The Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread - New Rankings

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Are you really bringing this up a month after the fight?

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Are you really bringing this up a month after the fight?

You know, hilarious that you'd chime in and continue the vein of discussion.

And yeah, I hadn't checked back into the thread.

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[baka_boy1221]

So who watched the Machida/Evans fight. Good eh?

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Probably one of the best main event fights we've had for a while outside of 97.

[baka_boy1221]

True, and there is more to come. There are going to some good fights in the next coming months. Fighters are coming in or returning (Caol Uno, Mikro Cro Cop, Yoshihiro Akiyama), titles are on the line (GSP v Alves, Lesnar v Mir, Penn v Florian), and those fantasy fights that we always wanted (Franklin v Silva, Griffin v Silva, Bisping v Henderson). It is going to be a good year.

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History of Mixed Martial Arts

Foundation of Mixed Martial Arts

While different forms of unorganized, no-rules, unarmed combat predate history, civilization, and even the human species itself (even apes fight hand-to-hand), the earliest documented, organized, minimal-rules fighting event was the ancient Greek pankration, which was introduced into the Olympic Games in 648 B.C. Greek pankration later inspired the more violent Etruscan and Roman pancratium, an event showcased at the Roman Colosseum. Even as late as the Early Middle Ages, statues were put up in Rome and other cities to honour remarkable pankratiasts of Rome.

No-holds-barred events reportedly took place in the late 1800s when wrestlers representing a huge range of fighting styles, including various catch wrestling styles, Greco-Roman wrestling and many others met in tournaments and music-hall challenge matches throughout Europe. In the USA the first major encounter between a boxer and a wrestler in modern times took place in 1887 when John L. Sullivan, then heavyweight world boxing champion, entered the ring with his trainer, Greco-Roman wrestling champion William Muldoon, and was slammed to the mat in two minutes. The next publicized encounter occurred in the late 1890s when future heavyweight boxing champion Bob Fitzsimmons took on European Greco-Roman wrestling champion Ernest Roeber. Reportedly, Roeber suffered a fractured cheekbone in this bout, but was able to get Fitzsimmons down on the mat, where he applied an armlock and made the boxer submit. In Europe, around the 19th century, the Italian Giovanni Raicevich, skilled in Greco-Roman wrestling defeated Akitaro Ono, a Japanese heavyweight fighter skilled in Jujutsu, Judo, and Sumo, throwing him on the mat by one-arm shoulder throw. In 1936, heavyweight boxing contender Kingfish Levinsky and veteran professional wrestler Ray Steele competed in a mixed match, which Steele won in 35 seconds. Another early example of mixed martial arts combat was the martial art of Bartitsu, founded in London in 1899, which was the first martial art known to have combined Asian and European fighting styles, and which saw MMA-style contests throughout England, pitting European and Japanese champions against representatives of various European wrestling styles.

Mixed style contests such as boxing vs. jujutsu were popular entertainment throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s. In Japan these contests were known as merikan, from the Japanese slang for "American [fighting]". Merikan contests were fought under a variety of rules including points decision, best of three throws or knockdowns, and victory via knockout or submission.

Professional wrestling died out after World War I and was reborn in two streams: "shoot", in which the fighters actually competed, and "show," which evolved into modern professional wrestling.

In the late 1960s to early 1970s the concept of combining the elements of multiple martial arts had was popularized in America by Bruce Lee via his system and philosophy of Jeet Kune Do. Lee believed that "the best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style." In 2004 UFC President Dana White would call Lee the "father of mixed martial arts."

The Gracie Family and MMA

The history of modern MMA competition can be traced to mixed style contests throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s; the Gracie family's vale tudo martial arts tournaments in Brazil starting in the 1920s; and early mixed martial arts matches (known as Kakutougi in Japan) hosted by Antonio Inoki in Japan in the 1970s. The sport gained international exposure and widespread publicity in the United States in 1993, when Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighter Royce Gracie handily won the first Ultimate Fighting Championship tournament, subduing three challengers in just five minutes, sparking a revolution in the martial arts. Meanwhile in Japan the continued interest in the sport resulted in the creation of the Pride Fighting Championships in 1997.

The movement that led to the creation of the UFC, and Pride was rooted in two interconnected subcultures. First were the vale tudo events in Brazil, followed by the Japanese shoot wrestling shows. Vale tudo began in the 1920s with the "Gracie challenge" issued by Carlos Gracie and Hélio Gracie and upheld later on by descendants of the Gracie family. In Japan in the 1970s, a series of mixed martial arts matches were hosted by Antonio Inoki, a former star of New Japan Pro Wrestling; this inspired the shoot-style movement in Japanese professional wrestling, which eventually led to the formation of the first mixed martial arts organizations, such as Shooto, which was formed in 1985.

