The Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread - New Rankings

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You see that Miller is going to be fighting Chonnen? Chonnen needs this or else I believe he'll be forever exiled to Strikeforce.

Definitely. Oh yeah they are going to have Marquardt and Maia fight. That is going to be a fight. What are your predictions there. Same with Hughes v Serra, tell me who got has the advantage in standing, ground, mental, and heart.

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Well, I think Marquardt has the advantage standing up. He beat Wilson up pretty good, handled Leites, even though he was given that bullshit point deduction and lost because of it and totally took Kampmann apart. On the ground, no questions asked Maia has the advantage technically, but Marquardt is big and has not been submitted in five years, he can possibly avoid the submissions and take it to Maia. The last guy to submit Marquardt was Almeida and he's just as good as Maia if not better on the ground, so it is hard to tell if the ground game is going to be a factor or if Maia will just pull guard. Mentally, I think Marquardt is where it's at. He's faced the champ, lost and has been on a tear in the MW division only losing to Leites in a split decision he should have won unanimously. Maia has faced very good competition as well but I do not think he'll have the game plan Marquardt does training with Greg Jackson. Heart wise, I say Marquardt again. He was the champ of Pancrase, lost it and came back to win it again, he's definitely the guy to look out for especially after this fight. I think this fight will determine Anderson's opponent after Bisping/Henderson, if they don't lose their following fight.

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Well, I think Marquardt has the advantage standing up. He beat Wilson up pretty good, handled Leites, even though he was given that bullshit point deduction and lost because of it and totally took Kampmann apart. On the ground, no questions asked Maia has the advantage technically, but Marquardt is big and has not been submitted in five years, he can possibly avoid the submissions and take it to Maia. The last guy to submit Marquardt was Almeida and he's just as good as Maia if not better on the ground, so it is hard to tell if the ground game is going to be a factor or if Maia will just pull guard. Mentally, I think Marquardt is where it's at. He's faced the champ, lost and has been on a tear in the MW division only losing to Leites in a split decision he should have won unanimously. Maia has faced very good competition as well but I do not think he'll have the game plan Marquardt does training with Greg Jackson. Heart wise, I say Marquardt again. He was the champ of Pancrase, lost it and came back to win it again, he's definitely the guy to look out for especially after this fight. I think this fight will determine Anderson's opponent after Bisping/Henderson, if they don't lose their following fight.

I see your point. But then again, it is MMA, anything can happen.

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Go Go Pacman! What a ******** beast.

That was a left hand from hell.

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What do you think of Franklin vs Silva at UFC 99. It going to be good.

Same thing: who has the advantage in stand up, ground, mental, and heart.

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I think the technical stand up advantage would have to go to Franklin. He's just too smart and is constantly evolving his hands. On the ground I would have to say Wanderlei has an amazing guard and in a straight up BJJ match he'd win, but Rich has been training with Matt Hume who is a very good ground tactician and has probably prepared Rich very well. Mentally I'd say the advantage is for Wanderlei. He'll always have the advantage that way, he's always going to think he's going to win and Franklin has got to be concerned constantly about the explosiveness of Wanderlei as one shot from him could put Franklin to bed. Heart wise, once again Wanderlei, he's like the people's warrior, always willing to fight to his dying breath. I say Franklin takes it based off of technically sound countering and popping Wanderlei and wearing him out.

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I think the technical stand up advantage would have to go to Franklin. He's just too smart and is constantly evolving his hands. On the ground I would have to say Wanderlei has an amazing guard and in a straight up BJJ match he'd win, but Rich has been training with Matt Hume who is a very good ground tactician and has probably prepared Rich very well. Mentally I'd say the advantage is for Wanderlei. He'll always have the advantage that way, he's always going to think he's going to win and Franklin has got to be concerned constantly about the explosiveness of Wanderlei as one shot from him could put Franklin to bed. Heart wise, once again Wanderlei, he's like the people's warrior, always willing to fight to his dying breath. I say Franklin takes it based off of technically sound countering and popping Wanderlei and wearing him out.

