The Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread - New Rankings

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I think Hughes is going to win this one. Matt Hughes was the most dominant champion the UFC has had, he has seven title defences with five of them being consecutive. Matt Hughes has a really good wrestling base and we saw what he did to Sean Sherk, who is an amazing wrestler at 155, the same weight Matt Serra was fighting at.

When it comes to striking I give the edge to Matt Serra. He has very clean, crisp striking as well as a lot of power in each hand. Matt Hughes is not dynamic in his striking at all, tends to square up and I think he will definitely eat a few good shots on his way to a takedown.

Once on the ground, it is more how much has Serra been able to recover from his injuries and his training for jiu jutsu. Obviously he is very skilled on the ground, but so is Matt Hughes. Matt has submitted tons of guys, has a decent ground and pound game and can stay heavy.

The only thing that nags me about Hughes is his fight against Sean Sherk where Sherk almost won, 48 - 47, and well Matt Serra is very hungry to win. If Hughes comes in focus and shuts down Serra he wins, if he comes in just to fight, Serra can pull it off.

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The role of a champion is to defend his belt and do enough to retain his belt at the end of the day. Nowhere in Anderson's contract does it say:

"You must go out there and knockout everyone and put yourself in harms way to entertain the crowd."

That is simply the promotion of human cockfighting. Anderson did exactly what he has to do, win the fight, he didn't need to punish Leites to do that, just pitter patter shots which allowed him to win by points. Expect more of the same unless he gets put into the position where his belt is actually in danger, such as the match against Nate Marquardt or the winner of Henderson and Bisping, where he'll be in far greater danger fighting Dan.

So basically if Leites hit Anderson a few times and ran away from him, refusing to engage him where he thought he might be in trouble, and he won on points he deserved to win the title?

No, it doesn't. It promotes the idea that a champion should actually be fighting to defend his belt. Since you know, they are fighters.

What you are saying is that people are paid to entertain. That is not what their contract states and if Anderson wants to win by outpointing his opponents from now on then that is fine by me. He along with Machida are two of my favourite fighters and I am happy to see people engage in 'smart' fighting.

No, I'm not. You're using a strawman. What you're saying is that someone who plays at fighting but never actually engages his opponent, but throws these pseudo punches and kicks and runs away both in standing and ground should deserve to win on points.

Leites at least TRIED at SOME points to engage Anderson on the feet and TRIED (albeit weak attempts) at taking him down. Anderson silva did his little knee cap kick and flat out would stand up if it went to the ground. It has nothing to do with entertainment. It has A LOT to do with abusing the system. If he wants to fight that way, let him go fight in WTF TKD tournmanets where you get points for landing strikes and you never actually have to engage your opponent in actual combat.

If they do more to win the fight than by all means they deserve to win. If you don't do more than your opponent to convince the judges that you deserve to win then you deserve to lose. It's quite simple. Leites could have thrown 1,000,000 punches and if none of them landed on Anderson and Anderson kicked Leites six times and dodged punches all round then Anderson deserves to win. It's not his fault Leites could not land a finger on him, Anderson is the better striker and striking is not limited to dealing damage but avoiding it as well.

Fighting is not about stupid brawling that is so prevalent in up and coming promotions such as KotC and the defunct organizations such as EliteXC and Bodog, rather about engaging your opponent in an intelligent manner which sees you fight your opponent in way that limits the damage sustained and emulates the damage dealt. Machida is very successful at this, Anderson was as well, Rashad was against Liddell. Criticizing intelligent fighting only demonstrates to me that you lack any form of common sense or are simply a fan who wants to see KOs, quick one sided submissions and bloody TKOs. There are highlight reels for that.

Right, of course, because judges clearly are infallible. Not to mention that the ONLY reason he won was because he ran. He didn't attack while standing and he didn't attack while on the ground. So basically what his win came down to was tapping his opponent a few times in the leg. And it's not his fault Leites didn't hit him. It's not Leties' fault that Anderson downright refused to attack him and won on points. Like I said, you want to see that? Go watch a TKD tournament. In fact, most combat sports have penalties for stalling like Silva did.

