Suicide cons>>>Advice and info needed please.

[EmotionallyInconsistent]

Rayne Nightrose

EmotionallyInconsistent

Pros
-None

Cons
-You die painfully or live AND become seriously injured in some way
-You die and there might be nothing after death, there might be a "hell" after death

There are pros. You will have no more earthly problems, and if you commit suicide there is no "or live". You're dead neutral

If you botch a suicide attempt you will be lying in a hospital bed suffering in some way. And your loved ones will be hurt too. neutral

[bawbow]

Jeorg

EmotionallyInconsistent

Well there you have it: if you can't live your life for the sake of others, no matter how miserable and stuff you are, you're selfish. neutral

But, by all accounts, everyone is selfish. To enable yourself to live your life fully, either in helping another or simply yourself, is indeed selfish.

[mrs_chester_bennington]

Shattered_Blood_Molecules

Jeorg

EmotionallyInconsistent

Well there you have it: if you can't live your life for the sake of others, no matter how miserable and stuff you are, you're selfish. neutral

But, by all accounts, everyone is selfish. To enable yourself to live your life fully, either in helping another or simply yourself, is indeed selfish.

May I suggest a quote?
"None of us goes around sobbing over the millions and billions of people who have died in the past . . . nor over those still living and yet to be born whose certain heritage is death (including Podkayne Fries herself.) So why should you cry foolish tears simply because you happen to be in the neighborhood when someone you don't like--despise, in fact--comes to the end of her string?"

Podkayne
Podkayne of Mars

The purpose of this quote is to illustrate that no one particularly cares if you 'reach the end of your string'. You will soon be forgotten. Why is it then selfish to commit suicide if it is your pathway to happiness? No one else will bother to care, so all that should matter to you is- you.

Your argument does not hold, miss.

In addition to my original post, neither does yours, Shattered_Blood_Molecules.

The death of someone can be SO traumatizing that it causes PTSD. My mom's mother died when she was 2 yrs old, and she is still scared of dying of mesothelioma because her mother died of mesothelioma.

I agree, killing yourself can be so much more emotionally traumatising to your family and people who know you than you'll ever realised - because, of course, you're depressed and that depression makes you think no one cares. That's not your fault, but people still care.

I disagree with the quotation, it makes it sound foolish to grieve for the death of someone you knew. Human emotions aren't rational, but they're still real.

And yes, everyone is selfish. Living is selfish, but suicide is a worse kind of selfish, because it actually hurts people.

[EmotionallyInconsistent]

mrs_chester_bennington

I agree, killing yourself can be so much more emotionally traumatising to your family and people who know you than you'll ever realised - because, of course, you're depressed and that depression makes you think no one cares. That's not your fault, but people still care.

I disagree with the quotation, it makes it sound foolish to grieve for the death of someone you knew. Human emotions aren't rational, but they're still real.

And yes, everyone is selfish. Living is selfish, but suicide is a worse kind of selfish, because it actually hurts people.

Suicidal people need HELP and they need to know that the reason they choose to live is for themselves--NOT that they're obligated to for others. neutral

[shadowkillua]

The cons are -
It doesnt always work and you could be drinking charcoal, and getting your stomache sucked the next morning.
Its the scariest thing I have ever been through was planning my own demise.
It puts ALOT of physical strain on your body sometimes and you may puke or have cramps for days like I did.

[MoogleXMutant]

My dad killed himself an hour before he retired from the Air Force. He was an undiagnosed schytophrenic(??) and had been suffering from active delusions for over 2 years. Having the disease causes irreversible braindamage.

He didn't leave a note- just an amendment to last will and testimony.

I would like to think he didn't kill himself out of depression- but that is exactly what happened. 6 months prior his boss of 5-years killed himself and my dad's exact words were "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." He was very upset

He never went to seek professional help- ironically he was convinced the psychologists were "in on it" His conspiracy that is- So he really had no other option than suicide, the pain was just to great.

The cons are obvious. Nobody wanted this but him- and I doubt he even wanted it.

EDIT: The pros- Military life insurance covers suicide- due to the fact that it is so common. Since he was still technically active duty my mom got an additional 100,000.

[kami two]

im not fat im fIuffy

Hello all. I am here to find out your opinions on suicide.
I am against suicide and I need to write a paper on suicide.
It is an argument position paper.

What are the cons of suicide?

And pros?