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History of Mixed Martial Arts

Foundation of Mixed Martial Arts

While different forms of unorganized, no-rules, unarmed combat predate history, civilization, and even the human species itself (even apes fight hand-to-hand), the earliest documented, organized, minimal-rules fighting event was the ancient Greek pankration, which was introduced into the Olympic Games in 648 B.C. Greek pankration later inspired the more violent Etruscan and Roman pancratium, an event showcased at the Roman Colosseum. Even as late as the Early Middle Ages, statues were put up in Rome and other cities to honour remarkable pankratiasts of Rome.

No-holds-barred events reportedly took place in the late 1800s when wrestlers representing a huge range of fighting styles, including various catch wrestling styles, Greco-Roman wrestling and many others met in tournaments and music-hall challenge matches throughout Europe. In the USA the first major encounter between a boxer and a wrestler in modern times took place in 1887 when John L. Sullivan, then heavyweight world boxing champion, entered the ring with his trainer, Greco-Roman wrestling champion William Muldoon, and was slammed to the mat in two minutes. The next publicized encounter occurred in the late 1890s when future heavyweight boxing champion Bob Fitzsimmons took on European Greco-Roman wrestling champion Ernest Roeber. Reportedly, Roeber suffered a fractured cheekbone in this bout, but was able to get Fitzsimmons down on the mat, where he applied an armlock and made the boxer submit. In Europe, around the 19th century, the Italian Giovanni Raicevich, skilled in Greco-Roman wrestling defeated Akitaro Ono, a Japanese heavyweight fighter skilled in Jujutsu, Judo, and Sumo, throwing him on the mat by one-arm shoulder throw. In 1936, heavyweight boxing contender Kingfish Levinsky and veteran professional wrestler Ray Steele competed in a mixed match, which Steele won in 35 seconds. Another early example of mixed martial arts combat was the martial art of Bartitsu, founded in London in 1899, which was the first martial art known to have combined Asian and European fighting styles, and which saw MMA-style contests throughout England, pitting European and Japanese champions against representatives of various European wrestling styles.

Mixed style contests such as boxing vs. jujutsu were popular entertainment throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s. In Japan these contests were known as merikan, from the Japanese slang for "American [fighting]". Merikan contests were fought under a variety of rules including points decision, best of three throws or knockdowns, and victory via knockout or submission.

Professional wrestling died out after World War I and was reborn in two streams: "shoot", in which the fighters actually competed, and "show," which evolved into modern professional wrestling.

In the late 1960s to early 1970s the concept of combining the elements of multiple martial arts had was popularized in America by Bruce Lee via his system and philosophy of Jeet Kune Do. Lee believed that "the best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style." In 2004 UFC President Dana White would call Lee the "father of mixed martial arts."

The Gracie Family and MMA

The history of modern MMA competition can be traced to mixed style contests throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s; the Gracie family's vale tudo martial arts tournaments in Brazil starting in the 1920s; and early mixed martial arts matches (known as Kakutougi in Japan) hosted by Antonio Inoki in Japan in the 1970s. The sport gained international exposure and widespread publicity in the United States in 1993, when Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighter Royce Gracie handily won the first Ultimate Fighting Championship tournament, subduing three challengers in just five minutes, sparking a revolution in the martial arts. Meanwhile in Japan the continued interest in the sport resulted in the creation of the Pride Fighting Championships in 1997.

The movement that led to the creation of the UFC, and Pride was rooted in two interconnected subcultures. First were the vale tudo events in Brazil, followed by the Japanese shoot wrestling shows. Vale tudo began in the 1920s with the "Gracie challenge" issued by Carlos Gracie and Hélio Gracie and upheld later on by descendants of the Gracie family. In Japan in the 1970s, a series of mixed martial arts matches were hosted by Antonio Inoki, a former star of New Japan Pro Wrestling; this inspired the shoot-style movement in Japanese professional wrestling, which eventually led to the formation of the first mixed martial arts organizations, such as Shooto, which was formed in 1985.

