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iZabuza Pokey Wasabi Doubt thou the stars are fire,
Doubt that the sun doth move;
Whee, first post in the Hockey Thread~ Hi guys. :3 I'm feeling adventurous tonight~!
I love Brodeur vs Roy debates~ <3
Roy and Brodeur are, although so close in career numbers, sooo different in every other aspect (style of play, team system/skill, time period, etc) that it is nearly impossible to compare the two. Why don't we wait until Brodeur retires? Anywhoo, it can be argued both ways.
I don't want my first post to turn into a rant/debate/etc, so I'll keep it short.
Yes, Brodeur has played on a great defensive minded team his whole career while Roy was carrying a crap team that had no place in the playoffs to his first two cups, and was still the best player on Colorado for his second two.
The trap has pretty much been dead since the rule changes that came after the lock out. Brodeur has continued his level of play even after, therefore contrary to popular belief his numbers aren't just a result of the Devils system.
Games played doesn't really carry much weight in an argument against, as it's CAREER best goaltending that is being compared. Yes, Sawchuk played less games to get to 103 shutouts than Brodeur did, but Roy only ever hit 66 shutouts in even more games played; Does that mean Sawchuk>Brodeur>Roy? Absolutely not. You cannot argue for games played because it is not a hockey related stat but a personal decision. Roy wanted to retire when he was 38, and Sawchuk died at age 40, therefore their games played were limited to that. If anything, games played would be in Brodeur's favor as he is still playing and beating the records of multiple goaltenders.
Yes, goaltenders of Sawchuck's era wore tiny little things for protection, while more recently pads are mainly used for stopping the puck and therefore huge. The argument here is again between Brodeur and Roy. Actually, I think Roy wore larger pads at the end of his career than the average size Brodeur has always worn. Roy is a butterfly style goaltender, and therefore used his pads to cover the entire bottom of the net. Brodeur, as a standing hybrid, wears some of the smallest pads in league today AND uses more skill and intelligence than is, and was, needed to play as butterfly.
My opinion? Roy is amazing, created the butterfly style and had perhaps the best goaltending career ever. BUT Brodeur doesn't butterfly. Roy was smart to play in this new frowned upon style to stop the puck efficiently and save energy, but that's not skill. Roy had skill, but the butterfly style today just means draft tall/large goaltenders and teach'em to go on their knees to take out the entire lower half of the goal, then inflate their shoulder pads and hope they have a fast glove/blocker to protect high. That's not skill, that's a bloody wall. Regardless of ability, Brodeur PLAYS better than Roy did. He doesn't believe in the butterfly and makes his saves because he can predict the upcoming play and get in the right place at the right time and at the right speed.
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Nabby was mentioned(♥).
Nabokov actually plays a positional hybrid style in a narrow butterfly stance because he is small and therefore cannot physically cover most of the net and has to rely on coming out aggressively and playing the angles. He wears small leg pads so he can move quickly and drop faster if needed, but seems to love his large chest pad for smaller rebounds. He used to butterfly more often, as his best asset is his lightning fast glove hand, but not so much recently after his recurring groin problems last year. As a result of this, he has been playing a more traditional stand up style instead (flopping about a la Hasek), and while it still works for the initial save, it often leaves him out of position and unable to recover quickly.
Yaay Nabby~
Doubt truth to be a liar,
But never doubt I love.
Boy, do you have a lot of hockey knowledge, I praise you lol. xp No, seriously. You pretty much just talked about what I was going to say. But what I can say about the Sawchuk/Brodeur/Roy debate is that Brodeur is a great stand-up goaltender where Roy was a butterfly goaltender and Sawchuk was...Well, I don't even know what kind of goaltender he is. sweatdrop And to play excellent as a stand-up goaltender, being quick on your skates, able to play the puck, and have old goalie chest protectors from the '90s makes Brodeur THE best goaltender to play the game EVER. He broke the record for the most wins last season, and broke two records this season for most shutouts and most regular season appearances. And at age 37, he's showing no signs of getting slower. And I can agree with the fact that he's been playing for the same team his whole career and that the Devils are a old-boring style trap defensive team, but that's what makes him so tough to beat. Why do you think the Devils are #1 in the league right now? And sorry for the scattered information. sweatdrop
Haha, everything that anyone has said is in her post(I`ve posted wit her in different threads before haha). If I ever need a short comparative essay, I`m so copy and pasting that xd
Very nicely said.
Except Brodeur and Roy did play in the same era. Pre-Roy retirement lol
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