The Official Mixed Martial Arts Thread - New Rankings

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So at least Shogun won last night...

WAR SHOGUN!
Seriously, I was cheering when he tried for the heel hook.

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What a shitty UFC.

First of all, Matt Wiman got robbed.

Second of all, I've lost almost all respect for Anderson Silva.

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It was a good event. What happened in the main event is exactly what it should be for title fights. It's up to the challenger to make the case that he should hold the belt, not the title holder. If the title holder does just enough to win then all the power to him.

[Keyboard Warrior]

Anyone hear this silly notion about Anderson Silva wanting to box Roy Jones Jr.? I mean, really? Silva is a great over-all fighter...but does he really think that his boxing skills are up to par with a pro such as Jones?

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I have heard about it and when it comes to his contract expiring I am sure Jones Jr. will pursue it so he can make a ton of money. Anderson would probably get wrecked, I don't think his hand speed is as fast as Jones's by any stretch of the imagination but I will state that Anderson is an unpredictable and creative striker who could do very well in boxing.

[Keyboard Warrior]

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I have heard about it and when it comes to his contract expiring I am sure Jones Jr. will pursue it so he can make a ton of money. Anderson would probably get wrecked, I don't think his hand speed is as fast as Jones's by any stretch of the imagination but I will state that Anderson is an unpredictable and creative striker who could do very well in boxing.

Yeah, but up to pro level standards?

I'm still waiting for Mayweather to try his hands(pun intended) at MMA....though I'm sure that will NEVER happen. I just want to see that big mouth get smashed on, really.

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It was a good event. What happened in the main event is exactly what it should be for title fights. It's up to the challenger to make the case that he should hold the belt, not the title holder. If the title holder does just enough to win then all the power to him.

What, so a champion should always stall and perform a standing version of lay and pray?

All of Joe Rogan's crap about wanting fast food fighting is bullshit. I'm not upset that the fight wasn't "exciting". I was upset that the only reason Anderson Silva won was that he refused to the go to the ground despite supposedly being a BJJ black belt and stalled on his feet. He had Leites in positions where he could've easily KOed him. Bottom line is he didn't want to put himself at risk for a flash knockout and possibly not win. He stalled the entire fight to win on points. Doesn't seem like how a champion would fight, but that's just me.

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Keyboard Warrior

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I have heard about it and when it comes to his contract expiring I am sure Jones Jr. will pursue it so he can make a ton of money. Anderson would probably get wrecked, I don't think his hand speed is as fast as Jones's by any stretch of the imagination but I will state that Anderson is an unpredictable and creative striker who could do very well in boxing.

Yeah, but up to pro level standards?

I'm still waiting for Mayweather to try his hands(pun intended) at MMA....though I'm sure that will NEVER happen. I just want to see that big mouth get smashed on, really.

I wouldn't hold my breath for it. Mayweather won't pursue something where he can and almost certainly will be humiliated and crushed.

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The role of a champion is to defend his belt and do enough to retain his belt at the end of the day. Nowhere in Anderson's contract does it say:

"You must go out there and knockout everyone and put yourself in harms way to entertain the crowd."

That is simply the promotion of human cockfighting. Anderson did exactly what he has to do, win the fight, he didn't need to punish Leites to do that, just pitter patter shots which allowed him to win by points. Expect more of the same unless he gets put into the position where his belt is actually in danger, such as the match against Nate Marquardt or the winner of Henderson and Bisping, where he'll be in far greater danger fighting Dan.

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The role of a champion is to defend his belt and do enough to retain his belt at the end of the day. Nowhere in Anderson's contract does it say:

"You must go out there and knockout everyone and put yourself in harms way to entertain the crowd."

That is simply the promotion of human cockfighting. Anderson did exactly what he has to do, win the fight, he didn't need to punish Leites to do that, just pitter patter shots which allowed him to win by points. Expect more of the same unless he gets put into the position where his belt is actually in danger, such as the match against Nate Marquardt or the winner of Henderson and Bisping, where he'll be in far greater danger fighting Dan.

So basically if Leites hit Anderson a few times and ran away from him, refusing to engage him where he thought he might be in trouble, and he won on points he deserved to win the title?

No, it doesn't. It promotes the idea that a champion should actually be fighting to defend his belt. Since you know, they are fighters.

[Noir33]

Ah... my eye's are sore with the BS the sherdog forum is spewing.

First things first, Shogun's performance were amazing. Fluid foot work, crisp punches and kicks, defense was superb, TD was setup perfectly with that right (and nearly locked that heel hook), and more importantly, he wasn't tentative that night. He kept going not showing sign of fatigue, even though it only took 1 round, and unleash a semblance of his old form. Now, if he keep this up for his next fight, I can see him challenging for the title by the time Rampage vs. Machida/Evans is over. Jardine is probably a logical choice for his next fight but we all know how UFC setup their fights....

Which brings me to my next point...

Anderson vs. Leites was a disaster the moment they announced the fight. Everyone was questioning why the ******** was Leites' name next to Anderson. UFC/Dana tried to justify it by saying Anderson's weakness is the ground game. So, are we to think that Leites is a legitimate threat? Hell no! Leites is definitely a skilled BJJ artist, but he is not a fighter in A.Silva's caliber. How highly was he ranked when this fight was announced? 7,8,9,10,11...15? Mind you, this was also the time Dana was spreading Anderson is #1 P4P s**t talk.