And the fact that you keep putting out straw man arguments that I'm not making makes it clear to me that you're a nut-rider who thinks that a fighter can do no wrong. You know Silva stalled and it has ******** to do with "entertainment" and a lot to do with stalling and praying for a decision after not actually having earned a win.

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The role of a champion is to defend his belt and do enough to retain his belt at the end of the day. Nowhere in Anderson's contract does it say:

"You must go out there and knockout everyone and put yourself in harms way to entertain the crowd."

That is simply the promotion of human cockfighting. Anderson did exactly what he has to do, win the fight, he didn't need to punish Leites to do that, just pitter patter shots which allowed him to win by points. Expect more of the same unless he gets put into the position where his belt is actually in danger, such as the match against Nate Marquardt or the winner of Henderson and Bisping, where he'll be in far greater danger fighting Dan.

So basically if Leites hit Anderson a few times and ran away from him, refusing to engage him where he thought he might be in trouble, and he won on points he deserved to win the title?

No, it doesn't. It promotes the idea that a champion should actually be fighting to defend his belt. Since you know, they are fighters.

What you are saying is that people are paid to entertain. That is not what their contract states and if Anderson wants to win by outpointing his opponents from now on then that is fine by me. He along with Machida are two of my favourite fighters and I am happy to see people engage in 'smart' fighting.

No, I'm not. You're using a strawman. What you're saying is that someone who plays at fighting but never actually engages his opponent, but throws these pseudo punches and kicks and runs away both in standing and ground should deserve to win on points.

Leites at least TRIED at SOME points to engage Anderson on the feet and TRIED (albeit weak attempts) at taking him down. Anderson silva did his little knee cap kick and flat out would stand up if it went to the ground. It has nothing to do with entertainment. It has A LOT to do with abusing the system. If he wants to fight that way, let him go fight in WTF TKD tournmanets where you get points for landing strikes and you never actually have to engage your opponent in actual combat.

If they do more to win the fight than by all means they deserve to win. If you don't do more than your opponent to convince the judges that you deserve to win then you deserve to lose. It's quite simple. Leites could have thrown 1,000,000 punches and if none of them landed on Anderson and Anderson kicked Leites six times and dodged punches all round then Anderson deserves to win. It's not his fault Leites could not land a finger on him, Anderson is the better striker and striking is not limited to dealing damage but avoiding it as well.

Fighting is not about stupid brawling that is so prevalent in up and coming promotions such as KotC and the defunct organizations such as EliteXC and Bodog, rather about engaging your opponent in an intelligent manner which sees you fight your opponent in way that limits the damage sustained and emulates the damage dealt. Machida is very successful at this, Anderson was as well, Rashad was against Liddell. Criticizing intelligent fighting only demonstrates to me that you lack any form of common sense or are simply a fan who wants to see KOs, quick one sided submissions and bloody TKOs. There are highlight reels for that.

It's just that people like seeing a good striking match. But true fans of mixed martial arts look at everything. If you don't like it, too bad. That's how MMA is. Anything can happen. One day someone could be KOing someone, the next they only win by decisions. It happens. So stop complaining about Leites this or Silva that. Unless you could read minds of fighters then don't say what you think they were thinking. You can't tell what fighter is thinking during a match. For all we know Leites could have been thinking about his kid, and Silva was thinking about breakfast. So stop bitching about someone's performance. It starting to get annonying.