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Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields
Main Card
Catchweight 182lb bout: Robbie Lawler vs. Jake Shields
Shields defeated Lawler via submission (guillotine choke) at 2:02 of round 1.
Heavyweight bout: Andrei Arlovski vs. Brett Rogers
Rogers defeated Arlovski via KO (punches) at 0:22 of round 1.
Catchweight 180lb bout: Nick Diaz vs. Scott Smith
Diaz defeated Smith via submission (rear naked choke) at 1:41 of round 3.
Welterweight bout: Phil Baroni vs. Joe Riggs
Riggs defeated Baroni via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27).
Light Heavyweight bout: Kevin Randleman vs. Mike Whitehead
Whitehead defeated Randleman via unanimous decision [29-28, 29-28, 29-28]
Under Card
Catchweight 175lb bout: Jesse Finney vs. Josh Bumgarner
Finney defeated Bumgarner via submission (kimura) at 1:55 of round 1.
Light Heavyweight bout: Rafael Cavalcante vs. Mike Kyle
Kyle defeated Cavalcante via KO (punches) at 4:05 of round 2.
Light Heavyweight bout: Booker DeRousse vs. James Wade
DeRousse defeated Wade via TKO (punches) at 4:06 of round 1.
Welterweight bout: Tyron Woodley vs. Salvoder Woods
Woodley defeated Woods via submission (arm triangle choke) at 4:20 of round 1.
Middleweight bout: Scott Ventimiglia vs. Lucas Lopes
Lopes defeated Ventimiglia via disqualification (illegal knee) at 3:26 of round 1.
Lightweight bout: Pat Benson vs. Dave Cochran
Benson defeated Cochran via submission (armbar) at 2:42 of round 1.

WEC 41
Main Card
Featherweight Championship bout: Mike Brown vs. Urijah Faber
Brown defeated Faber via unanimous decision (49-46 ,49-46 ,48-47) to retain the WEC Featherweight Championship.
Featherweight bout: Jose Aldo vs. Cub Swanson
Aldo defeated Swanson via TKO (flying knee and punches) at 0:08 of round 1.
Lightweight bout: Donald Cerrone vs. James Krause
Cerrone defeated Krause via submission (rear naked choke) at 4:38 of round 1.
Featherweight bout: Jens Pulver vs. Josh Grispi
Grispi defeated Pulver via submission (guillotine choke) at 0:33 of round 1.
Featherweight bout: Manny Gamburyan vs. John Franchi
Gamburyan defeated Franchi via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27).
Undercard Bouts
Bantamweight Bout: Rafael Rebello vs. Kyle Dietz
Rebello defeated Dietz via submission (rear naked choke) at 2:55 of round 1.
Bantamweight bout: Mike Campbell vs. Anthony Pettis
Pettis defeated Campbell via submission (triangle choke) at 1:49 of round 1.
Bantamweight Bout: Scott Jorgensen vs. Antonio Banuelos
Banuelos defeated Jorgensen via split decision [29-28, 28-29, 29-28]
Bantamweight Bout: Frank Gomez vs. Noah Thomas
Gomez defeated Thomas via submission (arm triangle choke) at 3:12 of round 2.
Bantamweight Bout: Rolando Perez vs. Seth Dikun
Dikun defeated Perez via submission (flying triangle choke) at 2:30 of round 1.

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So who watched the Machida/Evans fight. Good eh?

man i have no idea who is gonna be able to beat Machida now. Even though the light heavyweight devision is stacked i cant picture anyone beating him. Maybe if Anderson Silva moves up but i think Machida and Silva train with each other so that'll be wierd.

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History of Mixed Martial Arts

Foundation of Mixed Martial Arts

While different forms of unorganized, no-rules, unarmed combat predate history, civilization, and even the human species itself (even apes fight hand-to-hand), the earliest documented, organized, minimal-rules fighting event was the ancient Greek pankration, which was introduced into the Olympic Games in 648 B.C. Greek pankration later inspired the more violent Etruscan and Roman pancratium, an event showcased at the Roman Colosseum. Even as late as the Early Middle Ages, statues were put up in Rome and other cities to honour remarkable pankratiasts of Rome.