So the next question is, why didn't Anderson finish the fight early if Leites' not that skillful? This I have no answer for because simply, I am not Anderson Silva. It could be due to personal, physical, political, or even mental reasons but the fact is, he won. I don't agree with the method he used, but he won.

Would somebody with superior striking go to the ground willingly to finish the fight early? I firmly believe that yes, it is their duty to do so. It is probably a "fighter etiquette" to punish the person in front of you until he can no longer continue. It is normal in boxing, muay thai, and any competitive sport. It is also a sign of respect to your opponent believe it or not. Anderson made a fool out of Leites, and to me, rather than it made Leites looked bad it made Anderson look disrespectful.

"Anderson embodies the martial art spirit" - Joe Rogan. UFC commentator

Side note: Cheik Kongo should stop fighting opponents tailor made for him. It's time for top competition...

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I kill giants

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The role of a champion is to defend his belt and do enough to retain his belt at the end of the day. Nowhere in Anderson's contract does it say:

"You must go out there and knockout everyone and put yourself in harms way to entertain the crowd."

That is simply the promotion of human cockfighting. Anderson did exactly what he has to do, win the fight, he didn't need to punish Leites to do that, just pitter patter shots which allowed him to win by points. Expect more of the same unless he gets put into the position where his belt is actually in danger, such as the match against Nate Marquardt or the winner of Henderson and Bisping, where he'll be in far greater danger fighting Dan.

So basically if Leites hit Anderson a few times and ran away from him, refusing to engage him where he thought he might be in trouble, and he won on points he deserved to win the title?

No, it doesn't. It promotes the idea that a champion should actually be fighting to defend his belt. Since you know, they are fighters.

What you are saying is that people are paid to entertain. That is not what their contract states and if Anderson wants to win by outpointing his opponents from now on then that is fine by me. He along with Machida are two of my favourite fighters and I am happy to see people engage in 'smart' fighting.

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Noir33

Ah... my eye's are sore with the BS the sherdog forum is spewing.

First things first, Shogun's performance were amazing. Fluid foot work, crisp punches and kicks, defense was superb, TD was setup perfectly with that right (and nearly locked that heel hook), and more importantly, he wasn't tentative that night. He kept going not showing sign of fatigue, even though it only took 1 round, and unleash a semblance of his old form. Now, if he keep this up for his next fight, I can see him challenging for the title by the time Rampage vs. Machida/Evans is over. Jardine is probably a logical choice for his next fight but we all know how UFC setup their fights....

Which brings me to my next point...

Anderson vs. Leites was a disaster the moment they announced the fight. Everyone was questioning why the ******** was Leites' name next to Anderson. UFC/Dana tried to justify it by saying Anderson's weakness is the ground game. So, are we to think that Leites is a legitimate threat? Hell no! Leites is definitely a skilled BJJ artist, but he is not a fighter in A.Silva's caliber. How highly was he ranked when this fight was announced? 7,8,9,10,11...15? Mind you, this was also the time Dana was spreading Anderson is #1 P4P s**t talk.

So the next question is, why didn't Anderson finish the fight early if Leites' not that skillful? This I have no answer for because simply, I am not Anderson Silva. It could be due to personal, physical, political, or even mental reasons but the fact is, he won. I don't agree with the method he used, but he won.

Would somebody with superior striking go to the ground willingly to finish the fight early? I firmly believe that yes, it is their duty to do so. It is probably a "fighter etiquette" to punish the person in front of you until he can no longer continue. It is normal in boxing, muay thai, and any competitive sport. It is also a sign of respect to your opponent believe it or not. Anderson made a fool out of Leites, and to me, rather than it made Leites looked bad it made Anderson look disrespectful.

"Anderson embodies the martial art spirit" - Joe Rogan. UFC commentator

Side note: Cheik Kongo should stop fighting opponents tailor made for him. It's time for top competition...

Thales is not even a ranked middleweight. He's someone the UFC threw in against Anderson because they are waiting for an actual competitor to come around, after the Bisping v. Henderson thing is all over, and Marquardt gets his shot. As for Anderson's fight against Leites, I have said it already, he is the champion, he only needs to do what is necessary to win, not go out and make himself susceptible to a lucky shot or go to the ground with Leites like everyone wanted. If you were Anderson and were facing a ground fighter, why go to the ground when you can outpoint your opponent standing up? The blame is on Joe Silva firstly for making the match up which should never have happened because he didn't even beat Marquardt and secondly Leites for not bringing it to Anderson.

[Fatum]

Anyone watch the post-fight conference? Liddell was sticking up for Silva, saying how's he supposed to fight when Leites keeps falling on his back. It's that sort of thing that makes me wish UFC had yellow cards like in Pride. To be honest, I was disappointed by Silva as well. I was screaming at him "kick the crap out of his legs" ala Sakuraba.

[Fatum]

Also, when the hell is Okami going to get his shot? He's been around since UFC 62...Liddell was fighting Babalu.
Sure, he isn't much of an exciting fighter...but still. Dude should get a shot. He's only been beaten by Franklin, and Franklin is second only to Anderson in the middleweight division.