I never said anything about what the fighter was thinking. Learn to read. Secondly, the fact that you jump on the same argument is kind of laughable, seeing as I never said anything about wanting to watch Silva knock anyone out. Hell, I didn't even say I wanted to see him engage specifically on the ground with Leites. I said Leites actually tried to fight while Silva tapped him in the leg and ran away, both STANDING and on the ground to eek out a decision. He didn't actively strike with Leites and demonstrate superior striking by avoiding combinations or effectively thwarting strikes, and mounting his own combos. He threw a few lazy punches, dicked around doing his cocky little leg kicks and the judges couldn't score Leites a win because Silva stalled for the win.

Stop riding nuts and learn to accept that a fighter isn't infallable. Go be butt-hurt elsewhere. I can say whatever the ******** I want about whoever I want. And I guess a good portion of the MMA community who have discussed this fight aren't "REAL MMA" fans because they dislike how Silva won the fight too, huh? Try again, kid.

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The role of a champion is to defend his belt and do enough to retain his belt at the end of the day. Nowhere in Anderson's contract does it say:

"You must go out there and knockout everyone and put yourself in harms way to entertain the crowd."

That is simply the promotion of human cockfighting. Anderson did exactly what he has to do, win the fight, he didn't need to punish Leites to do that, just pitter patter shots which allowed him to win by points. Expect more of the same unless he gets put into the position where his belt is actually in danger, such as the match against Nate Marquardt or the winner of Henderson and Bisping, where he'll be in far greater danger fighting Dan.

So basically if Leites hit Anderson a few times and ran away from him, refusing to engage him where he thought he might be in trouble, and he won on points he deserved to win the title?

No, it doesn't. It promotes the idea that a champion should actually be fighting to defend his belt. Since you know, they are fighters.

What you are saying is that people are paid to entertain. That is not what their contract states and if Anderson wants to win by outpointing his opponents from now on then that is fine by me. He along with Machida are two of my favourite fighters and I am happy to see people engage in 'smart' fighting.

No, I'm not. You're using a strawman. What you're saying is that someone who plays at fighting but never actually engages his opponent, but throws these pseudo punches and kicks and runs away both in standing and ground should deserve to win on points.

Leites at least TRIED at SOME points to engage Anderson on the feet and TRIED (albeit weak attempts) at taking him down. Anderson silva did his little knee cap kick and flat out would stand up if it went to the ground. It has nothing to do with entertainment. It has A LOT to do with abusing the system. If he wants to fight that way, let him go fight in WTF TKD tournmanets where you get points for landing strikes and you never actually have to engage your opponent in actual combat.

If they do more to win the fight than by all means they deserve to win. If you don't do more than your opponent to convince the judges that you deserve to win then you deserve to lose. It's quite simple. Leites could have thrown 1,000,000 punches and if none of them landed on Anderson and Anderson kicked Leites six times and dodged punches all round then Anderson deserves to win. It's not his fault Leites could not land a finger on him, Anderson is the better striker and striking is not limited to dealing damage but avoiding it as well.

Fighting is not about stupid brawling that is so prevalent in up and coming promotions such as KotC and the defunct organizations such as EliteXC and Bodog, rather about engaging your opponent in an intelligent manner which sees you fight your opponent in way that limits the damage sustained and emulates the damage dealt. Machida is very successful at this, Anderson was as well, Rashad was against Liddell. Criticizing intelligent fighting only demonstrates to me that you lack any form of common sense or are simply a fan who wants to see KOs, quick one sided submissions and bloody TKOs. There are highlight reels for that.

Right, of course, because judges clearly are infallible. Not to mention that the ONLY reason he won was because he ran. He didn't attack while standing and he didn't attack while on the ground. So basically what his win came down to was tapping his opponent a few times in the leg. And it's not his fault Leites didn't hit him. It's not Leties' fault that Anderson downright refused to attack him and won on points. Like I said, you want to see that? Go watch a TKD tournament. In fact, most combat sports have penalties for stalling like Silva did.

And the fact that you keep putting out straw man arguments that I'm not making makes it clear to me that you're a nut-rider who thinks that a fighter can do no wrong. You know Silva stalled and it has ******** to do with "entertainment" and a lot to do with stalling and praying for a decision after not actually having earned a win.