No-holds-barred events reportedly took place in the late 1800s when wrestlers representing a huge range of fighting styles, including various catch wrestling styles, Greco-Roman wrestling and many others met in tournaments and music-hall challenge matches throughout Europe. In the USA the first major encounter between a boxer and a wrestler in modern times took place in 1887 when John L. Sullivan, then heavyweight world boxing champion, entered the ring with his trainer, Greco-Roman wrestling champion William Muldoon, and was slammed to the mat in two minutes. The next publicized encounter occurred in the late 1890s when future heavyweight boxing champion Bob Fitzsimmons took on European Greco-Roman wrestling champion Ernest Roeber. Reportedly, Roeber suffered a fractured cheekbone in this bout, but was able to get Fitzsimmons down on the mat, where he applied an armlock and made the boxer submit. In Europe, around the 19th century, the Italian Giovanni Raicevich, skilled in Greco-Roman wrestling defeated Akitaro Ono, a Japanese heavyweight fighter skilled in Jujutsu, Judo, and Sumo, throwing him on the mat by one-arm shoulder throw. In 1936, heavyweight boxing contender Kingfish Levinsky and veteran professional wrestler Ray Steele competed in a mixed match, which Steele won in 35 seconds. Another early example of mixed martial arts combat was the martial art of Bartitsu, founded in London in 1899, which was the first martial art known to have combined Asian and European fighting styles, and which saw MMA-style contests throughout England, pitting European and Japanese champions against representatives of various European wrestling styles.

Mixed style contests such as boxing vs. jujutsu were popular entertainment throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s. In Japan these contests were known as merikan, from the Japanese slang for "American [fighting]". Merikan contests were fought under a variety of rules including points decision, best of three throws or knockdowns, and victory via knockout or submission.

Professional wrestling died out after World War I and was reborn in two streams: "shoot", in which the fighters actually competed, and "show," which evolved into modern professional wrestling.

In the late 1960s to early 1970s the concept of combining the elements of multiple martial arts had was popularized in America by Bruce Lee via his system and philosophy of Jeet Kune Do. Lee believed that "the best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style." In 2004 UFC President Dana White would call Lee the "father of mixed martial arts."

The Gracie Family and MMA

The history of modern MMA competition can be traced to mixed style contests throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s; the Gracie family's vale tudo martial arts tournaments in Brazil starting in the 1920s; and early mixed martial arts matches (known as Kakutougi in Japan) hosted by Antonio Inoki in Japan in the 1970s. The sport gained international exposure and widespread publicity in the United States in 1993, when Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighter Royce Gracie handily won the first Ultimate Fighting Championship tournament, subduing three challengers in just five minutes, sparking a revolution in the martial arts. Meanwhile in Japan the continued interest in the sport resulted in the creation of the Pride Fighting Championships in 1997.

The movement that led to the creation of the UFC, and Pride was rooted in two interconnected subcultures. First were the vale tudo events in Brazil, followed by the Japanese shoot wrestling shows. Vale tudo began in the 1920s with the "Gracie challenge" issued by Carlos Gracie and Hélio Gracie and upheld later on by descendants of the Gracie family. In Japan in the 1970s, a series of mixed martial arts matches were hosted by Antonio Inoki, a former star of New Japan Pro Wrestling; this inspired the shoot-style movement in Japanese professional wrestling, which eventually led to the formation of the first mixed martial arts organizations, such as Shooto, which was formed in 1985.

thats awesome. You got pankration and you talked about pride and everything. But the only thing that wasn't mention was the Russian Sambo........or maybe i just missed it.

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Well, I wanted to actually discuss where MMA originated from, not what has branched off of it. For example jiu-jutsu is identical in many ways to sambo.

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So UFC 99 coming up ... there are some interesting match ups to look at ... beside just the main event. We got Velasquez v Kongo, then we got the return of Mikro Cro Cop. There's Swick v Saunders and Davis v Harding. Not to mention Caol Uno is coming back. This is going to be a good card.

Here are my predictions:
Franklin > Silva
Franklin probably ha the crisper of the striking, but Wanderlei is dangerous. As long as Franklin doesn't stay in the pocket, he'll be fine.
Velasquez > Kongo
Velasquez has the advandtage on the ground definitely, but Kongo takedown defense is getting better and better. Kongo does have the advantage standing up. Velasquez will need to close range and take him down and beat him up to get the "W"
Swick > Saunders
Swick is a bit faster. He also has a solid ground game and a good chin. Same goes for Saunders though. But I believe that Swick will win due to the fact that he has fought some of big competition, while Saunders hasn't.
Davis > Harding
Davis has the advantage on the feet, on the ground, and he has the best chins in the game. He also has a wealth of experience. And then there's the bad blood. Harding is good, but he is not that good.
Cro Cop > Al Turk
Cro Cop, if he is right in the head, will just blow through Al Turk
Uno > Fisher
Uno is coming back after fighting some of the best in the world in Japan. Fisher may have some ring rust, but it shouldn't really effect him. Uno should probably take Fisher down and sink in his famous RNC. Otherwise I give the advantage on the feet to Fisher ... just by a little bit ...