Ortiz (15-6-1)
10) Thiago Silva (13-1)
Machida is one scary dude...not the most exciting fighter because he doesnt push the pace but when he explodes he looks amazing...
Middleweight:
1)Anderson Silva (24-4)
2) Yushin Okami (23-4
3) Dan Henderson (24-7)
4) Nate Marquardt (28-8-2)
5) Demian Maia (10-0)
6) Thales Leites (14-2)
7)Jorge Santiago (21-7)
8 )Vitor Belfort (18-8 )
9)Nick Diaz (20-7, 1 NC
10)Robbie Lawler (16-5, 1 NC)
Anderson silva is the king of the middleweights and maby soon he will go for the LHW gold...
Welterweight:
1) Georges St. Pierre (18-2)
2) Thiago Alves (16-3)
3)Jon Fitch (18-3, 1 NC)
4)Jake Shields (23-4-1)
5) Martin Kampmann (15-2)
6)Karo Parisyan (18-5, 1 NC)
7) Mike Swick (14-2)
8 )Matt Hughes (43-7)
9)Paulo Thiago (11-0)
10) Josh Koscheck (12-4)
St Pierre Is on a whole other lvl when he trains hard and thats why i think he is gonna be champ for a long time...

Lightweight: (your really not gonna like this one)
1)Shinya Aoki (20-4, 1 NC)
2) Eddie Alvarez (17-2)
3)B.J. Penn (13-5-1)
4) Joachim Hansen (19-7-1)
5)Kenny Florian (11-3)
6)Satoru Kitaoka (25-8-9)
7)Gray Maynard (7-0, 1 NC)
8 )Diago Sanchez (23-2)
9)Frankie Edgar (10-1)
10) Sean Sherk (33-4-1)
Everyone loves Bj Penn but the fact is he went 4-4 in his last 8 fights...Shinya Aoki is one of the most exciting dudes in the sport and I think he would beat BJ Penn if he ever came to UFC...

Here what I think are the rankings within the UFC:

Heavyweight
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Frank Mir
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Randy Couture
5. Cain Valasquez
6. Shane Carwin
7. Cheick Kongo
8. Gabriel Gonzaga
9. Heath Herring
10. Junior Dos Santos

Light Heavyweight
1. Lyoto Machida
2. Rashad Evans
3. Quinton Jackson
4. Forrest Griffin
5. Mauricio Rua
6. Rich Franklin
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Keith Jardine
9. Thiago Silva
10. Jon Jones

Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Yushin Okami
4. Nate Marquardt
5. Demian Maia
6. Michael Bisping
7. Patrick Cote
8. Kendall Grove
9. Ricardo Almieda
10. Chris Leben

Welterweight
1. George St. Pierre
2. Thiago Alves
3. Jon Fitch
4. Martin Kampmann
5. Mike Swick
6. Josh Koscheck
7. Matt Hughes
8. Matt Serra
9. Carlos Condit
10. Paulo Thiago

Lightweight
1. BJ Penn
2. Kenny Florian
3. Diego Sanchez
4. Joe Stevenson
5. Frankie Edgar
6. Tyson Griffin
7. Sean Sherk
8. Clay Guida
9. Hermes Franca
10. Gray Maynard

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mmafighter1221

Dutch Rutter

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Rankings

This is always something that people will fight over but I am going to put up a listing of the top rankings of weight classes for male fighters, based on actual results not a website's belief on who is the best like Sherdog.

Heavyweight:

1. Fedor Emelianenko

2. Josh Barnett

3. Frank Mir

4. Andrei Arlovski

5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

6. Randy Couture

7. Tim Sylvia

8. Alistair Overeem

9. Gabriel Gonzaga

10. Brock Lesnar

Light-Heavyweight:

1. Lyoto Machida

2. Rashad Evans

3. Quinton Jackson

4. Forrest Griffin

5. Chuck Liddell

6. Keith Jardine

7. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua

8. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira

9. Wanderlei Silva

10. Renato "Babalu" Sobral

Middleweight:

1. Anderson Silva

2. Robbie Lawler

3. Yushin Okami

4. Nathan Marquardt

5. Jorge Santiago

6. Dan Henderson

7. Gegard Mousasi

8. Vitor Belfort

9. Rich Franklin

10. Yoshihiro Akiyama

Welterweight:

1. Georges St. Pierre

2. Jon Fitch

3. Thiago Alves

4. Jake Shields

5. Josh Koscheck

6. Matt Hughes

7. Matt Serra

8. Carlos Condit

9. Nick Thompson

10. Mike Swick

Lightweight:

1. B.J. Penn

2. Shinya Aoki

3. Kenny Florian

4. Sean Sherk

5. Joachim Hansen

6. Eddie Alvarez

7. Gesias "JZ" Calvancante

8. Tatsuya Kawajiri

9. Josh Thomson

10. Mitsuhiro Ishida

Featherweight:

1. Mike Brown

2. Urijah Faber

3. Wagnney Fabiano

4. Norifumi "Kid' Yamamoto

5. Hatsu Hioki

6. "Lion" Takeshi Inoue

7. Akitoshi Tamura

8. Hideki Kadowaki

9. Jeff Curran

10. Leonard Garcia

Bantamweight:

1. Miguel Torres

2. Brian Bowles

3. Masakatsu Ueda

4. Koetsu Okazaki

5. Marcos Galvao

6. Takeya Mizugaki

7. Will Ribeiro

8. Chase Beebe

9. Manny Tapia

10. Atsushi Yamamoto

Those rankings are similar to mine but not quite...