Judges have nothing to do with a fight like Anderson Silva's. If he clearly won on points, then he won. Silva has nothing to be upset about. Speaking of which, where did the judges even come up? Anderson Silva landed more jabs than cumulative strikes landed against him in all five rounds. Anderson landed more leg kicks than cumulative strikes landed against him. The side kick won him four rounds alone.

It is Anderson's fault that Leites didn't hit him, he was elusive and won. Anderson threw more than Leites and Leites couldn't do anything. All the power to Anderson, obviously training with Machida at Black House is working very well. I just watched the fight again and was even more impressed than the first time I watched it.

Oh and by the way, I am not a nut-rider, I believe a fighter can do wrong and that's when he loses.

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What you are saying is that people are paid to entertain. That is not what their contract states and if Anderson wants to win by outpointing his opponents from now on then that is fine by me. He along with Machida are two of my favourite fighters and I am happy to see people engage in 'smart' fighting.

No, I'm not. You're using a strawman. What you're saying is that someone who plays at fighting but never actually engages his opponent, but throws these pseudo punches and kicks and runs away both in standing and ground should deserve to win on points.

Leites at least TRIED at SOME points to engage Anderson on the feet and TRIED (albeit weak attempts) at taking him down. Anderson silva did his little knee cap kick and flat out would stand up if it went to the ground. It has nothing to do with entertainment. It has A LOT to do with abusing the system. If he wants to fight that way, let him go fight in WTF TKD tournmanets where you get points for landing strikes and you never actually have to engage your opponent in actual combat.

If they do more to win the fight than by all means they deserve to win. If you don't do more than your opponent to convince the judges that you deserve to win then you deserve to lose. It's quite simple. Leites could have thrown 1,000,000 punches and if none of them landed on Anderson and Anderson kicked Leites six times and dodged punches all round then Anderson deserves to win. It's not his fault Leites could not land a finger on him, Anderson is the better striker and striking is not limited to dealing damage but avoiding it as well.

Fighting is not about stupid brawling that is so prevalent in up and coming promotions such as KotC and the defunct organizations such as EliteXC and Bodog, rather about engaging your opponent in an intelligent manner which sees you fight your opponent in way that limits the damage sustained and emulates the damage dealt. Machida is very successful at this, Anderson was as well, Rashad was against Liddell. Criticizing intelligent fighting only demonstrates to me that you lack any form of common sense or are simply a fan who wants to see KOs, quick one sided submissions and bloody TKOs. There are highlight reels for that.

Right, of course, because judges clearly are infallible. Not to mention that the ONLY reason he won was because he ran. He didn't attack while standing and he didn't attack while on the ground. So basically what his win came down to was tapping his opponent a few times in the leg. And it's not his fault Leites didn't hit him. It's not Leties' fault that Anderson downright refused to attack him and won on points. Like I said, you want to see that? Go watch a TKD tournament. In fact, most combat sports have penalties for stalling like Silva did.

And the fact that you keep putting out straw man arguments that I'm not making makes it clear to me that you're a nut-rider who thinks that a fighter can do no wrong. You know Silva stalled and it has ******** to do with "entertainment" and a lot to do with stalling and praying for a decision after not actually having earned a win.

Judges have nothing to do with a fight like Anderson Silva's. If he clearly won on points, then he won. Silva has nothing to be upset about. Speaking of which, where did the judges even come up? Anderson Silva landed more jabs than cumulative strikes landed against him in all five rounds. Anderson landed more leg kicks than cumulative strikes landed against him. The side kick won him four rounds alone.

It is Anderson's fault that Leites didn't hit him, he was elusive and won. Anderson threw more than Leites and Leites couldn't do anything. All the power to Anderson, obviously training with Machida at Black House is working very well. I just watched the fight again and was even more impressed than the first time I watched it.