Why do people suicide? Why some couldn't?

im not giving up . that would be weak. its not like you lose something if youre waiting till the end. besides you never know whats going to be real in the future. its worth waiting.
and while waiting try to steer yourself a little to where you want to be. i understand that suicidal people might not have a destination,or power to steer at all.. but that is just a matter of recovering. In the end everything will be okay. so dont worry about a thing.
Its not like you MUST live or MUST do certain things, we tend to think we do. but in fact you do have the freedom to be alive and relax and doing nothing. you shouldnt expect to much of the living you. dont put pressure on it. if things are too difficult for you, just leave them and relax for yourself a little. cause youre almost dying from pressuring yourself. If other people are putting pressure on you you should be aware that this pressure is a perception of your own brains. you should be able to let it go and find peace think about yourself while youre alive.
dying doesnt solve the problem i think everyone would only be able to enjoy time when theyre alive.

[pashight]

Pros
-You won't feel anything bad anymore
-You don't have to worry for your future

Cons
-You won't feel anything good anymore
-Proves you're not strong enough to overcome your problems
-Your attempt could fail
-People who love you will hurt...a lot

Hm...seems like the cons list is longer than the pros list. I guess it all depends of the pros outweigh the cons for you. Plus, someone once said this quote I like: people commit suicide because their pain outweighs their coping resources.

[Leilah Eve]

Suicides are terrible things to live through. My father has attempted suicide twice, and the thing that I have learned from him in all these years is that people who are wired the way that he is (he so severely bipolar that he cannot work or hold any real relationships together) are not at aware of the world around them, in varying degrees. My father, when he goes into a depressive state, thinks only of the things that haunt him. He doesn't notice me or my mother or what we do for him. He focuses on hurting himself, and how hurting himself makes him guilty, and how he feels like a terrible person... NOT how we feel and how much we love him. This isn't a choice for him, it's just how his brain works. People like this who commit suicide are not selfish on purpose, they are selfish because they have to be, whether they are alive or dead.

[kami two]

pashight

-You won't feel anything bad anymore
-You don't have to worry for your future

Cons
-You won't feel anything good anymore
-Proves you're not strong enough to overcome your problems
-Your attempt could fail
-People who love you will hurt...a lot

Hm...seems like the cons list is longer than the pros list. I guess it all depends of the pros outweigh the cons for you. Plus, someone once said this quote I like: people commit suicide because their pain outweighs their coping resources.

It's not really that it means you're not strong enough. I think it is just the blindness of possibilities. one is so desperate that they only see this one option. but theyre just blind. they have to give themselves a chance to see another possibility. And it could be anything you like. These people are in need of something, but they don't know what themselves. so it doesn't mean they're weak they just have been beaten up pretty mad mentally.
but it is important to understand that there is a way to heal and become free and alive again. and that is what everyone including myself is thinking, highly recommended to any soul: first see, then discover, then choose the path of healing.

[pashight]

kami two

pashight

-You won't feel anything bad anymore
-You don't have to worry for your future

Cons
-You won't feel anything good anymore
-Proves you're not strong enough to overcome your problems
-Your attempt could fail
-People who love you will hurt...a lot

Hm...seems like the cons list is longer than the pros list. I guess it all depends of the pros outweigh the cons for you. Plus, someone once said this quote I like: people commit suicide because their pain outweighs their coping resources.

It's not really that it means you're not strong enough. I think it is just the blindness of possibilities. one is so desperate that they only see this one option. but theyre just blind. they have to give themselves a chance to see another possibility. And it could be anything you like. These people are in need of something, but they don't know what themselves. so it doesn't mean they're weak they just have been beaten up pretty mad mentally.
but it is important to understand that there is a way to heal and become free and alive again. and that is what everyone including myself is thinking, highly recommended to any soul: first see, then discover, then choose the path of healing.

Well, I like to see it as everyone has their own limit to what they can handle, and different people react differently to different situations. You could say they're blind, or their pain outweighs their coping resources, or they aren't strong enough to overcome their problems. I don't see the problem with thinking the third as long as you don't call a suicidal person weak to their face. And I don't think everyone can overcome their problems. I'm also not sure what the difference is between "seeing" and "discovering" in your advice.

[kami two]

pashight

kami two

pashight

-You won't feel anything bad anymore
-You don't have to worry for your future

Cons
-You won't feel anything good anymore
-Proves you're not strong enough to overcome your problems
-Your attempt could fail
-People who love you will hurt...a lot

Hm...seems like the cons list is longer than the pros list. I guess it all depends of the pros outweigh the cons for you. Plus, someone once said this quote I like: people commit suicide because their pain outweighs their coping resources.

It's not really that it means you're not strong enough. I think it is just the blindness of possibilities. one is so desperate that they only see this one option. but theyre just blind. they have to give themselves a chance to see another possibility. And it could be anything you like. These people are in need of something, but they don't know what themselves. so it doesn't mean they're weak they just have been beaten up pretty mad mentally.
but it is important to understand that there is a way to heal and become free and alive again. and that is what everyone including myself is thinking, highly recommended to any soul: first see, then discover, then choose the path of healing.