Wanderlei is a beast, but he tends to leave himself open to counters (look at his fight with Rampage). I think Rich Franklin can take advantage of this. But Wanderlei is a veteran, more so than Franklin. I think what Franklin needs to worry about is Wanderlei muay thai clinch. He has shown weakness in the past in that position. We might find Wanderlei going for the clinch early. But then again you did say, Franklin is working with "The Wizard" Matt Hume and he is constantly evolving. We will just have to see what will happen in Germany.

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Something to notice however is that Wanderlei got taken out by guys who fight orthodox, while Rich Franklin is Southpaw. The left side of his head might have taken a lot of damage, so Rich's jab might be a key tool to success. Another thing to note is that Anderson is Southpaw and Lyoto can flawlessly go between the two, if Wanderlei came out southpaw we might see a different fight.

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Wow, like really.

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I kill giants

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What you are saying is that people are paid to entertain. That is not what their contract states and if Anderson wants to win by outpointing his opponents from now on then that is fine by me. He along with Machida are two of my favourite fighters and I am happy to see people engage in 'smart' fighting.

No, I'm not. You're using a strawman. What you're saying is that someone who plays at fighting but never actually engages his opponent, but throws these pseudo punches and kicks and runs away both in standing and ground should deserve to win on points.

Leites at least TRIED at SOME points to engage Anderson on the feet and TRIED (albeit weak attempts) at taking him down. Anderson silva did his little knee cap kick and flat out would stand up if it went to the ground. It has nothing to do with entertainment. It has A LOT to do with abusing the system. If he wants to fight that way, let him go fight in WTF TKD tournmanets where you get points for landing strikes and you never actually have to engage your opponent in actual combat.

If they do more to win the fight than by all means they deserve to win. If you don't do more than your opponent to convince the judges that you deserve to win then you deserve to lose. It's quite simple. Leites could have thrown 1,000,000 punches and if none of them landed on Anderson and Anderson kicked Leites six times and dodged punches all round then Anderson deserves to win. It's not his fault Leites could not land a finger on him, Anderson is the better striker and striking is not limited to dealing damage but avoiding it as well.

Fighting is not about stupid brawling that is so prevalent in up and coming promotions such as KotC and the defunct organizations such as EliteXC and Bodog, rather about engaging your opponent in an intelligent manner which sees you fight your opponent in way that limits the damage sustained and emulates the damage dealt. Machida is very successful at this, Anderson was as well, Rashad was against Liddell. Criticizing intelligent fighting only demonstrates to me that you lack any form of common sense or are simply a fan who wants to see KOs, quick one sided submissions and bloody TKOs. There are highlight reels for that.

It's just that people like seeing a good striking match. But true fans of mixed martial arts look at everything. If you don't like it, too bad. That's how MMA is. Anything can happen. One day someone could be KOing someone, the next they only win by decisions. It happens. So stop complaining about Leites this or Silva that. Unless you could read minds of fighters then don't say what you think they were thinking. You can't tell what fighter is thinking during a match. For all we know Leites could have been thinking about his kid, and Silva was thinking about breakfast. So stop bitching about someone's performance. It starting to get annonying.

I never said anything about what the fighter was thinking. Learn to read. Secondly, the fact that you jump on the same argument is kind of laughable, seeing as I never said anything about wanting to watch Silva knock anyone out. Hell, I didn't even say I wanted to see him engage specifically on the ground with Leites. I said Leites actually tried to fight while Silva tapped him in the leg and ran away, both STANDING and on the ground to eek out a decision. He didn't actively strike with Leites and demonstrate superior striking by avoiding combinations or effectively thwarting strikes, and mounting his own combos. He threw a few lazy punches, dicked around doing his cocky little leg kicks and the judges couldn't score Leites a win because Silva stalled for the win.

Stop riding nuts and learn to accept that a fighter isn't infallable. Go be butt-hurt elsewhere. I can say whatever the ******** I want about whoever I want. And I guess a good portion of the MMA community who have discussed this fight aren't "REAL MMA" fans because they dislike how Silva won the fight too, huh? Try again, kid.

Then why don't you stop bitching. And then we'll call it even.

Soon as you take A Silva's nuts out of your mouth.