Heavyweight:
1)Fedor Emelianenko (30-1, 1 NC)
2) Josh Barnett (24-5)
3) Frank Mir (12-3)
4)Brock Lesnar (3-1)
5) Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (31-5-1, 1 NC)
6) Brett Rogers (10-0)
7) Randy Couture (16-9)
8 Andrei Arlovski (15-7)
9)Shane Carwin (11-0)
10)Cain Velasquez (6-0)
Fedor has been king of the heavyweights for a while but some new up and comming heavyweights are making the division look Far better than before...
Light Heavyweight:
1)Lyoto Machida (15-0)
2)Quinton Jackson (30-7)
3) Rashad Evans (13-1-1)
4) Forrest Griffin (16-5)
5)Mauricio Rua (18-3)
6)Rich Franklin (25-4, 1 NC)
7)Keith Jardine (14-5-1)
8 Wanderlei Silva (32-10-1, 1 NC)
9) Tito Ortiz (15-6-1)
10) Thiago Silva (13-1)
Machida is one scary dude...not the most exciting fighter because he doesnt push the pace but when he explodes he looks amazing...
Middleweight:
1)Anderson Silva (24-4)
2) Yushin Okami (23-4
3) Dan Henderson (24-7)
4) Nate Marquardt (28-8-2)
5) Demian Maia (10-0)
6) Thales Leites (14-2)
7)Jorge Santiago (21-7)
8 )Vitor Belfort (18-8 )
9)Nick Diaz (20-7, 1 NC
10)Robbie Lawler (16-5, 1 NC)
Anderson silva is the king of the middleweights and maby soon he will go for the LHW gold...
Welterweight:
1) Georges St. Pierre (18-2)
2) Thiago Alves (16-3)
3)Jon Fitch (18-3, 1 NC)
4)Jake Shields (23-4-1)
5) Martin Kampmann (15-2)
6)Karo Parisyan (18-5, 1 NC)
7) Mike Swick (14-2)
8 )Matt Hughes (43-7)
9)Paulo Thiago (11-0)
10) Josh Koscheck (12-4)
St Pierre Is on a whole other lvl when he trains hard and thats why i think he is gonna be champ for a long time...

Lightweight: (your really not gonna like this one)
1)Shinya Aoki (20-4, 1 NC)
2) Eddie Alvarez (17-2)
3)B.J. Penn (13-5-1)
4) Joachim Hansen (19-7-1)
5)Kenny Florian (11-3)
6)Satoru Kitaoka (25-8-9)
7)Gray Maynard (7-0, 1 NC)
8 )Diago Sanchez (23-2)
9)Frankie Edgar (10-1)
10) Sean Sherk (33-4-1)
Everyone loves Bj Penn but the fact is he went 4-4 in his last 8 fights...Shinya Aoki is one of the most exciting dudes in the sport and I think he would beat BJ Penn if he ever came to UFC...

Here what I think are the rankings within the UFC:

Heavyweight
1. Brock Lesnar
2. Frank Mir
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. Randy Couture
5. Cain Valasquez
6. Shane Carwin
7. Cheick Kongo
8. Gabriel Gonzaga
9. Heath Herring
10. Junior Dos Santos

Light Heavyweight
1. Lyoto Machida
2. Rashad Evans
3. Quinton Jackson
4. Forrest Griffin
5. Mauricio Rua
6. Rich Franklin
7. Wanderlei Silva
8. Keith Jardine
9. Thiago Silva
10. Jon Jones

Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Yushin Okami
4. Nate Marquardt
5. Demian Maia
6. Michael Bisping
7. Patrick Cote
8. Kendall Grove
9. Ricardo Almieda
10. Chris Leben

Welterweight
1. George St. Pierre
2. Thiago Alves
3. Jon Fitch
4. Martin Kampmann
5. Mike Swick
6. Josh Koscheck
7. Matt Hughes
8. Matt Serra
9. Carlos Condit
10. Paulo Thiago

Lightweight
1. BJ Penn
2. Kenny Florian
3. Diego Sanchez
4. Joe Stevenson
5. Frankie Edgar
6. Tyson Griffin
7. Sean Sherk
8. Clay Guida
9. Hermes Franca
10. Gray Maynard

But how?

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Gray Maynard below Frankie Edgar, Gray beat Frankie already and should be placed ahead of Frankie.

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Operation_Meth_Squash

I wonder, if I am the only one, who thinks that Alves will upset GSP in the main event at UFC 100.

actually I know quite a few ppl who believe that too. My bro is one of them.

[Nassiral]

I don't think Alves will get a win, and if he does it'll be the kind of upset decision that will anger fans.
Alves is a strong striker, but isn't one to win on the ground. He managed to avoid getting tangled up and beaten by an aging Matt Hughes when he fought him...but if Alves couldn't put Koscheck away in 3 rounds without it going to decision, I don't think he has what it takes to beat St. Pierre. GSP is in his prime right now, and I don't think Alves will take him down. GSP has too well rounded talents to be dominated in one way or another.

Besides that...to call this the main event and not refer to the Lesnar-Mir rematch as the main event is ludicrous. This fight will be insane, with each of these guys looking to make a huge statement in their fight. Lesnar beating Mir (which I expect to happen) will cement him as the beast of that weight class, while Mir wants to prove he is the champ by beating Lesnar a second time.
I'm putting my money on Lesnar. His standup is phenomenal for someone with a background in wrestling, and we really haven't seen at all what kind of training he's been doing in the ground game. The Couture fight stayed in striking, and it's been 8 months since that fight...who knows what he ground game is going to be like if Mir tries to go for another submission win.

As far as Henderson and Bisping? No idea on that one. I like watching Bisping fight a lot, and I remember him having the best technique of TUF 3, but Henderson sure as hell is no joke. It'll be a good fight.