Well, I like to see it as everyone has their own limit to what they can handle, and different people react differently to different situations. You could say they're blind, or their pain outweighs their coping resources, or they aren't strong enough to overcome their problems. I don't see the problem with thinking the third as long as you don't call a suicidal person weak to their face. And I don't think everyone can overcome their problems. I'm also not sure what the difference is between "seeing" and "discovering" in your advice.

well first you have to see what you might like to do in your life, but that only counts after you realize that you would like it. Cause suicidal people have a habit on looking negatively at everything. so they have to discover that they like it. cause i imagine you might think a bit black and white and its not so easy to get out of there. If you still see some positive things in life, id focus on that. and dont worry and ******** all expectations for a while i hope youre gonna cheer up after a while. could take months or years relaxing for yourself.

[MoogleXMutant]

kami two

well first you have to see what you might like to do in your life, but that only counts after you realize that you would like it. Cause suicidal people have a habit on looking negatively at everything. so they have to discover that they like it. cause i imagine you might think a bit black and white and its not so easy to get out of there. If you still see some positive things in life, id focus on that. and dont worry and ******** all expectations for a while i hope youre gonna cheer up after a while. could take months or years relaxing for yourself.

There isn't always a path of 'healing'. You might say there are 'coping mechanisms' or 'redemption' to be sought- but unless your on some damn good drugs an individual can never overcome their problems 100%.

My dad killed himself- not even 10 hours after I got off the phone with him. He was mentally ill- and the 26 years of his life he dedicated to the military didn't help. Ironically he was considered to be one of those "natural-born leaders", very strong willed and level-headed. He was a chief- Master Sergeant- too high-ranking to go to war, so he volunteered. He wanted to be able to tell people "what it was like" in the dessert- because it was his job to give them the orders.

As I mentioned before- he didn't leave a note. He knew it was wrong. He was an overly empathetic person, and worried about every minute detail. For all we know he just wanted my mom to get the half-million dollars for security reasons.

Yes it dramatically effected our family, and it always will. But I find solace in knowing that he is at peace. He was writing letters on toilet paper- then flushing them so no-bad-person could know what he was saying. I've grown as a person- because of his death. Now I incorporate all of those qualities and values that I admired in my father- and applied them to me as a person.

You can't debate that suicide is always chosen as a self-righteous path, Because you absolutely cannot debate that life is not circumstantial; It is and always will be.

I agree that many suicides are unjustified- but that doesn't apply to all of them. You can't underestimate the complexities of life. If I ever got captured and tortured for public-safety/war information- I'd kill myself If I had the chance. I have no pain tolerance- and I would not enjoy my face being scraped off with mechanical sand-paper.

And as shitty as choosing suicide is- I'm sure to a great deal of people it is a considerable mistake. Like my sister-in-law, who drank a bottle of drain-O, she decided she didn't really want to die, so she had someone take her to the hospital. She's alive and kickin'.

[pashight]

kami two

pashight

Well, I like to see it as everyone has their own limit to what they can handle, and different people react differently to different situations. You could say they're blind, or their pain outweighs their coping resources, or they aren't strong enough to overcome their problems. I don't see the problem with thinking the third as long as you don't call a suicidal person weak to their face. And I don't think everyone can overcome their problems. I'm also not sure what the difference is between "seeing" and "discovering" in your advice.

well first you have to see what you might like to do in your life, but that only counts after you realize that you would like it. Cause suicidal people have a habit on looking negatively at everything. so they have to discover that they like it. cause i imagine you might think a bit black and white and its not so easy to get out of there. If you still see some positive things in life, id focus on that. and dont worry and ******** all expectations for a while i hope youre gonna cheer up after a while. could take months or years relaxing for yourself.

It's really, really hard to focus on the positives if you're suicidal... :/ I'd say you should point out the cons of suicide and focus on those, as well as see what you still want to do as you said, and not commit suicide yet. If you force yourself to keep yourself alive, chances are you might try to make your stay on earth more enjoyable by trying to get stronger than your emotional wounds. I think suicidal people should also realize they won't be feeling so bad if they get just a little bit stronger over their pain. Of course, it isn't always possible to overcome your pain.

[maydayp_p]

first lets just ignore the suicide aspect in regard to my lists (because most suicidal people won't think of it). so don't apply the effect of suicide to the reasoning's. suicide is not logical so you can't think completely logical
pros-
no one will ever hurt you again
you will no longer be in pain
you won't make any more mistakes
everyone will be happy, your no longer a problem
people will know something was wrong, they'll ask why
if there is a soul you learn who cares about you. (if you believe that souls linger)
you might fail.
you won't have to hide anymore
cons-
people will think you are weak
you'll never know what might come.