Oh and by the way, I am not a nut-rider, I believe a fighter can do wrong and that's when he loses.

Um, who do you think awards the points? The judges? And who says he's upset. All the articles I've read have him defending how he won. Doesn't mean everyone agrees that how he won was respectful. Not to mention the more I watch the fight, the more it seems he was being a cocky a*****e by "playing" with Leites using his kicks. Wandy is apparently the brunt of his cockiness as well as he's been saying he's knocked him out in training, so obviously that means he can beat him now.

Like I said, they awarded him the win because by the rules, he did win. Like I said, in most other combat sports, that would be considered stalling and he would have been deducted points. With the amount of times he did it he might've lost. Then by your logic, Leites would've been the better fighter, since you seem to agree unilaterally with the judges.

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This isn't another organization, it's the UFC. Get over it. No one would take away points from him for telling Leites to stand up. That's not stalling, that's called fighting smart. He is not obligated to follow Leites to the ground. Like I really don't see what you're trying to prove.

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This isn't another organization, it's the UFC. Get over it. No one would take away points from him for telling Leites to stand up. That's not stalling, that's called fighting smart. He is not obligated to follow Leites to the ground. Like I really don't see what you're trying to prove.

Get over the fact that A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK that Silva acted like a putz during that fight and didn't fight well at all to deserve the win. And yes, they actually would. Because he'd tell Leites to stand up and then d**k around not doing anything but his silly strikes.

And I wouldn't call it fighting smart at all. It's called STALLING for a win. Not to mention this s**t has happened before with Silva. Or are both Cote and Leites at fault?

I'm not trying to prove anything. You're the one getting butthurt over the fact that people don't like how Silva fought and GASP, that people think he could be in the wrong. You're basically trying to insinuate that anyone who disliked how Silva won is not a "true MMA fan" which is ridiculous. No one said they wanted a knockout. I would've been fine with the fight going to decision, as long as Silva had actually earned the win instead of tapping Leities a few times in the leg and acting cocky for five rounds until the judges awarded him a win based on what little he did.

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I never stated you needed to be a 'true' MMA fan to have enjoyed Silva's fight against Leites. You're simply assuming I said that because I happened to enjoy Silva's fight against Leites. Silva is not in the wrong in anything he did. He won his fight and that's what matters. He won a lopsided decision, that's the end result.

How did Silva not earn the win, he outstruck his opponent by close to one hundred strikes. He took no damage on the ground and controlled the location of the fight by only getting taken down once, while his opponent fell to his back constantly. The last time someone constantly fell to their back and tried that I don't want to stand bullshit was Nick Serra, who was penalized and given the loss because he'd refuse to stand up off his back. So in another organization, Leites would have lost as well. *gasps* What a shocker.

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What you are saying is that people are paid to entertain. That is not what their contract states and if Anderson wants to win by outpointing his opponents from now on then that is fine by me. He along with Machida are two of my favourite fighters and I am happy to see people engage in 'smart' fighting.

No, I'm not. You're using a strawman. What you're saying is that someone who plays at fighting but never actually engages his opponent, but throws these pseudo punches and kicks and runs away both in standing and ground should deserve to win on points.

Leites at least TRIED at SOME points to engage Anderson on the feet and TRIED (albeit weak attempts) at taking him down. Anderson silva did his little knee cap kick and flat out would stand up if it went to the ground. It has nothing to do with entertainment. It has A LOT to do with abusing the system. If he wants to fight that way, let him go fight in WTF TKD tournmanets where you get points for landing strikes and you never actually have to engage your opponent in actual combat.

If they do more to win the fight than by all means they deserve to win. If you don't do more than your opponent to convince the judges that you deserve to win then you deserve to lose. It's quite simple. Leites could have thrown 1,000,000 punches and if none of them landed on Anderson and Anderson kicked Leites six times and dodged punches all round then Anderson deserves to win. It's not his fault Leites could not land a finger on him, Anderson is the better striker and striking is not limited to dealing damage but avoiding it as well.

Fighting is not about stupid brawling that is so prevalent in up and coming promotions such as KotC and the defunct organizations such as EliteXC and Bodog, rather about engaging your opponent in an intelligent manner which sees you fight your opponent in way that limits the damage sustained and emulates the damage dealt. Machida is very successful at this, Anderson was as well, Rashad was against Liddell. Criticizing intelligent fighting only demonstrates to me that you lack any form of common sense or are simply a fan who wants to see KOs, quick one sided submissions and bloody TKOs. There are highlight reels for that.

It's just that people like seeing a good striking match. But true fans of mixed martial arts look at everything. If you don't like it, too bad. That's how MMA is. Anything can happen. One day someone could be KOing someone, the next they only win by decisions. It happens. So stop complaining about Leites this or Silva that. Unless you could read minds of fighters then don't say what you think they were thinking. You can't tell what fighter is thinking during a match. For all we know Leites could have been thinking about his kid, and Silva was thinking about breakfast. So stop bitching about someone's performance. It starting to get annonying.

I never said anything about what the fighter was thinking. Learn to read. Secondly, the fact that you jump on the same argument is kind of laughable, seeing as I never said anything about wanting to watch Silva knock anyone out. Hell, I didn't even say I wanted to see him engage specifically on the ground with Leites. I said Leites actually tried to fight while Silva tapped him in the leg and ran away, both STANDING and on the ground to eek out a decision. He didn't actively strike with Leites and demonstrate superior striking by avoiding combinations or effectively thwarting strikes, and mounting his own combos. He threw a few lazy punches, dicked around doing his cocky little leg kicks and the judges couldn't score Leites a win because Silva stalled for the win.

Stop riding nuts and learn to accept that a fighter isn't infallable. Go be butt-hurt elsewhere. I can say whatever the ******** I want about whoever I want. And I guess a good portion of the MMA community who have discussed this fight aren't "REAL MMA" fans because they dislike how Silva won the fight too, huh? Try again, kid.

Then why don't you stop bitching. And then we'll call it even.

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I think Hughes is going to win this one. Matt Hughes was the most dominant champion the UFC has had, he has seven title defences with five of them being consecutive. Matt Hughes has a really good wrestling base and we saw what he did to Sean Sherk, who is an amazing wrestler at 155, the same weight Matt Serra was fighting at.

When it comes to striking I give the edge to Matt Serra. He has very clean, crisp striking as well as a lot of power in each hand. Matt Hughes is not dynamic in his striking at all, tends to square up and I think he will definitely eat a few good shots on his way to a takedown.

Once on the ground, it is more how much has Serra been able to recover from his injuries and his training for jiu jutsu. Obviously he is very skilled on the ground, but so is Matt Hughes. Matt has submitted tons of guys, has a decent ground and pound game and can stay heavy.

The only thing that nags me about Hughes is his fight against Sean Sherk where Sherk almost won, 48 - 47, and well Matt Serra is very hungry to win. If Hughes comes in focus and shuts down Serra he wins, if he comes in just to fight, Serra can pull it off.

I see your point. What about the bad blood between these two. Beside the Ultimate Fighter, I think Serra hates the fact that Hughes beat Royce Gracie. That was kinda obvious during the Ultimate Fighter 4.

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Speaking of TUF 4, the one guy who I'd personally give all of my money to see Serra beat the s**t out of would be Marc Laimon.

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Speaking of TUF 4, the one guy who I'd personally give all of my money to see Serra beat the s**t out of would be Marc Laimon.

That might be fun to watch

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Well, I think it'd be pretty lopsided, Marc Laimon doesn't really train in anything besides BJJ and his striking is really sloppy. I'd say Serra would GnP him out.

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You see that Miller is going to be fighting Chonnen? Chonnen needs this or else I believe he'll be forever exiled to Strikeforce.